Eschutas Glitch?Message:

[raiderjb]

Hey all

Ok what on earth is wrong with my eschutas? I am running a level 89 CL//FO sorc and very nice she is too.

I have actually been using a 50 all resist occy for about a year and this has been fine apart from the indescriminate tele funtion. Usually I run 8 skillers as this is what rush and generally help people out with.

Other eq

Shako +5-4 light facet
maras
viper um
Eschutas +25-5 lightning
Lidless um
Arac
Magefists
Silkweaves
2 x SOJ

I finally saw the 3 skill//+25-5 Eschutas for trade here in ETF and thought I would like to see and use with a good deal more damage. Thus the switch. Even though this costs a whopping 50 resists!

With the Occy I do 6 - 14k damage
With the Eschutas I do - BIG DRUMROLL 6-14k damage

Obviously the Eeschutas should be doing 25% more base damage than the Occy. By simply lifting shako with +5% from a RBF I drop and or add 1k damage. So my simple maths says I should be showing an additional 5k damage with Eschutas, 1k for every additional 5%.

So the question is guys what is wrong with my Eschutas, is it a dupe? or is there a simple explanation that I am missing here?

Yours hoping

Raider

[Thrugg]

When you say you drop 1K damage by taking off your socketed Shako, do you mean replacing it with another, unsocketed Shako? Because you are probably losing a lot from -2 CL and -2 LM without the Shako.

Also, the char screen doesn't display large numbers very well. Your 6-14k with the Shako might actually be 6 - 13.6k and then without the Shako drops to 6 - 13.4k. The rounding would make it look like you lost 1000, when it is really much less. And then the Eschuta's damage might actually be closer to 6 - 14.4k.

That said, that wouldn't seem to completely account for what you are seeing. I'm not sure if there is a bug with the reporting of damage from Faceted items in the char screen. The char screen is extremely buggy in general so it is entirely possible. Most of the time though it is actually right in the game, if that makes you feel better. Try running around killing things - does it seem to be more effective?

[Oscuro]

I have actually been using a 50 all resist occy for about a year ...
Where, pray tell, did you get a 50 resist all Oculus? Even with a 15 resist all jewel, you will only have 35 all resists.

[Andy2702]

Where, pray tell, did you get a 50 resist all Oculus? Even with a 15 resist all jewel, you will only have 35 all resists.

lol exactly what I was wondering... :lol:

Andy

[Liessa Wyrmbane]

The +25% Lightning Skill damage mod from Eschuta's is additive with Lightning Mastery so it is really not that big a bonus. Each extra level in Lightning Mastery yields +12% Lightning Skill damage, so basically the Eschuta's bonus is equivalent to +2 To Lightning Mastery (+24%). The -% Enemy Lightning Res in much more attractive bonus...

[raiderjb]

ROFL

Well now you mean you haven't heard of the new super jewel 30 all resists.

Erm seriously of course you are right the occy is 35 all res. Its just that I have had 3 fully equippped sorces for longer than I care to remember and two of them have 35 res occulus's, or is that occulii, that I just added the 15 to the 35 in error.

Thanks for input re damage, I was just amazed when I had run with occy's for so long that having put the Eschutas to the test I got absolutely no increase to the character screen reported damage even with an added 25%.

Interestingly just 1 skiller removed reduces damage by 1K indicated yet 25% added damage wont even add 1k. So I guess I'll just have to max skills and forget the Eschutas.

Anyone want one? I much prefer the 35 resists although the extra 10% FCR does at least allow me to hit the 117% FCR requirement for lightning, not that I have noticed any difference.

As I say I use this sorc for general running around and rushing mates so the occy has enough mf with shako to net me an abundance of items from just general play. All you occy bashers out there I think I'll stick with mine as I dont like having crap resists and MF. For PVP maybe the Esch is a better choice assuming You don't get hit.

Leissa erm thats the crux of the problem really I just am not seeing an increase or equivalent of 2 to lighning mastery, in fact I'm not even seeing the equivalent of 1

Anyone else got any input to the 25% damage giving less damage than 1skill. I certainly would be interested

Thx again Raider

[Herald of Doom]

Just out of curiosity, could you equip occu, check exact dmg, switch to eschuta and check dmg again please? Not in the char screen, but in the skilltree. My friend has been thinking about trading for an eschuta, this might be my chance to prove him wrong :p But like Thrugg said, the LCS rounds up/down, so my 24-25 k meteor is actually 23xx-24xx :teeth:

HoD

[Liessa Wyrmbane]

Leissa erm thats the crux of the problem really I just am not seeing an increase or equivalent of 2 to lighning mastery, in fact I'm not even seeing the equivalent of 1

Anyone else got any input to the 25% damage giving less damage than 1skill. I certainly would be interested

+1 to Lightning Skills increases all lightning skills (obviously) and that's why it's much better than +2 to Lightning Mastery.

See this example:
lvl 39 Lightning with lvl 39 LM: x - 14426 damage
lvl 39 Lightning with lvl 41 LM: x - 14790 damage (+364)
lvl 40 Lightning with lvl 40 LM: x - 15104 damage (+678)

As you can see, +1 lightning skills yields far greater increase than +2 to lightning mastery (which Eschuta's basically is).

[raiderjb]

Hmmmz Interesting

HOD Yep no problem I will do that for you when I get home, at work now unfortunately.

Leissa, verrry interrrresting so the eschutas +25% is actually equivalent to lightning mastery added damage, when I really need just +skills or lightning skills.

Interestingly enough I used a Baezels vortex ages ago due to the synergy bug (Nova from memory) and this gives an additional 2k over and above the Eschutas//Occy option. Of course you lose the 30//40% FCR which renders it diificult to build round.

I have had +45 lightning//mastery on this char many moons ago just for the hell of it. I'll maybe try this again just to inform of the damage increase by way of comparison.

Thx for inputs

Raider

[raiderjb]

Hey HOD

Just a note to give you the info you requested

Eschutas equipped = 14379
Occy equipped = 13824
Baezils equipped = 16178

So pays your money and takes your choice

Raider

[fhpchris]

The 25% is just added to lightning mastery, making it not noticable, but you will notice the -5 enemy resistances on the facet.

[Herald of Doom]

Hey HOD

Just a note to give you the info you requested

Eschutas equipped = 14379
Occy equipped = 13824
Baezils equipped = 16178

So pays your money and takes your choice

Raider
Thanks ! Occy it is :D

HoD