Could Harmony bring back the Multizon?

[DudSpud]

Hello all. Like many of you, I have been looking over the new Runewords and thinking of builds based on them. While pondering this question and finishing up Baal with an LF/FA hybrid, a multizon joined my game, and she really held her own. Seems like she went with magic arrow for immunes, and said her bow was just a pretty good rare with IAS, skills, and some decent ED, IIRC 250-300 max damage.

I know very little about pure bowies, never having played one, but I got to thinking, what about a multi using this new word. Note - I know this would work for strafe too, but I want to discuss using multi, and only consider strafe as maybe a back up. Please. Oh, and this is PvM only.

Harmony - 4s Missle - Tir Ith Sol Ko
Level 10 Vigor Aura When Equipped
+200-275% Enhanced Damage (varies)
+9 To Minimum Damage
+9 To Maximum Damage
Adds 55-160 Fire Damage
Adds 55-160 Cold Damage
+2-6 To Valkyrie (varies)
+10 To Dexterity
Regenerate Mana 20%
+2 To Mana After Each Kill
+2 To Light Radius
Level 20 Revive (25 Charges)

Pros:
- Cheap runes (as in, I actually have them, and I am really poor)
- Vigor means forget looking for FRW mods
-+2-3 valk, with some revive meat shields to help keep the heat off
-Reg mana and +2mana/kill to reduce need for leech[/color]
-210-285% (+dex) ED and + min/max

Question 1 - Is the ED added before the 25% multi penalty? What about the +min/max?

- Good elemental damage to add to each arrow shot.

Question 2 - One odd thing, the screen shot I (thought) I saw for Harmony had 55-160 Lightning damage as well. At least, I think it did, but the AS doesn't list this, and I cannot find the link to the original . Can anyone confirm that Harmony also gives 55-160 LD?

Question 3 - I have been lead to believe that Chance to Cast only works for the two middle arrows of a volley, but I would expect that elemental/poison damage would carry on each arrow, like ED (wait, I don't even know that...). Does elemental damage/ED carry on all arrows of a volley? Also, does KB carry on each arrow?

Cons:
- Multi is for n00bs. Get WF, use strafe.
- WF is for dupers. Get WWS, use strafe.
- no IAS on weapon.

Question 4 - With multi and even just 22 IAS (with -10 Mat bow), I will be firing 2.5 volleys/sec. Is this enough or would you suggest more? 42% for 2.7 APS and 75% for 3.1 APS are the breakpoints within my budget from the German site.

- No AR, means more points spent in penetrate
- Mainly a crowd killer, must adjust for singles/bosses

Ok, so my rough outline for the build is max multi (or close), 17 w/+skills Valk, 1 each passive, maybe 10 each pierce and penetrate, rest in either FA (13 max with + skills, rest in CA) or magic and guided. Equip with Harmony Mat Bow, IAS gloves, Helm, belt and KB and resists wherever I can get them, with plenty of life and damage charms. Either a HF merc for a little more crowd control (but hey, that's my job) or more likely a might merc for a little more punch for me and Blondie.

Is the elemental damage enough to make a multi come back? Only with the conviction runeword merc? Any other suggestions? Keep in mind I am on a budget, no dupes, etc. The runes are just so cheap that after I find the 4os Mat bow, I am going to try this out. I have a lvl 23 mule I was considering to become a WWS strafer, who thankfully hasn't mispent any points.

Thanks
DudSpud

[Shanksie1337]

Personally i don't see how a bow can somehow transform MS yet be irrelevant for strafe? What applies to MS also applies to strafe - in general - ie your added elemental damage etc.

and afaik the 25% is calculated last - it works out what your final damage is, then applies the -25%

[itsPizzarific]

i guess if they made a runeword with massive enhanced damage and no ias, multi could be better than strafe .. i love just love strafe b/c its also a boss killer :xgrin:

[DudSpud]

...Note - I know this would work for strafe too, but I want to discuss using multi, and only consider strafe as maybe a back up. Please... I didn't expect everyone to read this, but still...

Cons:
- Multi is for n00bs. Get WF, use strafe.
- WF is for dupers. Get WWS, use strafe.
- no IAS on weapon.
Guess I was more right than I knew.

Dud "TEHUBERNooB" Spud

[mgill1772]

multi still rips, at 7 frames....ouch, even 8 frame wf multi can still cakewalk thru the game, its just not that interesting if you're wearing all ias gear. Strafe applies all the mods now and multi doesnt but if you have high damage I think multi still clears larger areas more quickly, i. e. choas sanc....

[twelvebagger]

multi still rips, at 7 frames....ouch, even 8 frame wf multi can still cakewalk thru the game, its just not that interesting if you're wearing all ias gear. Strafe applies all the mods now and multi doesnt but if you have high damage I think multi still clears larger areas more quickly, i. e. choas sanc....


I'm glad someone posted this.

I have a multishot zon with a decent amount of IAS. 60 in armor, 20 gloves, 15 in wf, 25 on helm, 20 on amulet, 10 on belt, and I think MS is still a great killer for wide areas.

The big advantage it has, aside from the wide sweep it does, is that it kills 2 to 3 screens away, and that fact alone makes it wonderful for chaos sanct, or any other wide open spots. I tested it out, and I actually run cows faster with MS than I do with LF.

Maybe I'll get flamed for this, but I've always believed multishot to be a very viable skill provided you are using it in areas where you can take advantage of it.

This game has always been about DPS, and when you stack up all those hits, MS is still a wonderful skill.

[Rane-]

I actually run cows faster with MS than I do with LF.

Assuming you don't have weak-as lightning fury, I find that pretty much impossible to believe. With WF+160/60+120/45+Cat's+Travs+LoH+Razortail+RF+RF I still have a pretty dam hard time killing hell cows, and a LF zon DEFINATLY has an easier time. I sometimes switch in a Atma's Amy, but it's still slower. Could you post your setup?

[BodomSaint]

i recently built a Multizon, and even though i cannot say that i clear hell moo moo farm faster than a Javazon i did not have any problems in Hell at all. Sure, bosses (especially Baal and Ancients) took a lil longer but i rarely ever hat to retreat or drink a potion.

My gear:

WF (Still unsocketed)
Kira's Guardian (Um)
Highlord's Wrath*
Fortitude Archon
Ravenfrost
BK Ring
Razortail
Wartravs
Laying of Hands

*question: does the Deadly Strike apply with every Arrow form a MS Volley or just from the 2 Arrows in the middle? i'm asking because i'm thinking about switching to a Cat's Eye


As you can see i took little emphasis on speed but rather on damage but it works. i clear even the most feared areas with little to no effort :D

[twelvebagger]

Here’s the setup:

Wf (40/15)
160/60 armor
40/15 steelskull (insert laughter here.. I know that’s a funny choice)
Nosferatus coil (I thought it was dungos, double checked last night)
Crafted Gloves: 7% crushing blow, 3% LL, 20% IAS, +low dex
Gore Riders
Atmas Scarab/Cats Eye (I switch these out on occasion)
Carrion wind
Wisp Projector

Various charms, a few with max/ar/dex, most stat points into dex.
Resists suck.


Multi does around 4K max with my might merc. Not sure what frame rate I’m at, but I know it’s decent and fun 

Again, the reason I like multi is because of how far it extends. Lightning Fury IS a faster killer if you only count the monsters immediately in front of you. With MS, I’ll have to take a walk a full screen past the mob I just fought, to see what else I killed down the road.

Oh, and considering my gear, I think my LF is only level 20, currently using titans with tiamats rebuke on switch for the added elemental damage.


EDIT: I will pay closer attention and do a few cow runs. I didn't technically time each run, I made the comment as a general observation so I may be wrong. It does seem like MS is a faster killer.

[chien]

Here’s the setup:

Wf (40/15)
160/60 armor
40/15 steelskull (insert laughter here.. I know that’s a funny choice)
Nosferatus coil (I thought it was dungos, double checked last night)
Crafted Gloves: 7% crushing blow, 3% LL, 20% IAS, +low dex
Gore Riders
Atmas Scarab/Cats Eye (I switch these out on occasion)
Carrion wind
Wisp Projector

Various charms, a few with max/ar/dex, most stat points into dex.
Resists suck.


Multi does around 4K max with my might merc. Not sure what frame rate I’m at, but I know it’s decent and fun 

Again, the reason I like multi is because of how far it extends. Lightning Fury IS a faster killer if you only count the monsters immediately in front of you. With MS, I’ll have to take a walk a full screen past the mob I just fought, to see what else I killed down the road.

Oh, and considering my gear, I think my LF is only level 20, currently using titans with tiamats rebuke on switch for the added elemental damage.


EDIT: I will pay closer attention and do a few cow runs. I didn't technically time each run, I made the comment as a general observation so I may be wrong. It does seem like MS is a faster killer.


Could you please share your skill distribution? Multishot maxed? Also, are you doing Multi/LF hybrid?

Thanks!

Chien

[5Ws]

...yeah, with all the 40/15s and 160/60, my cat can clear the cow farm too...

[Catrinus Jan]

...yeah, with all the 40/15s and 160/60, my cat can clear the cow farm too...

Amen to that