Hell Cower

[Still-Xey-Lover]

I recently found eth titans and if i upgraded them and put them on a javazon could she cow well? I have no idea what the rest of the gear would look like. Max pierce, lightning fury, enough pts in dodges, rest in synergy? Valor as an armor or skuldies, shako, ss, +2 jav skills with ias and leech or something?, wwalks or travs as boots, verdungo as a belt? Ty in advance.

[Jedi]

hell mode is actually a bit work.
u need a lot of damage and i dont think ethereal titans are a good help. it takes a lot hits to clear the whole map so the more lightdamage from skills u have available the better it is. ethereal jsut wastes time if u wait for replenish.

gear like
griffons
anni
skillers
+2gloves
tgods
ormus or skillarmor
etc. the only thing good is that u dont have to look on resistance really and can sacrifice for leech and damage gear.

also with plusskill gear and max block u can keep the passives prettylow and use synergies!

[mestre]

I disagree. A friend of mine killed them fine with no things like annis or skilers. They are already the best build for cows, so in fact you don't need that much.

I also wouldn't remove points from dodges just for synergies as cows hit really hard, so anything helps. I'd do so only if I already had a lot of + skills on my stuff, wich is obvious.

By the way, beware when you enter the Moo Moo farm, as you can enter it right beside a extra fast fanat Cow King pack. If you have a max block and DR paladin I'd recommend testing the red portal with him, and maybe taking some seconds to make a couple of cool herds so as to make things easier for you later.

[Still-Xey-Lover]

Oy this sounds very expensive...can i use shako instead of griffins? I'm guessing valor is better than skuldies, a +2 skill ammy ill try to get. Tgods for sure, forgot about it. Shield = SS incase of dangers? I don't wanna buy jav skillers really. With SS + Shako i get close to max DR AND i get some res, life, mana, and mf. TY for the tips i think i have it down. Btw should valk be maxed? And is a holy freeze or might merc better for this? I'll prob have him use reapers.

[Goran]

Any basic javazon will own hell cows. Just max CS and all of its synergies. Then just a few into the dodges. I like to lure like 5 groups of cows to me and then firy 2 or 3 times. They will all drop! And my javazon isnt all that special either! Heres her gear:

Non Eth Titans
PDiamond StormShield
Duress Armor Runeword
Skull Circlet (+2 Zon skills (very crappy mods)
Draculs Grasp Gloves
SandStorm Trek boots
TGods belt
BK and Raven Frost Rings
Highlords Ammy
Inventory is mostly full of charms such as +java skillers and life, fhr (I duel)

[mestre]

Any basic javazon will own hell cows. Just max CS and all of its synergies.LF is the way to go for cows. CS is just a helper if you really bother killing single cows or bosses.

[Jedi]

Any basic javazon will own hell cows. Just max CS and all of its synergies. Then just a few into the dodges. I like to lure like 5 groups of cows to me and then firy 2 or 3 times. They will all drop! And my javazon isnt all that special either! Heres her gear:

Non Eth Titans
PDiamond StormShield
Duress Armor Runeword
Skull Circlet (+2 Zon skills (very crappy mods)
Draculs Grasp Gloves
SandStorm Trek boots
TGods belt
BK and Raven Frost Rings
Highlords Ammy
Inventory is mostly full of charms such as +java skillers and life, fhr (I duel)

not special in what terms? "full of skillcharms" where do u expect the damage comes from on your build? ;) btw not to mention the price for java with life charms.

anyway the question is to have a char that can kill fast to have a good "per minute monster drop" i know my pala can kill them either but the time investment is the key.
in 1.09 the map was cleared pretty fast with ordinairy gear but in 1.10 even with good gear u cant reach the same speed. therefore it is for me normal to twink until i see equal minute per run times.

theoretical it is good to have a holy freeze merc but i like to group the hords and use less quantity ( which will run out on just one titans 110%sure). the merc attacks at sight and gets killed pretty fast and screws this tactics.

i have one point in valk but dont use her regularly because u have the same problem with her. though on bad ping days it helps to see if she is frozen and u lag yourself or she can absorb some hits in that time.

for safety i wear a stormshield in case of lag or red portal is trapped by boss.

my damage ( if i rememebr right at moment) is 1 - 2k+.

griffons
leechamu
skuller
wartravs
tgods
+2 20 ias gloves
titans 2 sets one with stormshield one whitstans
ravenfrost
anni
lvl 81
with around~3 invested points in the passives together with plus skills it is around ~50%
75% block with both version

i find it a bit long until they actually die in my opinion.

maybe that helps aswell to decide.

regards Jedi

[xxsteelxx]

another really fast cow killer if anyone is looking for the option is a summon nec. You dont need any really exspensive gear ....just arm or king leoric//homo//and some other + skill gear to get some high damage skellies...get them a might merc and make sure u max ce. I found my necro killed cows almost as fast as my zon. One good thing to do that makes it faster is find a nice pack of cows then cast bone wall...by the time every cow on ur side of the map swarms onto it a bunch of the cows in the first group will be dead..just amp the new commers and press ce like 3 times and they all dead. I think my ce range was around 12 yards..

[xxsteelxx]

cowing with ur zon its nice to have a good merc that can tank..so u can round up the cows and sit back and fire....my merc uses eth reapers//tals helm//shaft and he dies alot if i dont bo him..so if u can afford a cta ,it really makes a huge diff in if cow run speed

[Sip]

when it comes to cowing, ethereal 200% upgraded titans are no different than 150% non ethereal titans.

People only use those for more physical damage, which in turn gives them more effective leech (Using Jab or charged strike)

What makes a LF cower good is the damage (skill level) and anything that adds to damage (Increased attack speed or -enemy lit resistance)

You could make a relatively good cower with crappy gear. Your resists dont matter much when hell cower because they do mainly physical. The boss packs are easily avoidable. Stuff life whitsands and shaftstop or gaze are good. Just think pre 1.10.

[Still-Xey-Lover]

I've done hell cows with my crap orb sorc and her merc never died. Shaft/gaze/non-ethreapers she took a long time to kill but with a zon it'd be fine. I just got SS mfed :p, 20 ias 2 jav skill 3 ml gloves, 4/4 lit facet griffins, eth 195 percent tits, 2x java skillers, i'm up to 9 vita sc, got a 20 dex raven. I'm still unsure of what armor to use. Valor or skuldies are my options i guess. It'd be cool to use valor since i've never used one before. On the boots i'm still unsure . Belt = tgods, ummm so yah my main questions are: Which armor is best? Which boots are best? What second ring is best (don't wanna spend ist on BK) and what should i put in sockets? Shael the SS ? Shael the armor? Since if you get caught in a cow pack you need fast blocking and good fhr? Lastly do you find any goodies? I figured with all the new runewords, it'd be a good way to get some nice socketables. LASTLY lastly do you need to max pierce or is maxing a synergy more effective.

[Jedi]

I've done hell cows with my crap orb sorc and her merc never died. Shaft/gaze/non-ethreapers she took a long time to kill but with a zon it'd be fine. I just got SS mfed :p, 20 ias 2 jav skill 3 ml gloves, 4/4 lit facet griffins, eth 195 percent tits, 2x java skillers, i'm up to 9 vita sc, got a 20 dex raven. I'm still unsure of what armor to use. Valor or skuldies are my options i guess. It'd be cool to use valor since i've never used one before. On the boots i'm still unsure . Belt = tgods, ummm so yah my main questions are: Which armor is best? Which boots are best? What second ring is best (don't wanna spend ist on BK) and what should i put in sockets? Shael the SS ? Shael the armor? Since if you get caught in a cow pack you need fast blocking and good fhr? Lastly do you find any goodies? I figured with all the new runewords, it'd be a good way to get some nice socketables. LASTLY lastly do you need to max pierce or is maxing a synergy more effective.

if u want socketable stuff dont use mf% ;)

for the sockets.. actually it didnt matter from my experience. damage is safety too ;) i think i can be hit a lot times with max block and stormshield without fearing to die.

[shertown]

I like to use lion heart on my javas, just an all around good/cheap armor.

[PhatTrumpet]

when it comes to cowing, ethereal 200% upgraded titans are no different than 150% non ethereal titans.

People only use those for more physical damage, which in turn gives them more effective leech (Using Jab or charged strike)

What makes a LF cower good is the damage (skill level) and anything that adds to damage (Increased attack speed or -enemy lit resistance)
Thank you, I can't believe some people still don't understand this. I used to waste so much time in 1.09 cows trying explain to people why their eth Titans were really no better than my regular ones.

What you really need for a Cowazon is Griffon's and maybe even +4 TStrokes. You can more than likely get through an entire run without running out of javs, and the -enemy lightning resist is invaluable, possibly even necessary. Cows got beefed up for 1.10, and I believe they were given significant lightning resist.

That being said, why bother with Hell Cows when you can find all the valuable dueling charms/jewels in Nightmare Cows? You can also find just about as many socketables and more elite uniques doing Pits.