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Matt

07-01-2005, 15:27

Its getting kind of depressing... It seems like I know EVERY legit dueler on the damn realm. I swear, whenever I run into a legit dueler, I'm amazed, until I realize that its somebody I know.
It seems like every other dueler has maphack and chickenhack. If you are lucky to get a game with people of dueling level (not the usual contingency of level 75's and level 3's), most of the time, NOBODY will duel!

Why? Because everyone maphacks everyone else (evident from the countless "hit w"'s), and decides who they are sure they can beat. They then proceed to challenge only that select group of people they think they can beat, and refuse to duel anyone else. Say its:

A level 9 assassin, a level 14 kicker, a Level 14 charger, and 2 level 18 chargers:

The 9 will scan and refuse to duel anyone (though she really shouldnt)
The level 14 kicker will refuse to duel the 18's, though will feel that dueling the 9 is quite fair.
The 14 charger will, if his gear is optimal, challenge the 14 kicker, but not unless he's sure he can win, and will also hostile the level 9.

The 18's will both refuse to duel eachother, and will both hostile everyone else.

Thats a SLIGHT exaggeration, but it really seems like thats the way it is. If we were going for realism, a level 80 necromancer would join and hostile everyone, and then everyone would go get their level 80 necromancers, and would all argue about how awesome they are from town, but, not being 100% sure they can win, would never actually duel.

In the event that I AM so lucky as to get a duel, usually vs someone who is confident they can beat me (such as the bmpker who said my level 45 assassin was a "lame town casting shadow master asn" because she maphacked me and saw all my prebuff gear on) If they are right, I lose, if they are wrong, they chicken.

Its damn near impossible to get any kills unless you are a 1hit build these days in dueling, which really sucks, because it takes away any variety. Everyone goes with chargers, and since everyone else is a charger, everyone is terrified to duel them, for fear they will be 1hit, and their chicken wont save them.

Mid level dueling is even worse. Its a series of level 53ish Oath using characters, who duel once, then decide the winner, and will never duel again. Mid level dueling is basically sitting in town, waiting to be hostiled by high levels, because its really rare any mid levels actually duel.

So yeah, this is just me ranting a little bit about the state of hardcore dueling today. This is coming from the death of my jabber yesterday, sort of. I dueled some guys lvl 15 charger, and won of course
(despite his rather unique set of rules: No potting, though mana was, of course, since he needed it, fine. No standing against walls, heaven forbid we use any STRATEGY. He then proceeded to call me a whole horde of names when I told him his rules were stupid, though for the sake of actually dueling someone, I abided by them)

Anywho. Beat his 15 paladin, so he returned with his eth bec de corbin Insight charger. Now, this is, of course, a tough duel for a jabber, I figured I wont kill him, but I'll just play around, hopefully he wont land a high roll through my block/dodge. Well, he did. He slivered me in 1 hit, i juv'd, he landed another and 1hit me (I had ~850 life, she was level 21)

Now, death is not what bothers me, at all. If it did, I wouldnt hardcore duel. What bothers me is how people reacted. They were SHOCKED that I had agreed to duel a level 28 paladin. With my 21 jabber? Thats not FAIR, but its not really that unfair, jabbers ARE an anti-charger build, and hes only 7 levels higher than me. The fact that everyone seemed so surprised that I had dueled him was a little weird, I knew i was at a disadvantage, but not a huge one, it was not that big a deal!

I'm thinking I'm going to make all (lets see....) 2 or 3 duelers I have planned, and put most of my dueling gear to use, including the stuff I looted from her, then maybe, for kicks, try out softcore LLDing.

Now why you ask, am I gonna maybe try SC LLDing? Not because dying bothers me, it doesnt, at all, I do NOT care if I die, thats why I hc duel, and thats why I duel people who I KNOW can kill me, and sometimes do.

I may move over for a bit simply because hardcore dueling has gotten so low. While I enjoy dueling in hardcore more than I will SC, I cant STAND sitting endlessly in duel games waiting for someone who thinks they can beat me, but who I actually have a chance against. In other words, theres a lack of good, fair competition, and when that does come along, its usually in the form of a friend (spinal and I have some damn good duels for example ;) ) So, its more about the fact I want to actually duel people who will actually fight, and not sit in town afraid to lose a couple pixels, it bugs the hell out of me how nobody fights in hc dueling games all too often.

Therefore, I will probably try out SC dueling for a bit, just for the simple fact that people will actually fight me, not use chickenhack, not (usually) insist on scanning me before we duel, and it will be nice using builds which are NOT nessicarilly 1-hitters, and still getting kills from them, because people wont leave after 1hit (by which I mean chicken)

So, I think I'll make my hardcore duelers I have planned, and maybe fool around on softcore, just for kicks, and actually get some fun dueling in.

Ok, I've been skipping first block at school, I should go in now. Adios.

-Matt

PhatTrumpet

07-01-2005, 16:26

Well, I'll be heading back to school later tonight, and if someone can rush my duelers sometime this weekend :wink: that'll be another legit sparring partner for you -slash- partner in crime -slash- whatever. I was planning a 16 Zealot, 25 Kicksin, and 30 Hotpaws but I don't really have much of the Druid's gear yet.

... who am I kidding, my girlfriend will catch one wink of me playing D2 and get all pissy. I guess we'll see.

repoarto

07-01-2005, 16:48

@matt, is in east, lots of fury druids?^^

if there is, make char about like this and you will be suprised how many will want to duel you

I have stayed in lvl range 34-40 fury druids, cause over that they get soo better items that if im gonna even try follow, it drains so much of my wealth ..

but of course if lvl 50 druid wants to duel this char, ask if its ok you to duel with bo, im sure you will and then beat that druid too :) there is surely barbs who give it with pleasure ^^

so The build is!

Fanatism/zealer lvl 39 paladin :D

more info

Gear:

guillames face (max)
Shaft (max)
strings
goblin toes
bloodfists? 10 ias
rhyme paladin shield (cbf)
angelic jewelry

wpn, The ultimate uber ethreal ginters rift :D

Skills:

1 holy bolt
1 blessed hammers
1 smite
1 charge
1 holy shield
1 concentration
1 sacrifice--------->synergy giver to zeal so rest in here ^^
1 might
1 blessed aim
1 concentration
4 or more to zeal
10 to fanatism

Charms: sc of vita´s^^ i have still to uppgrade 5 sc´s then i have enough vita sc´s, atm i have 1282 life and 409-1247 damage with fana and without might merc. Goes around 5xx-15xx with might.

Speed will be awesome ^^ One lvl 34 steeldriver druid said he have 4,8k life and he had to juv after juv when i zealed happily :)

Test and fall in love in that char ^^

-Arto-

terrymanning

07-01-2005, 17:10

If you ever want to start LLD-ing (or MLD for that matter) on SC on East let me know. I can PA all difficulties and probably have some extra LLD gear you can have.

Thats about all I do now is low and mid duleing on softcore. Softcore dueling is actually fun because you do get duels and no one chickens and no one hacks. There's just no reason to. And the majority of people are really nice. There are always a few bad apples, but most of the people are OK.

Baranor

07-01-2005, 17:31

guess why I peekay instead of entering duel games now?

xxsteelxx

07-01-2005, 17:45

i think goin to sc to duel is a great way to get dueling exp with new chars u havnt dueled with yet ...say u make a bone nec on hc and u have never dueled with one. Your prob not gonna get alot of practice on hc since noone duels.

As 4 mid duels ...try makin a 58 eth oath bb barb and see how every other mid dueler turns into a pussy and the only people that will duel u are 80+botd fortatude barbs. I wasnt the least bit sad when he died ( to a 80 cs zon since noone else will duel lol) since it was the most boring time ive ever had with a dueler..

make a 12 kicker pk ..alot of people think u are a joke and stay in the game when ur that lvl

PhatTrumpet

07-01-2005, 18:08

xxsteelxx

07-01-2005, 18:26

On the other hand, low- and mid-lvl SC is all about offense. It might be a good place to practice using a particular build, but it is not a good place to test effectiveness.

I'd also think it'd be almost impossible to get low-lvl max dmg jewels.

jewels are ez to get ..just go to cow games and people sell them to venders :) If u try and trade 4 them though dont even bother ....in the lld circle in sc lld stuff is so exspensive its stupid

Squelch

07-01-2005, 18:32

On the other hand, low- and mid-lvl SC is all about offense. It might be a good place to practice using a particular build, but it is not a good place to test effectiveness.

I'd also think it'd be almost impossible to get low-lvl max dmg jewels.

Not necessaily. (sp?) Softcore people do keep max jewels, however, they are very overpriced and you'd probably be better off finding em yourself unless you want to pay pul for a 15 max. As for all about offense: I'm sure the pubs do, but I personally prefer a balanced approach, something I learned from hc.
*eyes light up at the word east* Is this ladder or non?

z3r0

07-01-2005, 19:35

Thats about all I do now is low and mid duleing on softcore. Softcore dueling is actually fun because you do get duels and no one chickens and no one hacks. There's just no reason to. And the majority of people are really nice. There are always a few bad apples, but most of the people are OK.

I know that there really is no reason for people to use chicken in SC dueling, but is it not used to the extent which your post makes me dream about? I mean could you really say decide on no pots and get a duelers ear with a kicker? My last sin built for lvl 12 that ended up at lvl 14 after hunting and such dueled any char under 30, with the exceptions of no pallys 27 or over. She lived forever and although she won 95% of her duels most all of her ears were from pking. It was just impossible to kill anyone in the duel scene (save 2 or 3 successful kills) because almost all used chicken. I guess I need to shut up or ill end up ranting about this just as much as Matt did, but it truly couldn’t be beaten in to much... the scene is pitiful these days. Oh yeah, the only legit dueler I met besides people I already knew was someone that I did know but hadn’t seen in ages, Khelendros! =) I’m sure some of you old timers remember him.

I'm interested to see what the SC lld scene is all about, although I haven’t set foot in a SC game in probably a good 4 years at least.

Highest Regards,
z3r0

edit: Is the SC USEast economy as horrid as I can imagine it being due to lack of any type of sinks?

Full_Circle

07-01-2005, 19:40

make a 12 kicker pk ..alot of people think u are a joke and stay in the game when ur that lvl

Very very true... I even had a person in a duel game scan me and comment on my "fake gear." I was wearing my real gear.

While PKing, I've had one person unhostile me so they could take someone else's TP... that's how little respect some people have for lv 12 Assassins.

Of course, it's not really a dueling build... although it works well enough against most of the people out there... just watch out for Azazaz's 15 Paladin... that guy hurts ;) (at least I think it was him).

xxsteelxx

07-01-2005, 19:49

Not necessaily. (sp?) Softcore people do keep max jewels, however, they are very overpriced and you'd probably be better off finding em yourself unless you want to pay pul for a 15 max. As for all about offense: I'm sure the pubs do, but I personally prefer a balanced approach, something I learned from hc.
*eyes light up at the word east* Is this ladder or non?

id say a very very small part of sc know anything about lld and yes when i played sc i bought all my jewels from cow games .

terrymanning

07-01-2005, 20:19

I know that there really is no reason for people to use chicken in SC dueling, but is it not used to the extent which your post makes me dream about? I mean could you really say decide on no pots and get a duelers ear with a kicker? My last sin built for lvl 12 that ended up at lvl 14 after hunting and such dueled any char under 30, with the exceptions of no pallys 27 or over. She lived forever and although she won 95% of her duels most all of her ears were from pking. It was just impossible to kill anyone in the duel scene (save 2 or 3 successful kills) because almost all used chicken. I guess I need to shut up or ill end up ranting about this just as much as Matt did, but it truly couldn’t be beaten in to much... the scene is pitiful these days. Oh yeah, the only legit dueler I met besides people I already knew was someone that I did know but hadn’t seen in ages, Khelendros! =) I’m sure some of you old timers remember him.

I'm interested to see what the SC lld scene is all about, although I haven’t set foot in a SC game in probably a good 4 years at least.

Highest Regards,
z3r0

edit: Is the SC USEast economy as horrid as I can imagine it being due to lack of any type of sinks?

I have participated in a lot of duels in SC and have yet to see anyone chicken. There's just no reason to. You just walk out and get your body and go at it again. I have either killed the other dueler or been killed in every duel I have been in.

As for the economy, that was the hardest part to get used to coming from hardcore. The first time someone quoted a price for an item in 3/20/20's, I didnt know what they meant. The forums here are a good place to find and trade items and you can't trade 290's or 3/20/20's. LLD gear is expensive so be prepared to pay for the stuff you want.

If anyone wants to look me up on SC, my accounts are *tman001, 002 and terry.manning.

Squelch

07-01-2005, 20:31

id say a very very small part of sc know anything about lld and yes when i played sc i bought all my jewels from cow games .

Exactly my point. I'd say > 5% of sc pubs (not to be confused with all sc people so no jumping down my throat this time) bother keeping them so they're free to set any price they like, due to the lack of competition. On the other hand, mld gear is dirt cheap. The biggest problem would be finding someone that actually kept, say a Lance Guard. You don't even wanna know how long it took to get one of these, and I was offering a unique shako. >< Mld seems to be even lesser known than lld, which is why they're the most frequently called "HAXED" by the aa, mh using, half geared mf sorc that didn't even bother to switch to combat gear. And I'm not exaggerating there. Much.

Thats about all I do now is low and mid duleing on softcore. Softcore dueling is actually fun because you do get duels and no one chickens and no one hacks. There's just no reason to. And the majority of people are really nice. There are always a few bad apples, but most of the people are OK.

Wow. What realm do you play? Granted, chicken is virtually non existant, but to say noone hacks? Was this meant as a joke? I'd say almost all of people in pub duels on either mode use maphack scanning at the least. More or less depending on game. Generally, the poorer the spelling of the duel game name, the more idiots show up. Still, idiots are amusing. Now don't get the wrong idea here. I'm not trying to scare you out of this, I think it's a damn good idea that'll give me some real challenge, since I have 3 mids, and need some practice vs people that know what they're doing! :thumbsup: But I only know of a few circles of lld, and one of mld, and all of them seem to have this annoying tendency to comment on your choice of gear. Now, REAL low and mid lvl dueling games (read: not all pvmers, high lvls, and mf sorcs) tend to have nice people. Usually not legit, but nice. Go in the wrong one, and you get to hone your skills vs the lvl 8x mf sorc with 3xx life who doesn't even bother switching her ali baba to something more pvp oriented. Which is great for laughs, but not much else.

terrymanning

07-01-2005, 20:41

Wow. What realm do you play? Granted, chicken is virtually non existant, but to say noone hacks? Was this meant as a joke? I'd say almost all of people in pub duels on either mode use maphack scanning at the least. More or less depending on game. Generally, the poorer the spelling of the duel game name, the more idiots show up. Still, idiots are amusing. Now don't get the wrong idea here. I'm not trying to scare you out of this, I think it's a damn good idea that'll give me some real challenge, since I have 3 mids, and need some practice vs people that know what they're doing! :thumbsup: But I only know of a few circles of lld, and one of mld, and all of them seem to have this annoying tendency to comment on your choice of gear. Now, REAL low and mid lvl dueling games (read: not all pvmers, high lvls, and mf sorcs) tend to have nice people. Usually not legit, but nice. Go in the wrong one, and you get to hone your skills vs the lvl 8x mf sorc with 3xx life who doesn't even bother switching her ali baba to something more pvp oriented. Which is great for laughs, but not much else.

This is a classic example of how people become numb to certain hacks. When I said no one hacks, I wasn't even considering map hack a hack (God that sounds bad). I guess I just assume almost everyone uses it. I think I'm the only exception sometimes. But I would have to say that map hack is more prevalent in hardcore than softcore. You know, "Who cares what the monsters are, all I have to do is go collect my body and I'm back on my way" or "Who cares what the other guy is using, all I have to do is go collect my body and I'm back on my way".

As for competition, good mid level duelers are harder to find that lower level duelers and some games are better than others. I imagine hardcore dueling is somewhat similar in that respect.

Squelch

07-01-2005, 20:55

This is a classic example of how people become numb to certain hacks. When I said no one hacks, I wasn't even considering map hack a hack (God that sounds bad). I guess I just assume almost everyone uses it. I think I'm the only exception sometimes. But I would have to say that map hack is more prevalent in hardcore than softcore. You know, "Who cares what the monsters are, all I have to do is go collect my body and I'm back on my way" or "Who cares what the other guy is using, all I have to do is go collect my body and I'm back on my way".

As for competition, good mid level duelers are harder to find that lower level duelers and some games are better than others. I imagine hardcore dueling is somewhat similar in that respect.

Well, mh isn't the only one. I see my fair share of aa using ranged characters, although those seem to be more common in high lvl duels. As for the only exception thing: I feel the same way. Gotta admit though, sometimes, the fact they hack makes it all the better. Imagine this:
SomeMHUser: LOL NOOB UR GEAR SUX
(before this fades off screen)
SomeMHUser was slain by You
*you take screenshot*

(can't believe the lol smiley is gone ><)

As for the "who cares what the other guy is using": It's simply a way to make them feel more adequate as a man by mocking anyone not as "l337" as them. I don't think it's any higher or lower in either mode. Merely a change in motivation for using. Self preservation vs Self esteem.

Baranor

07-01-2005, 21:36

It is true, on SC people will fight because they have nothing to loose. If you want decent duels on SC I suggest you look up Clan Honor on these forums. I dunno if Garbad and his pit-foul-stenchy crew are still at it, but they had about a 1000 members over all the realms IIRC.

BTW, azazazazazaz's charger does that resemble Arto's charger who at level 13 does 1000 listed damage (one handed) and has a 50% chance for DS? He was a tad low on his life (bout 650 last time I checked) but apart from that, he was the ideal chargerdin to kill off any and all crappy 2-handed chargers with no brain... 75% block at it too.

Full_Circle

07-01-2005, 22:07

BTW, azazazazazaz's charger does that resemble Arto's charger who at level 13 does 1000 listed damage (one handed) and has a 50% chance for DS? He was a tad low on his life (bout 650 last time I checked) but apart from that, he was the ideal chargerdin to kill off any and all crappy 2-handed chargers with no brain... 75% block at it too.

Well, the Paladin I dueled was actually a Zealot, and I don't really know specifics except he did nearly 500 pvp damage through 75% block in his first zeal series... and I was walking (I was expecting charge). I haven't dueled enough to know if that's really good or just good, but it was a lot more than I've seen from anyone else I've dueled.

Squelch

07-01-2005, 22:51

O.o CH is 99.99% high lvl duels last I checked. And just so I don't need to make a second thread, I just found a perfect Crimson Jewel of Joyfulness (12 minimum damage, level 30) </brag>

Matt

07-01-2005, 23:09

Full_Circle

07-01-2005, 23:24

Yeah, I dueled that 16 zealot too, WhenNoobsAttack, with my 21... I think he won, it was not a real blowout, because 850 life jabbers can take a lot of punishment, so i didnt really come close to dying or anything. That zealot is quite nice.

-Matt

The one I dueled was a 15 named WindowPain... I suspect it's someone from the forums, since he was sitting in op east tourney prior to helz's level 20 tournament, but I don't recall why I figured it was Azazaz... oh well.

Nerf-Herder

07-01-2005, 23:43

i hear ya matt -- for my pvp desires i have been dabbling in SC dueling games

it is an entirely different beast than hardcore -- and good luck finding REAL LLD games in SC -- it is exceptionally rare to see a fully PAed, quested, and pimped out lev 12-21 dueler in SC -- plus those duped 3/20/20's everyone but me seems to have are level 39 so you are highly unlikely to find any serious PvP builds below that level

tho i am slowly collecting jewels and charms to make one :D

hardcore pvp is forever ruined -- if you dont cheat, you really cant compete

i will still play HC for my PvM needs tho -- PvM in SC is just lame (IMHO)

Baranor

07-01-2005, 23:46

after duelling the same nooblar called "el" twice tonight, I totally, 100% agree. This nooblar level 18 charger doesnt bother with pots, he simply chickens on 20%. It took me some time to get his life down to that, so I think he's running a rubied mask. bothersome little twerp.

terrymanning

07-01-2005, 23:56

Tai.

08-01-2005, 00:16

well, any duelers on europe, look me up *tai. cuz im looking for someone legit to test builds against, currently working on a 1h charger (im so sick of chargers but found eth 5 sock knout, so cant think of another viable build, also going to try some of the different builds ive seen posted here, thrower lld etc.

cheers
-tai

AzaZaz

08-01-2005, 05:49

The one I dueled was a 15 named WindowPain... I suspect it's someone from the forums, since he was sitting in op east tourney prior to helz's level 20 tournament, but I don't recall why I figured it was Azazaz... oh well.

OH NO! i've been caught!

windowpain was kind of a funny story. Since I built him on "Plip's" account, all of the pvp chars on there (which is 100% of em) are all named after MXC game show events. So I went along with his trend. I had just come back to HCL and diablo for that matter and killed some lvl 15 noob charger as baranor likes to call em, and of course this clown didnt know what to do with his gear. Not only did he not know what to do with his gear, he also did not know how to hold onto it. So I felt obligated to remove it for him....so I did. Threw together some ****ty charms and made a zealot (only LLD pally I feel comfortable in aside from the Javadin; which, if you're watching on east you'll see soon enough). I figured the gear was too heavy for deaths combo so I went sigons combo, sacrificing CBF for a bit more life. The way I see it is most llds now are all using maphack and dont know their ******** from their elbows except for what they can scan. And since you can't scan charms, the fact that a tiny little 1-2 dmg cold charms is so essential escapes them. So I gambled with sigs belt, hasn't really hurt me yet, cost me a few low lvl kicker ears that let them run to town while i was frozen rather then crawl on the ground.

Unfortunately some lvl 31 maphacking hooblar (yes i said 'hooblar') called my bluff of an AFK 76 pally I placed at the edge of town and ran out and got extremely lucky to catch me in a stink of 2500 ping while i was trying to duel some other pally. So alas windowpain is no more. I figured better to let the pally die and save the loot then try to flux during lag. So windowpain was reborn within 24 hours as the true Vindico (all my pvp pallys are vindico) he is! (ony my real account too)

he's missing a ton of charms and if anyone wants to take advantage of me b4 i get some life charms on him he'll be waiting, gimme a shout :)

BILLY

08-01-2005, 06:08

Isn't it funny how when you pk people, a lot of people in the games tell you to go to a duel game and how pkers are scum/lame/whatever bad name you can think of, while the people in the duel games are honorable players who have some skill. Anyways matt I have sc stuff on east sc ladder, was thinking the same thing you were but never actually built a dueler. I have a lvl 87 mf sorc and I've started a hammerdin in his 40s now. I can probably help you out a bit if you need it.

turnips

08-01-2005, 07:26

Yeah, I dueled that 16 zealot too, WhenNoobsAttack, with my 21... I think he won, it was not a real blowout, because 850 life jabbers can take a lot of punishment, so i didnt really come close to dying or anything. That zealot is quite nice.

-Matt

Helz and I made that pally together, but it's obviously him playing it since I don't play anymore. Of course, I supplied the gear and the leet name. It's funny though, he's meant to zeal for the DS from clegs, but the majority of kills he's gotten came from two charges that connected one after the other. A zeal pally can be very effective using clegs sword as a weapon, starting at about lvl15.

Squelch

08-01-2005, 20:09

*pokes everyone with pointy stick* So, is this gonna be ladder or non? I wanna be slain by the best! ;)

Mert1

09-01-2005, 00:19

chicken set to 20%? Thats an easy ear
Much harder when chicken set to 50%

Matt

09-01-2005, 01:03

*pokes everyone with pointy stick* So, is this gonna be ladder or non? I wanna be slain by the best! ;)

I for one will be on East Ladder, if east ever starts working for me again that is.......

-Matt

Matt

09-01-2005, 01:08

My bad. Accidental double post..

HelzCaretaker

09-01-2005, 01:23

yeah like the only legit dueler besides tamer, azazaz, and plip that I've run across is matt. Kinda funny the only good duels are vs friend. GOGOGOG east tourney duels!

Squelch

09-01-2005, 01:57

I for one will be on East Ladder, if east ever starts working for me again that is.......

-Matt

*dies* :rant: :grrr:

z3r0

09-01-2005, 21:23

*pokes everyone with pointy stick* So, is this gonna be ladder or non? I wanna be slain by the best! ;)

I have started a sorc on USEast SC Ladder and she is like lvl 50 something. In the first day of playing I saw more deaths than in a good month of HC play (and this is including all the TPPKs) . A few of the best would be a 7X sorc dying to normal diablo during a PA, an 8X sorc dying to brem and his buddies while helping lvl on of his friends in Normal Baals, and umm well okay they were all funny to me cause I've been playing HC for so long... but those 2 stood out. Currently my sorc has like 210 or so unallocated stat points, just enough into str to wear the gear I've found, and this gives he a whopping 140 or so HP (10 vit atm). I have joined some duel games and just screwed around with her even though she’s just my MFer and it was quite entertaining. She got a few lvl 70's when she was 4X and stuff like that, mind you I did die a few times but I wouldnt even try something like that in HC (untwinked 4X MFer vs 70+ duelers). All in all its been fun but I don't think that I could PvM for anything other than my duel gear, I'll leave that to HC... oh, and softies build very umm not so good, IMHO, characters and have far less knowledge about the game (in general that is, I have met some knowledgeable people).

Anyways my SC acct is *SCsucksTEHpenOr

Regards,
z3r0

- no one uses chicken as others have said, and surprisingly all the people I've seen (especially apparent in PA's) do not even use maphack, and some didn’t even know what it was. I believe the most rampant hack in SC is pikit.

Sip

09-01-2005, 21:44

Since i stopped making kicksins, All of my pvp characters are 1-2 hit killers.

i hate chicken more than you can imagine. especially when you've chickened the same people dozens of times.

z3r0

09-01-2005, 22:07

Since i stopped making kicksins, All of my pvp characters are 1-2 hit killers.

i hate chicken more than you can imagine. especially when you've chickened the same people dozens of times.

I assume I'll end up back doing atleast something similar in HC, as I'm sure that seeing people reserected and running for their bodies will get much older than it already has. Though I dont know to many builds that 1 hit or 2 hit KO other than chargers. Maybe a zealzer could beat a low set chicken with a high roll on occasion? Maybe a low/mid/inbetween hammerdin? But other than that I'm not sure what could do that sort of dmg to a decent range of characters in duel games.

But, i found a SC rare crystal sword with:
10% ias
48-63 fire dmg
1-135 lightning dmg
and like 5% LL
+70 ar
two dmg mods
lvl req: 26 =)

I havn't done all the speed calculations and stuff but I just have to make a kicked with her.

Oh well, I just got back to the college and need to get unpacked and go visit some friends.

Regards,
z3r0

Matt

09-01-2005, 23:36

I have started a sorc on USEast SC Ladder and she is like lvl 50 something. In the first day of playing I saw more deaths than in a good month of HC play (and this is including all the TPPKs) . A few of the best would be a 7X sorc dying to normal diablo during a PA, an 8X sorc dying to brem and his buddies while helping lvl on of his friends in Normal Baals, and umm well okay they were all funny to me cause I've been playing HC for so long... but those 2 stood out. Currently my sorc has like 210 or so unallocated stat points, just enough into str to wear the gear I've found, and this gives he a whopping 140 or so HP (10 vit atm). I have joined some duel games and just screwed around with her even though she’s just my MFer and it was quite entertaining. She got a few lvl 70's when she was 4X and stuff like that, mind you I did die a few times but I wouldnt even try something like that in HC (untwinked 4X MFer vs 70+ duelers). All in all its been fun but I don't think that I could PvM for anything other than my duel gear, I'll leave that to HC... oh, and softies build very umm not so good, IMHO, characters and have far less knowledge about the game (in general that is, I have met some knowledgeable people).

Anyways my SC acct is *SCsucksTEHpenOr

Regards,
z3r0

- no one uses chicken as others have said, and surprisingly all the people I've seen (especially apparent in PA's) do not even use maphack, and some didn’t even know what it was. I believe the most rampant hack in SC is pikit.

Oh yeah, its kind of amazing the number of deaths... in my very short softcore time in the last day or two, I have seen many things which made me giggle, including... SIX level 22ish characters ALL dying to the summoner. Now I know summoner deaths in the low 20's are not uncommon, however, SIX of them? The whole PARTY died, some of them multiple times!

I saw a level 27 paladin die on radament, and also a mid 20;s amazon.

In addition, just leveling in their "correct" spots (you know, level 19's in tombs and such) I see many deaths per game... its kind of funny.

-Matt

Nerf-Herder

10-01-2005, 02:32

MoUsE_WiZ

10-01-2005, 03:22

Goran

10-01-2005, 04:05

Vindico
he's missing a ton of charms and if anyone wants to take advantage of me b4 i get some life charms on him he'll be waiting, gimme a shout :)

Heh I was in a dueling game today with you.

Matt

10-01-2005, 05:19

Ort takes away from Ptopaz.
Vit and dex take away from mana.
Warmth/TK/ES/Teleport take away from synergies.
Wizzy takes away from skills.
If you USE the potions in your belt that means you have to waste time finding more to replace them.

geez, get a clue and learn to play softcore right you guys =p

I laugh now, because thats hilarious, then I get on the realms, and see that in addition to being silly, its also true :xrollseye:

repoarto

10-01-2005, 07:46

Upgraded lvl 26 kicker to lvl 31 to be able to use ik-itamz ^^

Entered dueling game, wow, 4 of 7 hostiled to me 35 ww barb, 38 sundan barb, 53 pally, 53 barb zerk or ww.. not sure^.

Do they really think it would be fair fight?^^ I think i would die in onehit/one ww with every one of them ^^

Noticed also that when upgrading, stats mainly goes "wasted" some points here and there ^^

kicker in sc would be fun to try ^^ lvl 31 would be fun to try in there.

-Arto-

Ankeli

10-01-2005, 07:49

repoarto

10-01-2005, 08:14

^^

I soo like those :D

-Arto-

Matt

10-01-2005, 14:48

repoarto

10-01-2005, 16:04

yep, i have had more fun with my lvl 15 kicker than my lvl 25 kicker.. havent tested really the 31 one yet :)

hmm... after my realm is back up i goo testing ^^ hopefully im again soo popular with all hostiling me ^^

I tried one fun kind thingy, when those 4 was hostile to me, but none with others of who were hostile to me, i tried to convince them to hostile together all of us, (35ww barb, 38wwbarb, 53 pala, 53 barb,) and then all go out and see who is last one standing^^ Hopefully it would have been me with my uber fast running speed ^^ or then i would have walked, and when they are all close to me, i telekick to someone and hopefully some ww barb targeted to meh and he would be lured to against someone else :D but they didnt want to try that hehe

-Arto-

Squelch

10-01-2005, 16:50

in SC, i swear the #1 killer is bartuc in baal runs

he seems to eat the softies for breakfast -- and there is NO reason for it -- he is ALWAYS lightning enchanted

GET SOME FRIGGIN LIGHTNING RESISTS FOR BAAL RUNS!!

you get a friggin ort rune from the barb quest!! -- stick it in a helm you fruitcakes!!!

another funny SC story -- baal run -- guy dies and drops purples all over upon death -- when he comes back in, he sees me grabbin his pots and starts yelling profanities at me for taking them

my reply was, "if you actually used these things you wouldnt have died to begin with ya friggin dolt!!"

Pubs are highly amusing. Although I see just as many die to hydra as to sparks... Gotta love them 1xx life full sigons sorcs!

I have started a sorc on USEast SC Ladder and she is like lvl 50 something. In the first day of playing I saw more deaths than in a good month of HC play (and this is including all the TPPKs) . A few of the best would be a 7X sorc dying to normal diablo during a PA, an 8X sorc dying to brem and his buddies while helping lvl on of his friends in Normal Baals, and umm well okay they were all funny to me cause I've been playing HC for so long... but those 2 stood out. Currently my sorc has like 210 or so unallocated stat points, just enough into str to wear the gear I've found, and this gives he a whopping 140 or so HP (10 vit atm). I have joined some duel games and just screwed around with her even though she’s just my MFer and it was quite entertaining. She got a few lvl 70's when she was 4X and stuff like that, mind you I did die a few times but I wouldnt even try something like that in HC (untwinked 4X MFer vs 70+ duelers). All in all its been fun but I don't think that I could PvM for anything other than my duel gear, I'll leave that to HC... oh, and softies build very umm not so good, IMHO, characters and have far less knowledge about the game (in general that is, I have met some knowledgeable people).

I hope you aren't implying I fit into the pub category. That's why I want to fight against real mids, since I can count the number of people my level or lower that have beat me on both hands (and this is out of hundreds or maybe even thousands of duels). It's not that I'm that good, it's that there simply isn't many duelers below about 70. And since high lvl duelers are insanely expensive just to be "average", low lvl duelers aren't too much cheaper, and pk is rather pointless in sc (80% die to a monster first anyways, only so many times you can see someone swear at you for 10 minutes over 600 gold before it gets old and yes, that really happened.), I need my pvp fix and I probably lost my hc characters to expiration (sp?) by now so that's not happening anytime soon. I will admit that I did fit into the pub category until I started pvping, and later played hc, since that's what taught me how to play properly. And to add to what you said, I seen 6 (YES SIX) characters 23-27, owned by normal duriel.

corropted-soul

11-01-2005, 04:04

how u make a good dueler how ever i make as stronge they are fast and dangeres they get killed in 1 hit its like iuf every one hackes now i is so anoing how can u make a good dueler??

xxsteelxx

11-01-2005, 05:15

how u make a good dueler how ever i make as stronge they are fast and dangeres they get killed in 1 hit its like iuf every one hackes now i is so anoing how can u make a good dueler??

ill try and translate this 4 u guys ..

"how do u make a good dueler ? When ever i make a strong fast dueler i always die in one hit. Its like everyone hacks and its anoying. How do u make a good dueler "

to answer ur question ...heres a few pointers ...

1) never ever ever ever ever make a 2 handed dueler ...2 hand is only good for pk /..( with maybe one or 2 exeptions such as an eth hone barb )

2) make sure u have max block

3)make sure u set ur chicken to at least 90% and scan all duelers before accepting a duel

4)make sure u pump life and twink ur char as best u can ...lvl ur char and then put all ur gear on him before useing stats ....put points upto the lowest req. item u have and work up from there

5) #3 was a joke.......although its true for most

6) make a dueler that u can afford ......if u dont have much make a kicker or something cheap ...there are a few different builds stickyed on the top of the hc forum.

anyone else add to this to help this guy?

repoarto

11-01-2005, 07:43

***Always*** yes always duel only lower levels than you. That grants you the victory in 50% of times :D

-Arto-