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nafsasp

06-12-2004, 16:37

Tao_of_Xero

06-12-2004, 16:52

HC FAQ=Your best friend. Clicky http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=126737

1. Yes summoner necros are safe.Boring,but safe.

2.Frenzy Barbs are a favorite of mine, just watch out for IM. And NM FE monsters can kill one hit, so be warned.

3.Things in HC are different from SC,even the trading. Certain things have more value in HC than they do in sissycore. Swing by the trade forums and you'll get an idea of what's valuable.

Good luck and welcome to the forums.

P.S. Asking for items is a no-no.

Oxy

06-12-2004, 16:56

Hi there.

First off, welcome to the hardcore forums. Here we will try to lure you into numerous untwinked teams, ghastly discussions about TPPKing (explained later in this post) and perhaps, when you grow nearer, the fine art of killing people! That's right, PKing.

So begins the first chapter of what is important in hardcore. You've only got one life, and there are some of us here (including myself) that like to take advantage of that and make the game just a teeny bit more interesting.

There are two types of PKs (player-killers) as I see it:

Legit and non-legit. Most of the b.net population that are PKs are non-legit. Most of this forum's population that are PKs are legit.

The difference: non-legit people use different programs (maphack/TPPK, mostly) to kill you. Legit people usually try to kill you while politely hostiling you while in town, waiting 10 seconds until the timer has gone down, and then hunting you down.

I've no doubt you've heard of maphack, but TPPK could be a different story:

TPPK = Town Portal PK. Basically, the character (could be any class with a ranged attack) fires off a ranged attack, and by use of a script (hack) quickly casts a town portal, enters it, and hostiles in town. Say a necromancer casts 10 bone spirits at you and launches TPPK (.load!!), and you have low life... you've just received your deeds of valor :]

If it is, however, a legit PK, I think you should be even more afraid. If you're at all sane, don't fight them. If you're a level eighty barbarian and a level 39 Paladin hostiles you... heh. Suffice it to say you'll get your head served on a platter. Even a level thirty or so can take out a level ninety sorceress if built properly.

My own druid dueler, level 48, has 4.4k life, does 4k fury damage (without might), and fluxed a level 88 sorceress in NM baals (woot first duel! :D)

Know the important levels. I hope someone else can elaborate on this. Read the HC FAQ for more info.

Onto a more joyous side of hardcore.

The economy.

PGems = all, IMO, especially if you're starting out. PGems = any item that's worth less than pul. Even then I think you could get a Shako for PGems (300 or so! :D).

So, gather up pgems and check the hardcore trading forums on dii.net. There are almost always new PGem for items topics (my own hellslayer hasn't sold for 10 pgems yet :/)

I guess, runes are of importance. Do your nm/hell forges, don't give em' away for rushes.

Also, seemingly useless items such as +9 max jewels, +15 max jewels, nokozan's, eth claws for lvl 9, eth bonesnap, eth spires, are all useful for LLD/MLD (Low and Mid level dueling).

Play style:

Max resists. If at all possible, max block (whitstan's guard). Max resists. Max block. And, max resists. Then, if you see a +10 life charm, use it til' you're level 99.

Be paranoid. If I'm not sure my char can bust everything the **** up where I'm going, I'm not gonna go there. If I have an inkling of a feeling, that this Paladin or Zon, or Necro, or Sorc, or Druid will TPPK me, even if this is a great NM baal run, I'll leave. Better save and exit and live another day.

If I were you, I'd make one of the following characters:

Wind druid
Orb sorceress
Paladin of some kind (shockadin, for example).

To my knowledge, Barbs are only bo *****es. Unless you have BoTD / Enigma / all those godlies, you're not going to get far. Again, from my experience, but I could be entirely wrong. An IK barb could probably do some damage.

Yeah, safest is a Necro summoner, but wind druid can be pretty good too. A lightning fury Zon is especially good because all you need is a titan's (pgems) and you're set to go. Run NM cows til' you're 70, get together with a team on these forums, get to hell, and cow til' you're 90! You'll find lots of charms and stuff, and you should ID them all. Good stuff!

Which realm are you on? I'd be glad to help you out if you're on East.

*x]O2[x

HF! Welcome.

cyradis2003

06-12-2004, 17:06

I am curently dead bored of diablo...i have enough stuff on ladder and have seen most of the items in the game....i didnt want to wait for ladder to restart (i tend to have much more fun when it does), so decided to start hardcore since it would be like a ladder reset to me.

Hardcore certainly makes the game more challenging and it should be quite interesting once i get to higher levels.

I just had a few questions concerning builds:

1. What is the safest starter hardcore build (im assuming a necro summoner, but im not to into necros so...)

2. I made a barbarian for my first HC char, what is the best route to go?

3. Is the HC ladder trading = to softcore trading?

thats about it....if anyone would like to donate some items to me that would be great....but i like to be self reliant so the most i would be looking for is starter gear or tancreds boots and ammy so i can decently mf myself. *nafcan is my account name if you would like to :D

Thanks for any help for any of the questions above...

YAY!!! FRESHMEAT!!!!

*tosses fireproof blanket over naffy* (your name is hard)

1) safest and cheapest build would be necro summoner. Wands are easily shopped, imbued or found and they are quite good in hell with a little c/e tossed into the mix.

The main wisdom seems to be to stick with what you know. If you had sucsessful babas and you are comfortable with them and your ability to keep them alive then they would be a good choice.

2) I am not good with Baba's so I will leave that to other more informed people on this forum.

3) I am also not sure on the SC values but you can get a good idea of values by reading the trade threads on the HC trade forum on this site. It is forum #37.

My recommendation would be to collect all the gems you can and cube them up to perfs. You can fully equip a char with decent midgame gear for pgems. Also keep those low level 9/14 max dmg jewels and sharp charms. Low level life charms will also trade well. :surprise: (there are lots of duelers who scoop those up)

You should post your realm as well and then maybe look around for an untwinked team or a group to run with at first. HC is alot more fun when played in groups and you really can't trust pubbie games after lvl 9 :xquiet:

oh ... fresh fron sc that is another thing to look out for - PK'ers are rampant and will often lull you by being nice first in order to position you for the kill.

DO NOT TAKE ANYONE'S TP!!!
If a game has been up awhile you want to be careful on the wps - they can be trapped

Read the FAQ's up at the top as they cover all of this in detail and are a great source of info. (also Zappa worked very hard on them and we should all periodically make appreciative noises) oooooh! aaaaaaah!!!

Good luck!!! May your first death be an exciting one!!!

(ps - you will die so don't fret it too much. just keep muling often so you have gear for the rebuilds)

NEUROSHOCKED

06-12-2004, 17:43

What about trapsin? They're my first HC char. They have nice dmg traps, Shadow master for tank, Mind blast, Cloak of shadow and FADE for resist. All the goodies to be a first hc char. You can easily shop for +3 claws, plus you can get decent trapsin items for pgems. You can also easily MF Pindle,Shenk,Eldritch in a min. Now go make a Trapsin :clap: :xgrin:

P.S: if you are on West, i got some +3 traps claws on my sin if you want. :thumbsup:

nafsasp

06-12-2004, 18:17

BTW: Im on Us EAST

Tao- I knew about the FAQ...but in all honesty i wanted to ask the questions just to get to meet some fellow hardcore people on this forum. As for asking for items... it was mostly an afterthought....im not looking for charity, i was just saying if anyone was generous enough.....

Oxy- TY for the elaborate answer....im glad that lots of things are worth pgems, because i pick up every gem that i can when i start out fresh :D Thanks for the warning about pkers....i figured that they were pretty rampant around the hardcore realm....its unfortunate that you have to be even more weary of other people...but i guess it adds another edge to it all...

cyradis: um fireproof blanket?? most people call me naf...its much easier :P
I doubt i will make it too far with this barb, as paladins are my specialty...i just figured that the life from bo would help quite a bit.

Well im off to act 2...right now im just going solo to get a feel of things. Again thanks for the help :D

-naf

Aerath

06-12-2004, 18:27

Some items really can't be compared in price to what they cost on SC.

E.g. whilst you can get a Wizardspike on SC for 6 PGems, on HC it's pretty much priceless (well, just darn expensive, but you get the idea =)

Valar-Wrath

06-12-2004, 18:35

My best advice is to ignore most of the remarks from Cyradis. She is an odd character. :lol:

Oh and Barbs are NOT just bo *****es. My dual DC WW'er is going to own hell soon. You will see.

So, Welcome to HC. Like they said, be prepared to die because it will happen. A hammerdin is also a good choice for a first character even though I find them somewhat boring myself.

If you do make an orb sorc to farm meph, the best weapon/shield combo for hardcore is wizzy/whistans. It may sound silly to sc but max block and resists are the most important for HC.

Collect gems and trade them in...

and good luck!! :thumbsup:

baalos

06-12-2004, 19:56

Welcome to HC!

A little word on barbs. Mine just leveled 92. He is an IK barb and can solo most of the game. He has issues with OKs, so I tend to avoid chasing Diablo or Baal (all those pesky OKs on the way there) but giggles at dolls and gloams. Well merc giggles at dolls, I sit back and let him do his thing.

When you start playing nm games, collect grand charms and cube them. I have about 10 +1 to various skills for different character classes. I managed to turn two of them into warcry charms, and next to life and resistance charms, are a barbs best friend. My barb has a 34 bo, and while there are those with higher, I am pleased, and so are those in my party, with that.

Except for the armor, all of the IK set is available for pgems. I would suggest reading up on the set, plan your skills and attributes and go for it. Never put too much into str or dex, just enough for end gear. Everything else goes to life.

PhatTrumpet

06-12-2004, 20:17

Actually, that's a real good idea for your Barb. For now, aim to collect pgems so that you can trade for all the IK pieces except the armor. It's pretty hard to find a better combination of partial set bonuses than this. Then all you need is an OK weapon, maybe a shield, and you're all set.

Tao_of_Xero

06-12-2004, 20:37

Full_Circle

06-12-2004, 20:37

It's sort of been said, but I feel the need to press the issue...

IN PUBLIC GAMES, EVERYONE IS HOSTILE TO YOU AT ALL TIMES!

Don't party with anyone you don't know.
Don't ask anyone for help.
Don't accept help freely offered if it involves you leaving town.

THEY ALL WANT TO KILL YOU!

Present company excluded, of course. :xgrin:

Paranoia will save your life! :xmad:

cyradis2003

06-12-2004, 21:35

My best advice is to ignore most of the remarks from Cyradis. She is an odd character. :lol:

:hanky:

am not!!!!!

I just didn't want people being mean to him like the last 20 people who hapened to mention ItAmZZ

nafsasp

07-12-2004, 00:51

well thanks for the warm welcome everyone.....and i will prolly be using most of the IK pieces....the only thing is, is that i find using a sheild with a barb kinda silly, really....i guess i need to get rid of that notion :P

i have already had a nice experience with pker's...somehow 2 people entered my private game and were like get outta my game when i had made it myself...so they hostiled me....the one guy tried to lure me out by saying he wanted to merc duel...but i wasnt falling for it due to the advice of everyone here :D

I had wondered about how i am going to get by the chaos sanctuary....its going to be pretty tough with those OK's....i guess i will have to enlist some javazon help or something :D

Now heres the thing....if you cant trust anyone...who do you trust to get some help? I think im paranoid already...even tho im not playing right now *eyes everyone up*

I will mention "itamz" no longer....like i said b4..it was an afterthought. I know how touchy some people can be about it.

Thanks everyone once again :D

cyradis2003

07-12-2004, 01:26

i have already had a nice experience with pker's...somehow 2 people entered my private game and were like get outta my game when i had made it myself...so they hostiled me....the one guy tried to lure me out by saying he wanted to merc duel...but i wasnt falling for it due to the advice of everyone here :D

Now what you do is tell us all the account names and the game and pass you were using at the time.

:surprise:

Then you make up a new gamename and make a weird pass, no more 1's and 2's

People will try to stalk you to kill you if you annoy them or refuse to duel them or whatnot.

example - I pick 2 letters and I just randomize them

hjjh or jjhj and a pass could be okn my pass is usually the same that way friends can stop in to say hi but the game name is fairly random withing my 2 letters.

spunkymonkey

07-12-2004, 06:36

If it wasnt for Iron Maiden (IE Doom Knights) and exploders (Use merc/pets to finish FE's and stygian Dolls) Id suggest Shifter druid but oh well. Your best bet really is to form an untwinked team on the forums here. You are pretty much guaranteed to find some people to play friendly multiplayer games with you on a regular basis.

Id invite you to play with me but im on West

spunkymonkey

07-12-2004, 06:40

It's sort of been said, but I feel the need to press the issue...

IN PUBLIC GAMES, EVERYONE IS HOSTILE TO YOU AT ALL TIMES!

Don't party with anyone you don't know.
Don't ask anyone for help.
Don't accept help freely offered if it involves you leaving town.

Only risk partying with unknown people at low levels. Its not very fun to play the game by yourself so make friends earlier on that you can trust.

drinkturps

07-12-2004, 08:57

Never rush, it ends in tears. Play slowly and methodically.

Remember at all times that you are not immortal. I've lost so many characters by getting over confident. Mule often.

That's my two bob.

thamuzdevil

07-12-2004, 11:31

*thamuzdevil useast hcl - new friends always welcome, but if you steal my stuff that im xferring ill make your life hell. :D

With that said, I usually play late night (10pm-2am) weeknights and any time on weekends.

For a barb, in sc i had great success with a concentrate barb - max conc (at max you get like +300% defense when attacking and it cant be interrupted at any level, letting life/mana leech work more often), bo, shout, mastery of choice (is better than conc synergies because ar is boosted as well and you get cs bonus), 1 in berserk (for pesky phys immunes), 1 bc, and 1 in all of the passive skills (you know what ones i mean :D)

Good defense, and an uninterruptable attack. Good luck with him (just my suggestion to use that build of course ;))

And be careful of low level pallys and asns, even some babas, they can kill with some ferocity if they are built for it. especially watch out for levels 9, 12, 18, 24 (12 and 24 the most in my opinion). i have seen other pkers of varying levels, but those arethe most common ones to watch out for.

TPPK - it SUCKS. if someone is spamming stuff at you for no reason (guided arrows, hammers, bone spirits especially, but could be any spell or long range long lasting heat seeking ability that has potential for good dmg) tp to town or save and exit. theyre gonna use a hack to jump to town and hostile real quick. :\

Some people (usually higher levels) will be in a group of monsters and drop a tp, for whatever reason (to get out of the pack, or to kill newbs who walk into the tp, whether they claim it is safe or not). first of all, wait for people to say '1' when a tp pops, or ask them '1' and if its affirmative you can proceed with caution. if its a '2' or anything else its not safe. if you pop out of the tp into a pack of fatties, escape-up-enter or try and get back to the tp fast. the former option is safer of course.

FEs in nightmare will kill you on death. that is the best way to look at them - they WILL kill you when they pop. also avoid being around a cold enchanted guy when he dies. lightning enchanted monsters - just watch em, they can hurt you if youre too hasty.

Dont accept free rides from people unless youre sure you can live if they try to pk you. I had a chanter try and guided arrow me over the weekend and i NARROWLY got out of it (save and exit is your friend, escape-up-enter, thats the combo of everlasting life), so i went back to the game and called her a newb just to get on her nerves cuz she couldnt kill someone 1/8 her level who doesnt use chicken :)... and speaking of chant games, they can be great to lvl in, but watch out for zons (or any character) following you around with a bow. when in a chant game, join the party, get the chant, leave the party, and go to some obscure area to lvl. also, get a ravenclaw if you want to power level yourself in chant games. the chant affects the explosive arrows ravenclaw fires. if you happen to find a ravenclaw, trade it to a rich guy for items (i got a buriza and a lightsaber for one that i found in a nm flayer jungle run :D). once again, be careful when in chant games, i have actually seen a level 15 kill a level 80.

level up in perm games, in trist runs go do flayer runs instead, in baal runs do your trist runs, in act 2 games go run eldritch and shenk. you will see others die or drop out of games when they get hostiled, but you wont because the pker wont know youre in a different area leveling alone. also, if you can do it, you can ruin eldritch and shenk in about a minute and gain the same xp solo (in full games of course) as a good baal run. you wont get the xp in one game of course, but about the same time it takes you should be able to. just make sure you can do it first - eldritch is a fast mofo.

your merc is your friend, no matter what class you are. keep him alive and give him good gear. level him up. and you cant go wrong with an act 2 nm defensive merc (unless youre a frostadin of course, then you went wrong :D)

Mule often, and never hold your future godly gear on your guy/girl. youll probably lose it. i know i have :( if you are in a game for 10 minutes (might be shorter but thats a safe time) the game will stay active even with no one in it for 5 minutes or so. i self mule like this often.

If youre doing the ancients, remember that if you drop a tp they go back to statue state. thats useful if in higher difficulties they spawn with sick mods (immunities, enchants, bad auras, cursed) or theyre just all out kicking your ***.

watch out for aura'd ranged attackers - best examples i can think of that i have had bad times with are in act 1 normal and hell, those dark rogues and skeleton archers, when you are truly at your weakest (normal you are just starting out, hell the lower resists and other things can cause problems you forget about while in nm)

Do all the good quests - rad, den, izzy, lam esen, golden bird - do them as soon as you think is safe for your guy. preferrably do it with help from a higher level friend, but if not make a private game and do it alone (so they arent harder for you to complete)

make yourself familiar with low level runewords and countess runs in normal when you start out. stealth is still the best low level caster armor, my kicksin loved steel, and strength is great for any low level melee'r. nadir is good if you get a high defense 2 socket helm.

pick up gold! it takes one extra click, and you can shop/gamble for good stuff with it.

juvies juvies juvies! full juvs! cube 3 reg juvs to get a full juv! have 2 slots or more of these! for casters i usually go 1 row health, 1 row mana, 2 rows juvs. for melee 1 row health, 3 rows juvs. quite a few people go 4 rows of juvs for all build, but i like to keep health pots for merc or if i just need a little life boost. dont be afraid to use juvs also, you can always make/find more, and itll take a lot longer to lvl up a character than to get your juvs back.

thats all i can think of right now... good luck :D im sure i just wrote a book... im afraid to look at how much i wrote... and on company time too! :P

nagissak

08-12-2004, 04:30

Well the most important thing is you left SissyCore :xman: Experience will come in your many death's , so welcome to Hardcore :xgrin:

nafsasp

08-12-2004, 12:21

um...ok heres a weird thing....

last night i went to face duriel and he was kicking my butt so i saved and exitd b4 he killed me....but this morning when i tried to go into my char, he was invisable and i couldnt create/join games....i know i didnt die, so whats up with this?

Tao_of_Xero

08-12-2004, 12:27

Hi...you are dead. Congrats :) you probably got the bad lag death thingie. Same thing happened to a sorc of mine. Basically, if you're invisible and can't create or join games, you're dead.

cyradis2003

08-12-2004, 14:17

Hi...you are dead. Congrats :) you probably got the bad lag death thingie. Same thing happened to a sorc of mine. Basically, if you're invisible and can't create or join games, you're dead.

It takes about 10-20 seconds for you to disconnect from the realm after you save exit. This is time where your char is sitting in the BNet server while beasties beat up on you. The safest thing to do in a situation with just 1 monster is to try to keep a TP up and everytime you get to 1/2 you head to town rebuy your merc, heal up and get bunches of pots. Keep your merc alive as long as possible and get him when he dies.

What lvl were you by the way? I know SC players tend to try and take Durry alone at like 16-18. That is actually one of the main survival differences in HC, you don't go to a new area until you have fully exploited all the experience gaining to be done in your current area and can smack all the beasts around without trouble.

I think you did great getting your first char that far though! Every death teaches a new lesson - the main one being that you can always rebuild!!!

nafsasp

08-12-2004, 14:31

Squelch

08-12-2004, 14:45

This has already been somewhat covered, but as someone that's played both, I can offer a bit more detail.

In HC the most valuable items, are those that keep you alive (res, life, fhr, block, etc) + to Skills is a bonus, but not necessary. (though it does help.) Also, since the botter idiots have a harder time devaluing items, due to the whole 1 life thing, the rare items have prices reflective of this.

In SC all MOST* of em care about is damage damage damage (or mf mf mf), and as such only the +skill gears, facets, mf gears, that sorta thing is highly desired and valued, and the rest is "worthless". Hence the whole 300 life negative res thing goin on at lvl 80 (and then call souls *** ^^), since a sc char can just take a tp and be right back in the fray within a few seconds, MOST* do not even try to avoid it. (And good luck trying to explain to a sc pub that all the damage in the world does them no good, if they die every time a fallen sneezes on them.)

*I say most, because a few, such as myself, have some sense, but when I had to explain the purpose of socketing my shaft with a shael, not to mention using shaft itself, to a scanner, well, I knew it was a pub. :lol:

I was then informed by this obviously expert pking boner that my LEVEL 45 ZEALOT should be using ebotd zerker and archon enigma. :surprise:

But I'm getting OT here, and the rest of what I was gonna say has already been covered.

cyradis2003

08-12-2004, 15:11

damn that sucks! i was collectng a lot of gems too....ah well...time to rebuild i guess! I was level 19 when i went to face duriel....and i thought i would be strong enough...but i guess my weapons sucked too bad...i was about to tp outta there but then he hit me with a charge and left me with 50 life so i saved and exited....damn lag! well off to create a new char....:P

I actually have a bunch of gems that you are welcome to have if you like. There may even be a few dozen sig pieces in there too :D that should help a Baba grow.

Give me a holler if you are on in the evenings

cy-kosomatic

thamuzdevil

08-12-2004, 16:54

Ahh i love that account name cy...

Anyway. Yes, a first death. Be glad it was PVM! lol, my first HC death was probably a year ago, before I really started playing hc... I did not know that the pally by the wp could come back through that wp so soon, and i laughed when i saw him holding that two-handed maul. I mean, a lvl 12 bone necro can run at least as fast as a level 12 pally, right?

:\ guess what, they cant.

at least youll try again (i hope)... thats the attitude a true hc player has - i lost my character, but im gonna make one thats better this time around. :D

lets see, what other deaths have i had...

PVM - a lvl 50 bone necro, while leveling his merc in act 1 nm, died to low lightning resist, a hasty merc, and the lag demon. *sigh* he was doin so good...

PVM - level 60 fire sorceress, teleporting around hell act 1 with some friends and questing... 3 uniques in one screen, 1 LE fanat (archers), 1 FE might(fast melee'rs), 1 LE Conviction(same type as last group). I had negative resists. All the auras were in effect when i tele'd in. I think an arrow actually one-hit me. i had 800 life, too!

PVP - trapper/kicker hybrid asn, helping some friends kill norm D. I was tearing that shizzle up, and then I took one for the team when a tppker came in. 1 guided arrow was all it took. *sigh, again* I dont like TPPK much, but i had to protect the kiddies while they tp'd out of there. that zon came on us fast too, i didnt even see the name and have enough time to say 'make a tp' when she scripted. :\

PVM - Norm D killed my summoner! We were doing great, and monsters and bosses HATE clay golems, so I was casting the clay golem on the opposite side of D so he'd shoot his lightning away from our group. I had low resists (good fire, but 0 lightning) and accidentally clicked on D when i recast the golem. Golem was directly between me and D. D shot his lightning inferno. I died promptly thereafter. That summoner lived a dangerous life...

Other than that, those are the only deaths I can think of. Im certain there will be more, but hopefully not too many :D

cyradis2003

08-12-2004, 17:48

Ahh i love that account name cy...

:D Thankies! The new Zon's name is ReCY-cled ... I think SuiCYde-Blonde may be cursed....

You know - I think listing deaths is a good idea! I don't put them all in the RIP thread (though you should peek at a few of the ones in there Naf ... fy, they are interesting to read though and give you a good idea of what NOT to do!)

First death this Season was a lvl 50ish Zon, she was walking down to NM Meph and when the first few dozen dolls didn't hurt her I figured they had been nerfed beyond danger.... I was oh so very wrong. (mainly casters and sc last season)

Second was another Zon (I have lost many many zons) She was in her 70's and died to an FE boss popping on her (there may be a theme here - things run up and pop on me alot ... and none of them seem to wear pants) Next was an 83ish Zon - she died to an FE Raddy in hell. Did you know he walks around after you die? He stays still when people are watching but he runs around when you are dead in there. I was Poisoned and kept healing but I let it get a little too low and he smacked me between heal pots then popped as he died. Then we have my 45 sorc - POP! Coldworm got her in NM. 79ish Dru died to a severe beating from Hell Heph as we were trying for his forge ... I was within an inch of getting that rune too!!! Sad thing is he was a mule at that point and we only hell rushed him for the rune. :whistle: Then my saddest death ... 88.9998 Zon died in the pit because a little necro was sheltering behind me - I didn't run when I should have and I thought I could tough it out. Amped and hit by a FE MS Boss lady archer type. ALWAYS clear Amp!!! Next was an 80ish Zon - NM Baals (how embarassing) Boss doll go boom she fall down.

Now - looking back that is an awful lot of amazons, I am like a serial killer who preys on them or something. Thing is each succsessive Zon has been tougher and better than the last one. I am now 76 ... Zon ... and doing well. I don't fight on when amped and I keep my distance from bosses until I see if they are poppers. This zon already has more life than the lvl 88 and she is in damage reduction gear with maxed (over maxed actually) res in hell as well as 20 each cold, fire, light absorb. Her block is 75 and she has at least 50% in all dodge - avoid - evades 75% psn duration reduced too :D . Yes, I have sacrificed damage and plus skill gear to get her there but this one is not dieing on me without some serious extenuating circumstances.

All Hail: Life - Res - Block!!!!

Squelch

08-12-2004, 18:56

:D Thankies! The new Zon's name is ReCY-cled ... I think SuiCYde-Blonde may be cursed....

You know - I think listing deaths is a good idea! I don't put them all in the RIP thread (though you should peek at a few of the ones in there Naf ... fy, they are interesting to read though and give you a good idea of what NOT to do!)

First death this Season was a lvl 50ish Zon, she was walking down to NM Meph and when the first few dozen dolls didn't hurt her I figured they had been nerfed beyond danger.... I was oh so very wrong. (mainly casters and sc last season)

Second was another Zon (I have lost many many zons) She was in her 70's and died to an FE boss popping on her (there may be a theme here - things run up and pop on me alot ... and none of them seem to wear pants) Next was an 83ish Zon - she died to an FE Raddy in hell. Did you know he walks around after you die? He stays still when people are watching but he runs around when you are dead in there. I was Poisoned and kept healing but I let it get a little too low and he smacked me between heal pots then popped as he died. Then we have my 45 sorc - POP! Coldworm got her in NM. 79ish Dru died to a severe beating from Hell Heph as we were trying for his forge ... I was within an inch of getting that rune too!!! Sad thing is he was a mule at that point and we only hell rushed him for the rune. :whistle: Then my saddest death ... 88.9998 Zon died in the pit because a little necro was sheltering behind me - I didn't run when I should have and I thought I could tough it out. Amped and hit by a FE MS Boss lady archer type. ALWAYS clear Amp!!! Next was an 80ish Zon - NM Baals (how embarassing) Boss doll go boom she fall down.

Now - looking back that is an awful lot of amazons, I am like a serial killer who preys on them or something. Thing is each succsessive Zon has been tougher and better than the last one. I am now 76 ... Zon ... and doing well. I don't fight on when amped and I keep my distance from bosses until I see if they are poppers. This zon already has more life than the lvl 88 and she is in damage reduction gear with maxed (over maxed actually) res in hell as well as 20 each cold, fire, light absorb. Her block is 75 and she has at least 50% in all dodge - avoid - evades 75% psn duration reduced too :D . Yes, I have sacrificed damage and plus skill gear to get her there but this one is not dieing on me without some serious extenuating circumstances.

All Hail: Life - Res - Block!!!!

So you love zons, AND appreciate the value of life res block? :thumbsup: *hugs cy*

cyradis2003

08-12-2004, 22:23

So you love zons, AND appreciate the value of life res block? :thumbsup: *hugs cy*

*hugs back*

Hello person! :surprise: