View Full Version : OT: Any smiters on tonight (USEast) want to duel my fury wolf?
inkanddagger
02-12-2004, 22:45
I can't seem to find any smiters around. I make pubby games and no-one comes.
I need to play around with my gear setup.
*lucky]7[ and we'll dance.
I can't seem to find any smiters around. I make pubby games and no-one comes.
I need to play around with my gear setup.
*lucky]7[ and we'll dance.
If you are still on by the time I get one, I'll help you test. My acc name is *ROMVS. Add me to f list if you want. So far though, I've seen some of the vts on after like 11pm CA time (I'm in Hawaii btw :) ).
inkanddagger
02-12-2004, 23:24
elex1///1
vindi66 is screwing around with me
i'll whisper you sometime
inkanddagger
02-12-2004, 23:45
verdict - there are some good paladins on these forums
I can't seem to find any smiters around. I make pubby games and no-one comes.
I need to play around with my gear setup.
*lucky]7[ and we'll dance.
Good duels.
inkanddagger
02-12-2004, 23:51
before the rest of the pallies get too proud though - i didn't lose any duels against just smite, only vs hammer or foh variant, and even then not without gettin my 2 licks in :D
HandofElysium
03-12-2004, 01:11
before the rest of the pallies get too proud though - i didn't lose any duels against just smite, only vs hammer or foh variant, and even then not without gettin my 2 licks in :D
I see well I haven't lost consistantly vs a fury druid ever so it would be interesting to test it out. *andivius2
I'll be on tomorrow
fury won from smiters? what the.....
too bad you're not on europe, i wanted to see u kill :(
inkanddagger
03-12-2004, 16:09
once i start dueling the "pure" vindis I might actually start losing. Everyone so far has been hybrid. I might have to even "gasp" ber my shaftstop.
*andivius2 i'll be on in a minute.
grove///duel
HandofElysium
03-12-2004, 18:09
once i start dueling the "pure" vindis I might actually start losing. Everyone so far has been hybrid. I might have to even "gasp" ber my shaftstop.
*andivius2 i'll be on in a minute.
grove///duel
I see well I'm at work still so that isn't going to help. :D
I assume your going big 2 handed weapon since block doesn't mean jack vs a smiter. Although your going to have to get dr from armor and belt/helm.
inkanddagger
03-12-2004, 18:11
shaft/dungos. i should ber my shaft.
ebotd great poleaxe.
the worst rends you have ever seen :D
before the rest of the pallies get too proud though - i didn't lose any duels against just smite, only vs hammer or foh variant, and even then not without gettin my 2 licks in :D
Yeah, it was harder than I thought it would be. All fury druids I've dueled so far have been 1-h or have had ****ty 2-h weapons. Sometimes one hit took half my life, so just going toe-to-toe is a bad idea. I'd like to try something out, but you seem afk right now.
inkanddagger
03-12-2004, 20:40
Yeah, it was harder than I thought it would be. All fury druids I've dueled so far have been 1-h or have had ****ty 2-h weapons. Sometimes one hit took half my life, so just going toe-to-toe is a bad idea. I'd like to try something out, but you seem afk right now.
prav, whisper me so i can get yr acct again.
also - i need more vindis to duel today!!!
HandofElysium
03-12-2004, 21:58
prav, whisper me so i can get yr acct again.
also - i need more vindis to duel today!!!
Good Duels ink
Ely, you have 2400life, 50dr, and a little higher smite damage since you have a 1.09 v/t. I got 2860life, 49dr, and about 2.8k smite with kingslayer. What i don't get is how the hell I lose most toe-to-toe duels against his druid, while you win. I forgot how much def you have, but I think we have about the same (~15k def).
inkanddagger
03-12-2004, 23:06
well, me and ely dueld 3 times, he won 2-1. not a real good test.
BUT, win or lose, I just wanted to put fury wolves back on the map, and it was probobly the most fun I've had dueling in a long time.
Druids and Pallies playing together again, civily. It's a new era in 1.1.
GDs to everyone!
DistortedRiff
03-12-2004, 23:11
A little off topic, but I want to duel your fury wolf with my bear-zon, /w *b1ackLabe1 if you're interested.
edit: Craap east not west. Nevermind :(
HandofElysium
03-12-2004, 23:49
well, me and ely dueld 3 times, he won 2-1. not a real good test.
BUT, win or lose, I just wanted to put fury wolves back on the map, and it was probobly the most fun I've had dueling in a long time.
Druids and Pallies playing together again, civily. It's a new era in 1.1.
GDs to everyone!
Actually 3-1 but you could not go toe to toe with me. The only time you can win is if you actually moved back. Click and hold it was not even close cause of knock back and hit recovery.
@Pravda Now did you try different shields? Obviously the big difference in my setup compared to yours is my shield. I used my jewelers kurast while you used your upgraded hoz. I have 2400k life 3.2k max smite but the difference between 3.2k and 2.8k is not a huge deal when it comes to the big druids life. I saw you constantly getting killed which was quite weird considering you have about 400 more life.
also I have 16k defense which is another variable that doesn't matter.
When we click-and-hold dueled, he stepped back to outrange me, which I think is okay.
inkanddagger
03-12-2004, 23:59
may have been the fact that i was making reservations and dueling at the same time.
excuses excuses :P
or it may have been the difference between 1% DR.
but i seriously doubt it. Ely has 2 levels on me, which may have affected chance to hit.
I also have pretty low end gear.
inkanddagger
04-12-2004, 00:03
I would also like to try again after i ber my shaft, hand.
1%dr is like nothing. 2 levels is like nothing too. I doubt that's more than 1-2% chance to hit (i'm too lazy to calculate). Gear wise, I think I used the best possible combination I have against melee (i.e. gm combo):
Ber'd shako
+2 rare ammy
enigma mage
40/15 dungo
20ias,29stat,8cb gloves
65life water
bk/raven
kingsl zerk/upd ber hoz
42/40/40/40/40/40/40/40/39/39 combats
20/11-10x9 small ones
20/16/9 anni
HandofElysium
04-12-2004, 00:08
may have been the fact that i was making reservations and dueling at the same time.
excuses excuses :P
or it may have been the difference between 1% DR.
but i seriously doubt it. Ely has 2 levels on me, which may have affected chance to hit.
I also have pretty low end gear.
I can believe the CTH theory but 16k defense compared to your crazy AR that fury druids have I kind of doubt it but you never know.
@Pravda I don't like the pull back method because it reminds me too much of the cheesy shift fury method. Although I don't think ink was doing that at all. Also his pets were a waste of time because they are not going to hit me with 16k defense.
HandofElysium
04-12-2004, 00:12
I would also like to try again after i ber my shaft, hand.
Sure, maybe the 5% dr will put you over the top. :D
Garbad_the_Weak
04-12-2004, 00:13
Shift Fury is cheap?
Good to see a druid holding up the standard yet again. The palas on this forum tend towards overconfidence and the reminders never hurt. Fury is still alive and well. :)
Gds ink.
Garbad
HandofElysium
04-12-2004, 00:14
1%dr is like nothing. 2 levels is like nothing too. I doubt that's more than 1-2% chance to hit (i'm too lazy to calculate). Gear wise, I think I used the best possible combination I have against melee (i.e. gm combo):
Ber'd shako
+2 rare ammy
enigma mage
40/15 dungo
20ias,29stat,8cb gloves
65life water
bk/raven
kingsl zerk/upd ber hoz
42/40/40/40/40/40/40/40/39/39 combats
20/11-10x9 small ones
20/16/9 anni
Yeah it puzzles me as well considering your V/T in every way is superior to mine. LOL
HandofElysium
04-12-2004, 00:21
Shift Fury is cheap?
Good to see a druid holding up the standard yet again. The palas on this forum tend towards overconfidence and the reminders never hurt. Fury is still alive and well. :)
Gds ink.
Garbad
Yes I considered it cheap and thats my opinion. I don't speak for all the pallys on this forum. Pallys being overconfident? When I say one negative thing about a druid player in the druid forum (that doesn't even play anymore) the whole pack of you try to tear me to pieces.
Also @Pravda and Ink: Another issue is ping times seriously. What are you guys ping times cause my is really good with my cable connection.
i got around 300 ping. And overconfident? Who?
Garbad_the_Weak
04-12-2004, 00:25
I'm curious why you think shift fury is cheap?
Garbad
HandofElysium
04-12-2004, 00:31
i got around 300 ping. And overconfident? Who?
Ok thats the winning spice!!!!! ping here :D is 47!
I think we found our answer. :D Unless the other pala the was dying had good ping as well. Then that blows our theory but ping could be a huge factor.
Ok thats the winning spice!!!!! ping here :D is 47!
I think we found our answer. :D Unless the other pala the was dying had good ping as well. Then that blows our theory but ping could be a huge factor.
I think he usually has around 100 ping, but yeah, that could be it.
I think he usually has around 100 ping, but yeah, that could be it.
How do you check your ping?
How do you check your ping?
you type /fps or /framerate
TheUnchosen
04-12-2004, 01:05
Yes I considered it cheap and thats my opinion. I don't speak for all the pallys on this forum. Pallys being overconfident? When I say one negative thing about a druid player in the druid forum (that doesn't even play anymore) the whole pack of you try to tear me to pieces.
Druids, ATTACK!!!
Aim for his legs and bite his balls off!!!
RAWR!
Shift Fury cheap?
Cheap = something that is unfair.
Shift Fury definitely isn't cheap. It has a WHOLE range of counters. You can back off a little bit and re-enter. That normally ruins Shift Fury. Basically Shift Fury uses Range as an advantage, if Shift Fury is hurting you, exit the range and re-enter and try to get close so he loses the range advantage..It's pretty simple. If the Druid runs back, then don't give chase. Just wait for him to come to you...honestly, Dueling isn't about standing still and whacking each other, that's just stupid.
HandofElysium
04-12-2004, 01:16
Druids, ATTACK!!!
Aim for his legs and bite his balls off!!!
RAWR!
Shift Fury cheap?
Cheap = something that is unfair.
Shift Fury definitely isn't cheap. It has a WHOLE range of counters. You can back off a little bit and re-enter. That normally ruins Shift Fury. Basically Shift Fury uses Range as an advantage, if Shift Fury is hurting you, exit the range and re-enter and try to get close so he loses the range advantage..It's pretty simple. If the Druid runs back, then don't give chase. Just wait for him to come to you...honestly, Dueling isn't about standing still and whacking each other, that's just stupid.
Sure no problem next time I'll just smite once let open wounds kick in and shift charge away while I use mediation.
I can believe the CTH theory but 16k defense compared to your crazy AR that fury druids have I kind of doubt it but you never know.
@Pravda I don't like the pull back method because it reminds me too much of the cheesy shift fury method. Although I don't think ink was doing that at all. Also his pets were a waste of time because they are not going to hit me with 16k defense.
Still, if duels must be fought all tactics available to the player are to be used. Wouldnt u agree that "click-hold" is just a battle of items? Where as adding excessive tactics you can turn the odds into your favor. The better you are, the better odds.
And thats the way the cookie crumbles.
Garbad_the_Weak
04-12-2004, 07:14
It stuns me that someone said shift fury is cheap. Seriously, we are talking about an ar based, blockable, interupptable attack that requires absurd amounts of weapon IAS to hit reasonable speeds. The only thing it has at all is range (which has its own sacrifices) and autotarget (very, very reasonable on a melee attack).
In particular compared to:
smite = frequently compared to WW as the most overpowered and cheap "melee" skill (see all 12312323423411 "is smite/ww melee ?" threads).
charge = again, one of the most abused and hated skills. Desynch, defensiveplay, the annoyingly ineffective chargelock
Foh = Recently voted in the pvp forum as the most cheap skill in the game (a stupid vote, mind blast is way cheaper as are several others). Autotarget combined with the cheese of medit/charge and convic does have a lot of cheese potential tho
A v/t combines 3 of the most hated and cheap skills in d2 (some irrationally hated, I admit) and yet fury is cheap?
@"Easy duels"
The guide needs an edit. A self proclaimed ghetto wolf beat a lot of self proclaimed godly vts. What could a godly wolf do?
Its also highly unlikely any dogs you duel have a v/t setup. Most dogs you duel probably just put on thier range 5 switch and go no dr no stack and try thier luck. Fighting a wolf with tgods lit resist shield, 15k range 5, full dr, 40k ar, 7k life is a different story. And you can go well beyond that.
By the numbers, a 3-15k 40k ar wolf has a 72% chance to hit and will do 1225 pvp dmg per hit average. 3 hit skills, reasonable chance to hit. On the other hand, the vt will do insignificant foh dmg (roughly factors out a weaklet rabies) and do roughly 300 pvp dmg at range 3. 25+ hits to kill.
A stepback wolf with equivalent gear/skill will not be an easy duel for you.
Garbad
@"Easy duels"
Is this aimed at me? If not, then who?.
Garbad_the_Weak
04-12-2004, 12:22
Is this aimed at me? If not, then who?.MELEE DRUIDS: Easy duels. I’ve heard some people claim that fury druids that can take out smiters, but I never met one that come even close.Yeah, its directed at you.
Garbad
P.S. Vigor away and medit would be fine with me. The Ow will do relatively minor dmg (it will take several) and while you walk up/charge away, I still get my fury off. If I get some good rolls, you die. If I nick you, (say do only 500 dmg or w/e) in the time you run away I can simply deshift and regen my life back probably just as fast. Next time you return, ill try my luck again. It doesn't take that high of a roll to 2 hit kill you and every attempt you try to smite me gives me at least 2 swings.
You know it's better if you write my name next time to avoid misunderstandings. You were talking about some over-confident, self-proclaimed godly v/t which doesn't fit my description. Where did you get all that crap from? Feel free to look through all of my posts. You won't find me bragging in a single one of them (unlike yourself). Or you could talk to people who know me. They know that's not my style. I could brag, but I find that pretty tasteless.
The thing is too. I can admit defeat unlike 95% of bnet. I wrote in the guide, that wolves were easy, but I also wrote that I never met one that gave me any problems. So yeah, I should change that, but I could figure out all that stuff by myself without your condescending comments.
Garbad_the_Weak
04-12-2004, 13:12
Meh, actually I wasn't referring specifically to you on the "overconfident palas" part. One thing that gave your guide a lot of credibility in my eyes was you didn't overestimate your chances of winning in most matchups, unlike most guides/players.
Garbad
HandofElysium
04-12-2004, 13:16
P.S. Vigor away and medit would be fine with me. The Ow will do relatively minor dmg (it will take several) and while you walk up/charge away, I still get my fury off. If I get some good rolls, you die. If I nick you, (say do only 500 dmg or w/e) in the time you run away I can simply deshift and regen my life back probably just as fast. Next time you return, ill try my luck again. It doesn't take that high of a roll to 2 hit kill you and every attempt you try to smite me gives me at least 2 swings.
Next time at least qoute the comments to the right people so you can get an actually reponse from the right person.
This one is toward me I assume so I'll answer. You deshift while I can see you I'll simply charge back. What makes you think I can't shift charge away with meditation and not be on your screen? Also if I wanted to I can just have a window on switch socketed with um to make it easier.
Garbad_the_Weak
04-12-2004, 13:18
I take it you've never actually used a widow vs a druid. Try it and report back.
Garbad
HandofElysium
04-12-2004, 13:23
I take it you've never actually used a widow vs a druid. Try it and report back.
Garbad
I take it you haven't duel us on East either? Try it and report back. At least I give Ink alot of credit for coming up with the challange in the first place instead of battling on this board.
Garbad_the_Weak
04-12-2004, 13:26
:/
Unfortunately I have less than 20 runes on east and little motivation to get more. The bit of dueling I did do on east didn't impress me. Basically the same as west, although I think the average dueler on west has more wealth. No real differences though.
I'd be happy to duel anyone on west anytime. I have both a v/t and a wolf.
Garbad
TheUnchosen
04-12-2004, 13:28
Sure no problem next time I'll just smite once let open wounds kick in and shift charge away while I use mediation.
You use three tactics which seem extremely advantageous.
I've only nominated one (Shift Fury).
Either way, I don't mind.
If you decided to switch to smiting/open wound and shift charge escaping, I'd switch to rabies. One hit and your Shift Charge escape become redundant. You'd be forced to confront me or your escape would spell your doom or near doom. Note that I did not hit you with Rabies and run myself which is BM, u're running away from me so it's not my fault. The it's down to Smite/Open wound, Open wound is countered with a little life leech from Feral Rage or generally ignored and smite is on par with Shift Fury.
It's not fool proof but I believe at less I'm thinking ways to counter instead of complaining and calling it cheap.
Plus, if a druid is Shift Furying, he's stationary (he can't move). If a druid is sitting waiting for YOU to come to HIM, why not think of a skill that would make HIM come to YOU?
A classic way would be to cast FoH. If you're a melee character your FoH may not be extremely powerful but at less it will force the Druid to move his butt or not move and slowly buzzed to death by a weak FoH..
So Shift Fury is NOT cheap...You're just lazy and slightly narrow minded.
HandofElysium
04-12-2004, 13:29
:/
Unfortunately I have less than 20 runes on east and little motivation to get more. The bit of dueling I did do on east didn't impress me. Basically the same as west, although I think the average dueler on west has more wealth. No real differences though.
I'd be happy to duel anyone on west anytime. I have both a v/t and a wolf.
Garbad
Oh well then I guess dueling on this board is the only alternative :rolleyes: unless someone is good at making open b.net chracters.
HandofElysium
04-12-2004, 13:33
You use three tactics which seem extremely advantageous.
I've only nominated one (Shift Fury).
Either way, I don't mind.
If you decided to switch to smiting/open wound and shift charge escaping, I'd switch to rabies. One hit and your Shift Charge escape become redundant. You'd be forced to confront me or your escape would spell your doom or near doom. Note that I did not hit you with Rabies and run myself which is BM, u're running away from me so it's not my fault. The it's down to Smite/Open wound, Open wound is countered with a little life leech from Feral Rage or generally ignored and smite is on par with Shift Fury.
It's not fool proof but I believe at less I'm thinking ways to counter instead of complaining and calling it cheap.
Plus, if a druid is Shift Furying, he's stationary (he can't move). If a druid is sitting waiting for YOU to come to HIM, why not think of a skill that would make HIM come to YOU?
A classic way would be to cast FoH. If you're a melee character your FoH may not be extremely powerful but at less it will force the Druid to move his butt or not move and slowly buzzed to death by a weak FoH..
So Shift Fury is NOT cheap...You're just lazy and slightly narrow minded.
Basically the thread is talking about pure smite vs pure fury so I am trying to keep with the theme. The use of secondary skills is a no brainer. I'm talking about pure smite and pure fury tatics here.
Basically the thread is talking about pure smite vs pure fury so I am trying to keep with the theme. The use of secondary skills is a no brainer. I'm talking about pure smite and pure fury tatics here.
But whats the idea of not using tactics? sure its great to know and all, but u cant use it for anything in praksis.
I agree with u unchosen.
HandofElysium
04-12-2004, 13:59
But whats the idea of not using tactics? sure its great to know and all, but u cant use it for anything in praksis.
I agree with u unchosen.
Geez people I think it's cheap just get over it. If you disagree thats fine you made your statement already.
TheUnchosen
04-12-2004, 14:00
Oh!
So we're talking about Pure Smite and Pury Fury?
Not smiting with open wound and shift charging?
I must have misread your post cause I swear you mentioned those "secondary skills"..
Ok, talk about Pure Smiting and Pure Fury.
Smite vs Fury?
Smite wins. Easily.
Smite has all the advantages over Fury, especially knockback and ignore defense.
That is why a Druid is force to compensate by using Shift Fury or other means.
A Paladin is then force to compensate by doing XXXXXXX and a Druid is forced to counter XXXXX with XXXX....we call this a good duel.
A Paladin who requests for "pure smiting vs pure fury plz" is basically asking the Druid "Can you let me win the duel so I can feel good about myself?". There is no strategy or skill involved in these type of "duels".
Garbad_the_Weak
04-12-2004, 14:29
I don't agree Unchosen. I've watched jon, blert, hald, and others take very good vts smite v fury only. Range 5 packs a bit hit and you only need 1-2 good rolls.
Garbad
Garbad, I think that comment about stepping back is similar to smite vs smite, when smiters do it, it's because they know they can't stand toe vs toe so it's kinda cheap. Now if we were talking tactics, then maybe it works but then anything goes after that. If it's pure shift fury and pure smite, then really should do it similar to the zealot way, just whack away until someone is dead just to see who would win on a toe vs toe duel.
edit: doh, I typed so slowly that several posts sneaked in that was talking about pure smite and pure fury :scratch:
Garbad_the_Weak
04-12-2004, 15:02
Well, I agree but I don't think thats cheap. Realizing you can't toe to toe and compensating in other ways isn't cheap, its skill. Some skills have an advantage melee range (such as smite). Some people's chars are better than others (better gear, etc).
When a player realizes his gear/build can't tank, I applaud his efforts for attempting to use skill and any other advantages he has to win. Thats why I duel, not to see who can tank who.
And I have always been highly critical of walk up only zealots.
Garbad
P.S. This applies class v class imo as well. For example, my druid in the old days was better on paper than both mepersoners and haldanes, but both could beat me fairly consistently. Why? Skill, pure and simple. They are better at dog positioning, hit and run, etc. And for that I congratulate them and put them on the very short list of people who can beat me class v class in a fair fight.
Thats skill, not bm.
inkanddagger
04-12-2004, 15:13
Yes, I used shift fury in every single duel. I run up to approx range 5 vs Pravdas v/t and then shift fury and hope he decides to charge/smite either at me or around me since I'm close.
Fury vs. Smite - Of course I'm holding shift, not namelocking at all - I think I actually watched a health bar once the entire time I was dueling.
Also, HandofElysium was really the only toe to toe I lost "consistently" but I don't think we had enough duels to really tell. Vs. Pravda I was like 68-3 or something. I'm not bragging, and Pravda wasn't complaining - He is an amazing strategist when it comes to playing v/ts. Dueling against smite is one of my favorite duels. I practically have a fetish for it. It's FUN.
I would like to get some better gear before I try an actual "forum challenge"
That isn't really what this was, per se. I was asking the peple here to help me decide which gear I should use, and to test out a few different setups.
This thread is a great reference now for people who want to learn how to duel in fury/smite situations, so I guess somehting positive has come from all of the disagreement.
HandOfElysium, will you be on later today, so we can do some private, discreet testing?
Garbad_the_Weak
04-12-2004, 15:16
Btw ink, im curious what setup you used. Do you mind posting it?
Garbad
Hey Ink, add me to your f list, I got a v/t that mostly a smiter, I'd love to test your druid with you. I just need to get back from a hotel banquet inducting my brother into the honor roll. Hope to see you on later. :xman:
Gremlins
04-12-2004, 15:33
Too much arrogance in this thread, especially for a dying game.
Grem
First of all, do the mods on this forum offer cold shower services?
Yes, I used shift fury in every single duel. I run up to approx range 5 vs Pravdas v/t and then shift fury and hope he decides to charge/smite either at me or around me since I'm close.
Fury vs. Smite - Of course I'm holding shift, not namelocking at all - I think I actually watched a health bar once the entire time I was dueling.
Also, HandofElysium was really the only toe to toe I lost "consistently" but I don't think we had enough duels to really tell. Vs. Pravda I was like 68-3 or something. I'm not bragging, and Pravda wasn't complaining - He is an amazing strategist when it comes to playing v/ts. Dueling against smite is one of my favorite duels. I practically have a fetish for it. It's FUN.
I don't know what other skills HandofElysium or Pravda actually used in these duels. I think, vs shift-fury wolves, it is better to just walk up to them and smite. If Pravda used charge/smite vs a 2h shift-fury, I'm willing to bet that he's almost dead everytime even before he switches to smite.
Well, I agree but I don't think thats cheap. Realizing you can't toe to toe and compensating in other ways isn't cheap, its skill.
If any1 ever hit the head on the nail regarding this, you did.
inkanddagger
04-12-2004, 16:10
First of all, do the mods on this forum offer cold shower services?
I don't know what other skills HandofElysium or Pravda actually used in these duels. I think, vs shift-fury wolves, it is better to just walk up to them and smite. If Pravda used charge/smite vs a 2h shift-fury, I'm willing to bet that he's almost dead everytime even before he switches to smite.
he used FoH, smite, meditation, and shift-charge in most. I won almost all of the toe to toe smite/fury duels as well though.
My understanding of this was that we could use any skill. Ink used rabies for example. I found the pets really annoying. I often got stuck trying to shift-charge away and got hit (and no, you can't use holy shock to kill them quickly). Ink, I don't think we dueled that many times. The result were more like 25-3 or something. But if you wanna count, we can do it again if you want.
And for anyone who wonder, my strategy was basically to charge, get a smite off, and then charge away. Charge almost always hits since he had no shield. I died due to charge locks a few times but usually it was no problems. I don't think he ever caught me with fury when I charged except one time. I usually dropped a FoH when he had swirlies to stun before charging in. I tried to take the oak out, but it was dragging behind and out of sight most of the time. The biggest problem I had was to get out of melee range. I stumbled on the pets a lot of times.
Weltkriegpally
04-12-2004, 21:30
try charging in and standing toe to toe. if you have a redeemer or somesuch, use that. you will get hit hard on the way in most likely, but you should be able to out tank him. make him chase you, and then foh to get the spirit. He has to come to you, if you want to play defensive. charging in and out will get you killed almost certainly. wolves have too high a life to make open wounds hugely effective. use smite damage to your advantage, and defense (I really suggest 18k+++). If you want to kill the spirit, just charge it and then charge him. he won't likely expect the bounce effect, and his life advantage likely just disappeared. IF its nightmare and the spirit is pi, don't worry. Open wounds kills it just the same, it just takes longer. good luck!
--welt
I tried redeemer once but the range just suck for these kind of duels. I think it's better just to walk up and smite. I tried to whisper him again but he seems too busy.
I tried redeemer once but the range just suck for these kind of duels. I think it's better just to walk up and smite. I tried to whisper him again but he seems too busy.
Why redeemer? I know astreon has slow but it's not that much. Why not a fury kingslayer or fury scourge? I could have lent you one. LMK next time. Cya bro.
inkanddagger
05-12-2004, 16:48
he was using kingslayer berzerker axe for the most part I think.
Yeah, my estimate was inflated.
Yes, the slow on astreons works against 5 frame fury (although it doesnt on 4 frame)
what else...
I'll list my gear and stats here, since Garbad asked so nicely:
350% ed ebotd great pole axe
34%ed, 16 str steelrends
war travs
31 vit, 15 dr verdungos
186% shaftstop
jalals with a 40 ed/4max jewel
highlords wrath
20 dext, 245 ar raven frost and 20 dext 198 ar ravenfrost
2 shapeshifting charms - one with 21 life, one with 24 life
one 5 fhr, 31 ar small charm (to hit the 42% fhr breakpoint)
13/14/7 annihilus
fourteen 20 life small charms
four 17-9 life small charms with 5% or so light res
four 32020s
rest are legit ar/max/life chamrs that sim traded me.
range: 5
damage listed: 3104-9214
attack rating: 19418
defense: 1402
damage reduced: 45%
life (with heart of the oak): 6999
rabies damage: ~2k (only to slow med)
faster run/walk: 25%
lighting resistance is maxed and stacked to 104 in NM
faster hit recovery: 42% (4 frame)
Gear that I would rather have used:
415%ed ebotd great poleaxe
shael jalals
bloodfists
08 gore riders
ber shaftstop
39 32020s and anni
anyone wanna donate? :D
I'm still looking for the ber shaft. I'll find it eventually. I can get you the shael jalals and bloodfists in the mean time.
inkanddagger
05-12-2004, 23:56
Good Duels in the Grove tonight everyone!
Nice duels tonight guys. The grove had more pallys in it than druids. Almost like Temple used to be.
We had lots of fun tonight. Too bad I had to go early but thx for the duels. I still hate why blizz screwed up a perfectly nice unique like astreon with slow. :(
HandofElysium
06-12-2004, 10:10
We had lots of fun tonight. Too bad I had to go early but thx for the duels. I still hate why blizz screwed up a perfectly nice unique like astreon with slow. :(
Thats why I never user asterons cause it's BM but not as BM as Lacerator. If your going to go BM might as go all the way.
So since everybody dueled last night any conclusions on further testing of fury vs smite?
wish i was on east :( zeal temple is dead on west....i want to make a fury/rabies druid but havent the slightest idea where to start, and i couldnt find one in the druid forum, i didnt look very hard though, is the 'grove' like temple for druids?
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