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xxsteelxx

11-01-2005, 04:46

Since there is really no point high lvl dueling at the moment since every u duel uses chicken and all there gear is botted or ebayed and means nothing to them i was thinkin of makin a druid with a high damage grizzly to maybe pk a few stupid hammerdins and such ...but i have no idea what damage a grizzly can do ...

so the plan is

max grizzly and synergies
max how

so with + skills im aiming for lvl 43 ish grizzly and how

For merc ill use a might merc..

so with that lvl grizz + how + might what do u think my chances of koing any chars? I realize that its prob not gonna happen vs a barb or druid but maybe a sorc or a hammerdin?

if not then what if i added the conc rune word to my might merc?

ty 4 the replies

PhatTrumpet

11-01-2005, 05:07

I think you get the idea, but you max Grizzly, then HoW, then the rest of your points go into Dire Wolves or whichever the higher lvl ones are. The higher lvl wolves boost the bear's life while the lower lvl ones only boost AR and def (not worth it).

Adding the Conc aura wouldn't help much, just stick with Might + HoW. You won't KO a half-decent char, but you'll probably get a few idiots. Not sure of the exact damage, but the reduced PvP penalty for minions is great.

Baranor

11-01-2005, 08:06

so in other words u wanna stand in town and cast the bear next to them huh? aka lamer. right.

repoarto

11-01-2005, 08:36

Jep seen those type of bear users, and they are despised, but np if you go out and dont stay in town :)

-Arto-

xxsteelxx

11-01-2005, 09:36

so in other words u wanna stand in town and cast the bear next to them huh? aka lamer. right.

yes in other words im makin a lamer pk bear ....which i guess must make me a lamer....

have u seen the high lvl duel games lately? Is there anyone in them that u would say isnt a lamer?

waflob

11-01-2005, 12:03

so in other words u wanna stand in town and cast the bear next to them huh? aka lamer. right.
Erm - what was the point of this post ? The guy asked a normal question and this is the help he gets. You must be so proud of yourself ...

DelBoy

repoarto

11-01-2005, 12:44

The question thou was even too easy to even think answer... what are the bears synergies..max bear and dire wolf life/damage... jep jep.. now done.. jep jep.. and got 10 summon skillers(should be cheap) and now in duel game.

Its very easy, costs only mana to summon that bear now, its same if it dies or not. Try it to every char what you can hostile, in couple hours(depends how much people will visit in duel game) and search what you bear can kill and what not. usually it will be easily killed.

But now the hard part, to get any respect from anyone run out :) and use bear there, not from town. Some thrill to you too.. its not exiting to just sit in town.

-Arto-

Edit: I mainly dont understand at all that kind of build purpose, the druid is left useless.. level a bit more, go in werebear, get a bit different items and start using shockwave and then you and your bear can work together and you are not sitting uselessly in town, where you are safe from harms way.

Baranor

11-01-2005, 15:43

Erm - what was the point of this post ? The guy asked a normal question and this is the help he gets. You must be so proud of yourself ...

DelBoy

I stand for honor, bravery and style when fighting other people. A town hugging druid who lets his bear do the working is cowardish, idiotic and stupid. To me, this falls in the same line as a TPPK, i.e. stand in town while not risking anything and killing someone else. Its BS.

If your idea is to better HLD games with a lame townhugger, then you are part of the problem. Its the townhugging lamers that spoil the duelling games, usually equipped with MH.

xxsteelxx

11-01-2005, 17:15

I stand for honor, bravery and style when fighting other people. A town hugging druid who lets his bear do the working is cowardish, idiotic and stupid. To me, this falls in the same line as a TPPK, i.e. stand in town while not risking anything and killing someone else. Its BS.

If your idea is to better HLD games with a lame townhugger, then you are part of the problem. Its the townhugging lamers that spoil the duelling games, usually equipped with MH.

heres an idea barabor ...how about u go make ur own thread about "honor, bravery and style" and make ur own little thread about it and stick to the topic of my post ...i really dont give a crap about ur opinion

now ima be afk for a week and im sure ur gonna have some stupid whitty response to this now that has something to do with u being a bear ...and ur gonna eat me ...and the normal drivel that comes out of u....

now go back to ur perfect little land of oz that u live in and spare us the motherly goody goody crap

Baranor

11-01-2005, 17:21

mmmm I see, you dont like my opinion huh? you first complain about the nature of HLD games, and then you deceide to add to the problem that you complain about. When confronted with your own stupidity you follow up by yelling something that is fairly incomprehensible (one might even say "written without thought", but that does show that you are incapable of a decent answer because you need to resort to a personal attack without any decent backing up in order to win the argument. Might I suggest that you shut up? I suppose I could yell something about eating people now, but the fact remains that you're someone who wants to add to a problem that you're complaining about, and that you are thus a dumb ***. One might even go as far as to call you a hypocrite, but that would be mean now would it not? You're a hypocrite.

repoarto

11-01-2005, 17:23

Your not gonna make that in europe realm? cause there is then nothing more than bear killing bear and lotsa of druids standing in town.. its just wich bear hits first and who has highest mana to keep summoning them :D

-Arto-

senji

11-01-2005, 18:46

steel i have one it does pretty good damage i manage to kill some people almost 1 hitted some hammerdins if you want to see it msg me when your online

@baranor
you need to hostile someone first with a bear dueler to kill them, a tppk doesn't he relies on a hack so i don't see how they are the same. if someone get kill by a bear they are a idiot or a careless person, but not like tppk where you become a victim where people have no defense against it except to run
sure they both don't take any risk but the other one is clearly not legetimate in the game

if you think you got so much bravery honor and style, i like to see you duel some overly rich people with all the top end damage gear etc. where 1 hit kills are common think you can manage that? while they use hacks against you and not a dumbass at it

what you think people say about you pking them with your pker with pk gear while them got nothing but crap on and not much life to take a hit from you? do you call that honorable? style? or just plain fun to kill time? i bet some people in games will call you names too lol

some people need to chill whats he making a lame bear dueler is going to affect you? not like he is in your realm and its 100% legetimate anyway if you think its lame don't think he cares about that lol

if you want to call people a lamer so badly call bnet lame its full of it
maybe your a condescending breed like that stinger guy lol

he just ask a common question no need to verbal assault him

jsteel

11-01-2005, 18:50

senji

11-01-2005, 19:23

BREAK OUT THE POPCORN!!!!! PULL UP THE LAWN CHAIRS!!!!!

what the hell did that mean i don't know any american or white joke sry

Chiller_babe

11-01-2005, 19:39

Spent a whole 10 mins composing a "We are not a bunch of lamers in the HC forum"

Then read this post!

Hmm maybe MOST of us aren't a bunch of lamers on this forum;)

*pods off to go and amend other postings*

repoarto

11-01-2005, 19:40

Meh thenks he meaans the flame fight or war some kind and he´s gonna relaz and enjou while watching :D

nah.. its just that i have seen so many of those bear types lately..

-Arto-

Baranor

11-01-2005, 22:31

@baranor
you need to hostile someone first with a bear dueler to kill them, a tppk doesn't he relies on a hack so i don't see how they are the same. if someone get kill by a bear they are a idiot or a careless person, but not like tppk where you become a victim where people have no defense against it except to run
sure they both don't take any risk but the other one is clearly not legetimate in the game

My equation is solely based on the fact that he's inside, doing damage while someone else is outside. It has nothing to dow ith being careless and whatnot. I detest the fact that you can do damage while not even being at risk yourself.

if you think you got so much bravery honor and style, i like to see you duel some overly rich people with all the top end damage gear etc. where 1 hit kills are common think you can manage that? while they use hacks against you and not a dumbass at it

I've done that plenty in 1.09. I killed a lot and died a lot. Its amusing to kill people with oodles of gear, as they simply fail to use it properly. And if you die, well, then you die. It happens a lot.

what you think people say about you pking them with your pker with pk gear while them got nothing but crap on and not much life to take a hit from you? do you call that honorable? style? or just plain fun to kill time? i bet some people in games will call you names too lol

I tell them beforehand that I will kill them if they fight me. Yes, they do call me names, no, I don't mind that, as it comes with being a pk. I don't see why I'm not allowed to call someone a lamer if he acts like one.

some people need to chill whats he making a lame bear dueler is going to affect you? not like he is in your realm and its 100% legetimate anyway if you think its lame don't think he cares about that lol

I dont care wheter it matters to him or not. I have a right to an opinion, and I will say it. I don't care wheter anyone likes me here or not either. I try to be as I am, and that's that.

if you want to call people a lamer so badly call bnet lame its full of it
maybe your a condescending breed like that stinger guy lol

Yup, I agree on that. BNET is full of lamers. However, the solution to that is not to become a total lamer like them as well. If you complain about the state of high level duelling games, and that its full of annoying people, you should not add to the problem yourself by making a lame townhuggerchar, but you should either never return (as I did) or continue there and try something else. BNET is full of hackers, that sucks, so lets become a hacker too. The world is full of people that beat up other people, that sucks, so lets do it. The field is full of sheep, meehhhh, where's my sheep's cloath.

he just ask a common question no need to verbal assault him

Mmm, you do the same too if you don't like what someone says and think your opinion is better. But for what its worth,

mr xxsteelxx, I apologize for verbally assaulting you. Your idea, note, not you, is a lame, idiotic, stupid and hypocritical idea that does not solve the problem. It is not said that it should solve the problem, however adding to it is a bad idea.

senji

12-01-2005, 00:29

My equation is solely based on the fact that he's inside, doing damage while someone else is outside. It has nothing to dow ith being careless and whatnot. I detest the fact that you can do damage while not even being at risk yourself.

I've done that plenty in 1.09. I killed a lot and died a lot. Its amusing to kill people with oodles of gear, as they simply fail to use it properly. And if you die, well, then you die. It happens a lot.

I tell them beforehand that I will kill them if they fight me. Yes, they do call me names, no, I don't mind that, as it comes with being a pk. I don't see why I'm not allowed to call someone a lamer if he acts like one.

I dont care wheter it matters to him or not. I have a right to an opinion, and I will say it. I don't care wheter anyone likes me here or not either. I try to be as I am, and that's that.

Yup, I agree on that. BNET is full of lamers. However, the solution to that is not to become a total lamer like them as well. If you complain about the state of high level duelling games, and that its full of annoying people, you should not add to the problem yourself by making a lame townhuggerchar, but you should either never return (as I did) or continue there and try something else. BNET is full of hackers, that sucks, so lets become a hacker too. The world is full of people that beat up other people, that sucks, so lets do it. The field is full of sheep, meehhhh, where's my sheep's cloath.

Mmm, you do the same too if you don't like what someone says and think your opinion is better. But for what its worth,

mr xxsteelxx, I apologize for verbally assaulting you. Your idea, note, not you, is a lame, idiotic, stupid and hypocritical idea that does not solve the problem. It is not said that it should solve the problem, however adding to it is a bad idea.

bnet have gone down the hell pits long time ago and it will probably stay that way.
1 or more lame build isn't going to do anything
only way to get legitiamte game going is play with your self (sp) or with friends.

you can't be seriously comparing real life with bnet lol, anyway im not complaining just saying how bnet is and i got no problem with it

Relativity

12-01-2005, 00:35

I stand for honor, bravery and style when fighting other people. A town hugging druid who lets his bear do the working is cowardish, idiotic and stupid. To me, this falls in the same line as a TPPK, i.e. stand in town while not risking anything and killing someone else. Its BS.

If your idea is to better HLD games with a lame townhugger, then you are part of the problem. Its the townhugging lamers that spoil the duelling games, usually equipped with MH.
Uhmm Barry, no offence, but you call letting his bear kill people from town stupid... The fact is, if someone is willing to stand outside town and let his bear pummel them, THEY ARE THE STUPID ONES. And why would one need maphack if they were using a townhugging bear druid build?

Cleglaw_Himself

12-01-2005, 01:22

I don't see the problem with building a town-bear-druid. High lvls who died to the bear would deserve it.

Hard to die from one of them as you have to get close enough for the bear to hit you.

Now, a town-bear-druid that actually left town - that would be a shock!

[I've seen a mid-lvl town-zon with a souped-up valk that hurt ++. Did almost 2K PvP in 1 hit to my barb when I let it hit me].

Baranor

12-01-2005, 07:38

Gah, no, obviously people are stupid, and no, there are worse thigns than building a townhugging bear-smacker, but if you complain about the state of hld games, and that is my main problem with this, you should not add to it.

Relativity

12-01-2005, 08:00

Well if you think about it, his cheese is not really adding to the bad state of HLD, it's improving it... From your logic, people are stupid, and generally most of these stupid people use chicken or some other hack in HLDs... If he manages to kill one of these stupid people, he has succesfully reduced (at least temporarily) the amount of stupid people in HLDs, therefore making the state of HLD slightly better overall.

It makes perfect sense! ;)

repoarto

12-01-2005, 08:14

Hehe would be fun to try out thou, full synergised bear and then druid with telestaffy ^^add there merc, and maybe ravens too :D

Not probably good as telenecro but no headaches with iron gollum

-Arto-

Ankeli

12-01-2005, 08:51

http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=302139&page=1

....

waflob

12-01-2005, 10:34

I stand for honor, bravery and style when fighting other people.

This is hilarious ! By your own admission, you're a pker ...
(or were you being very very ironic ?)

DelBoy

Baranor

12-01-2005, 10:43

PukeStar

12-01-2005, 10:50

and? does that mean I can't have a sense of honor? and i do have my own style. I try to be as humerous and as nice as possible about being a pk. I also use pk's with the lowest possible level to kill people with the highest possible level. This means I die a lot against people 40 levels above me, but hey, thats life.

Yeah you are so full of honor that you slap glove (bloodfist?) under opponent feet in town, saying "I challenge You, choose your weapon!"

Baranor

12-01-2005, 11:04

maybe you should stay out of thigns that you don't know jack **** about? your idea of honor is using a level 80 pk to kill nm baalers.

stevethatsmyname

12-01-2005, 11:41

Yeah you are so full of honor that you slap glove (bloodfist?) under opponent feet in town, saying "I challenge You, choose your weapon!"
LOL! i laughed for a while after reading this! " I DEMAND SATISFACTION!! I challenge you.......................... to a duel!!"

Baranor

12-01-2005, 11:51

sometimes people fall for that one though... I do use it.

repoarto

12-01-2005, 12:51

Im also a honorable pk :) When i take my lvl 13 or lvl 15 pk i shout to all that their ears will belong to me. and then i hostile, if need to take wp, i wait politely that 10 second penalty and see how they come town via tps and call me noob ^^ Or when i enter via trapdoor, i start chasing people down, usually they all have time enough to leave or then someone decides to stay and fight, but when that happens.. they trust their chicken hack wich saves them after first charger or kick..

When i had lvl 26 kicker, i went after lvl 57 sorc also and after whole map teleporting with that sorc in travincal she exited after rogue merc died and next only target to my shadow and my merc was the sorc only ^^

I havent ever suprised any player "yet" when i have been pking.. there is no exitement in that when you dont know that there is evil pk after you and you only. I would say they should be flattered(or how its spelled) that someone is wasting his time to make your adrenaline flow and your hand are getting sweaty dammit.. push that esc,.. arrgh options.. alt+f4 nooo windows button ... after caming back you see eevul pk stand next to you and over his/her head is text: !lag??^^
after you calm some down and answer to him/her that no, then the pk hits ya and your deeds will be remembered .. just when you thought you were safe and he/she gonna spare you :D

-Arto-

Oxy

12-01-2005, 22:30

...

I can't believe people are actually arguing with Barry.

What the hell.

How can you actually call this town hugging bear legitimate?

:/

Ankeli

12-01-2005, 22:44

idd, arguing with barry usually leads to nothing good, and arguiing with barry on a subject that sane people realize as rediculous is even more stupid. im gonna make one of those bears btw, wanna see how it actually works in action :p lam0r

Baranor

12-01-2005, 23:03

...

I can't believe people are actually arguing with Barry.

What the hell.

How can you actually call this town hugging bear legitimate?

:/

you know, lately I am getting the feeling that I should better shut up. Apearently, half of the population here thinks that MH is ok if you kill other cheaters, and that building a townhugging lamer to improve the quality of duelling games is actually a smart, intelligent and obviously good solution. I am glad to see that not everyboy has fallen to this madness yet. Oh ya and just so that everyone is clear on the subject: I wont shut up. Not ever.

Cleglaw_Himself

12-01-2005, 23:52

Sry to add to the lameness, but I think I might have to make one also!

Hopefully get a few unsuspecting chickeners.

I may make a hybrid version using teleport though...

Valar-Wrath

13-01-2005, 00:10

you need to hostile someone first with a bear dueler to kill them, a tppk doesn't he relies on a hack so i don't see how they are the same. if someone get kill by a bear they are a idiot or a careless person, but not like tppk where you become a victim where people have no defense against it except to run

Actually, tppk and this bear trick are very much alike in my opinion. You get the same result from the same action. You go to town and hostile, the person outside town dies, while you are in town safe and sound. Tppk CAN be done manually you know.

And yes, that person is an idiot for dying from this trick but that doesn't make it right to kill someone while staying in town nice and safe. So it's ok to tppk someone as long as their an idiot?

im sure ur gonna have some stupid whitty response to this now that has something to do with u being a bear ...and ur gonna eat me ...and the normal drivel that comes out of u....

*sigh* it is just a little forum joke that Barry has. It is not like he says it in EVERY post he makes and that is all he says. I am absolutely positive that he has given out WAY more advice and comments than you have or ever will so a few jokes here and there are no big deal. You can start complaining when you have 3k posts full of advice and help.

half of the population here thinks that MH is ok if you kill other cheaters, and that building a townhugging lamer to improve the quality of duelling games is actually a smart, intelligent and obviously good solution.

and if you use MH to kill hackers and try to justify it by saying that you are helping get rid of cheaters on Bnet, you are just a huge hyprocrite.

Sooooooo basically, IMO, this bear trick is at the top of my lame list.

Cleglaw_Himself

13-01-2005, 00:18

How about everyone makes a town-bear-druid, use it for 1 week, then return to discuss?

MoUsE_WiZ

13-01-2005, 00:24

How about everyone makes a town-bear-druid, use it for 1 week, then return to discuss?
gib 10 summoning charms and I'll get right on it

Ankeli

13-01-2005, 00:39

gib 10 summoning charms and I'll get right on it

see my "minion pvp penalty" thread and you see you wont need 10 skillers.

senji

13-01-2005, 00:42

tppk and a town bear is not the same. they both get the same results to kill someone but the methods are different one is legitamately and one is not

if you die to a town bear its your own fault don't blame anyone, but if you die to a tppk blame him it was done intentionally with hacks and somewhat unavoidable if you don't know it

@valor wrath
whose to judge whats right or wrong on bnet? if anyone dies to a town bear its simply his own fault. you are responsible for your own actions if your actions lead to your death then you can't blame anyone but your self.

its not like the town druid is phsychic and causes your character to move outside of town

yes tppk can be done manually but how many people does that? it requires quick timing and fast hands

you can say town bear is lame but it is no where as lame as hacks

senji

13-01-2005, 00:48

you will need it if you are aiming for people with cta

i have one going up causing all the lameness on duel games

all these people on duel games call me lame,sad,can't duel everything you can imagine

but they are the ones using chicken hack maphack botted gear to duel how pathetic can humans be?

Valar-Wrath

13-01-2005, 01:26

senji

13-01-2005, 01:39

You call standing in town, where there is NO POSSIBLE WAY that you can die and killing someone else legit?

TPPK can also be avoided. It is not hard to spot nor keep away from a level 80 necro in a normal baal game. But if someone is tppkd by that nec, you don't call them an idiot. Like you said, people are responsible for their own actions and it is damn right their own fault if they die.

So you're saying one guy is an idiot for dying but the other is not? Sounds hypocritical to me.

there is alot of variants of tppk you do know right? say like a hell baal game a wind druid decided to tppk and your partied got curse by some minions its a perfect opportunity you ever know what to expect from a tppker. thats what makes it very dangerous

and if anyone thinks that lvl 80 bone necro going to help you baal in normal i got nothing to say haha

Relativity

13-01-2005, 01:43

Valar that's not technically true either, you CAN die in town, rogue bug... but anyways... Using a bear from town is not similar to tppk unless you are hostiling unsuspecting players that are outside town while your bear is also outside town. TPPK can be avoided by experience, and so can avoiding getting owned by a bear. Regardless, if you are in a HLD game, and you outside town, and some druid is repeatedly casting bears at you, you're ASKING to die.

@Barry, I was being sarcastic in my previous post; obviously nothing could improve the state of HLD'ing -- that is aside from some divine intervention that makes Blizz actually do something about the hacks. It's just futile.

@Oxy, uhh, it doesn't take hacks to use a town hugging bear druid, so how can you call it illegitimate? Lame I can understand, but you can't say it's not legitimate as it's within the bounds of the game and not breaking the terms of use.

Cleglaw_Himself

13-01-2005, 01:45

You call standing in town, where there is NO POSSIBLE WAY that you can die and killing someone else legit?

You can die to rogue merc shooting in town bug. Or is that patched?

And, why is it not legit? Its the same as a enchanted merc pking someone who wanted enchant, while enchant sorc stays in town. Or a souped-up valkyrie or merc doing the same thing.

The only thing that is making ppl upset in regards to town-bear-druids is that they just won't leave town to face the botd/oath barb waiting outside just out of bear range. Frustrating yes, illegal no. Its just a super-annoying build - everyone should have one!

Valar-Wrath

13-01-2005, 01:54

You can die to rogue merc shooting in town bug. Or is that patched?

And, why is it not legit? Its the same as a enchanted merc pking someone who wanted enchant, while enchant sorc stays in town. Or a souped-up valkyrie or merc doing the same thing.

The only thing that is making ppl upset in regards to town-bear-druids is that they just won't leave town to face the botd/oath barb waiting outside just out of bear range. Frustrating yes, illegal no. Its just a super-annoying build - everyone should have one!

So, you're basically saying as long as you don't use a hack, it's legit? I mean, because you are totally out of harms way and you can kill people without any risks. So that would make me tppking manually legit..right?

Seriously, I do NOT see a difference between this bear thing and manual tppk. It's just a different way to kill someone who can't kill you. You are in town, click the hostile button, and that person dies without being able to defend himself or kill you. It is the exact same in BOTH cases.

Oh and about enchanted merc's and enchanted valks etc. I also think that is not legit. If you can kill a person, without them being able to kill you, in my books, that is illegit.

senji

13-01-2005, 02:03

So, you're basically saying as long as you don't use a hack, it's legit? I mean, because you are totally out of harms way and you can kill people without any risks. So that would make me tppking manually legit..right?

Oh and about enchanted merc's and enchanted valks etc. I also think that is not legit. If you can kill a person, without them being able to kill you, in my books, that is illegit.

i never said anything about manual tppking being legit. we are all entitle to our own opininons,
but you have to draw the line between hacks and whats legetimate in the game right?
how can you call something not illegit when its in the game thats like saying pkers aren't legetimate because they are geared and tweak to kill and very easily at that giving you no harm or what ever pvmers can do to you.

seriously tell me what can a level 9 untweak pvmer do to a level 9 pker wheres the harm in that?

if its in the game everything is legetimate . if its hacks third party programs then its not

this is just like arguing about the wp trick... its just exploiting a bug in the game same can be said for tppk

but when you rely on hacks to kill its different

i won't be responding to this thread anymore kind of pointless to argue more

Cleglaw_Himself

13-01-2005, 02:12

So that would make me tppking manually legit..right?

Oh and about enchanted merc's and enchanted valks etc. I also think that is not legit. If you can kill a person, without them being able to kill you, in my books, that is illegit.

My version of illegit is anything that didn't come with the game itself - any add-on programs, scripts, etc.

Which means, imo, manual tppk is legit, etc, even though its quite difficult when compared to a town-bear-druid. (btw, I have never, and will never tppk). Also, the person outside can kill the bear, whereas tppk there is no chance to respond.

Edit:
Also, one could say pking is illegit because they are fully twinked with charms, max jewels etc, and pvm'ers really don't have much hope, even triple lvl sometimes. I mean seriously how can a similar lvl pvm have a chance to kill a pk?

I don't count pk v pvm very fair (and is why I only duel and don't pk anymore) but I don't complain as its within the boundaries of the game.

As I said before, its just a super-annoying build but there is nothing illegit about it.

Valar-Wrath

13-01-2005, 02:14

I responded with the manual tppk talk after seeing Relativity's post :
uhh, it doesn't take hacks to use a town hugging bear druid, so how can you call it illegitimate?

And pvm characters atleast have a chance to defend themselves or atleast exit the game. I am basing legitness on the fact if both players are taking SOME kind of risk. If a pker hunts in pvm games, there is always a RISK that one of the people he is hunting is a pkk. So atleast they are taking SOME kind of risk. In the bear case or manual tppk or script tppk, there is no risk to one of the players while there is a chance of death to the other player.

THEY CAN'T EVEN DIE!!! How can you say that is legit? Legal and Legit are two different things, just because you CAN do it without hacks does not make it alright. And just because there are not rules against it, doesn't make it right.

This trick is absolutely lame and I cannot believe that people on this forum will actually go this low for an ear. It's actually starting to look like one big crowd of the everyday bnet users.

Edit to Cleglaws response: Even if you say this is a legit trick, this bear thing is still lame, anyway you look at it.

Cleglaw_Himself

13-01-2005, 02:22

I agree wholeheartedly that it is very lame Valar-Wrath, but not illegit.

And, who would need the ear? You have to leave town to get it remember!

[Imo, this build would be to try to trim bnet of a few high lvl chickeners].

Edit: I was typing legit as if legit and legal were the same.

Legit: being in compliance with the law (of bnet)
Legal: established by law (of bnet)

Pretty much the same to me :)

weedkilz

13-01-2005, 02:23

I havent read this whole thread but it seems to be fairly heated now, lol. I think everyone should be able to agree that any of these methods of pk, manual tppk, town kills etc are very lame. They are bugs in the g ame and are not at the same level as tppk, but they are lame nonetheless. I would still refuse to play or have anything to do with people that did these the same as hack pk's. Valars point that anytime you can kill someone else without any danger to yourself is a good one. The fact is if you kill other people using these methods you are lame just the same as if you tppk. You arent using hacks but you are still killing someone else's char without any skill or danger of dieing. Are these things as bad as hack pk's? no, those can be done anywhere by more different characters. However, the people who are taking advantage of the bugs are still lame. They are not the same thing and I think hacks are worse, but its the people that are doing them t hats the problem, not the things themselves. Dueling is almost totally dead anyways and this stupid stuff by unskilled players is just going to help finish it off. DUels will have to stay away from town entrances now and wp's are always dangerous so where does that leave duels? Cow games?
Face it, legit dueling is dead and you can thank the lamers exploiting the bugs just as well as the hackers. It all goes against honest dueling which is all people are trying to do here.

Cleglaw_Himself

13-01-2005, 02:39

The only way there will ever be legit duels is if ppl on this forum dueled each other exclusively.

Dueling games are full of chickeners remember? And bears could be a potent weapon against chickeners.

What about telenecro duelers? Why can a necro use an item for an iron golem that is 3 times their lvl req? Sorc duelers with decked out merc? All using 1/2 minion pvp penalty to advantage, they get 1st hit in as they tele onto you. How is this fair? Sure they leave town, but they are usually facing chars around their lvl.

I still say that although an ultra-lame and super-frustrating build for the reasons suggested already, everyone needs a town-bear-druid, so I'm going to make my first one! :)

Relativity

13-01-2005, 02:58

I agree with cleglaw on this; yes manual tppk, town killing with bear, etc are lame, some moreso than others... but they are within the bounds of the game, and are not using any hacks, therefore "legitimate" in it's most basic of definitions.

Legal and Legit are two different things, just because you CAN do it without hacks does not make it alright.

This is more an issue of morality.

Oxy

13-01-2005, 03:50

@Oxy, uhh, it doesn't take hacks to use a town hugging bear druid, so how can you call it illegitimate? Lame I can understand, but you can't say it's not legitimate as it's within the bounds of the game and not breaking the terms of use.

Sorry I thought I was posting in the hardcore forum.

Valar-Wrath

13-01-2005, 03:51

Hm, if you both know that this is "lame" why do it? I wouldn't do anything that I thought was lame...

Dueling games are full of chickeners remember? And bears could be a potent weapon against chickeners.

Two wrongs do NOT make a right. One lame thing to counter another lame thing does NOT make it right. Just like chicken to counter tppk does NOT make it right.

But if you all know this stupid bear bug is very lame and you still decide to do it anyways, I guess that is your decision. Go ahead, make dueling even worse than it already is...if that is possible.

Tai.

13-01-2005, 03:56

the objection that people have to town hugging summoners has already been explained, so i won't bother to bring it up anymore.

however, let me paint u a picture from a recent "low lvl duels" game i was in with my 15 pally.

I join, the next 4 people in are lvl 50+, then a lvl 35 necro comes in, so i go and grab my lvl 27 pally.

i dance around his spears for a bit, dual charge with good timing to make him think i was still circling, then in for the hit, knock off his armor, a quick followup gets him below 1/2. then, i notice a lvl 53 barbarian chasing me, (thank god no telezerk) so i start booking it back to town, as im still trying to avoid the continual spears. (don't know if the barb was hostile to nec as well, never saw them confront) i approach town, and theres a druid guarding the bridge with his bear.

so now, i've got a bear in front of me, an oath barb behind me (i can only assume) and a boner spamming spears at me.

barely fluxed in time.

thats my personal complaint about the bear druids.
they aren't around to kill chickenhackers, they are there to interfere with other people's duels.

cheers
-tai

p.s. barry, don't stop posting, you and the other gurus are the only reason people like me got into dueling in the first place

Cleglaw_Himself

13-01-2005, 04:02

I hate chickenhack worse than I hate the lameness of a bear.

And if I was to make a town-bear-druid, I would not be using it to pk lower duelers running back to town. That would be inexcusable for me. I'd be using the bear for good not evil.

Relativity

13-01-2005, 04:05

Sorry I thought I was posting in the hardcore forum.
And that's supposed to mean???

Hm, if you both know that this is "lame" why do it?
I don't. I was simply trying to prove to you that the method of "bear town killing" is not illegitimate (yay double negative!!). A legit player using a legit method of killing chicken-hacking "duelists," however lame that method may be, does not bother me.

Tai.

13-01-2005, 04:06

the point i was making is this, if you're going to town guard with the bear (unless you're using tele this seems the most obvious use) then you are only going to bag ears from people running into town. how many chicken users do you see town run?

cheers
-tai

Valar-Wrath

13-01-2005, 04:12

I'd be using the bear for good not evil.

:lol:

Do you really call killing people who can't touch you good? Then what is evil? Just because they use a hack makes it all that much worse? If they are doing the same thing, using a hack or not, it's still all placed under one classification.

A legit player using a legit method of killing chicken-hacking "duelists," however lame that method may be, does not bother me.

So you wouldn't be the least bit mad if you were in a situation like Tai and you were dueling a barb that was a good match for you and another guy came out to 2v1 you. THEN when you tried to run back to town because 2v1 is in most cases unfair, a big bear was blocking your way and killed you in one hit. When you could not even hurt the caster. I sure as hell know that would bother me.

Anyways guys, I'm going to bed. I'll argue with you fine fellows a bit tomorrow most likely, g'night. ;)

Oxy

13-01-2005, 04:18

Sorry I thought I was posting in the hardcore forum.

And that's supposed to mean???

That's supposed to mean that I thought I was talking amongst people and friends like Barry.

Valar, save your breath.

BTW can't wait to play with your windyzon tomorrow :D

Relativity

13-01-2005, 04:23

So you wouldn't be the least bit mad if you were in a situation like Tai and you were dueling a barb that was a good match for you and another guy came out to 2v1 you. THEN when you tried to run back to town because 2v1 is in most cases unfair, a big bear was blocking your way and killed you in one hit. When you could not even hurt the caster. I sure as hell know that would bother me.

I can't comment or that, nor can I comment on people who misuse the bear to kill/attack characters 30 levels below them (like in tai's situation). Remember the bear was origionally said to be for HLD, so perhaps Tai shouldn't have dueled with all those levels 50+ in the game...

If I was in a duel game and someone came out to 2v1, I probably wouldn't run back towards town, but I'd immediately flux. Running back towards a town entrance is a good way to get killed, as there are numerous chars that could step outside and take a cheap shot (ie a whirler barb or something).

Relativity

13-01-2005, 04:33

How can you actually call this town hugging bear legitimate?

@Oxy, uhh, it doesn't take hacks to use a town hugging bear druid, so how can you call it illegitimate? Lame I can understand, but you can't say it's not legitimate as it's within the bounds of the game and not breaking the terms of use.
Sorry I thought I was posting in the hardcore forum.
And that's supposed to mean???
That's supposed to mean that I thought I was talking amongst people and friends like Barry.

Still makes no sense... You asked how it could be legitimate, I asked you how could it be illegitimate since it's within the bounds of the game, then you say you thought you were posting in the hardcore forum? and thought you were talking amongst people and friends?

I'm sorry, I just don't see your argument.

Edit: Are you trying to say that since you're posting in the hardcore forum, everyone here already believes that town killing bears are illegitimate, and that it shouldn't be a debate?

Oxy

13-01-2005, 04:40

Sigh. Forget it.

Cleglaw_Himself

13-01-2005, 05:08

Do you really call killing people who can't touch you good? Then what is evil? Just because they use a hack makes it all that much worse? If they are doing the same thing, using a hack or not, it's still all placed under one classification.

Good means killing high-lvl hackers in a legit albeit annoying way. Evil means killing anything that leaves town.

the point i was making is this, if you're going to town guard with the bear (unless you're using tele this seems the most obvious use) then you are only going to bag ears from people running into town. how many chicken users do you see town run?

Good means not hostiling the lvl 15 pally in the first place and only hostiling known high-lvl chickeners.
Evil means indescriminate hostiling including lvl 9's returning to town.

Tai.

13-01-2005, 06:45

I can't comment or that, nor can I comment on people who misuse the bear to kill/attack characters 30 levels below them (like in tai's situation). Remember the bear was origionally said to be for HLD, so perhaps Tai shouldn't have dueled with all those levels 50+ in the game...

If I was in a duel game and someone came out to 2v1, I probably wouldn't run back towards town, but I'd immediately flux. Running back towards a town entrance is a good way to get killed, as there are numerous chars that could step outside and take a cheap shot (ie a whirler barb or something).

I understand that it wasn't the most intelligent move in the world to duel with multiple lvl 50+'s in the game, but after 15 lld games of standing around cuz i don't want to leave town with the lvl 80 fireball sorc hostile to me, I was feeling ballsy.

Also, on the second point, when i flux, it has a tendency to bug games, as I don't have a very stabile connection (really messes up teleporting to baal i can tell you) and I didn't want to lose a shot at the only promising game i'd seen in an hour.

I duel exclusively lld/mld, and I can honestly say half my duels are against people lvl 37+ (my highest dueler ever was 37). Nowadays, i'm starting to see more and more bear druids in my games. I understand that you guys are talking about using the bear to kill high level characters, but the only characters I can see it 1-hit killing are ranged characters (sorc, zon, trapper) who really shoudln't be within range. In that case, you have to leave town to chase them, and your fellow bear druid stands at edge of bridge and casts bear on you.

fun fun

cheers
-tai

Baranor

13-01-2005, 07:51

so, heer we have it:

The ones who think that the general bnet populace is lame (everyone)

The ones that think there are far too many fools in HDL games (everyone)

The ones that think that the solution is to make a lamer char yourself and join in the fun (lets just say that I presume that your general IQ is below 75 ok?)

Ya, making a townhugger will really really solve the problem. suuuuuure. you know what we used to call townhuggers? go-back-to-softcore-newbies. theres no way you'll get anyone with half a brain, and there is no way whatsoever you'll gain respect from anyone with half a brain.

Cleglaw_Himself

13-01-2005, 08:36

theres no way you'll get anyone with half a brain, and there is no way whatsoever you'll gain respect from anyone with half a brain.

Ahhh, but Baranor! You're missing the best part of the build - its designed to get those ppl with less than 1/2 a brain, and its not designed to get any respect at all!

Ankeli

13-01-2005, 08:43

Ahhh, but Baranor! You're missing the best part of the build - its designed to get those ppl with less than 1/2 a brain, and its not designed to get any respect at all!
:D
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weedkilz

13-01-2005, 11:12

you guys that are arguing between illegit and lame, I had thought they were the same thing with the people on here. I was under the impression that most of the people on here that were big into dueling were into honest fair dueling. I would have expected people on b-net to try to justify such lame tactics just like listening to someone justify why botting is just mf so whats the big deal, lol. There is a difference between illegit and lame and you guys have definately poited that out. The point is that I think some people such as Valar thought more of this community on this forum to think of them the same way. He is an honest player as are others on here so when there is talk of people using lame things to kill others, he considers is illegit because its lame. Yes it is "technically" legit because it is within the bounds of the game, but I think we thought more of the character on this forum so assuming that people wouldnt even do lame things becasue it would be illegit. We were wrong I guess. And yes some of you are trying to remove some chickeners, but as I feel about it it is lame so imo its illegit, so you are just doing a wrong to counter a wrong. I honestly cannot believe how much crap goes on in d2 now, it is unbelievable. The game is definately getting old for a lot of people on here with the crap that is going on. I think people may need to try something else...wow perhaps hehe:) Anyways,, good day everyone

repoarto

13-01-2005, 12:45

To sum this up:

Any build wich involves other duel participant staying in towns safety is not "dueler" its very bad manner to stay in town and be safe when others have to be very cautious cause of that persons summons etc.

The only thing why i would ever use that kind of build, would be to make sure that both of duelers go in bloodmoor and prevent gate shooting etc. ^^

-Arto-

ADSL

13-01-2005, 13:23

*sigh* what a joke.
I dont even know where to start, so many moronic statements and claims in this thread.

lets start with the tppking, who cares whether you use a program or not to do it? the outcome is the same. But i guess next time you get tppked your first question will be; did you use a program?????? because if you did, you suck!!! but if you didnt you are fine.

Being a lamer to fight a lamer. yeah thats sounds like the smart thing to me!
I would much rather have a chicken user in the game, than a townlamer.

And here i was thinking this forum was full of people with some love for the legit play.
its very simple to see that a towncamping retarded bear wont help the state of duelling games, much more likely make it worse!
First time you kill someone atleast one of the avarage bnet duellers will think, OMG HE GOT EARS WITHOUT ANY DANGER TO HIM SELF, OMG I NEED DO COPY.
Other even more duellers will resort to using chicken.
ei. towncamping morons with the summons ruin the game much more than chicken users!

PukeStar

13-01-2005, 13:39

I think if you are buzing around city gates , means you are looking for trouble. I dont see anything bad about those bear-druids.

Wait until you see people attacking you and leaving at 50% hp, now this is more serious trouble!

Chiller_babe

13-01-2005, 14:06

Wouldn't it be more fun to creat a FREE ITEMZ here game. Set level restriction to 9 so no pesky unhostilables turn up. Dump some decent stuff just outside town, then sit there with your bear at the edge of town hostiling folks as they run over the bridge. I bet you could get a whole stash full of ears in no time!

Would feel real big to say on BNET I fillz me sta$h wid earz In 1 hour!

Stimm

13-01-2005, 14:56

Debated long and hard about posting in this thread, I feel even worse that 1100 comes in it. Anyways here I go.

Nick (Relativity) and I talked for quite awhile about this thread last night. His point he was debating in here was the "legit / lame " views of the build. After reading the entire thread my thoughts are and were that this build was criticized by the pvp populous due to its lameness factor. At some point legit got interchanged with lame. I view the pvp majoirty of this board as legit , non lame mannered people when it comes to pk or dueling. That means not using town csating builds ( like the forementioned summon grizzly ) ,10 sec wp bypass , tppk manual or auto ,pking below your lvl , using MH / auto aim or chicken. What really got me was that people were actually defnding this build "lame to fight the lamers" theres my .02 and I want change back

Baranor

13-01-2005, 15:53

theres my .02 and I want change back

any preferred bodyparts?

mmm, lame, is what i said, and lame, is what it is. tppk is lame, townhugging with a bear outside is lame. argue all you want, but you can't deny that it is lame and that it offers no solution to the problem at hand.

weedkilz

13-01-2005, 15:56

It is good to see some people posting on this topic t hat seem to share a similar view to myself and Valar. This forum has always been great people and great topics. Even all the OT posts are ok most of the time because the people here are nice and a lot of the times hilarious. When I started hearing some of teh trash on here from people defending this stuff in any way it made me mad, and was like b-net had inffected this forum. I am glad there are some good guys left. Now, I think this thread has been discussed enough so lets please let it die or at least turn it into a spam thread, lol.

Stimm

13-01-2005, 16:37

any preferred bodyparts?

mmm, lame, is what i said, and lame, is what it is. tppk is lame, townhugging with a bear outside is lame. argue all you want, but you can't deny that it is lame and that it offers no solution to the problem at hand.

Ill take my change in the form of an ear :xsmile4:

MoUsE_WiZ

13-01-2005, 20:57

And let's all build level 85 sorcs, offer rushes, then trap TP people!
I mean it'd only get rid of the newbs who don't know how to play the game right anyways and hopefully send them back to where they belong!

Sip

13-01-2005, 21:13

I agree with barry

A town casting bear druid is almost as lame as a TPPK character. Both of them allow you to be safe in town while you kill your victim...who may or may not have been an innocent person.

and Steel, people here don't think too highly of people who make pointless posts sprinkled with the word you spelled "u".

Valar-Wrath

13-01-2005, 22:14

A town casting bear druid is almost as lame as a TPPK character. Both of them allow you to be safe in town while you kill your victim...who may or may not have been an innocent person.

Word.

Just to make a little comparison. BTW, this may or may not provoke the same people posting here to defend this lame bear trick with the same arguments. Either way, I'm no long posting in this thread discussing this with the same people who make the exact same arguments worded differently.

On to the comparison....

When you do this bear trick, you are hostiling a player while you are in town and try to kill them. You are safe and sound in town while the other player has the chance to die. There is no apparent risk to you while there is a chance that the other player will lose their character. Also I would like to add that this takes absolutely no skill, other than placing the bear in the correct position to make the kill. (Other than the leveling process for your character)

Now, I will compare the bear trick to manual tppk, which I know ALL of, if not MOST people here agree is totally lame.

When you manual tppk, you are hostiling a player while you are in town and try to kill them. You are safe and sound in town while the other player has a chance to die. There is no apparent risk to you while there is a chance that the other player will lose their character. Also I would like to add that this takes absolutely no skill, other than aiming the specified missile at the player, quickly going to town and hostiling. (Other than the leveling process for your character)

Hm, that's odd. They look very, VERY similar. If you agree that tppk is lame and think differently about this bear trick, you ARE a hypocrite. There's no other way to put it.

If you get the same result from the same action, the two ideas should be considered equal.

Now, I will make another comparison. This may be a mistake but I'd like to clear things up EVEN MORE. (In no way am I comparing d2 to real life, I am simply putting these terms in a way that is even easier to understand)

On to the comparison...

You decide to steal money from your friend. In one situation, you quietly sneak into his house, which you know is unlocked and grab his wallet and run.

In another situation, you barge into his house, punch your "friend" in the face and take his money.

You are doing it TWO DIFFERENT WAYS with the SAME RESULT. Both ways are also very lame. In tppk/bear case, you get the same result...killing another player within the safety in town. They are two different ways of doing it but you still succeed in killing the player. Both ways are very lame.

Basically what I am saying is that while this may not be Illegal or Illegit because it is within the bounds of the game, I consider this illegit and also very lame when used by this forum. This forum is NOT supposed to behave like the general bnet population.

If you know this is lame, please don't do it. Doing so makes you a hypocrite.

And for those of you who want to help out dueling games. Duel legitly, don't use this lame idea to try to "purify" dueling. Even if you are using this to kill chickeners, two wrongs don't make a right.

*sigh* Sorry for this very long winded post but I got everything off my chest now and I will no longer be posting in this thread.

And please don't take the comparison to stealing too seriously, like I said, it was just used to make my argument more clear.

Cleglaw_Himself

13-01-2005, 22:58

Grizzle me here,
Grizzle me there,
Who's afraid
of the Big Brown Bear?

Relativity

14-01-2005, 00:51

Here's another comparison to consider:

A guy walks into a bar and puts a bag of priceless diamonds on a table when the bar is filled with criminals, then turns and looks away. Guess what happens.

As opposed to the guy walking into a bar with his bag of diamonds, then getting shot dead and having his diamonds stolen.

Same outcome, different method.

The first scenario is like bear pk'ing in a duel game, if you put yourself out of town when you're in a game with duelers, you are CONSCIOUSLY putting yourself at risk. Just like if you put a bag of diamonds on a table in a room full of criminals, you are ASKING for them to be stolen. Therefore if you die to a bear pk, in a duel game, it's your own fault.

The second scenario is like tppk. You aren't knowingly putting yourself in danger. For example, suppose you were leveling with a seemingly friendly wind druid, and he was helping you kill things, then suddenly, he TPPK's you. It would come as a shock and you wouldn't have even had a chance to avoid it. Unless of course you want to go with the argument "It's his fault for leveling in a public game!!".

I by no means promote the use of bear pks; they are lame, and sad, just like manual tppk, skipping timer, etc... But I had to try and point out that it isnt ILLEGIT. To me lame and illegit have very different meanings. Lame is "bad manners," while illegit is "breaking the EULA."

And the only similarity between bear pk'ing and tppk'ing is that in both cases, you are from the safety of town. But as I attempted to point out with my examples, they are different in other ways. I guess it all depends on how the bear pk would use his bear, as it IS quite similar to tppk if say some player "Bob" was outside of town, not hostiled, and the pk created his bear then hostiled the unsuspecting "Bob" from town. I was assuming all this time that the player with the bear wouldn't have used it in such a fashion.

Regards

MoUsE_WiZ

14-01-2005, 01:11

AzaZaz

14-01-2005, 01:16

How this topic has this many replies i'll never know. To be perfectly honest I havent read any other reply to this thread except for what relativity said. All I really have to input for this is who really cares? Is a bear dueler really hurting anyone? yes, he's killing the ppl who don't pay attention and don't belong in a duel game. Is a bear dueler a legitmate "dueler"? not by any means, hiding in town behind a merc or a summon is lame, i think we all agree. Is a bear dueler easily avoided? of course it is. Are any of these points even arguable? i'm sure you could argue almost anything it seems but whether or not the arguments are relevant or important is another question all together. Is this argument relevant or important? After 9 pages I'd have to say no. Lets let this one die shall we? :)

Cleglaw_Himself

14-01-2005, 01:30

To me, a town-bear-druid is just like a beastmaster in the gladiator arenas in ancient times. There might be a contest happening, and suddenly a wild bear is released. The truly tough competitor will kill the bear and the smart competitor will escape the arena. Only the weaker and less intelligent would get mauled and eaten.

A town-bear-druid is not a dueler!

And let's all build level 85 sorcs, offer rushes, then trap TP people!
I mean it'd only get rid of the newbs who don't know how to play the game right anyways and hopefully send them back to where they belong!

Mouse, you could say the same about pking in general. Reading the latest pk thread here talking about how one runs into the sewer and how the poor pvmers try zealing, try using their thorn aura only to lose their ear in the process - I mean how is pk fair? How is pking pvmers (where their measly dmg takes off maybe 50 of your 700 hp's) much different from pking high lvl chickeners with a bear? :)

Full_Circle

14-01-2005, 02:03

Mouse, you could say the same about pking in general. Reading the latest pk thread here talking about how one runs into the sewer and how the poor pvmers try zealing, try using their thorn aura only to lose their ear in the process - I mean how is pk fair? How is pking pvmers (where their measly dmg takes off maybe 50 of your 700 hp's) much different from pking high lvl chickeners with a bear? :)

The difference that the PKer IS putting his character at risk. PvMers are no threat, but other PKers, PKKers, and unknowingly enchanted PvMers may be.

xxsteelxx

15-01-2005, 10:24

wow wow wow ....i come back from a week away and find so many nice little posts on my inocent little thread.

I dont know when i ever said bear pk wasnt lame ....it is lame but why do i care? Why do i care what anyone on bnet thinks of me ? This being said ive had some fairly well know duelers on west and anyone that knows me knows i duel fair ...i dont jump low lvls and im usually polite ...(usually). alot of u seem to think since im makin a bear pk that i have no balls and that im afraid of losing my chars and so on and so forth ....hmmm...u guys must know me well huh? Most of u would take ur 58 barb and duel a 85 ebotd thundermaul druid using foritude right??? i mean he only 1 hit me to 9 life before i ran like hell..oh and then i dueled him again and made the little hacker chicken knowing full well his average damage would prob ko me oh ...and u would all take ur 58 and duel a known 90+ blizz tppk sorc right??????? ...man ..im such a pussy for dueling such ez chars .....guess the charged strike zon that killed me was an ez duel for me and no risk to my chars..

anyway .....final points ...anyone that knows me knows i dont back down from duels .....i realize that bear pk is lame ..but dont care.......and i care nothing about fixing any problems in bnet i just like killing stupid people.

weedkilz

15-01-2005, 11:16

i realize that bear pk is lame ..but dont care.......and i care nothing about fixing any problems in bnet i just like killing stupid people.

Oh, just when this thread was getting less responses and showing signs of getting off the first page you come up with this idiotic statement. This statement is one that shows you really should move on to another game. WHen you have to resort to crap like this it you should try something new.
As to what people think of you....people base their opinions of others by their actions. All we know of you on here is you are making this classless, lame, insert more bad words here, build to kill other characters. If you are a legit dueler stay with that. By doing this you are really no better than the hack pk'rs even if you are playing within what Blizz has allowed with the game. You know its lame, everyone else knows it lame, so why do it? And honestly, making comments like above is never going to help your cause, really probably just piss people off even more. You would be better off sticking with your legit dueling rather than going this lame route, but that decision is up to you. Your obviously at a higher state of maturity than the rest of us by your decision making so who am I to say anything really?

ADSL

15-01-2005, 11:22

Ahhh yes i see know, so because you like duelling higher lvls with your chars it makes it ok to be an a-hole sometimes, yeah that makes perfect sence.

And yeah, i see it know. its ok for you to whine about people being lame and using chicken. but everyone should accept that you like being a disgrace to the duelling scene, because you all of the sudden "Dont care" what anyone thinks of you.

yup. it all makes perfect sence.

ps. this was a very ironic post just incase you dont get it.

Baranor

15-01-2005, 13:48

anyway .....final points ...anyone that knows me knows i dont back down from duels .....i realize that bear pk is lame ..but dont care.......and i care nothing about fixing any problems in bnet i just like killing stupid people.

.... and that makes you a jackass.

latah dude

Still-Xey-Lover

15-01-2005, 14:17

I've managed not to look thru this thread...i think you're just as good as a level 9 druid's enchanted wolves killing a dueler for his loot.

Stimm

15-01-2005, 16:48

What is this world coming to? I actually agree with Xey. One can only hope that you get killed by a town druid.

Steel your last post appears to try and show what a legit and brave dueler you are , but your last statement revealed your true identity, your just another jack *** noob

Relativity

15-01-2005, 22:48

level 9 druid's enchanted wolves killing a dueler for his loot.
Wow, is this common? I've actually had that happen to me before in an enchant game (the druid got enchanted by the sorc in the game, made a tp right outside town, then came back through it and hostiled while his wolves were still outside town.) I made it to town alive... my nokozan won... but they hurt like hell!

And all I can say in defence of steel is he is actually a really nice guy when you get to know him. He just might not be the "nice guy" in duel games anymore.

Tai.

16-01-2005, 03:47

well, in all honesty, steel could be the nicest person in the world. However, since I know him only online and specifically through these forums, I don't care about his real life personality at all.

when we choose to immerse ourselves in an online world, we choose to be defined by our online personas. in the eyes of many forum regulars, steel has decided to broadcast that his persona is that of someone who doesn't care anything about battle.net. at least at the beginning people were defending him for trying to kill high level chicken users and "clean up high-level dueling". Now, he has decided to abandon that stand and state that he doesn't care if his build is lame, and because he's fought some characters who were higher lvl than him, we should agree with him.

"anyway .....final points ...anyone that knows me knows i dont back down from duels .....i realize that bear pk is lame ..but dont care.......and i care nothing about fixing any problems in bnet i just like killing stupid people."
as i've stated before, he'd be more likely to kill people taking place in a duel that he wasn't part of than anything else.

He used to have what in my opinion was a moronic point of view, but at least he stood by his point of view, now he's even lost the little respect he had in my eyes for standing his ground

cheers
-tai