View Full Version : Who can beat them? Windy And Trapsin seems the best PvP'ers ever...
Hi all !
I need some advice. During PvP i see that this 2 build are killing all around without getting in trouble . It just seems unfair :( - druid has about 5-6k life, max block , teleporting and that annoying animals. Cyclon protecting from elemental attacks and animals keep away the meele characters .
Assas are not have even to get close to kill , teleporting like sorc and run like wind (BoS + enigma IS nice speed burst) and dealing HUGE damage have WEAPON block that can block anything and about 4- 4.5 k life ...
Someone please explain which char (and build) can handle that monsters. :scratch:
Tnx to all.
Nal.
semisonic9
02-02-2005, 23:01
WW-sin will handle the trapper, as well as a kicker unless they get lucky once and then TG/NK for awhile, but can always leave game and come back. Also, I have a pretty uber-trapper, when they do that I just come back and teach em a lesson. A kicker also does well against them, maxed res, WB, MB, and a little absorb and tele go a long way.
For wind druids....hmmm, tricky duels. Poison's usually the way to go there, also a good boner with good fcr can spreadshot teeth, dispatch all minions and the oak in 1-2 blasts, then spam BS. MS bowazons are becoming increasingly difficult with the adcvent of better bows, they're valks make tough summons and MS+Guided arrow are dangerous, IMHO.
Phyrexial
02-02-2005, 23:03
- Trappers can be easily dealt with via absorb and max res. Tgods alone generally makes them fairly easy. Tgods + Wisps makes them really easy. However, if you don't want to absorb them or use +max res, then consider duelers that aren't affected by the most powerful part of trappers, MindBlast. This means using chargers or more likely, WW chars like Ghost WW sins and BvC WW barbs. With fast tele and some practice, both will kill trappers fairly easily. As a necro, I just play ranged and spam ibs at them if they are going to cry and complain about me using Tgods.
- Windies oddly enough are beaten by trappers. You might think that Cyclone armor would protect them, but that is only for a short time/couple hits. Windies generally have horrible fhr and thus are easy prey for a trapper that Mindblast/trap locks.
Well played WW sins and WW barbs do the trick also. WW sins using trap locks to lock them down and WW barbs using Leap to stun.
Necros can beat bad to mediocre Windies pretty easily too simply by teeth stunning them or teeth stun/spear. Really good ones can be a problem though and it is up for debate whether necros or windies are better at the best levels of play.
I believe psn nova necs might be able to beat Windies as well since psn nova ignores their minion stack and will drop pretty much anyone to 1 hp in seconds.
Lastly, if you are skilled at teleporting then a fball sorc can generally handle Windies as well from what I am told. Better range, faster, and Fball's splash damage owns their minion stacking.
Jinslave
02-02-2005, 23:18
bowazon>>trapper.
'22'Souljah
03-02-2005, 00:02
for fighting wind druids trapsins and ghosts are very good vs them
for trappers usually anything that is quick and can outrange them will do well examples are fb sorc, necro, etc
like phyrexial said WW chars work too
ps: don't forget the fhr vs trappers
ww barb / sin beat windies and trappers easy
Speederländer
03-02-2005, 00:52
bowazon>>trapper.
That's because trappers these days seem to have lost their skill compared to 1.09 versions. In 1.09, zons had ZERO chance vs. a good trapper. Now, trappers seem to find skill in hiding in their trap fields. It's sad really.
Speederländer
03-02-2005, 00:54
A good kicker should take down an equally equiped and played windy.
Trappers are as hard for kickers as they are for anyone else, depending on overall trap damage and the amount of absorb you are able/willing to wear. I assume you have max res or better as having less than 75% is simply a no-go for winning unless you have insane life and very good fhr.
Mr_knightboy
03-02-2005, 01:30
A good kicker should take down an equally equiped and played windy.
Trappers are as hard for kickers as they are for anyone else, depending on overall trap damage and the amount of absorb you are able/willing to wear. I assume you have max res or better as having less than 75% is simply a no-go for winning unless you have insane life and very good fhr.
how about bow sorce they do good dmg and all
last i read form in b-net this guy made zeal sorce that do 100k so i think bow sorce can do about 60k to ga if they were build right
how about bow sorce they do good dmg and all
last i read form in b-net this guy made zeal sorce that do 100k so i think bow sorce can do about 60k to ga if they were build right
O.o I'd like to see that.
qazxswcde
03-02-2005, 02:22
windy
well assuming the windy not usin 20 hp sc which they never are my hammerdin has no problem at all killing em there tornados are posibble easier to dodge then ww
trapsins
are annyoing killl once and nk or better yet dont let leave town
Phyrexial
03-02-2005, 02:44
how about bow sorce they do good dmg and all
last i read form in b-net this guy made zeal sorce that do 100k so i think bow sorce can do about 60k to ga if they were build right
This has already been covered. Read this:
http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=296154
The numbers are impressive but it has plenty of weaknesses. It shoots slow and/or teles slow and thus makes easy prey for most people that can tele decently. Max block will also make this matchup considerably easier. A zealer variant of this would probably have some serious problems with AR and attack speed as well as simply catching the opponent.
windy
well assuming the windy not usin 20 hp sc which they never are my hammerdin has no problem at all killing em there tornados are posibble easier to dodge then ww
trapsins
are annyoing killl once and nk or better yet dont let leave town
Hammerdins can go pretty decently with Windies, but if the Windy keeps those wolf summons up they can get an edge. Windies generally have more life too so that also helps to even it up. It will probably simply come down to whoever tries to namelock tele the other first.
About trapsins, try not to give useless advice. I find Hammerdins annoying, so perhaps I should kill them once and nk them too? If everyone followed the rule of "if it's annoying, nk it" then 99% of bnet would just nk everyone the second they could. We are helping the thread poster try to defeat trappers, not be a little immature child about it to stroke their ego.
Speederländer
03-02-2005, 03:21
how about bow sorce they do good dmg and all
last i read form in b-net this guy made zeal sorce that do 100k so i think bow sorce can do about 60k to ga if they were build right
Funny thing is, I think I saw that zeal sorc, or at least one like her. Yeah, the damage was crazy, but my primary kicker had 3900 life, max res, 63% block, 7/3 kicks, and good FHR. This combined with a WoF/MB stun job and she really had little chance.
It was still a cool build though. I complemented her for the originality.
Bow sorcs are without block. If you tele correctly, the sorc will be dead before you are hit by a guided arrow.
If everyone followed the rule of "if it's annoying, nk it" then 99% of bnet would just nk everyone the second they could.
You mean they don't?
Speederländer
03-02-2005, 03:26
You mean they don't?
Not really. I see NKing a lot, but it rarely dominates the game. Mostly jerks will NK, be NKed, and then leave the game. It doesn't happen as often as people are led to believe.
Boners or 125 fcr hammers can easily own a trapper. Windys are a lil harder. Boners is ur best bet. Also a FOH is good against a trapper. Just get absorb against those trappers and you'll be fine.
Speederländer
03-02-2005, 03:42
Also a FOH is good against a trapper. Just get absorb against those trappers and you'll be fine.
Absorb and stacking by the trapper can nullify that FoH as well.
Yes. However, I've never seen a trapper even bother negating Foh. It's must easier on a Paly shield with 4 Ort runes/Ptopazs with 40+ resists all along with absorbing gear.
wolf druid > elemental druid
I don't see how a wolf druid beats a windy.
@ tor:
rauth reallllllllllllly wants to duel your wolf after reading your posts claiming this :)
add rauthgar2 to your list if its not full and give him a shot.. just a forwarning.. he doesnt play like most public dueling windies.... hes actually a good windy :P
Speederländer
03-02-2005, 04:37
Yes. However, I've never seen a trapper even bother negating Foh. It's must easier on a Paly shield with 4 Ort runes/Ptopazs with 40+ resists all along with absorbing gear.
Since stacking doesn't matter vs. traps (i.e. no lower res from facets, etc.), just max res and absorb, why the shield? A pally should be able to get max res w/o dumping their shield...
Speederländer
03-02-2005, 04:39
No one will get the joke so I removed it.
FoBBy(OD)
03-02-2005, 08:16
good nec can beat any1.
for vs druid, walk down + spam teeth, when theyr summons die, namelock + chase with spear. if they jump u, nl spear ownz em.
for trappers, stay outa their screen, shoot spirits + tele back full screens.
Speederländer
03-02-2005, 08:27
good nec can beat any1.
The important thing is HOW OFTEN can the good nec beat a good representative of another class. A good nec should be able to beat anyone in the game at least ONE time, thus proving your statement always true but unhelpful due to lack of real information.
Speederländer
03-02-2005, 08:27
for vs druid, walk down + spam teeth, when theyr summons die....
They'll recast the summons.
Sir_lancelot
03-02-2005, 08:30
Heh, a good vindicator/templar will take down both windies and trappers as well.
Heh, a good vindicator/templar will take down both windies and trappers as well.
No chance in hell of a "good" v/t beating a "good" wind druid consistently. Smite/charge requires close range at the point of striking, all v/t attacks are rendered near useless by minion stacking alone, not to mention recastable cyclone armour.
The only way a v/t MIGHT win the odd duel is if they quickly cast life tap via exile/dracul's & smite on the druid and his minions, AND the druid sits around long enough to unstack wolves and let the smiter use them as full rejuv pots. But then again a "good" wind druid won't do that either.
If you still disagree, msg me on AIM (mcm375416) w/ your USWest NL V/T and I'll find a wind druid for you to duel and prove me wrong.
Sir_lancelot
03-02-2005, 20:28
No chance in hell of a "good" v/t beating a "good" wind druid consistently. Smite/charge requires close range at the point of striking, all v/t attacks are rendered near useless by minion stacking alone, not to mention recastable cyclone armour.
The only way a v/t MIGHT win the odd duel is if they quickly cast life tap via exile/dracul's & smite on the druid and his minions, AND the druid sits around long enough to unstack wolves and let the smiter use them as full rejuv pots. But then again a "good" wind druid won't do that either.
If you still disagree, msg me on AIM (mcm375416) w/ your USWest NL V/T and I'll find a wind druid for you to duel and prove me wrong.
Well, i beat Russ with my v/t. Untill he got smart and used the puddles to keep me from charging.. Could've been ping related as well though, since he's on modem.. then again, im connecting from norway, so my ping is bad as well.
I'm not saying a v/t is superior to windies, but i rarely lost continously to them.
As for the duel, i doubt ill be of much use since ive stopped playing. Actually deleted the game as well, after 4 years of addiction..
But you could ask Rauthgar2? we had some very good duels :)
I rarely use aim, but ill add you and contact you if i see you online. Would like to be given a chance to prove that a v/t has a chance vs druids. Just need to borrow a lod cd from a mate first, so can install the game again. (mine's actually toast.. killed by usage i think, the cd looks like a battlefield, heh)
Jinslave
03-02-2005, 22:14
how about bow sorce they do good dmg and all
last i read form in b-net this guy made zeal sorce that do 100k so i think bow sorce can do about 60k to ga if they were build right
this isnt really true. the maximum and resonable damage that i've heard a ga sorc do is 15k. Don't trust every1, and dont believe everything players claim. I heard about smiters in NL with 7k smite and bowzons with 16k Phys dmg. GL
A liberator would work good, hammers can take out a windy pretty good and you can charge most sins since they use dual claws their blocking is pretty bad. Just wear a tgods and you will be fine.
CookiesnCream
04-02-2005, 07:12
Really good ones can be a problem though and it is up for debate whether necros or windies are better at the best levels of play.
lol this reminds me of the fenris vs raider duel.
If you're facing a trap assasin that towngaurds, then just absorb then because you won't have much of a chance with their massive damage traps. If you want to face them in a fair fight, then BvC chars or WW sins are your best bet. I've heard hammerdins do well against windies, just make sure you have a lot of fcr.
trappers are cannon fodder, just stand and get heal by their traps.
Phyrexial
04-02-2005, 07:51
trappers are cannon fodder, just stand and get heal by their traps.
If they are being BM, I've got no qualms with you negating them. Otherwise, they are just as legit a dueler as anyone so don't be lame. I'll laugh a great deal though if you fight someone like Aschuta who firebombs you to oblivion when you negate the traps.
I dislike trappers as much as the next person, but negating a legitimate dueler is just lame. Reducing the damage is fine, but outright negating is lame without provocation.
Heh, a good vindicator/templar will take down both windies and trappers as well.
Ehmmmm ... About a V/T ... i have one lvl 88 and ... with this v/t i have alot of trouble with this two chars ... I usually kill everything else , sometimes trappers , that not tele too much or not MB namelocking , but those windys are really terrible ! :(
If you know the way for a v/t defeat those 2 - just tell me plz , concidering i can get ANY gear in the game.
Tnx to all for ideas !
And one more thing : what about bowzons ? Is Multishot better than teeth ? and GA better than Spirit ? (ama almost like a nec playing style ) What do you think ? Any suggestions are wellcome !
Nal.
P.S. I sorry for my bad English :(
derekdoo
04-02-2005, 11:03
skilled zon can kill both
If they are being BM, I've got no qualms with you negating them. Otherwise, they are just as legit a dueler as anyone so don't be lame. I'll laugh a great deal though if you fight someone like Aschuta who firebombs you to oblivion when you negate the traps.
I dislike trappers as much as the next person, but negating a legitimate dueler is just lame. Reducing the damage is fine, but outright negating is lame without provocation.
i would laugh my *** of to =)
but those who make a trapper are generally lame ppl, mb left to right, town runners, town killers, and so on, NOT EVERYONE but lets say 5 out of 9 on bnet trappers behave like this, ppl on these forums are more pvp friendly.
befkonijn
04-02-2005, 14:32
killed lots of traps with my shaper (rabie fireclaw thing)
or they have to run town because of rabbies or they die by fire claw..
windy's always seem to get to me...
grtz
i dont find any difficulties with windy and trapsin with my rabies/fury....juss bite one of the minions or shadow then watch them die in the corner.....most of them dont know how they die....lol
Dutchgrass
04-02-2005, 18:11
i dont find any difficulties with windy and trapsin with my rabies/fury....juss bite one of the minions or shadow then watch them die in the corner.....most of them dont know how they die....lol
Well, I could imagine you biting a windy's minion if he's not paying attention... But I don't see any possible reason for a trapper to come close enough for you to bite them, perhaps if the shadow strays a bit... But then a single tele would return the shadow back on top of the sin.
Point is that a teleporting character should theoretically never have to die to a shapeshifting druid.
Well, I could imagine you biting a windy's minion if he's not paying attention... But I don't see any possible reason for a trapper to come close enough for you to bite them, perhaps if the shadow strays a bit... But then a single tele would return the shadow back on top of the sin.
Point is that a teleporting character should theoretically never have to die to a shapeshifting druid.
umm....teleporting char is hard......i need good f/r to catch them....although i think windies and trappers are pretty easy with my druid.......
to me, fire sorc=impossible to beat
Bakerking31
05-02-2005, 03:34
i dont think anyone has mentioned a fb sorc for windys ... with decent fcr and good gear, a skilled fb sorc owns almost all druids. I have played against dozens of good druids, most with the best gear runes can buy, some with the fastest fhr bp, and i have only lost to 1 windy consistantly (which still pisses me off cause the guy is a dick).
for trappers, get a merc, put a faith and fort on her ... gg ... jus tele around get the trapper to come out a little and tele faster than the traps are shootin ur merc will take care of her, most trappers suck thats why there trappers so 1-2 arrows will kill em.
for trappers, get a merc, put a faith and fort on her ... gg ... jus tele around get the trapper to come out a little and tele faster than the traps are shootin ur merc will take care of her, most trappers suck thats why there trappers so 1-2 arrows will kill em.
2 things about it :
1. I am non - ladder (too bad for me)
2. Using merc in PvP ... It little bit expencive , since they die fast and rasurrection is about 50k ... It seems kinda lame using merc , like u duel in party vs single char .
But tnx for advice :) I'll make a fire sorc (I have blizz one but dont like it too much ) .
About the Zons - someone can help me with choosing build/equip/stratagies ?
Someone who have exreme killing machine with bow ?
To pick the Enigma or no? Wich bow ? Multi Arrow Or Guided Arrow ? Charms ?
(VS traps and windys only !!!)
If there are ppl who know how to kill with zon i'd like to read some suggestions.
Tnx to all!
Nal.
Preppytoad
05-02-2005, 20:48
I have a lvl 86 hammerdin with nigma cta hoto and hoz. I also have maras ammy soj and bk. I am hitting at 12k per hammer. I have faced both of them and wasted them. Just tele right up to them and let a hammer fly and its over.
I have a lvl 86 hammerdin with nigma cta hoto and hoz. I also have maras ammy soj and bk. I am hitting at 12k per hammer. I have faced both of them and wasted them. Just tele right up to them and let a hammer fly and its over.
hammer are scary too.....if i(druid) bite him first i could win by forest gump tactic..other then that 1 2 hit im dead
TheGreatDivorce
05-02-2005, 21:56
Teleporting Hammerdins' can't beat good Windies, Charging Hammerdins' however have a better chance.
WW Sins'/Barbs' and Trappers' are usually there biggest foe.
'22'Souljah
06-02-2005, 09:24
I have a lvl 86 hammerdin with nigma cta hoto and hoz. I also have maras ammy soj and bk. I am hitting at 12k per hammer. I have faced both of them and wasted them. Just tele right up to them and let a hammer fly and its over.
what happens if the sin uses mind blast and has weapon block?
GhOsTofKoDa
06-02-2005, 11:20
what type of wind druid dies to a hammerdin besides randomly walking into hammers?
The only excuse to dying to a hammerdin on a wind druid is carelessness.
Desync hammerdins can win a few vs a good druid, its hard to hit/avoid what you cant see.
Inuyasha
07-02-2005, 03:18
Desync hammerdins can win a few vs a good druid, its hard to hit/avoid what you cant see.
Even then they have minion stack, and unlike necromancers, their minion stack is completely renewable as well. It doesn't matter how many times they get hit singly, so long as they get a chance to recast a wolf/bear.
pikablue
07-02-2005, 05:49
chars that doesnt get stun have a good chance vs trapsin, like amazon barb wwsin and charger paladin
chars that can kill wind druid easily are fire sorc(meteor), wwbarb, wwsin,
True that summon stack will help them take alot of hits, but if they tele into a field of inv, those minions are all 1 hit kill, once oak is gone the druid can be 1-2 hit kill as well.
Also when the druid recasts, the pally can play slightly offensive and keep the druid on the move.
Of course, in a series a windy should always come out on top, but desync hammers can actually win a couple compared to tele ones.
Arctickhan
14-02-2005, 14:38
That's because trappers these days seem to have lost their skill compared to 1.09 versions. In 1.09, zons had ZERO chance vs. a good trapper. Now, trappers seem to find skill in hiding in their trap fields. It's sad really.
Well...How about Strafe or a dodger grll like; evade,guided?and Fanatic Chargers can bend them down easily!Dragon Flight you ask?Yehaw!No matter for a good timed charge(tried just make a counter attack!)!
With my hammerdin I beat most of windies, just swift charge and spam hammers, most of them desync. Ofc is the windy go and hides in a house, I cant beat him, but then there is no real duel. Hammerdin vs trapers, just stack resist, thundersgod and charge / smite them, they die prety fast (I use beast for charge/smite, so I can combine it with salvation and still smite/cherge with a decent damge/speed)
With my kicker I take down 99% of trapper, she has high fhr, stacked resist and with thunders, there is no problem (my shadow is lvl 26 so he deals good damge too). Windies are hard or close to imposible with kicker, only if I manage to stund lock them i can have a chance.
But my hybrid amazon works grat vs both builds: Windies, while runing away I throw a couple of LF backwards (dru always chase you, when he doiesnt, I use multi), as I see the second shoot targets, his minions and oak are gone, fast swich to bow and most of times they cant even tele away due to his bad fhr, they die. Vs trappers bow is an advantage, only if they are good you need more timing, though just combining multi and guided is 90% success.
Well...How about Strafe or a dodger grll like; evade,guided?and Fanatic Chargers can bend them down easily!Dragon Flight you ask?Yehaw!No matter for a good timed charge(tried just make a counter attack!)!
Isn't one of the rules worded such that posts must be in ENGLISH???!??
DrunkCajun
14-02-2005, 23:41
I haven't seen it mentioned, so I'm curious if its a fluke (or just a really rare build), but I absolutely destroyed a Windy today with my Wolfbarb. Namelocked him and had him down in 3 hits. He took a chunk outta my life, but wasn't much trouble.
Perhaps he wasn't a good Windy. I don't duel much and the Wolfbarb is my only PvP char.
probably that windy suxed, i dont see any way for a wolf barb or druid to stand up to a half decent windy.
Arctickhan
15-02-2005, 15:31
Isn't one of the rules worded such that posts must be in ENGLISH???!??
First question;Don't you like my language?
Why?There are many "unsp(e)akable" guys or girls(grllz) at here...
second question;Don't you like my IDEA?
Are you understand my idea?Understand?No problem.I guess...
:)
Ok, ill say it one last time, your builds do not work. No if's and but's, they don't work period.
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still dont work and probably never will.
why don't you read the build guides this forum has? there are alot of builds that actually work. the problem with ur builds is that just about every major build will kill all of yours. read a few guides, make a few builds then come back with a new build instead of posting useless info that pisses most people off.
the end.
(your builds still dont work btw)
Inuyasha
15-02-2005, 21:32
Please, everybody, for the sake of these forums just ignore artickahn. Everybody already knows that he's a shameless asshole because of the many propoganda threads he made and his inability to speak english, and his obvious lack of intelligence. There's no reason to continue debating with him. I know you won, everone else knows you won, the only problem is that he's far below the neccesary IQ to realize that he's been thoroughly trampled.
I just figure he's like a goldfish, something to be left alone on it's own sad stupidity, rather than trying to help it out so that it might someday learn how to float AND breath at the same time. There's no way to help the fish, and there's no way to help this modern unaware retard.
Note to the mods: I have been quite restrained on the matter of this member for quite some time, but I believe that it has gone on long enough. I do believe that what is said in this post is offensive, and I do expect a punishment. I expect to be banned, but I expect the same for him as well. I've grown to the point where I'd rather just have us both removed, than put up with his garbage any longer.
With my respect,
-Daman
Please, everybody, for the sake of these forums just ignore artickahn. Everybody already knows that he's a shameless asshole because of the many propoganda threads he made and his inability to speak english, and his obvious lack of intelligence. There's no reason to continue debating with him. I know you won, everone else knows you won, the only problem is that he's far below the neccesary IQ to realize that he's been thoroughly trampled.
I just figure he's like a goldfish, something to be left alone on it's own sad stupidity, rather than trying to help it out so that it might someday learn how to float AND breath at the same time. There's no way to help the fish, and there's no way to help this modern unaware retard.
Note to the mods: I have been quite restrained on the matter of this member for quite some time, but I believe that it has gone on long enough. I do believe that what is said in this post is offensive, and I do expect a punishment. I expect to be banned, but I expect the same for him as well. I've grown to the point where I'd rather just have us both removed, than put up with his garbage any longer.
With my respect,
-Daman
Oh you bet you will be banned., 7 days should be enough. You have the option to ignore his posts or simply not read them. But you choose this route.
Isn't one of the rules worded such that posts must be in ENGLISH???!??
Do not forget, there is about as many Europeans using this site as Americans. For most of them, English is a second language. My second language is French. I wish I could write and speak Fench as well as many of the Europeans here can do English. Once have have done a second or third language, then you may complain. Still not going to do you any good here.
If you do not want to read his posts. Simply ignore them. You can add him to your ignore list as well.
skilledlord
16-02-2005, 06:16
Since I like ww barbs so much, I'll still say a good one can beat any of those. However take advantage of the druid's short range. Use a bone necro.
Arctickhan
16-02-2005, 12:22
Ok, ill say it one last time, your builds do not work. No if's and but's, they don't work period.
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still dont work and probably never will.
why don't you read the build guides this forum has? there are alot of builds that actually work. the problem with ur builds is that just about every major build will kill all of yours. read a few guides, make a few builds then come back with a new build instead of posting useless info that pisses most people off.
the end.
(your builds still dont work btw)
-Pardon is it aimed at me?Evade,Guided Arrow,Avoid and Dodge is YOUR idea or build anybody can check it easily from your previous posts and my poison zon can take it easily(remember the 29k-31k poison damage please and don't say again "this build can be easily reaches 100k damage as well..." I don't understand wat the heck are you sayin'!You can't get this damage with any gear!!!!as Phyrexial said before max 63k(tragically he's tryin' to pissed off on me selfishly not on you... :) )...if its about tat dragon flight-charge thing you can test it in the PvM too just when an act 5 minion tryin' to teleportin' charge on it if you timed well charge changes the direction to the new coords of teleported target...(and what is the "..."?Is that means "wait a minute I'll try it on b.net..."?).If you're not understandin' please just "ignore me".Ok?Just shut the door while you leavin'...*slam!*
-Inuyusha you're not leavin' with a honor that's pride...You're not the "daysaver"...and so ironic I always figure you as a nice guy...If there's a ban I'll agree ,No chance :) *ahchoo!*.
Arctickhan
16-02-2005, 14:40
And I want a little add;Fanatic charger uses(ZepH's rager zakarum;Vengeance,Smite,Charge,Fanaticism,Holy Shield)Go ahead and check it from my posts...Is it useless?4k-12k damage is not important?
Dutchgrass
16-02-2005, 14:42
I should know better than to get into this again, but I’m going to anyway. This post will in no way contribute to the original discussion, for which I apologise.
I think you were thought I referred again not 244-1065.I said 244k-1065k physical damage from normal attack.This char have ~32 editted small charm on inventory so wand gives that damn damage...1065k tat means 1 million maximum dmg.(1 hit kills baal or something...)and with 31k life 1 hit kills you while IMed too(sometimes stuck while died because of editted items)
Arctikhan, in this quote taken from your “Iron Maiden Bug...” thread in the Bugs & Suggestions forum you already admit using an editor. You speak of having 31k life and doing a million damage with edited charms. Hence, all your “arguments” regarding IM, stamina potions, pvpbuilds and whatnot are completely invalid and utterly pointless. I could edit a Holy Fire paladin to do 1 million damage too. Does that make it a good dueler? No, since all posts on these forums concern a NON-edited Diablo 2.
Please feel free to continue posting about an edited D2. After all, it remains an open forum. Just don’t act so surprised or insulted because people on this forum contradict, ridicule or flame you. Your bad English isn’t the reason for that, as you obviously can’t seem to help that. It’s the total nonsense you spew regarding the game that causes people to react this way. On the other hand, my native tongue isn’t English either, but I try to make my posts comprehensible.
You claimed you’ll be playing Bnet D2 in the summer if possible. Boy, are you in for a surprise... Try your builds vs any random dueler. You’d give the people that still play D2 a good laugh.
As for myself, I’ve caught the WoW bug (European release was on the 11th). I’ll keep my duelers from expiring just in case I feel the urge to have a quick duel, but I seriously doubt I will ever play my precious D2 again. It’s hard to say goodbye to a game that has entertained me for 4 years. Good times were had, now it’s time to move on.
I guess this serves as my official ‘Farewell D2’ post. Sigh... :(
Arctickhan
16-02-2005, 14:51
I should know better than to get into this again, but I’m going to anyway. This post will in no way contribute to the original discussion, for which I apologise.
Arctikhan, in this quote taken from your “Iron Maiden Bug...” thread in the Bugs & Suggestions forum you already admit using an editor. You speak of having 31k life and doing a million damage with edited charms. Hence, all your “arguments” regarding IM, stamina potions, pvpbuilds and whatnot are completely invalid and utterly pointless. I could edit a Holy Fire paladin to do 1 million damage too. Does that make it a good dueler? No, since all posts on these forums concern a NON-edited Diablo 2.
Please feel free to continue posting about an edited D2. After all, it remains an open forum. Just don’t act so surprised or insulted because people on this forum contradict, ridicule or flame you. Your bad English isn’t the reason for that, as you obviously can’t seem to help that. It’s the total nonsense you spew regarding the game that causes people to react this way. On the other hand, my native tongue isn’t English either, but I try to make my posts comprehensible.
You claimed you’ll be playing Bnet D2 in the summer if possible. Boy, are you in for a surprise... Try your builds vs any random dueler. You’d give the people that still play D2 a good laugh.
As for myself, I’ve caught the WoW bug (European release was on the 11th). I’ll keep my duelers from expiring just in case I feel the urge to have a quick duel, but I seriously doubt I will ever play my precious D2 again. It’s hard to say goodbye to a game that has entertained me for 4 years. Good times were had, now it’s time to move on.
I guess this serves as my official ‘Farewell D2’ post. Sigh... :(
Ok.You're right.Ban me out now.But please shut up...
Dutchgrass
16-02-2005, 15:23
I posted a perfectly polite reply, did not flame you or imply you should be banned. Others before me have reacted in a much cruder way.
You raved about people not reading your posts properly, but you refrain to do so yourself.
There was need to become upset. Although I can imagine it’s frustrating to be contradicted after every single post you make. I guess your persistence is admirable... Or am I confusing persistence with something else?
If you do not want to read his posts. Simply ignore them. You can add him to your ignore list as well.
Good advice. I shall do so as well.
Black_Rose
16-02-2005, 16:53
@ Arctickhan: Poison Amazons can reach more than 100k damage with their gear, though it is not a very good choice as they lack pretty much everything else then. Wear Bramble, shako faceted 5/5 poison, +3java amulet, 2sojs, arach, titans, spirit or monarch faceted 4x 5/5 poison and +3java gloves plus anni and ten skillers. Even without the top gear its not that hard to go over 20k.
Ok.You're right.Ban me out now.But please shut up...
Now, several times I have defeneded you against people and that is how you reply?
5 day ban.
G0su_Hellbolt
16-02-2005, 18:34
This, uh, arctickhan guy. After reading, and a bit of posting, in his threads and where he has posted, I request that he be banned permanently.
Now, ON topic- Windies are good. Trappers are good. There is no doubt about that. But ofc we all know that each and every build has its weakness, and to beat a certain build there is no way apart from exploiting these weaknesses.
I see that you guys have posted what each of you think the weaknesses are. These are all viable, and will work. Equally, the windy or trapper said build was built to combat- they have a good chance too. I say that every build in the game can be overcome with dedication, experience, skill, and a pair of good hands for flipping skills :D
My 2 cents.
*Gosu-Hellbolt
This, uh, arctickhan guy. After reading, and a bit of posting, in his threads and where he has posted, I request that he be banned permanently.
What if people said the same about you? Do you expect me to ban you or him jsut because someone requests it?
No, I do not read every thread much less every post in this forum or site. If you have seen something that I have not, feel free to report it. Other than that, I have no reason to ban him.
Last, careful how you say things like that in a public thread. I could and others may take it as flaming. Better off sending it to me via email or PM.
DragonKnight_Aka
16-02-2005, 18:53
maybe people should quit answering theses posts like
WHAT IS THE BEST DUELING CHAR ??
WHAT IS THE BEST CHAR BEATING A NERCO , SORC , BARB AND WWSin
WHAT IS THE BEST CHAR BEATING A TRAPSIn , hammerin, V/t Pally , Wind druid ,Trapsin And SUmmoing nerco
I think it gets annoying after a while. Summoing nercos are only good cuz of the tele stack summon bug. Their really is no best dueling char. Maybe we should post up tactics against these chars ?? besides argueing over who the best char ( their is none )
G0su_Hellbolt
16-02-2005, 19:03
What if people said the same about you? Do you expect me to ban you or him jsut because someone requests it?
No, I do not read every thread much less every post in this forum or site. If you have seen something that I have not, feel free to report it. Other than that, I have no reason to ban him.
Last, careful how you say things like that in a public thread. I could and others may take it as flaming. Better off sending it to me via email or PM.
oo...ok, firstly, sorry if I have offended you, I obviously did not mean it and I did not mean any offence to arctickhan, I only requested the ban so that he and others could avoid flaming each other, leading to a complete banning of many people. I thought "Heck, lets avoid this by doing this-and-that" and so I gave in my request.
I am not saying that you MUST or NEED to ban him, I'm just saying that the mood in these forums could be a little better off without him. With his first few posts many people got angry and I am trying (now) to stop a flame war coming on. If someone said so-and-so about me, ofc I would get angry, yet I would tolerate it...to a point :rolleyes:
*Gosu-Hellbolt
maybe people should quit answering theses posts like
WHAT IS THE BEST DUELING CHAR ??
WHAT IS THE BEST CHAR BEATING A NERCO , SORC , BARB AND WWSin
WHAT IS THE BEST CHAR BEATING A TRAPSIn , hammerin, V/t Pally , Wind druid ,Trapsin And SUmmoing nerco
I think it gets annoying after a while. Summoing nercos are only good cuz of the tele stack summon bug. Their really is no best dueling char. Maybe we should post up tactics against these chars ?? besides argueing over who the best char ( their is none )
I have said this many times now. DON'T READ THEM THEN. THAT IS WHAT THIS FORUM IS FOR. It is a PvP forum for people to ask anything pvp related. Everyone one of you made the choice to read the thread or not. If you see one of them threads, ignore it. It is that simple and we would not have this discussion again. Do not try to tell me I am wrong because I am right. The only way I am wrong is if someone is over powering you and holding your head in place and eyes open forcing you to read the thread. Can anyone of you say that?
DragonKnight_Aka
16-02-2005, 22:25
I have said this many times now. DON'T READ THEM THEN. THAT IS WHAT THIS FORUM IS FOR. It is a PvP forum for people to ask anything pvp related. Everyone one of you made the choice to read the thread or not. If you see one of them threads, ignore it. It is that simple and we would not have this discussion again. Do not try to tell me I am wrong because I am right. The only way I am wrong is if someone is over powering you and holding your head in place and eyes open forcing you to read the thread. Can anyone of you say that?
:eek: Look man I'm not trying to offened u or say ur wrong I was justing giving my opinion ... If I was stupid enough to prove u wrong then I would be ban already..
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:eek: Look man I'm not trying to offened u or say ur wrong I was justing giving my opinion ... If I was stupid enough to prove u wrong then I would be ban already..
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If you can ever prove me wrong on anything, please do. When I am found to be wrong and it has happened many times before, I will admit it.
a[z]n FrIeND
16-02-2005, 23:30
for fighting wind druids trapsins and ghosts are very good vs them
for trappers usually anything that is quick and can outrange them will do well examples are fb sorc, necro, etc
like phyrexial said WW chars work too
ps: don't forget the fhr vs trappers
too bad these forums dont allow ghost asns heh
Kirby Hunter
17-02-2005, 02:39
n FrIeND']too bad these forums dont allow ghost asns heh
who cares
alter it
change .08 valk to griffons
Duped boots to waterwalks/whatever ^^
who said ghost sins arent allowed in the forums? kodas guide got screwed simply because his guide promoted nking and use of dupes/hacked items. :P
i can honestly say i have a ghost sin that i am very happy with. kills trappers and windies with ease.
yeah, no build is not "allowed" here.
as long as it follows the rules, which i dont see how any build could (since the rule is more oriented on "how to hax"/trading rather than using the actual items)
ghost sins are a good build though.
I'd only rank them behind a ww barb and desyn (godly geared) hammerdin.
yadayada
20-02-2005, 05:19
the chars with the easiest times against a windy from my experience are the ww sins and ww barbs. ww sins have claw block to block tornado that works even while in ww animation and minion stacking has never been a prob from ww as long as bps are reached (oak sage almost always gets taken out first). windy have to tele on you to attack so just wait until they do - if they're that stupid - do some short wws if one doesn't take them out. as for trapsins, flight + ww, wash and rinse. if your stunn locked ww out of it. just get tgods and good light res. barbs use enigma, leap to stun (with good radius) and ww. if you're stun lock leap out of it and stun them.
Actually minions are hard for ww to break if they recast.
a barb should beat most windys because of the insane dmg duel wielding gives you.
wwsin beat windys because of mb. they knock minions off and stun the druid, and druids have slow fhr animations so they are alot easier to stun lock than other builds.
[QUOTE=Squelch]O.o I'd like to see that.
:lol: i would also love to see that :lol:
PhaseMaster
02-03-2005, 15:19
how about bow sorce they do good dmg and all
last i read form in b-net this guy made zeal sorce that do 100k so i think bow sorce can do about 60k to ga if they were build right
Hmm, in melee combat, that is acquirable, but needs extreme like Hoj and Dragon w/ Double Dream, but w/ bow that is not possible.
LovelyGods
03-03-2005, 15:45
my ww sin hardly ever looses to a trapper or wind druid, even if its 2v1.
Pherdnut
03-03-2005, 17:39
Sorceresses with energy shield and damage reducing items are probably the best bet against both.
soul-eater
04-03-2005, 19:50
For wind druids i find nothing better than a sanctuary shield with sm charges i have rarely been beaten by a druid who has been slowed exept for 1 or 2 good players and a couple of aaers u see the tornado is the main attack with that slowed there so vunerable as for trappers my duelers have 90 res thx 2 ga and usually were thundergods as standard i rarely get beat and find the 90 res way better than 75 and even if i am beat i take long time
Of coure u may be a private dueler in which case i am unable to help u as i never duel private hope it helps
dunno if this has been mentioned but a chain lightning sorc will mess up a druid with summons pretty bad, so i hear
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