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shertown

08-01-2005, 07:04

Probably Level 35ish

Spirit Crystal
Spirit Pally Shield
Viper or maybe even Spirit if i dont need FCR
Lore or Peasnt or ROckstopper
Magefists or Blood fists if i want to hide
Upped snap on switch for fake out
FCR amulet
String of ears?
Waterwalks

Now I just started over and only have a lvl 85 mf sorc and this pally, where can I get vitas.

I have mass pgems if i just know wheres the best place to get rollable charms.

Critque away guys.

shertown

08-01-2005, 07:09

Errr Forgot stats and skills:

I'm thinking losing some damage and getting holy shield to achieve max block, then conc and bhammers, any points left over into blessed aim probably as I dont want to go for vigor.

Stats:

Str: lowest as possible
Dex: Max block with hs
Vita: rest

turnips

08-01-2005, 07:16

Wearing an upped snap really will drain a LOT of strength points. Maybe a more noob fake with lower requirements?

shertown

08-01-2005, 07:30

true, any ideas?

SilverDin

08-01-2005, 07:34

eth steeldriver, not upped?

Code2Zero

08-01-2005, 08:08

People become rich from a lot of mfing and than massive trading. If you want to start a nice hammerdin start mfing and trading :cool:

Stimm

08-01-2005, 08:19

First why lvl 35?

With 2 max FCR SPIRITs your looking at 70% fcr, mages takes you to 90 , viper 120 which is a pretty hefty rate.

lvl 35 will let you get the +2 tree amulets, so assume you get a +2 combat your total + skills will be 7 , 8 if you go p crown 9 if you go rare circlet with +2 combat skills.

At level 35 you will have 38 skill points , 42 or 46 depending on how far you get rushed. I ll assume atleast a nm rush since you can get baal quest without an issue.

you need 1 pre req skill to get to Blessed hammer ( lvl 18 req ) so lvl 18 Hammer then + skill gear (9) gives you lvl 27 hammer and you have used 19 skills, leaving you with 23.

Holyshield requires 2 pre req skills , I would only use 1 point here and let + skill gear do the rest. Used 3 points here , 20 left.

Now for concentration , 2 pre reqs leaving you with lvl 18 concentration + skill gear of +1 if you go + combat tree. And you are out of skill points.

You wont have enough to get vigor or blessed aim and thats where your damage takes shape.

I dont have a damage calculator for it but I dont think your damage will be nearly enough to win you any duels, even with 120% fcr Might try and dig up an Editor and test it out on SP

YellowDyeNo5

08-01-2005, 08:29

http://strategy.diabloii.net/news.php?id=535
Don't have an actual damage calc, but that should help with skill point allocation.

shertown

08-01-2005, 09:30

xxsteelxx

08-01-2005, 09:47

People become rich from a lot of mfing and than massive trading. If you want to start a nice hammerdin start mfing and trading :cool:

huh??
10 chars

MoUsE_WiZ

08-01-2005, 10:14

1) iirc you get more damage with synergies than with conc, you might want to go look at chippydip's to try and figure out exactly where to put skills
2) fcr bp is 75 then 125 isn't it?

AzaZaz

08-01-2005, 11:43

I made him on SP and he was hitting over 1k damage, thats pretty good in my book as I can be swinging about 4 hammers into a charger. If a kicker comes in for kills she'll being getting hit hard, same with a furyer or zealer. And exactly, who looks for a 35 hammer pally?

If you're on east a few ppl will be looking for a 35 hammer pally after the exact 35 pvp hammerdin Sip/Matt flaunted around for the past couple weeks :)

Baranor

08-01-2005, 12:21

mmm with +2(spirit)/+2(spirit)/+1(armor)/+1(soj)/+1(soj) to all skills, +4 combat from circlet/ammy, max bh for level, 1 pt concentrate and 17 pts blessed aim you get 1918-1943 hammer dam if my calcs are correct. just so that you know whats manageble at the level

repoarto

08-01-2005, 14:08

My version was 29 one with one soj also :)

Had 126% cast rate (hurray to 1 pala skill&10%cast rate amulet :D )

He did nice 1309-1337 listed hammer damage and that was good, almost got one 78 barb hehehe while i was drunk-dueling, didnt remember to charge when moving.. so i runned.. and the barb runned faster :D

no loot hehe

But this time i have been able to make dual 34% cast rate sword&shield(35 all res in shield) ^^ so im building next soon, but without soj or sojs this time hehe

-Arto-

Matt

08-01-2005, 15:14

If you're on east a few ppl will be looking for a 35 hammer pally after the exact 35 pvp hammerdin Sip/Matt flaunted around for the past couple weeks :)

Yep :)

I believe we will be remaking him before long, as I looted him when he died.

Barry, your calculations are correct on hammer damage, I dont remember EXACTLY what it was, but it was right around 1.9k listed, and it did hit the 125% FCR BP. Its not great at killing chickeners, but it will beat almost anything its level. (Kime's blizzard sorc was the only thing that beat it in the 30's)

Its a speed machine, huge fhr, huge fcr, pretty impressive damage, its very nice. As for the pvp penalty for hammers, what IS it? From 2 seperate sources, I heard he was putting out almost 600 per hammer, though that sure not a 1/6th penalty, are hammers still 1/4th or what, both these guys were very sure they only took 1 hammer, and that it did almost 600 damage.

Life, depending on charms, you will be somewhere between 1000 and 1500, we were at about 1.1k, and our charms were downright terrible :)

good luck!

-Matt

repoarto

08-01-2005, 15:45

1/4 me thinks, nah. i know :D Learned it from someone :)

-Arto-

shertown

08-01-2005, 16:53

Stimm

08-01-2005, 17:32

Awesome info guys, still looking for information on cubing small vitas, I dont want me to exceed my clvl so I need to find the right ilvl, but is it even worth my time using all those pgems? ( I have A TON)

Actually run normal or nm cows for charms they are a lld paradise. You might want to raise your lvl to 39 so you can use vita scs, if not I think you ll have to use 15 life scs.

If you are intent on cubing your charms I would use nm cow ones , or use hell ones and if you get a really good one trade it for one your lvl

Baranor

08-01-2005, 17:43

if it is 1/4th then an 18 hammerdin is interesting...mmmm...

PhatTrumpet

08-01-2005, 21:10

http://strategy.diabloii.net/news.php?id=535
Don't have an actual damage calc, but that should help with skill point allocation.
That guide isn't entirely accurate as it doesn't account for +skills on Concentration. I did some spreadsheets and the results are in this thread (http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=295277&page=2&pp=10). Essentially, the number of points placed in synergies after maxing BHammer should be 9 more than your displayed slvl Concentration.

Stimm, +2 to a tree ammies are only lvl 30 I believe. I agree that NM Cows are the place to get charms, although your Sorc isn't the optimal character to use.

So with your gear at lvl 35:

PCrown (+1, stats boost, FRW)
+2 Combat ammy
Spirit Shroud (+1 and CBF)
dual Spirits (preferrably Crystal Sword for secks appeal and high resists exceptional Pally shield for defense)
etc...

And assuming a NM rush, your skill setup would be:

18 Blessed Hammer (max for lvl, 26 with gear)
2 Concentration (8 with gear)
17 Blessed Aim ( 17 - 8 = 9 ... which means optimal dmg)

This gives a listed damage of 1677-1700. If you get really crazy with SOJs, a +2 Combat circlet, and a Hell rush, you get an impressive 2340-2370 damage. Even a more sensible build at lvl 30 would dish out 1282-1306 unresistable damage. Then throw a teleport staff on switch for those pesky cowards...

o.O

Stimm

08-01-2005, 21:22

Stimm, +2 to a tree ammies are only lvl 30 I believe

Yes they are lvl 30 , what I meant was that being lvl 35 he should use those , since +3 tree is 45, did not mean to infer +2 tree was 35

shertown

08-01-2005, 21:27

LOL first re roll of nm cow charm was a serpents sc of vita, also found a 14 hps.

LOL then I traded gull dagger for another 14 sc, a 10 sc, and a 25 lc while I was checking my stuff in a random game. Funny.

NEURO_CKY

09-01-2005, 05:30

wow...im actually in the works of making this build as we speak. amazing i got to read some info in this thread before i started my own duels!! i was thinking of keeping it as low as possible, prolly lvl 29 or so. here is my plans so far for equip: (still need help from you all in a few areas)

spirit crystal sword (teh sex!!!)
spirit pally shield (which version is optimal for lvl 29?)
peasant crown (prubied)
viper magi (prubied)
amulet: not real sure actually(may go to lvl 30 jus for the +2 magical)
rings: again.....?????. rare stats ring?menald?
boots: was thinking tearhaunch for a free + 2 vigor and a lil stats..although waterwalks would be ideal....but i wanted to keep this as low as possible.
belt: probably going to go with an eth 15% dr string i have layin around)
lots of scs of sustenance.

obviously going to get a nm rush and max hammer for the lvl. also 1 into holy shield. then 1 into concentration, rest into blessed aim for hammer synergy.
so i guess ill need an extra 5% cast rate to achieve 125%. that can be done with a ring or ammy fairly easily.
so whacha guys think?? what changes do i need to make in gear/skill distrubution?? obviously stats will be:
str: enuff for gear
dex: enuff for max block with 1 pt in hs
vit: all the rest goes here ;)

only thing i wish is that i would have made earlier for more of an element of surprise. o well..iether way it should be fun, and only thing ill ever lose is charms, as i have a second cd key for a lvl 1 looter!! peace all!!!

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Matt

09-01-2005, 06:01

NEURO_CKY

13-01-2005, 00:16

For jewelry: Make sure you hit the 125% FCR breakpoint, you will need some on rings, and maybe your amulet here. Dont count on 2 35% Spirits, instead, just plan on less than perfects, as those will be a big pain to find....

Mana/'fcr seems to be the best option here.

-Matt

ok..thx matt!!

currently my pally is lvl 29 and is doing decent.

high_spirited:

33 fcr spirit crystal sword
eth viper magi
peasant crown
shield: still not sure whether i wanna use my 4 sock 20 all resist pally shield....the block seems kinda low on it. any ideas here matt?)
1 pally skills with 30 life (need to improve i know..maybe +2 combat skills /w life or stats)
rings: 2 10% fcr rings, (1 with 80 mana...the other with 20 mana)
eth 15% dr string
magefists
tearhaunch (may want to bump up to 32 to where waterwalks???)
and some mediocre (sp?) life and mana charms (will improve after all rushing and twinking)

so i guess all i need now to complete is finish rushes (thats ez part with 2 cd keys), find a good blocking 4 sock pally shield for spirit, and decide on boots (tearhaunch, ik, or waterwalks). should be fun tho.

edit: i almost forgot. currently i have blessed hammer maxed for lvl, 1 into concentration, and a few xtra into blessed aim for synergy damage. my question is this: what gives u more damage....blessed aim or concentration???
and if anyone knows exact skill placement between the two...that would be swell!!!! anyways...thx for the reply matt.....ill have stories for him soon....even if it is a bloody, shortlived life!!!!

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Tai.

13-01-2005, 02:19

NEURO_CKY

13-01-2005, 03:42

a few suggestions.

viper
2x spirits
pcrown

-all agree up to this point-

switch: +3 holy shield scepter w/ a low fcr % spirit or rare +2 shield
amulet (either 2 combat blue with fcr if possible or 1 pally skills fcr)
waters
fcr rings with mana
bloodfist
15% dr string? possibly crafted belt so you can switch out a ring?

seems solid to me, obviously u pruby everything available, so you should end up with good life, 125 frc bp, max block (lvl 8 holy shield on switch, or 9 if you go 2 combat skills ammy stead of +1 pally) and waters and good fhr.

cheers
-tai

sweet...thx tai!! good idea on the switch scepter and second spirit. my block is horrible right now..lol. where would be the best place to shop one of those scepters?? i jus need a good +2 combat ammy (/w mods hopefully), a 4 sock crown shield for remaining spirit, and the holy shield scepter. after that he will be ready to roll! thx again for all the suggestions!!!

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Tai.

13-01-2005, 03:57

i happened to pick mine up in nm a3 while getting rid of amp.

id say a few minutes of shopping there should net you one.

cheers
-tai

PhatTrumpet

13-01-2005, 06:04

sweet...thx tai!! good idea on the switch scepter and second spirit. my block is horrible right now..lol. where would be the best place to shop one of those scepters?? i jus need a good +2 combat ammy (/w mods hopefully), a 4 sock crown shield for remaining spirit, and the holy shield scepter. after that he will be ready to roll! thx again for all the suggestions!!!

CampKillYourself
I did some spreadsheets and the results are in this thread (http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=295277&page=2&pp=10). Essentially, the number of points placed in synergies after maxing BHammer should be 9 more than your displayed slvl Concentration.
So for lvl 30 with a NM rush you've got 37 pts to play around with:

13 Blessed Hammer (max for lvl)
2 Concentration (8 with +skills)
17 Blessed Aim (17[synergies] - 9[above] = 8[Conc])

And Tai, people have spent hours looking for +HS scepters... to the point where it was widely believed that they couldn't even spawn. You got extremely lucky, and IMO it's hardly worth the time to try and find one as with only one point invested you've already got a lvl 9 Holy Shield. Subbing in a +3 HS scepter only nets you 1 extra skill.

Tai.

13-01-2005, 06:36

seriously?

i've found 3 on europe in the past 2 days, lol

oh well, good to know

cheers
-tai

NEURO_CKY

14-01-2005, 03:22

thx for the info phatTrumpet!! what if i was to bump of this pally to lvl 32( which im sure im gonna do for waterwalks). also what if i was to hell rush this char too? that would net me a few more skill points as well. thx again for the help man!!

after work im off to find that elusive + hs scepter...lol. i shooped alil in normal
acts 2-5. i saw alot of +3 skill scepters...but not one had holy shield on it. can they spawn in normal i wonder?? wish u were on west tai....so i could buy one of those scepters off ya...lol. o well....things are goin smooth and soon he will be ready. thx for all the help guys!!

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NEURO_CKY

14-01-2005, 03:23

thx for the info phatTrumpet!! what if i was to bump of this pally to lvl 32( which im sure im gonna do for waterwalks). also what if i was to hell rush this char too? that would net me a few more skill points as well. thx again for the help man!!

after work im off to find that elusive + hs scepter...lol. i shopped a lil in normal
acts 2-5. i saw alot of +3 skill scepters...but not one had holy shield on it. can they spawn in normal i wonder?? wish u were on west tai....so i could buy one of those scepters off ya...lol. o well....things are goin smooth and soon he will be ready. thx for all the help guys!!

CampKillYourself

NEURO_CKY

14-01-2005, 06:47

wow.....sry for the double post mods! I Am TEH pWnZOr....Da fOrUMS ARE Teh NuBiESt...lol. (yes......thats the best "leet" talk i could muster) :xrollseye

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PhatTrumpet

14-01-2005, 08:32

Read my post more carefully, it tells you all you need to know to determine the optimal skill placement at any level. If that's not enough, click on the link I quoted to the thread a while ago that discussed interaction between synergies and masteries/auras. I'm not doing everything for you here.

Tai.

14-01-2005, 08:55

lvl 32, hell pa gives you 43 points to spend

15 blessed hammer (max for lvl)
20 blessed aim
1 might
1 holy bolt
6 conc

would be my suggestion, or is at least the build im going to use, but this assumes you can find a holy shield scepter, if not then toss the point in smite, charge, hs and go with 3 conc.

this puts conc at lvl 9-10 with +skills (2 sword, 2 shield, 1 viper, 0-1 ammy, 1 pcrown)

might be better to do one more point in conc, and one less in aim, but if you can shop the scepter, i think the first one would be best.

cheers
-tai

repoarto

14-01-2005, 09:00

Concentration aura helps 50% of its efficiency ^^

So i "think" not actually know wich option gives more damage(lazyandatwork) but i recommend still synergy(from old memory of my pvp hammerdinlvl29).

-Arto-

NEURO_CKY

15-01-2005, 03:35

ok....thx again guys...u rule. i think i have it now!!

I already have one solid point into hs. still have yet to SEE a scepter with even +1 to holy shield on it....tho ive seen just about every other pally skill so far.
i have a trade thread going now so ill see what that yields. of course ill keep looking too! so iether way looks like ill be going with:

15 blessed hammer
20 blessed aim
rest into concentration (looks like 3 with hell pa)

thx again for all the quick responses everyone!!!

CampKillYourself