Pefecting the Faith/Fort Combo- Post it all here

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Ok so i'm gunna dedicate this thread to finding out the most useful combo of items with faith/fort. Please post your builds also, and lets debate on what is the most ideal setup.

So far, I have concluded:
Crusador/Hydra (if u want to PvM) or GMB seem to be the best Faith bows. Since they all reach 7 fps with enough Fanat, Mat bow doesnt have much of an advantage except of requiring less ias.

An ed/ias helmet is useful in this build because if u use GMB or Hyd/Cru, ur gunna need 95% ias (rest is impractical if u have lvl 12 fanat)

Knockback almost increases safety by 100%. 20 ias/knockback gloves are going to become popular.

A powerful combonation (Which I credit to luis19 for the information) is to have SS and eth titans vs pallies. Along with your 45 ias helm [, and the 15 ias jewel i stuck in my SS] you will be throwing ITD spears of pure lightning dmg, at a quick rate. Knockback helps these keep pallies away immensly. Also you can jab other bowazons.

This build lacks +skills, so prebuffing BO is a VERY good idea

Dex is optimized at 300 for a good dex:vit build. My ama has 300 dex total (2x 20 ravens, cats eye) and has 100 str, with the rest into vit. ATM she has 1500 life at level 74 which is an OUTSTANDING number for lvl 74 bowazon. This number is rising, and i'm pouring all remaining point to vit (i've yet to do the quests) My damage is 4200 guided PURE PHYSICAL.

Max Dmg seems to overpower Psn since the only builds that you will have trouble with need to be dealt IMMEDIATE damage otherwise you will be killed. Better to kill a pally on his way charging you than kill him after he charges you. IE: Waiting for open wounds or poison is NOT a good idea.

Walk/Run like with any bowazon is a necessity. After prebuffing BO, i suggest using Titans/SS. With 50% dodge, and 75% block, melee chars have a 12.5% chance to hit you.

To sum it all up, here's an interesting analogy I use when i play my zon to ensure maximum safety.

"You are a tank. You cannot defend your self and attack at the same time. Titans+SS is your armor and engine; your bow is your cannon. You open up your armor (press 'W') to shoot. As soon as you finish shooting, you close up your armor (press 'W' back to SS+Titans) and proceed forward)."

Basically when u move you always have your shield on. Why? Why not!?? If your going to move, might as well add 33% block then no block.

Please add your findings or any disagreements you have with my conclusions. Thx. CHEERS TO ZONS! WE WILL RULE ONCE AGAIN (only applies if u played 1.09... then u understand how zons were =P)

[gjcraig]

CHEERS TO ZONS! WE WILL RULE ONCE AGAIN (only applies if u played 1.09... then u understand how zons were =P)
lol I don't think I'll ever stop missing the piercing guided arrow :lol:

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i miss it too.... one time my friend an i debated whether a buriza was actually superior to a machine gun (for heavens sake its homing missiles and if u happen to miss for some reason it turns around and goes BACK!)

[Lokii_yUnJung]

ok.. so what's SS n what's BO ??

so nehowz.. i've been having trouble in Hell with my Javazon..
i wanted it to be a pure Javazon.. but i'm having second doubts.. ppl r saying to max Plague Javelin.. but i dunno..

so atm
i have a lvl 79 javazon

with maxed LF with +skills .. its at lvl 25
maxed CS (charged strike) with +skills its around lvl 25 as well..
Pierce is at around 65%
n.. Valk is at lvl 11..
Jab is at lvl 9ish ..

so atm.. i dunno what to max.. ?
ppl also have told me .. to max Lightning Strike.. with all the synergies maxed..i could still deal enough damage on the Lightning Immunes in Hell..

atm.. i don't see any change..
Lightning Strike is at lvl 1.. but with +skills.. its at lvl 6..

so i dunno.. plz give suggestions..

some stuff my Javazon is wearing is..

The Ward (shield)
Two Titan's Revenge on weapon switch as well..
Raven Frost x1
Manald Heal Ring x1
got 2x Dwarf Star Rings..
n a Peasant Hat with +1skill i think..

nehowz.. i was wondering.. what runeword would be suitable for me..

Fortitude? n .. Dream on Shield?

n for my merc.. Infinity?

so which.. ? u reckon.. Fortitude+Dream is an ok combo? or are there better ones?

plz give suggestions.. thx in advance :xsmile5:

[Lokii_yUnJung]

ok.. so what's SS n what's BO ??

so nehowz.. i've been having trouble in Hell with my Javazon..
i wanted it to be a pure Javazon.. but i'm having second doubts.. ppl r saying to max Plague Javelin.. but i dunno..

so atm
i have a lvl 79 javazon

with maxed LF with +skills .. its at lvl 25
maxed CS (charged strike) with +skills its around lvl 25 as well..
Pierce is at around 65%
n.. Valk is at lvl 11..
Jab is at lvl 9ish ..

so atm.. i dunno what to max.. ?
ppl also have told me .. to max Lightning Strike.. with all the synergies maxed..i could still deal enough damage on the Lightning Immunes in Hell..

atm.. i don't see any change..
Lightning Strike is at lvl 1.. but with +skills.. its at lvl 6..

so i dunno.. plz give suggestions..

some stuff my Javazon is wearing is..

The Ward (shield)
Two Titan's Revenge on weapon switch as well..
Raven Frost x1
Manald Heal Ring x1
got 2x Dwarf Star Rings..
n a Peasant Hat with +1skill i think..

nehowz.. i was wondering.. what runeword would be suitable for me..

Fortitude? n .. Dream on Shield?

n for my merc.. Infinity?

so which.. ? u reckon.. Fortitude+Dream is an ok combo? or are there better ones?

plz give suggestions.. thx in advance :xsmile5:


btw.. i have a bow.. well.. its Rune Wrath Bow i think? dun remember.. but its +3 to Guided Arrow , n got some life steal i think.. nehow.. so yeah.. it does quite good damage.. min dmg (forgot..) max (around 100-200ish?)

well yeh.. dunno what to do.. plz help..

[parama]

So far, I have concluded:

A powerful combonation (Which I credit to luis19 for the information) is to have SS and eth titans vs pallies. Along with your 45 ias helm [, and the 15 ias jewel i stuck in my SS] you will be throwing ITD spears of pure lightning dmg, at a quick rate. Knockback helps these keep pallies away immensly. Also you can jab other bowazons.





This used to be a pretty commoon setup for pvp bowazons in 1.09. Bow + titans/ss on switch with at least 1 point in jab. The only problem is the strength required to equip ss ( without equipping +str stuff first ofc) - points which could go to dex/life. Your ama has 100 str so how do you get enough to equip ss?
Also, with your setup, how much leech do you have? I assume you're using nos coil to reach the 95% bp (helm 45 + cats 20 + gloves 20 + ?), which is 5%ll but I guess no ml?
It's basically the restrictions on equipment choices for a gmb setup that i don't like ( if you're hoping to reach the 7fps bp ofc). A matri setup allows for greater flexibilty in pvm and pvp...

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lol my zon has eth titans (20), travs (10), nosferaut's coil (15), max ar str gc (5), 2 other max str gcs (2 and 4).

"This used to be a pretty commoon setup for pvp bowazons in 1.09. Bow + titans/ss on switch with at least 1 point in jab. The only problem is the strength required to equip ss ( without equipping +str stuff first ofc) - points which could go to dex/life. Your ama has 100 str so how do you get enough to equip ss?
Also, with your setup, how much leech do you have? I assume you're using nos coil to reach the 95% bp (helm 45 + cats 20 + gloves 20 + ?), which is 5%ll but I guess no ml?
It's basically the restrictions on equipment choices for a gmb setup that i don't like ( if you're hoping to reach the 7fps bp ofc). A matri setup allows for greater flexibilty in pvm and pvp..."

My mana leech comes from my 20 ias, kb, 3% ML gloves. And also, how does the flexibility change? The only think quite mandatory is the 10 ias from belt, and nosferatu makes a great belt anyways. Jab also is obsolete except vs bowazons because it doesnt hit much due to low AR.

Also guys... this is a thread about faith+fortitude. Not javazons.

[Jek]

And also, how does the flexibility change? The only think quite mandatory is the 10 ias from belt, and nosferatu makes a great belt anyways. Jab also is obsolete except vs bowazons because it doesnt hit much due to low AR.

You lose quite a bit flexibility... A mat bow only needs 50 IAS: Gloves, Ammy and a jewel. You need, 3 Jewels, Ammy, Glove and belt. Seems like elemental chars will simply butcher you. :-/

Also guys... this is a thread about faith+fortitude. Not javazons.

If it's an intergrated part of the strategy, it needs to be discussed. :-P

[parama]

lol my zon has eth titans (20), travs (10), nosferaut's coil (15), max ar str gc (5), 2 other max str gcs (2 and 4).

My mana leech comes from my 20 ias, kb, 3% ML gloves. And also, how does the flexibility change? The only think quite mandatory is the 10 ias from belt, and nosferatu makes a great belt anyways. Jab also is obsolete except vs bowazons because it doesnt hit much due to low AR.

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I'm thinking more of say t-gods/verdungos for lit abs/life.(i'm not too keen on slow on nos anyway) . Also you would have to stick with your 45 ias helm instead of coa or a nice ama circlet, for example. Having a decent fhr is imo quite important too ( but i guess this could be done in charms)
I agree with jab, those days are probably long gone, but if penetrate is maxed, isn't the jab ar still decent?
As to the str gcs....it seems a bit wasteful to use them just to equip ss, but then again, titans/storm switch is always useful.... although i'm not sure if it is effective... Against other bowazons sure, but if a melee char gets in range, they'll smite/zeal/ww you to death anyway...maybe others can testify to its effectiveness...

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ask luis19... titans+ss+lightning bolt is insane vs paladins to knock them back enough to fire more arrows. It always hits and its just stunning. As for more flexibility... all the extra str for CoA is not worth it. Elemental attacks are already missing 50% of the time if they connect and its very easy to dodge fireballs/blizzard etc. You have the range advantage and it's quite easy to fhr lock or blocklock sorcs.

Also, for the sake of reality, maxig penetrate so u can jab a little bit better is not worth it. Using either highly dging lightning bolts or even no dmging lightning bolts will knockback the pallies or druids enough so you can start firing arrows. Once you get a hold lock off screen... its almost over.

[Caerbannog]

Yeah if only I had a Faith I could test it.... or i could make a Widowmaker paladin with level 30ish Fanaticism and fortitude... hmmhmm ;)

Anyways I wanted to say umm... oh yeah, it's not the only thing that can shake the PvP scene, I could imagine some hoe sorceress with an Infinity polearm teleporting around with prebuffed Thunder Storm (would get the -lgt res, or not, I am a dumb newbie :( ). What else? Hmm... Phoenix/Grief/Enigma WW/Berserk barbs.... Phoenix/Grief/Enigma or Fortitude Smitedins.... all current casters with a +2 skills shield....

I found a Lo from a basket $$ yesterday and Fortitude added like 2k damage to my double throw barb.. it's a nice runeword. I gave the armor to my friend though :)

Wouldn't mind someone pimping my ladder zon up with a Faith though, I could do some testing :P

meeeeeerry xmas