View Full Version : PvP Necro vs Barbs/Pallys
This is not for GM duels. This is just to deal with the pure smartasses on bnet that you run into occasionally playing pubby games. I have charachters in a variety of classes to deal with most asshats that I run into. The biggest problem I come up against is a really strong barb or smite/chargeadin. I have the necessary equip to set him up right. Just would like some outside opinions on this. The builds I am considering is...
1- Pure boner & max IM. Just spam spear/spirits while letting him also kill himself if/when he does get any hits in.
2- Laggamancer with max IM. Maybe a thorns merc with max skellys/revives/mages & just let him own himself.
3- Redo my poison/bone hybrid. Just would like a faster killing necro on them.
#1 & 2 was what I was mainly considering. I do have a p/b hybrid with 7.5k nova & ample spirit dmg also (marrowalk bug).
I'd just like to hear some opinions from the regulars of this forum. Just remember, this is not for a good mannered duel. This is just to plain kill a pubby smartass.
Go for pure bone nec. Assuming that you'll be using the marrow bug, you can put your extra points into curses and summons (like decrep, clay golem, golem mastery, revives, etc.). With good gear and knowing how to duel, you'll pretty much be an overwhelming force in pubbies. Against barbs and pallies, use spirit to get them on the move (preferrably in the direction you want) while spearing them to death. Against sorcs, use a combination of teeth and spear.. sometimes I like to set spirits as traps if they come near me.
I suggest reading souless' nec guide in the stickies. Very good guide.
- Terry
Also: a barb or pally with the IM curse on won't make them kill themselves. It's pretty much useless in duels.
Wasn't planning on using him in pubby duel games. Just for the occasional smartass found in pubby leveling games on bnet.
This is not for GM duels. This is just to deal with the pure smartasses on bnet that you run into occasionally playing pubby games. I have charachters in a variety of classes to deal with most asshats that I run into. The biggest problem I come up against is a really strong barb or smite/chargeadin. I have the necessary equip to set him up right. Just would like some outside opinions on this. The builds I am considering is...
1- Pure boner & max IM. Just spam spear/spirits while letting him also kill himself if/when he does get any hits in.
2- Laggamancer with max IM. Maybe a thorns merc with max skellys/revives/mages & just let him own himself.
3- Redo my poison/bone hybrid. Just would like a faster killing necro on them.
#1 & 2 was what I was mainly considering. I do have a p/b hybrid with 7.5k nova & ample spirit dmg also (marrowalk bug).
I'd just like to hear some opinions from the regulars of this forum. Just remember, this is not for a good mannered duel. This is just to plain kill a pubby smartass.
Maxing IM is pointless. If you have +skills one point is sufficient to kill any Barb/Pally when he hits your bone wall/summons/revives
If on the other hand he hits you directly no amount of IM will kill him before you're dead.
The best way is to IM then spam bone wall/prison, unless he can tele he'll be trapped.
I've got enigma, CTA & all the other goodies. I was thinking pure boner & max IM just for the added dmg for when they do get in a hit. Or a laggamancer to mainly use as a skellymancer for mf runs/rushes with the im for the occasional meelee smartass.
I've got enigma, CTA & all the other goodies. I was thinking pure boner & max IM just for the added dmg for when they do get in a hit. Or a laggamancer to mainly use as a skellymancer for mf runs/rushes with the im for the occasional meelee smartass.
No point. If they hit your golem or bone wall they auto-die.
If they hit you, it doesn't matter how much IM you have. They will never kill themselves.
Better to use decryp/weaken.
Weaken sucks. And decrep is a bad idea since it'd make the barb hit more with ww (if he uses ww, that is).
- Ter
No point. If they hit your golem or bone wall they auto-die.
If they hit you, it doesn't matter how much IM you have. They will never kill themselves.
Better to use decryp/weaken.
I'd have a gumby & could always cast walls/prisons. Just undecided how I wanna make this dude.
soulesschild
29-11-2004, 02:46
weaken does not suck.
weaken is used when decrep cant be. think about it.
What about the damage from barb with a high level im on him teleports into your mass pack of skellys/mages? Enough to kill him or only useful on walls/prisons?
What about the damage from barb with a high level im on him teleports into your mass pack of skellys/mages? Enough to kill him or only useful on walls/prisons?
I think IM will work in that case, because he does full damage vs summons.
Thanks for the advice so far. Gonna make some test dummies on SP or have a buddy of mine host a I game with a barb & test some things out.
im currently using a summoner to duel in pubbys, and when they hit skeles with IM on they won themselves like they do on normal monsters, even if a zeal pala clicks on u, the other 4 hits will kill him and u should be able to survive one hit :)
but casters own me usually, and its amazing how fast i die vs a javazon who uses fury ><
Barbs & smite-a-dins are both pretty much päwned by a Summon/Bone mancer. Following Dracoy's guide in the Guide Library, you shouldn't have any problems against the said characters.
unless u meet the new model ultra-babababas of oober poonage
hehe
xshinakuma
30-11-2004, 21:40
Come on necromancers, you don't need any curses, poison or skeletons to take out barbs and pallys...a regular bonemancer with maximum block can take them out easily if you are fast enough.
So far, no barb has gone better than 50% on me, and this is not by playing like a pussy and hiding..I'm going straight at them and taking my chances cause I find it fun.
That "no barb has gone better than 50% on me" remark is reffering to the BEST BARBS out there. Wei (Blobs), Mike (Mutilator)...and maybe a few others...
Most other barbs don't even make a dent on my health points...and melee paladins except for maybe a few good zealers, shouldn't even be worth mentioning against a good necromancer. The rest of them probabaly have the "No melee barb/pally has gone better than 5% on me" remark.
Mehatesmaphack
01-12-2004, 04:58
it's true. There's maybe 2-3 barbs i've seen that i can't beat just by spear locking/sniping. Also a marrow bug full dr,block nec with good life and fhr can pretty much tank any melee.
Herald of Doom
01-12-2004, 05:11
it's true. There's maybe 2-3 barbs i've seen that i can't beat just by spear locking/sniping. Also a marrow bug full dr,block nec with good life and fhr can pretty much tank any melee.
Meh, unfortunately that's true. The only bonenecs I can kill with my barb are the ones that lag/have no skill/have very bad equipment. Even a nec without enigma is hard enough, and when the nec has enigma I lose like 1-5. It usually only takes maximum 5-6 hits from a spear/spirit to kill me, while necs can easily tank a few whirls. One tactic that does work from time to time is my famous "100% OW 1-wwhit and RUN LIKE A CHICKEN". But I almost never do that because that's rather lame imo. So far my barb hasn't killed any summon/bone hybrid yet :(
HoD
come on necromancers, you don't need any curses, poison or skeletons to take out barbs ...
nah just bo, oak sage, and bone prison :)
We need to duel some more once I get cable at home.. Don't go quitting on me Steven. Who knows, maybe I'll be level 96 by then .. .. naaaahhhhh.
btw for the guy who wants a bm duel with his summoner.. i got my level 6 life tap wand right here for you buddy :)
Mehatesmaphack
01-12-2004, 22:27
Meh, unfortunately that's true. The only bonenecs I can kill with my barb are the ones that lag/have no skill/have very bad equipment. Even a nec without enigma is hard enough, and when the nec has enigma I lose like 1-5. It usually only takes maximum 5-6 hits from a spear/spirit to kill me, while necs can easily tank a few whirls. One tactic that does work from time to time is my famous "100% OW 1-wwhit and RUN LIKE A CHICKEN". But I almost never do that because that's rather lame imo. So far my barb hasn't killed any summon/bone hybrid yet :(
HoD
you need a good barb to be able to take out decent necros. try getting some more fcr and practice a lot. I've dueled a lot of godly barbs.(many of them are bvc) but only less than a handful of them know how to use barbs effectively.
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