Hey, guys, need help for a FAQ Im writing around infinity and Lightning Sorcs.

[semisonic9]

Infinity, Im sure you've all seen, has lvl 12 conviction and a -55% lightning resitsnce, for a total of -140% resitance.

Im building a FAQ based on using this and other gear to make the light sorc the most powerfull build in the game, a hammerdin beater for sure.

I plan on advising to use griffons, echutas or a Crescent Moon (I need to game test for raw numbers), and possibly an ormus if not anohter armor.

Will someone link me to a good explanation of how I can drop immunities and so forth, so I can reference it (yes, I will give credit) in my FAQ? I need the actual math.

Also, will anyone be able to withstand a total of -160% lightning resitance?

Thanks for the help guys, and look for my uber-light sorc soon!

[semisonic9]

Also, one more thing, a link or post about the cast rate on lightning would be good. What fcr breakpoints are required, still 105%?, and what the frames per second are....I know they are around here somewhere?

[Luckymofo]

Infinity, Im sure you've all seen, has lvl 12 conviction and a -55% lightning resitsnce, for a total of -140% resitance.

Im building a FAQ based on using this and other gear to make the light sorc the most powerfull build in the game, a hammerdin beater for sure.

I plan on advising to use griffons, echutas or a Crescent Moon (I need to game test for raw numbers), and possibly an ormus if not anohter armor.

Will someone link me to a good explanation of how I can drop immunities and so forth, so I can reference it (yes, I will give credit) in my FAQ? I need the actual math.

Also, will anyone be able to withstand a total of -160% lightning resitance?

Thanks for the help guys, and look for my uber-light sorc soon!

I don't know about the other questions, but the -55% to light resistance doesnt affect your sorc, only the merc. Also, you can use lower resist charge wands to lower their res. Lvl 2 lower resist lowers res by 37% while lvl 3 is 39%. Hope this helps...

[Pherdnut]

That FCR is going to be tough to hit with both your hand slots filled if you decide not to use the merc. And why Ormus? There must be something better. Ewww.

[Sherlock]

I don't know about the other questions, but the -55% to light resistance doesnt affect your sorc, only the merc.


This problem can be solved by making ur Infinity Merc do real Lightning Damage of course ! How, you ask ?

Very simlpe !

Give him Helm with Dream RW (Shields+Helms) in it :

Io+Jah+Pul

Dream
3 Socket Helms/Shields
Io + Jah + Pul
10% Chance to Cast Level 15 Confuse When Struck
Level 15 Holy Shock Aura When Equipped
+22% Faster Hit Recovery (varies)
+44% Enhanced Defense (varies)
+205 Defense
+10 to Vitality
Increase Maximum Life 5%
+(x Per Character Level) +58 (Based on Character Level)
All Resistances +14 (varies)
25% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items

Holy Shock on Lvl 15 , does, as per Blizzard :

Effect: Periodically does Lightning damage to enemies within a radius.

Lvl 15 :
Radius X Yards : 13,3
Lightning Damage Added To Attack : 1-648
Lightning Damage To Nearby Monsters : 1-108

So with Infinity which gives -all resists + -Lightning Res, this Merc wearing Dream helm will actually do Lightning Damage on his own and on that way there will be use for that mod, -55 to LR !

Good luck with your FAQ !


PS I am not sure if this Merc wears Etheral Ormus Robe (socketed with Light Facet 5/5/die of course ), will the +to Light Skill damage also influence the Light damage from Holy Shock, this have to be checked !

[MarkN]

The best thing is: get a Dream hat + shield, and youll get a LEVEL 30 lightning shock!!

max lightning mastery and add maybe even thunderstorm, and youre in business. :)

[DrunkCajun]

The best thing is: get a Dream hat + shield, and youll get a LEVEL 30 lightning shock!!

max lightning mastery and add maybe even thunderstorm, and youre in business. :)

Actually, since its an aura that is activated when equipped, rather than a +15 Holy Shock Aura skill, they won't stack.

[melianor]

Actually, since its an aura that is activated when equipped, rather than a +15 Holy Shock Aura skill, they won't stack.

I can only concur with this. Guys, CHECK YOUR FACTS before you get all excited about the new runewords.......

[semisonic9]

I have several thoughts on that. I was not for sure if a mercs -resists applied to the caster or not, I was under the impression that they did. Can anyone else help confirm that they do not?

In that case, I would advocate the sorc holding the spear, but not necessarily an elite one! Who needs hand to hand damage, you just need to be able to hold the bleeping thing! Put it into a 4 socket exceptional spear, low str req, and you'll still be pulling ahead. Also, did anyone else note the "50% chance to cast level 20 chain lightning WHEN YOU KILL AN ENEMY?" mod? Yowsa! :clap:

Reproduced here, so you guys can see what Im talking about.
Infinity:
50% Chance To Cast Level 20 Chain Lightning When You Kill An Enemy
Level 12 Conviction Aura When Equipped
+35% Faster Run/Walk
+255-325% Enhanced Damage (varies)
-55% To Enemy Lightning Resistance
40% Chance of Crushing Blow
Prevent Monster Heal
0.5-49.5 To Vitality (Based on Character Level)
30% Bettle Chance of Getting Magic Items
Level 21 Cyclone Armor (30 Charges)

Throw on a Griffons eye, faceted for the uber-rich, and you'll still tear through minions. The cyclone armor would be very helpfull to the sorceress as well, and was wasted on the merc.

For a merc, hmmm, still an act 2 holy freeze merc, so he can benefit from the -resists, and I'd say skip the Doom weapon in favor of one of the other new runewords, perhaps the one with meditation in it?

Yes, you would lose, ideally, +5 to skills (occy/eschutas and spirit) and some fcr, plus +20% (max) damage from eschutas, but the -resists are what your really after here. -140% + -20% from your helm is pretty smokin! You could also keep the other setup on switch, if you want.

WHat would be better for armor, IYHO? Seriously, my sorcs are always wearing 3 Tals for MF, so I usually keep the armor on....

[melianor]

Conviction only works at 1/5th effectiveness against immunes. Meaning that there are still quite some coldimmune monsters left, especially the important ones, like bosses.

When that lvl Chain Lightning is cast, nothing like you LM or synergies are applied. Its just lvl20 Chain Lightning. Even with a Griffons or other -xx% lightning resistance gear the damage you get will just scratch a monster, nothing else.

And yes, any -xx% fire/lightning/cold resistance gear that your Merc wears ONLY works for him. When you utilize the same with Cold Mastery or Griffons it also ONLY works for your Sorceress and not your Merc or other players.
This is a property that is applied at the moment when damage is dealt by the character holding such an item.

[semisonic9]

When that lvl Chain Lightning is cast, nothing like you LM or synergies are applied. Its just lvl20 Chain Lightning. Even with a Griffons or other -xx% lightning resistance gear the damage you get will just scratch a monster, nothing else. .

Yeah, but the build I now envision had the following going for it.

A) constant lightning damage onscreen. Sure, a lvl 20 CL only does 1-128 damage..but it hits 9 times after I kill 1 out of every 2 guys! And the lowered resists, plus Holy Freeze from my merc, means bad guys are frozen and taking a good deal of "passive" damage.

B) Serios lightning damage! Assuming a VERY modest +4 to skills, you do 31-22k damage from one lightning bolt, up to DOUBLED because of the lower resists! CL is doing 18-9k damage, and ave of 4.5kx2 =9k a hitx11 hits=99k damage in seconds! WHooha boy! :thumbsup:

C) merc variation. If you dont like holy freeze, this build has the most to benefit from another type of merc. Perhaps this opens up the possibility of seeig more barb/rogue/caster type mercs? With the meditation runeoword on one, this also opens up the opportunity for a strong ES without much investment in Warmth, etc. You will, after all, have +3-10 lightning skillers...hmmm.... or the one that auto-casts enchant and lowers fire resist may be a good choice. Or put a Doom axe on a prayer merc, and dont worry about leach or anything again while keeping a strong elemental approach!

infinity+light sorc=LOTS OF POSSIBILITIES!


And yes, any -xx% fire/lightning/cold resistance gear that your Merc wears ONLY works for him.

That sux, good to find it out here before I wrote the blippin guide. TY mucho!

[melianor]

B) Serios lightning damage! Assuming a VERY modest +4 to skills, you do 31-22k damage from one lightning bolt, up to DOUBLED because of the lower resists! CL is doing 18-9k damage, and ave of 4.5kx2 =9k a hitx11 hits=99k damage in seconds! WHooha boy! :thumbsup:


With Griffons that would make sense, even loosing the shield slot MAYBE.
Still not really convinced. Max-block is not possible that way.
There is no resists on that runeword either, so you would have to compensate elswhere. Also the price for that runeword is pretty steep :)

[Miladys-Knight]

This rune word seems letter made for the Executress if she's a pole arm weilder. Also IIRC lower resist charges from a wand and conviction stack.....

[Sherlock]

Hmm just found a problem with combination Infinity+Dream for Merc. Problem is that no leech/IAS is available so it must come from armour !

Chains of Honour would be nice with 8LL, + Skills etc but it misses IAS.

Other solutions would be either :

1. Blood crafted Hellforge Plate as it has LL as fixed mode. There is also possibility of 2 sockets if you are lucky enough to get Mechanic or Artisan prefix (forgot which one gives 2), otherwise larzuking the armour would be aslo solution for 1 socket for IAS+something jewel

2.Boneflash Plate Mail for 5 LL, need to be upgraded and larzuked for IAS+something

3. skin of the flayed one - ntg special I can see except LL

4. Hwanin armour - no LL, but nice life bonus (+100) and chance to cast Static Field could be very interesting combined with Conv and -LR from Infinity, and it also can be socketed . On Blizz web page they say abt SF :

"Static Field is Lightning damage, and can be resisted through Lightning Resistance.
Static Field is not affected by Conviction and Lower Resist"

I cant undesratnd this one, does that mean that Conviction will not do anything if SF from Hwanin is triggered ??? Maybe someone can explain !

[MarkN]

I am 100% sure that a dream hat and shield will get you a lvl 30 holy shock.
If you have multiple items with the same aura, the slvls do add.

Try it if you don't beleive me.

[MrScythes]

Remember that conviction will only break some immunities. I did the math for cold res, but you'll get the idea after seeing this: http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=291767 (with cold infinity only breaks 12 immunes of a total 88 cold immunes in the game). So I don't hope your thinking of breaking a lot of immunes with Infinity.

[Liessa Wyrmbane]

Actually, since its an aura that is activated when equipped, rather than a +15 Holy Shock Aura skill, they won't stack.
I can only concur with this. Guys, CHECK YOUR FACTS before you get all excited about the new runewords.......
Actually, they do stack. (source: tech gurus at Amazon Basin).

[Jek]

Actually, they do stack. (source: tech gurus at Amazon Basin).

Will they also stack with already activated aura? Like the mercs or players?

I'd love to see Pride stacking +16 concentration on hammerdins. :-P

[semisonic9]

TY for the chart on the resists.

Anyone have any data o the FCR breakpoints for lightning? Do they remain the same?

Also, Im thinking a act 2 prayer merc with the meditation runeword would help survivability greatly, if not killing speed. Might/Doom is still an option, as are others. I like the one witha chance to cast enchant, seems nifty.

[dnmorton]

According to Thrugg (whom I have no reason to doubt and many reasons not to) auras given by items (IE dream) stack with eachother, but NOT with actual skills. That means 2xDream gives lvl30 HS, but 2xDream + lvl20 HS does not mean lvl50HS active. The question remains whether your native lvl1 HS overrides a Dream HS. I'm not so sure on that one.

[semisonic9]

OK, guys, Im gonna ebay and build her this break. WTH, Ill be in Mass. with the fiance's family anyway, so boredom will be rampant while snowed in Im sure. Ill let you know how some of it goes!

Also, could someone answer the fcr question plz? Thanks!

[Dennis_KoreanGuy]

Give Infinity to your merc...

What do you mean, "a sure hammerdin beater" I have a lightning sorc and she owns ALL hammerdins unless they stack... Or is that what you meant?

- Dennis :xflash: