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Tron_40
07-12-2004, 11:35
2 questions

1. are fireb sorcs viable for running hell meph?

2. If so what should my skill points look like....max FM, fb, meteor, tk,????

Full_Circle
07-12-2004, 14:20
1. A friend of mine runs hell meph with a fire sorc, and he seems to do well, so I would say it's viable. I'm not sure if it's as good as cold, but it does work.

2. If you're using Fire Ball as your main spell, you're better off going with:

20 Firebolt
20 Fireball
20 Meteor
20 TK
1 Fire Mastery

...as Fireball gains more synergy damage per point in Firebolt or Meteor than it does from Mastery.

PhatTrumpet
07-12-2004, 14:40
That's not how it works. Mastery enhances the synergized damage value, while the synergy bonus itself only applies to the base Fireball damage. Also, this is more obvious, but Mastery bonus is affected by +skills while synergies are not.

So if you have any idea what I'm talking about then you realize that at some point the Mastery bonus overtakes the synergy bonus. I actually did out spreadsheets for Fireball, Chain Lightning, and Blessed Hammers. For Fireball, the general rule for maximum damage is:

The number of points invested in Fireball synergies should be ten to eleven more than your current slvl Fire Mastery with +skills.

So if you've already maxed Fireball you'll want to keep [points in Meteor] + [points in Fire Bolt] - [displayed slvl Fire Mastery] = 10 or 11, depending on your clvl. Usually you'll just want to max Fireball and Meteor with one point in Mastery and Firebolt, and then worry about how you place your points into Mastery and Firebolt.

thamuzdevil
07-12-2004, 14:57
Youre a good man (or woman) trumpet. When i made my fire sorc, I made her straight up major fire damage... in the end she died, but boy the damage she did! maxed firebolt, fireball, meteor, FM... Made a leaf and was set, til she died :( lol... happens when you live straight-out offense.

Valar-Wrath
07-12-2004, 15:51
My friend had a pure fire sorc with all maxed fire damage like thamuzdevil's. I sure hope you don't plan on running andy though because there are many FI's and it's a pain. If you just want to do meph, fire sorc's work just fine.

Andy has dropped me snarko and tgod's and stuff so I would suggest making a build that can do her also. But if you're just interested in meph, fire sorc's are viable.

Ankeli
07-12-2004, 17:02
andy shouldnt prove to be too much of a trouble either. tele to avoid the packs and fb andy away, it wont take more than 4-5 to take her down, then just tele away from her body, lure the ooglies there and tele to get the stuff. works. :)

LuckyDwarf
07-12-2004, 20:31
Pretty poor fire sorcs have trouble with hell andy, but if you can just teleport like.. half a screen infront of her, away from the fallen packs, you can blast fireballs in her face and literally drop her in seconds. If you're wealthy then fire is the way to go with her, but honestly, I'd rather use an orb sorc on her, regardless of my item base. Just use the trick and she'll drop in about 3 orbs.

Lucky

stevethatsmyname
08-12-2004, 02:36
what trick?

Stimm
08-12-2004, 03:18
You get far enough back so the orb spreads out in her. Takes me 3 orbs to drop her solo +1 per player in game. Andy is my personal favorite for mf. The path down isnt as bad as Dur2 monster wise nor size wise. She also dropped me 4 shakos in 3 days and tons of jewelry ( though not one of the rings was a SOJ)

Tron_40
08-12-2004, 03:52
well meph is plan overall....so my real question now i guess is fm or firebolt... then general sound of it is 1 fm and 1 in bolt....max ball metero and tk...then worry about the rest?


that sound about right?????

plz let me know im only at lvl 21 with all my points left....

det
08-12-2004, 07:53
Hum Hum...Lv 76 in Hell act 2, planning to run Meph eventually. I am quite happy with my meteorb sorc, as she can not only kill all Fallen in Andys Chamber, but also drop Andy fast.

20 Fireball, 20 Orb, 10 CM and about 30 spread out in Firebold, Meteor and FM. She is doing pretty well, but she also solos a lot, no idea how she would be in a game with more ppl. Obviously I am dangerously lacking points in TK or TP...which I currently try to make up with: Full res, max block, SS and 105 FCR.

I am aware it is not an optimized build to run a single Boss...but I like to be able to kill more than 75% of all monsters. Even FI/CI can be taken care of now by merc.

Thanks for the insight, Phat..very valuable...

PhatTrumpet
08-12-2004, 13:41
well meph is plan overall....so my real question now i guess is fm or firebolt... then general sound of it is 1 fm and 1 in bolt....max ball metero and tk...then worry about the rest?


that sound about right?????

plz let me know im only at lvl 21 with all my points left....
I already addressed this in my first post.