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Riebs

06-12-2004, 20:28

I'm tired of it all. As much of me that wants to keep going...its getting to be utter ********. I had a necro no higher than level 21 die on me today. I'll give everyone 3 guesses and two you dont get. TPPK :xx: OMG I HATE IT SO MUCH. Last 2 characters I've started died to tppk. I can't even handle how OUT OF HAND Blizzard is letting all this get. There has got to be some major f*cking changes, before I want to play D2 again. OMG, it's just horrible. Then, if I'm not getting TPPK'd I'm so worried about it that a monster kills me. I don't even know what to do.

So, guess all I'm saying is that, I want to play, my hearts there, but TPPK is just so out of hand. EVERYONE has it. Baal runs are impossible, hell even trist runs are getting hard :xrollseye its ridulous. I don't know. I think I might give it one more shot...but I don't want to have the same FATE again.

I dunno....thnx for everyone listen to me rant for a few minutes.

And just to comment...I'm not complaining about dieing, I understand the risks of playing HC, I'm complaining because the reason I died was to pathetic hackers...

Oxy

06-12-2004, 20:32

Sorry to see you go.

I've done ~100 hell/nm/norm baal runs, and I've never died to TPPK. Some of these were with a 700 life necro, or a 500 life sorc, or even a 700 life druid.

Stimm

06-12-2004, 21:06

Ive played D2 for far too long and I have never died to TPPK. All you need to avoid it is a friend list and some patience. Impatience to level up as fast you can is the biggest reason TPPK is so common. If people actually played the game you wouldnt need to do 100s of baal runs to advance to the next difficulty. Once you get to hell baal , all you need is a couple friends and you can do them easily and safetly or you could go for fast runs and die to TPPK.

NEUROSHOCKED

06-12-2004, 21:12

Come to West for change :lol:

0takuPryd3

06-12-2004, 21:14

Or just play sorcs so you can do solo runs awesome!

Jules

06-12-2004, 22:41

Can anyone comment on the status of tppk on each realm is there more tppk on east then any other realm...which is the safest and friendliest realm..sorry to invade the thread i was just wondering i might want to switch realms ^ ^

Mkillerh

06-12-2004, 22:45

I've seen like no tppk's in uswest, maybe that occasional time, but i usually survive. I can accually baal with feeling a bit more secure! Watch out for chant games, lots o pk's in there, equip a nokozan relic and hotspur buts, then just insult people because they cant kill you (95 fire res :xmad: ) Other then that, no pk's, exept in pk games... if you count that. (dam guided arrow zons at level 18, or multi shot :xbeard: )

Prez

06-12-2004, 22:55

No sympathy here.

Keep doing the same things and you'll get the same results.

Or as John Wayne would say.."Life is tough, it's tougher when you are stupid"

So...you can change your play style or just quit.

Prez

PhatTrumpet

06-12-2004, 23:16

Europe usually has the least of anything bad, TPPK included. Although it still exists over there, and your ping will be a couple hundred higher.

madman68

06-12-2004, 23:29

Two words:

Amazon Basin

http://www.theamazonbasin.com/d2/faq.php

Valar-Wrath

06-12-2004, 23:33

rachil0

07-12-2004, 01:20

Keep doing the same things and you'll get the same results.

I think there's a saying "Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results."

I'm sorry you died regardless.

Stimm

07-12-2004, 07:09

I think there's a saying "Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results."

I'm sorry you died regardless.

I love that quote , never head it before but I love it! I think I just found a future sig

Stimm

07-12-2004, 07:13

As Stinger would say, "Greed Kills" and Stimm hit it dead on, if you played through the game you woundn't have to do countless Baals runs and a way less chance of getting tppk'd. Also gather some friends and you can do some private baal runs. I would be happy to baal with you if you ever messaged me as I would with anyone.

Sorry about your loss but live and learn, don't make the same mistake twice.

Just an add on note to my original post. I leveled a sorceress from 42 to its current level of 88 without the aid of one public baal run. I never did a nm baal run till I could do them solo and ive probably done 7 hells with a couple friends and thats it. Every other level has been from nm andy/meph and PSE runs till i was 75 then I leveled doing hell andy runs then ancient tunnels then meph

rachil0

07-12-2004, 11:53

According to:

http://en.thinkexist.com/quotation/insanity-doing_the_same_thing_over_and_over_again/15511.html

The quote is attributed to albert einstein.

(no wonder he didn't like quantum mechanics!)

Another one I liked, from the same page:

"Reality is just an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." - A.E. too

NEUROSHOCKED

07-12-2004, 12:36

There are alot less TPPK / PK once you pass NM. Alot less people PK on hell baal game. Expect this stupid B*tch Rite-Thur IB TPPK in hell baal runs :lol: .

evils

07-12-2004, 12:51

trust me, blizzard are way to busy working on the current WoW issues than to adress anything remotely related to diablo2.. i mean come on.. they promised you a hack-free environment come 1.10 but did you get it? nope, niet, nein, nej, ie.. we have fishing bots in WoW.. guess what they did to "disable" the use of those? they removed fishing from the higher level areas.. GG blizzard, way to punish all the legit players because some fags cant stay away from bots..

//Johnny

thamuzdevil

07-12-2004, 13:58

Haha then the answer is to simply disable Mephisto and Pindle :D

And riebs man, youre on my flist, you gotta quit doin pub games. solo is a great way to go. and of course stay out of the line of fire of tppkers if you are in a pubby... I always go behind minions, or to the side, away from where a potential tppker is shooting.

Havent been tppked in a while, and i took it for the team then - was level 42 pa'ing some friends through norm d and a zon came in... they tped up while i took some ga's... slightly disappointing, but only level 42 :D I can bring a character to 60 or 70 in a matter of 24-48 hours, and do it with a busy schedule... so thats like workin on em for 6 hours within that time frame... its doable, i have done it many times before :D best things are to grab a bow, join a chant game, watch out for the pk right when you get the chant, and then leave the party and go to some obscure area by yourself and clear it til chant runs out

HelzCaretaker

07-12-2004, 14:19

no offense meant but getting tppk'd is your fault. Its quite easy to spot potential tppkers by their classes/lvls and their actions. Soloing is a viable option, I've solo'd my fury and wind druids (with a few wp help) through hell and I'm going to start soloing my psn nec soon. If you are worried about tppk then just solo, also you'll almost never run into the traditional pker since they won't go after someone that won't party to reveal his/her location and also won't be lvling/questing in typical games.

Riebs

07-12-2004, 15:14

Thanks for not flamming this thread to a burning hell.

But anyhow. I am going to have to say that, Yes getting TPPK'dwas my fault, for being impatient and knowing someone was a TPPK but the greediness for levels overcame the fear of TPPK. So yea that was my fault. BUT THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE MY FAULT. There shouldn't be no TPPK. It's horribly ridiculous. 1.10 was supposed to bring a hack-free enviroment, but Blizzard got lazy and D2 players were **** on once again.

So Neuro I love you idea and I never would of that of it. West is like my home away from home. So, if you can honestly say that TPPK is less over there, I will probably consider coming over and staying a while :thumbsup:

~Riebz

turnips

07-12-2004, 16:22

NEUROSHOCKED

07-12-2004, 16:30

Yay!!! :clap:
Here are my accts you can reach me at *Dpg- / *Dpg / *O0tp <-- Ozerotp
I'm have lvl 15 sorc that I currently working on, maybe you wanna tag along. So, my friend grab a beer or OJ and let the journey to wild wild West began :xgrin:

Riebs

07-12-2004, 16:51

Valar-Wrath

07-12-2004, 16:56

I hate quitting threads.

See the hate thread. My thoughts exactly :)

cougar

07-12-2004, 17:18

no offense meant but getting tppk'd is your fault.

In my opinion that's very poor logic. I'd think it's the person who did it's fault. It's like blaming the victim's of crimes that it's there fault they were "at the wrong place at the wrong time." If someone get's stolen from.. murdered.. *****... do we just look at them and say, "well, that's your own fault for being in that situation" or do we place the blame on the people who actually did it.

"In the case of 1st degree murder, we the jury decide not guilty, under the pretenses that it was the victim's own fault."

Extreme cases i know, but the same logic applies.

I paid for the game.. I shouldn't be forced into one playing style(soloing) if you don't want to play that way. Place blame where blame is due, not people who just want to play the way they best enjoy playing (under the pretences of the rules of course).

And quitting threads are the coolest!! (*covering own **** but hey, at least i had a giveaway??)

annr

07-12-2004, 18:32

Valar-Wrath

07-12-2004, 18:45

In my opinion that's very poor logic. I'd think it's the person who did it's fault. It's like blaming the victim's of crimes that it's there fault they were "at the wrong place at the wrong time." If someone get's stolen from.. murdered.. *****... do we just look at them and say, "well, that's your own fault for being in that situation" or do we place the blame on the people who actually did it.

"In the case of 1st degree murder, we the jury decide not guilty, under the pretenses that it was the victim's own fault."

Extreme cases i know, but the same logic applies.

I paid for the game.. I shouldn't be forced into one playing style(soloing) if you don't want to play that way. Place blame where blame is due, not people who just want to play the way they best enjoy playing (under the pretences of the rules of course).

And quitting threads are the coolest!! (*covering own **** but hey, at least i had a giveaway??)

It is the tppker's fault of course. For they are the one's who actually killed the person's character but IMO partial blame should be put on the person who was tppk'd because if you have played this game for a decent amount of time it isn't hard to notice a bad situation and get yourself out of it, simply by exiting the game. Of course you can't blame someone who is new to the game for being tppk'd because they don't know about it as much as we do.

I play in pubbies ALL the time, as much as I hate it. I have only been tppk'd once or twice since I started this game. So it is not impossible to play in pubbies and be isolated to private games, you just have to be aware of situations and know how to avoid them.

And please don't relate D2 to real life murders. Really it is just a game as much as people have heard that. IMO it is disrespectful to compare a video game to a person's murder even if you aren't being specific about the situation.

cougar

07-12-2004, 19:06

That would be why i said

"extreme cases yes, but the logic still applies"

Im not applying the situation, but im applying the logic.

Cleglaw_Himself

07-12-2004, 20:27

So, if you can honestly say that TPPK is less over there,
~Riebz:lol: ? Are you serious?

West has all the evil bonecros.

Valar-Wrath

07-12-2004, 20:30

That would be why i said

"extreme cases yes, but the logic still applies"

Im not applying the situation, but im applying the logic.

Sorry Cougar, didn't see that part. My bad.

...I hate when I do that...

turnips

07-12-2004, 22:18

I agree with Helz. I know the following logic may appear to be flawed but if you think about it, it makes sense. I know that Cougar has said that TPPK being your fault is like saying that if you cross the street when the walk sign comes up and get crushed by an 18-wheeler that has faulty brakes it's your fault. But I think for the context of D2 it's different and reasonable logic.

Although TPPK is a hack, when you die in hardcore there's always a choice you make (a bad one) that causes your character's death. For instance, I once drank 9 beers and was feeling quite awake when I got home so I decided that MF'ing in hell was a good idea. Of course I payed for it...well...my sorc did. My bad choice was playing when I was drunk, Rieb's and countless other people's bad choice is playing in a public game.

I know that joining a public game shouldn't be an automatic death sentence but any D2 player with some experience knows that TPPK'ers exist, and that they're taking a risk just by being in the same screen as another person they don't know. TPPK exists, therefore it is another thing you should be wary of when playing hardcore...I'm not saying TPPK is acceptable, but it's there, and if you die to it, it IS your fault since you can take steps to avoid it, unlike an 18-wheeler that has no brakes.

Hopefully this makes sense to someone! (I just indulged in some lucky lager to celebrate the completion of my final essay of the semester) BTW, Helzcaretaker got my accounts in case people on my /f l are wondering...my girlfriend has my D2 CD and I ain't coming back. Actually, I think she melted it!

Kretschmer

07-12-2004, 23:20

It's pretty easy to avoid TPPK. But I'm still phasing out my HC playing. Why? I shouldn't have to play like an antisocial bastard 24/7. I want to be able to play with any class, allowing their unique skills to complement the party. Bone necros are useful. Wind druids are useful. Why should I have to forgo depth of play?

It's not that big of a concern. So far, I've only lost one crappy, crappy zon. That's not bad for years of playing. It's just the principle of the matter that bothers me. I play D2 to be cooperative, not frustratingly parinoid.

Of course there's a flip side. I've just started my first softcore character in years and can already tell that the average skill level on SCL is even lower than that of HCL. Plus, play loses a lot of the fun without the finality of HC. I'm worried that my D2 acumen will ebb away and I'll lose my edge. So the experiment continues. My two characters-one HC one SC-serve different purposes. HC is there for when I want a more solid style of play, and feeling like soloing. SC is there for when I want to kick back and play with other people.

/f playing might be an option, but I don't like tying my progress to that of others.

It's a shame, too. Climbing to the elite echelon in the first few weeks of HCL season one was the most fun I've had with a mouse and keyboard. But in today's battle.net, HC is a losing proposition. Co-op play or intensity? I wish we could have both.

cougar

08-12-2004, 00:04

'm not saying TPPK is acceptable, but it's there, and if you die to it, it IS your fault since you can take steps to avoid it, unlike an 18-wheeler that has no brakes.

There are a couple differences that i see. One being, faulty brakes are an accident, an unplanned mishap. Therefore it really isn't anyone's fault that it happened, there really isn't any blame to be placed in the scenario.

But sticking with the logic that you can't take steps to avoid an 18 wheeler without brakes. Well, you made the decision to cross the street, you know there's a possibility of a car not stopping and rocking your world, but you do it anyways. So is it your fault that you decided to cross? Well, in that particular case it's no ones fault since there was really no malicious intent from anyone, just a freak occurence.

If someone is going to tppk you, there is malicious intent from there side, while you're just minding your own business. Say if the truck had brakes, the guy just didn't like the looks of your suit and wanted to crush you. I think we blame the guy with the intent to do harm, rather than the person who just wanted to get across the street instead of just telling them "well, there were other routes you could take to get to your destination without crossing a street where you know you could possibly be harmed"

There are alternatives possibly to crossing a street, but pretty much all of them aren't as efficient or accomadating as crossing it.

Sure there are alternatives to pub games, but some people just flat out don't enjoy soloing. Or dont meet a lot of people to game with on-line. Myself, im a pub guy; always have been, always will be. In pretty much every on-line game i've played i've preferred pubs over private games.

I suppose from a logic standpoint, running pub baals in a nightmare game is more dangerous than crossing a city intersection. The risk definitely increases, but I think the principle still rings true.

Meh, maybe I'm just bitter cause it's pretty much made D2 a worthless pile for me. I got my time out of it(and then some) but I can't really afford a different game right now, and I've been pretty bored lately.(only 3 more months, only 3 more months, only 3 more months)

oh and valar, no prob bro. Things often get misunderstood over message boards, I do it all the time =D.

Will

08-12-2004, 07:08

I quit silently, maybe I should make a quitting thread too; feel sorry for me too!

I hate quitting threads.

Riebs, you quit yesterday and now you're going to west. I'm happy that you'll have fun but I really wish these "quitting" threads would go away. At least break your CD or delete all your accounts before writing a quit thread next time please.

What he said. I haven't played D2 in well over three monthes but I didn't make a "quit" thread. I think thats stupid and pointless, especially considering 95% of the time the person always comes back, like the addicted loser they are. Me, personally, I think I really did kick the habit this time. I just got sick and tired of Blizzard flat out lying or manipulating things. Where the **** are my 23 new runewords I was promised? WoW costs you $15.00 a month, yet they are already having bot problems on it. And as someone said, they are handling the issues very poorly. Blizz will NEVER see another cent from me again. Viva la Microsoft.....nah, screw Microsoft as well.

Cleglaw_Himself

08-12-2004, 08:43

especially considering 95% of the time the person always comes back, like the addicted loser they are. Nothing wrong with addicted losers...

Will

08-12-2004, 10:01

Nothing wrong with addicted losers...

Certainly not. I'm one myself to many things, D2, formerly, included. :P

Haplon

08-12-2004, 11:45

See the hate thread. My thoughts exactly :)

I hate threads about hating quitting threads.

HelzCaretaker

08-12-2004, 12:22

couger if you want parralells heres some:
getting murdered in your home compared to d2: you'd be playing in a private game someone would hack the pw and kill you in it sound like tppk? NO!
getting murdered by a friend/family member to d2: you're playing with a friend and they backstab and kill you, sounds self explanatory.
getting mugged/shot in the street compared to d2: you knowingly put yourself in danger by walking in the said street with less then friendly conditions so it is your fault for being there, same applies to pk/tppkers.

Comparing d2 to real life = stupid.

Anyways playing public games is simple you put yourself in danger, dirty tp's legit pks and yes tppkers are part of public games. It is a hack and they are pansies to use it but then again, so are all those mhing chicken kiddies out there. Its your responsibility to watch your own back when playing in public, if you don't realize what a tppker is or how to identify them, then you should either learn fast or get repeatedly killed. Remember Darwin or the saying fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me? If you get tppk'd once its not uncommon, you usually don't realize what a tppker really is or how to identify them. But the 2nd time its Darwinism the weaker/stupider creatures/people are the ones that repeatedly get tppk'd or regular pk'd.

And if you are considering crossing a street make sure to look both ways, wait for the lights and yes if somethig big and fast is coming your way run as fast as you can to get out of the way. Applying that to d2, a weak tppk bowazon is of no concern to my tank characters I simply laugh at their pathetic dmg, and vs bone necs you can just run away from spirits don't let some1 cast spirits at you its just stupid.

slick4hire

08-12-2004, 14:20

In my opinion that's very poor logic. I'd think it's the person who did it's fault. It's like blaming the victim's of crimes that it's there fault they were "at the wrong place at the wrong time." If someone get's stolen from.. murdered.. *****... do we just look at them and say, "well, that's your own fault for being in that situation" or do we place the blame on the people who actually did it.

"In the case of 1st degree murder, we the jury decide not guilty, under the pretenses that it was the victim's own fault."

Extreme cases i know, but the same logic applies.

It is the same logic, but you left a few key details out. Details such as standing in a known high crime area (Baal runs) with an open box of 100 dollar bills, while wearing a sign that says "rob me" (not enough life for the area, rushed there, chars with low life like sorcs/necros, etc.). Then, when a deaperately-in-need-of-a-fix, weapon-wielding crackhead is walking in your direction (Zon, Necro, etc. with suspect builds, gear, etc.), you turn your back on him (party up and focus on minions). Now, tell me again why you got robbed (TPPK'd)?

So yes, being TPPK'd IS someones own fault. When you start that Baal Run, you have rolled the dice. And, as in D & D, each time you roll the dice a fumble is possible. Is that the dices fault? Or the game itself? Nope...

cougar

08-12-2004, 18:35

Comparing d2 to real life = stupid.

Not using reading comprehension = stupid.

The parallel is in the logic behind the situation, not the act itself. Read more closely next time please.

and slick, yeah that is a very valid point, I will admit that. But it doesn't, in my eyes, allow me to blame the victim. The only 100% way of not getting tppk'ed is playing privately. There are peculiarities in many situations, and no system you go by in a pub is gonna be 100% effective. I think it's short sighted to call anyone who gets tppk'ed stupid. I briefly touched on the risk factor in my second post.

I played very very cautiously in pubs but still got hit by it a couple times(died once).