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FireAnt45
06-12-2004, 01:27
Does anyone have any experience with Martyr? I'm making one right now, planing on getting some points in holy shield (5?), getting preq skills for fanaticism and redemption, then pumping sacrafice until it's level 30. Then putting one in redemption for utility's sake, pumping fanaticsim, finish leveling sacrifice and redeption in that order.

Not sure about gear, aiming for damage reduction (I think 50% is cap?) so maybe shaftstop and a gaze or a stormshield. Gaze would provide some needed leech, but so could rings, ammy or gloves. No real ideas for weapons, but I guess the more speed the marrier.

Should be able to achieve max blocking and get enough strength for gear while still be able to have a load of vitality and I don't think mana should be a problem (I don't think sacrifice uses any.)

Well, either that or just make an avenger.

Any input at all appreciated ^_^

Euro-Crash
06-12-2004, 02:01
Does anyone have any experience with Martyr? I'm making one right now, planing on getting some points in holy shield (5?), getting preq skills for fanaticism and redemption, then pumping sacrafice until it's level 30. Then putting one in redemption for utility's sake, pumping fanaticsim, finish leveling sacrifice and redeption in that order.

Not sure about gear, aiming for damage reduction (I think 50% is cap?) so maybe shaftstop and a gaze or a stormshield. Gaze would provide some needed leech, but so could rings, ammy or gloves. No real ideas for weapons, but I guess the more speed the marrier.

Should be able to achieve max blocking and get enough strength for gear while still be able to have a load of vitality and I don't think mana should be a problem (I don't think sacrifice uses any.)

Well, either that or just make an avenger.

Any input at all appreciated ^_^

A Martyr build certainly sounds a bit challenging considering your attack will take life away from you. Using Redmption is an excellent idea. Another thing you may want to look into is "Replenish Life" items.

Thoug life leech has been nerfed in this version of the game, you should try to get as much LL as you can in order to replenish your HP. Using an item that gives a chance to cast Life Tap may be adviseable. Since Sacrifice plateaus at 8% damage done to self you should be fine if you have can offset this with a high amount of leech and lifetap. This means leeching more than you are losing...if that makes any sense. Mana is not a problem since Sacrifice does not use mana.

I think that quite possibly one of the best weapons you could use is something that reaches the 8fpa breakpoint with ease and one that casts Static Field. This would be very helpful to you.

As for your offensive aura, Fanaticism is good, Concentration is also good...Conviction may also be a wise selection. Fanaticism wll deal more damage than Concentration, but Concentration gives a 20% chance that your attack will be uninterruptible. Since you won't be Zealing, you stand a good chance to be interrupted while using a Standard attack.

However, since Fanaticism is a synergy of your primary attack it would probably be wisest to stick with this aura.

I believe you will have it allocated as follows:

-20 Sacrifice
-20 Fanaticism
-20 Redemption
-20 Blessed Aim or Defiance
-20 Holy Shield

This basically depends on whether or not you wish to have a higher AR or a higher Defensive Rating. As for equipment, I think I would go the following route (assuming wealth is not an issue):

-Shako (CHAM)
-Mara's
-Shaftstop (UM)
-2 x 5% BK Wedding Band
-Stormlash (BER)
-HoZ (UM or P.Diamond)
-40/15 Verdungo (you may save if you get one with 10% DR)
-Dracul's Grasp
-Sandstorm Trek
-Annihilus

I think with this setup you would have an adequate amount of LL, DR and +skills. You would also have a decent amount of FHR. Your resistance should be decent as well. You may have problems with your AR, as you will net only a 288% boost from lvl 20 Fana and lvl 20 Sacrifice.

For this reason I would also max Blessed Aim instead of Defiance. This will grant a passive boost to your AR that will increase your chances of hitting your enemies. I am not sure what the passive boost is, but I think it is 5%. This will result in a boost to your AR of 388% +20% (from HoZ) for a total of 408%.

This is a decent amount....and if you still find it to be too low you can always Enchant yourself with a Demonlimb. If you do Enchant yourself you will gain a boost of 408% + 227% for a grand total of 635% to your AR. This should be more than adequate to cure your AR woes. And if you still feel you are missing too much, hire a Blessed Aim mercenary.

Vesio
06-12-2004, 02:03
Does anyone have any experience with Martyr? I'm making one right now, planing on getting some points in holy shield (5?), getting preq skills for fanaticism and redemption, then pumping sacrafice until it's level 30. Then putting one in redemption for utility's sake, pumping fanaticsim, finish leveling sacrifice and redeption in that order.

Not sure about gear, aiming for damage reduction (I think 50% is cap?) so maybe shaftstop and a gaze or a stormshield. Gaze would provide some needed leech, but so could rings, ammy or gloves. No real ideas for weapons, but I guess the more speed the marrier.

Should be able to achieve max blocking and get enough strength for gear while still be able to have a load of vitality and I don't think mana should be a problem (I don't think sacrifice uses any.)

Well, either that or just make an avenger.

Any input at all appreciated ^_^

hope you mean lvl 20 for sacrifice. unless your sneaking charms in on me.

i havent ever made a martyr but these are my thoughts.

with dr/leech your shouldn't have much of a problem losing life except against those monsters which cant be leeched anymore (skellies come to mind most readily). I am not sure if DR wirks with sacrifice but if it does you will probably want to get to the 50% cap for those monsters you can't leech from. Redemption is an excelent utility skill. Free life is a wonderful thing. you are correct that sacrifice doesn't use mana so mana won't be a problem.

Also someone might have to correct me but i don't think that you actually loose life unless you hit a monster. You still get the cool little splat of blood but i don't think that you loose the life until you deal damage. Something I gleaned from the arreat summit is that when you drain life you drain the full amount (8% of damage delt) even if it only takes half of your damage delt to kill a monster. this is what i am saying:
you are dealing 100 pts of damage, therefore taking 8 pts of damage yourself. If you kill a monster that only requires 50 pts of damage to kill you still take 8 pts of damage.

you should be able to max sacrifice before you start thinking about fanat. You can have 20 sacrifice 3 HS and the prerequisites for fanat all by the time that you can start putting points into fanat. You can also skimp a few points into sacrifice and nab some prereqs for redemptionyou should be able to have all your main skills maxed at clvl65 or so (quest skill rewards).

on the weapon you will probably have to strike a balance between speed and damage. you might want to find out if DS works against you. also a prayer merc might be a good idea for this build. those are just some ideas, but now it's time for bed. Good luck with your build.

FireAnt45
06-12-2004, 19:08
Thanks for the adivce.

I just thought though that physical immune monsters are going to be a HUGE problem, would one point in vengence be enough to take care of them?

Euro-Crash
06-12-2004, 19:17
Thanks for the adivce.

I just thought though that physical immune monsters are going to be a HUGE problem, would one point in vengence be enough to take care of them?

1 pt in Vengeance would be enough if you had a lot more in Conviction. Then you could have a B-Star (or Famine) on switch with a Tiamat's Rebuke.