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Whats better for my merc Stone(resist, 60fhr, nice def) or G bane (cannot be frozen, 30 fhr,) or something else, it is an act2 might merc using reaper toll,andys,
can not be frozen is a must for a high lvl merc
Whats better for my merc Stone(resist, 60fhr, nice def) or G bane (cannot be frozen, 30 fhr,) or something else, it is an act2 might merc using reaper toll,andys,
I would recommend Eth Gaze And Chains Of Honor. Expensive But Very Good. :scratch: :lol:
HarbingersOfSkulls
07-02-2005, 20:21
Waheed uses a Guardian Angel/Gaze/infinity combo...I find that works well enough to use for my light sorc's merc.
If you want more DR...then Shaft/Gaze should take care of that easily enough...even fortitude would be good for the extra damage/life and resists.
HoS
parkerbsb
07-02-2005, 20:22
I'm still in the process of getting the best gear for my A2 merc, I don't think you can go wrong with
Vampgaze (8/x/20 eth/upped if you can afford) Cham (or ber)
Shaftstop (eth/upped if you can afford) Ber (or cham if you didn't cham helm)
Infinity (eth poleax).
Really not much better you can get is there?
I'm still in the process of getting the best gear for my A2 merc, I don't think you can go wrong with
Vampgaze (8/x/20 eth/upped if you can afford) Cham (or ber)
Shaftstop (eth/upped if you can afford) Ber (or cham if you didn't cham helm)
Infinity (eth poleax).
Really not much better you can get is there?
On the less expensive side, I've found that duriels is a great armor. the merc on my 89 blizz sorc uses that along with gaze and eth reapers. He hardly ever dies.
parkerbsb
07-02-2005, 21:39
Yeah duriels is a great armor... I was under the impression we were talking about "end-game" gear. My mistake, although I am thinking I'd rather have the 30DR from a shaft and have a frozen merc occasionally (Tele away it's all good). I tend to play defensively tho so my merc usually only gets in the fray when there are cold immunes to kill.
melianor
08-02-2005, 10:11
Still my first choice:
Vampire Gaze
Upgraded Duriels Shell
Reapers Toll.
Cannot be frozen as a mod on your mercgear is just very useful.
parawizard
08-02-2005, 10:19
Still my first choice:
Vampire Gaze
Upgraded Duriels Shell
Reapers Toll.
Cannot be frozen as a mod on your mercgear is just very useful.
thats what Im using except my duriels is eth and not upgraded seems to work pretty damn well :) Though Im gonna trade out the reapers because it overrides my curses!
I'm still in the process of getting the best gear for my A2 merc, I don't think you can go wrong with
Vampgaze (8/x/20 eth/upped if you can afford) Cham (or ber)
Shaftstop (eth/upped if you can afford) Ber (or cham if you didn't cham helm)
Infinity (eth poleax).
Really not much better you can get is there?
Nono ure wrong..
I would say that best is:
Eth Botd (perhaps warpike)
Chains of honor
Andariels visage
Comeon max resists in hell easy 30 str dex from botd and like 6K dmg..
aint that godly??
I find, for my lvl 90 blizz sorc, that , Eth Stone, Perfect Gaze (Soon to be uped), and cryptic insight lvl 17 med, does perfect...
xxraiderxx
12-02-2005, 02:48
how do you up duriels?
Lem + Ko + Pdiamond ups it but be wary of increased reqs.
well, ill have to say perf eth gaze now..uped
RetroStar
12-02-2005, 04:52
I'm still in the process of getting the best gear for my A2 merc, I don't think you can go wrong with
Vampgaze (8/x/20 eth/upped if you can afford) Cham (or ber)
Shaftstop (eth/upped if you can afford) Ber (or cham if you didn't cham helm)
Infinity (eth poleax).
Really not much better you can get is there?
No point in getting an eth and up'd shaft since it loses the eth property. If you meant eth or up'd then Ill shut up. :)
well, ill have to say perf eth gaze now..uped
u only get like 50 more def right??
do i'd say its not worth it..
Weltkriegpally
14-02-2005, 08:37
Nono ure wrong..
I would say that best is:
Eth Botd (perhaps warpike)
Chains of honor
Andariels visage
Comeon max resists in hell easy 30 str dex from botd and like 6K dmg..
aint that godly??
for a merc:: obedience...370 ed, 5 socket cheap runeword (highest is like Ko rune)
40 percent crushing blow, enchant chance for level 21...-fire resist, eth effect, higher end ar due to the enchant, up to 30 resist all, etc. I would have to say eth botd loses out BIG TIME. 40 crushing blow is more than enough to shut it down, but top it off with resists, big consistent damage, and the seriously cheap factor, and you have a real winner.
--welt
for a merc:: obedience...370 ed, 5 socket cheap runeword (highest is like Ko rune)
40 percent crushing blow, enchant chance for level 21...-fire resist, eth effect, higher end ar due to the enchant, up to 30 resist all, etc. I would have to say eth botd loses out BIG TIME. 40 crushing blow is more than enough to shut it down, but top it off with resists, big consistent damage, and the seriously cheap factor, and you have a real winner.
--welt
Yes it is a very nive weapon to, but since botd gives 30 all stats and 60 ias u wll get more dmg with it.
And u sad obedience will give 30 res, with CoH u will get 65 all res.
Thats enough to max all res.
I would still say botd is better if u can afford.
It also have 12-15% life stolen.
Yes it is a very nive weapon to, but since botd gives 30 all stats and 60 ias u wll get more dmg with it.
And u sad obedience will give 30 res, with CoH u will get 65 all res.
Thats enough to max all res.
I would still say botd is better if u can afford.
It also have 12-15% life stolen.
the +30 atributes would only add 30 str and dex thats not really that much of a big deal..
the +30 atributes would only add 30 str and dex thats not really that much of a big deal..
30 str on merc gives some hundred more dmg wich never is bad.
But the best part of it i would say ofcourse the dmg, but except that u get 12-15% life stolen wich is number 1 for merc to survive. And with that 60 ias even better.
Am i wrong??
Weltkriegpally
17-02-2005, 16:59
30 str on merc gives some hundred more dmg wich never is bad.
But the best part of it i would say ofcourse the dmg, but except that u get 12-15% life stolen wich is number 1 for merc to survive. And with that 60 ias even better.
Am i wrong??
why use eth botd all the time? You can roll a 350 on it if you are unlucky (blech). However, even with 60 ias (don't really care...not that important), its killing power is limited compared to obedience, at least in my opinion. Obedience has 40 percent crushing blow, which is a chance to reduce a monsters life by a certain percentage. It makes short work of everything non pi, and really, the fhr, defense, and resists are all good, too. Oh yes, obedience gives 370 ed, which in an eth thresher means 991 max damage. 15 ed superior will push that over 1k, and frankly, I don't see any problem with making a few dozen of these, as the theshers and the runes themselves are cheap. I only use gaze on my merc for leech and pdr, and really, its all he needs..more than enough to keep him alive vs. listers group (might merc on my sorc). As far as the stats on botd, here is the one that matters:: 30 str. 30 to vit mercs don't get, 30 energy doesn't matter for them, and 30 dex is pretty much not needed since mercs will have the dex to equip the weapon in the first place. Real answer on this, crushing blow vs. 30 more ed? I will take the crushing blow, thank you very much.
--welt
Weltkriegpally
17-02-2005, 18:32
30 str on merc gives some hundred more dmg wich never is bad.
But the best part of it i would say ofcourse the dmg, but except that u get 12-15% life stolen wich is number 1 for merc to survive. And with that 60 ias even better.
Am i wrong??
why use eth botd all the time? You can roll a 350 on it if you are unlucky (blech). However, even with 60 ias (don't really care...not that important), its killing power is limited compared to obedience, at least in my opinion. Obedience has 40 percent crushing blow, which is a chance to reduce a monsters life by a certain percentage. It makes short work of everything non pi, and really, the fhr, defense, and resists are all good, too. Oh yes, obedience gives 370 ed, which in an eth thresher means 991 max damage. 15 ed superior will push that over 1k, and frankly, I don't see any problem with making a few dozen of these, as the theshers and the runes themselves are cheap. I only use gaze on my merc for leech and pdr, and really, its all he needs..more than enough to keep him alive vs. listers group (might merc on my sorc). As far as the stats on botd, here is the one that matters:: 30 str. 30 to vit mercs don't get, 30 energy doesn't matter for them, and 30 dex is pretty much not needed since mercs will have the dex to equip the weapon in the first place. Real answer on this, crushing blow vs. 30 more ed? I will take the crushing blow, thank you very much.
--welt
Weltkriegpally
18-02-2005, 17:02
why use eth botd all the time? You can roll a 350 on it if you are unlucky (blech). However, even with 60 ias (don't really care...not that important), its killing power is limited compared to obedience, at least in my opinion. Obedience has 40 percent crushing blow, which is a chance to reduce a monsters life by a certain percentage. It makes short work of everything non pi, and really, the fhr, defense, and resists are all good, too. Oh yes, obedience gives 370 ed, which in an eth thresher means 991 max damage. 15 ed superior will push that over 1k, and frankly, I don't see any problem with making a few dozen of these, as the theshers and the runes themselves are cheap. I only use gaze on my merc for leech and pdr, and really, its all he needs..more than enough to keep him alive vs. listers group (might merc on my sorc). As far as the stats on botd, here is the one that matters:: 30 str. 30 to vit mercs don't get, 30 energy doesn't matter for them, and 30 dex is pretty much not needed since mercs will have the dex to equip the weapon in the first place. Real answer on this, crushing blow vs. 30 more ed? I will take the crushing blow, thank you very much.
--welt
why use eth botd all the time? You can roll a 350 on it if you are unlucky (blech). However, even with 60 ias (don't really care...not that important), its killing power is limited compared to obedience, at least in my opinion. Obedience has 40 percent crushing blow, which is a chance to reduce a monsters life by a certain percentage. It makes short work of everything non pi, and really, the fhr, defense, and resists are all good, too. Oh yes, obedience gives 370 ed, which in an eth thresher means 991 max damage. 15 ed superior will push that over 1k, and frankly, I don't see any problem with making a few dozen of these, as the theshers and the runes themselves are cheap. I only use gaze on my merc for leech and pdr, and really, its all he needs..more than enough to keep him alive vs. listers group (might merc on my sorc). As far as the stats on botd, here is the one that matters:: 30 str. 30 to vit mercs don't get, 30 energy doesn't matter for them, and 30 dex is pretty much not needed since mercs will have the dex to equip the weapon in the first place. Real answer on this, crushing blow vs. 30 more ed? I will take the crushing blow, thank you very much.
--welt
Yes yes i know what u wanna say, u dont have to post 3 times.
y u can be unlucky and get 350% only, but yet if u get 400% in a superior eth warpike. Imagine the dmg u will do.
Botd isnt that very expensive anyway, Zod and Vex are the only hard runes.
ok that the weapon is expensive it self, but i could go for eth tresher just like u. Just admit that the botd is more powerful.
Weltkriegpally
18-02-2005, 22:06
sorry about posting three times...browser screwed up. aside from that, lets sum it up.
damage potential:: obedience wins, as crushing blow takes a huge chunk of even act bosses life totals, and the ed isn't that much smaller.
defensive capability:: obedience wins again. resist all+ defense+fhr. no ias, but meh, they hit fast enough anyways.
Leeching capability:: botd wins here. 12-15 isn't bad, but I still don't think its that necessary (I mentioned that with gaze, my merc leeches all his back)
cheap factor:: obedience wins again, aside from the fact that you can make it in higher damage weapons that can't get 6 sockets (ie, thresher can only get 5)
The difference is that really, you can make botd in spear class weapons whereas you cannot with obedience. Its ok, though, as polearms are generally faster and have lower requirements. Add in the defensive capabilies of the runeword and we have a real winner. It allows you to use more dr in places you often can't, such as the armor (I usually am forced to use a resist setup rather than dr, as without 75+ resists, I won't let my merc play around).
--welt
sorry about posting three times...browser screwed up. aside from that, lets sum it up.
damage potential:: obedience wins, as crushing blow takes a huge chunk of even act bosses life totals, and the ed isn't that much smaller.
defensive capability:: obedience wins again. resist all+ defense+fhr. no ias, but meh, they hit fast enough anyways.
Leeching capability:: botd wins here. 12-15 isn't bad, but I still don't think its that necessary (I mentioned that with gaze, my merc leeches all his back)
cheap factor:: obedience wins again, aside from the fact that you can make it in higher damage weapons that can't get 6 sockets (ie, thresher can only get 5)
The difference is that really, you can make botd in spear class weapons whereas you cannot with obedience. Its ok, though, as polearms are generally faster and have lower requirements. Add in the defensive capabilies of the runeword and we have a real winner. It allows you to use more dr in places you often can't, such as the armor (I usually am forced to use a resist setup rather than dr, as without 75+ resists, I won't let my merc play around).
--welt
Res doesnt mather, as i sad it should use CoH wich gives u 65 all res.
65 plus merc natural res will easy give u all max res.
If playing on hell then life stolen is 4times less effective.
So if u got 8% life stolen, in hell it will only be 2% wich is really bad.
If u use Botd 12% + andys 10% that will be 22%
22/4=5.5% life stolen
that is very important for durviving, so i still say botd is better.
Besides only Vex and Zod is expensive.. Rest is shiit..
FrozenSolid
19-02-2005, 15:07
Big *** dmg weapons are nice but crushing blow is also a very effective and important mod to have on merc. And obedience can easily get equal dmg to botd. Its really just a matter of taste. Personally I prefer obedie over botd any day.
renounced05
19-02-2005, 16:20
My merc wears, duriels shell, V Gaze and a eth 2 amned bonehew, I could use a better killing wep but I cant beat the 14% leach from the two amned bonehew right now.
well..
we could talk about this for years without coming nowhere..
U like obedience and i Botd.. let it just be like that, what u say?
Weltkriegpally
20-02-2005, 00:42
Res doesnt mather, as i sad it should use CoH wich gives u 65 all res.
65 plus merc natural res will easy give u all max res.
If playing on hell then life stolen is 4times less effective.
So if u got 8% life stolen, in hell it will only be 2% wich is really bad.
If u use Botd 12% + andys 10% that will be 22%
22/4=5.5% life stolen
that is very important for durviving, so i still say botd is better.
Besides only Vex and Zod is expensive.. Rest is shiit..
ok...if you want to do a numbers war..then I suggest fortitude+ebotd thresher+ either gaze or andys visage..your call.
assuming might merc, at level 80+, they start doing 8k max damage with might up. .08x8000=640/4=160 life stolen per hitx 3 hits (jab)=480 life stolen per attack...in hell, with 8 percent life leech. also, when the chilling goes up, he has 8k defense (or more), so the monsters have a really hard time hitting him.
you suggest ebotd warpike+coh. I can assume that on a might merc, you probably get around 8k max damage as well (maybe a little less, maybe more). with 22 percent life leech, then you get 8kx0.22=1760 life leeched/4=440 per hit, or 1320 per attack. ok, its definitely more life leeched. However, he has quite inferior defense, and less dr over my setup (12 less, to be precise), so he will take more damage.
Now lets talk about boss battles, as we can assume this is a mf merc. In hell, mephisto on may not be leeched off of, so all that leech gets you nothing. also, in hell, mercs do 25 percent listed damage to bosses, meaning that both the 8k mercs are now doing 2k. However, the crushing blow from obedience DOESN"T take a penalty save the normal 10 percent melee vs. bosses, so on a 100k hit point baal, then you get 40 percent chance of 10k damage per hit (roughly), and the extra leech helps him not at all.
However, lets once more sum it up. both mercs have good resists, and about 8k damage. Obedience merc has more life (fortitude gives 1-1.5 on clevel), more defense (higher base defense armor on top of chilling), but leeches less. Normal monsters still don't kill him with the exception of physical immunes that I am not paying attention to. Normal combat the ebotd might or might not be better for, while the obedience clearly wins in hell act boss battles. I hope this clears up everything for everybody.
--welt
ok...if you want to do a numbers war..then I suggest fortitude+ebotd thresher+ either gaze or andys visage..your call.
assuming might merc, at level 80+, they start doing 8k max damage with might up. .08x8000=640/4=160 life stolen per hitx 3 hits (jab)=480 life stolen per attack...in hell, with 8 percent life leech. also, when the chilling goes up, he has 8k defense (or more), so the monsters have a really hard time hitting him.
--welt
sry ure calculatios are wrong.. but u know im not caring anymore.. cuase this leads no where..
Ure counting Obedience and Botd ans same dmg.. while botd can reach higher..
can get over 8K dmg..
Weltkriegpally
21-02-2005, 22:58
sry ure calculatios are wrong.. but u know im not caring anymore.. cuase this leads no where..
Ure counting Obedience and Botd ans same dmg.. while botd can reach higher..
can get over 8K dmg..
are they? my merc (level 88) is packing one with the setup I described. with might up, its 8749 max damage. If I add in andariels over gaze, I get 9.4k damage, at the loss of 20 dr. Please tell me where I Might be wrong?
--welt
are they? my merc (level 88) is packing one with the setup I described. with might up, its 8749 max damage. If I add in andariels over gaze, I get 9.4k damage, at the loss of 20 dr. Please tell me where I Might be wrong?
--welt
Eth botd warpke superor 15% + 400% IS 415%
4.15 tes the dmg f eth warpike is far higher..
specally with might..
and thouh i got 22% life stolen go far hgher than u do.. dont feelin lke doin any calculations of life/hits right now....
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