Did I screw up my windy?

[Andy2702]

Hmm...help....I invested some points into strength, so I can use a dusk shroud enigma (if i had one) instead of a breastplate enigma (if i had one :p)
Is this good? Or should I restart?

Thnx for any replies,
Andy

[Rauth]

Kind of depends.

If you are level 95 with only a few points in str, don't restart ;)

If you are lvl 10 with 60 points in str, restart.

Whenever I get a piece of gear that radically alters my build I usually remake. Enigma would count as one of those. Just for reference, bplate enigma is cheaper than dusk in general, and is also better for windy. Personally, I like mageplate. Orange pants are bad.

[Andy2702]

oh god....:bonk:

im level 22.....

arrgh lol....FENRIS!! Come back here and explain to me why you said to pump str to 60...... :rant: lol jk

Rauth......so...mageplate>bp for you? What armor is your druid using? whats his str? whats the str requirements for bp and mage enigma? isn't the defense kind of low.....will it affect my druid in any way?

Thnx a whole lot :thumbsup:
Andy

[-Ferro-]

Well;
if you read Fenris guide, im sure youll find over there the reason for pumping strengh up to 60 (gear-wise).

My advice: Wait till you get enigma for pumping strengh, if you seriously are plaining getting one. 60 base strengh +medium anni +maras + shaco givesyou the strengh you need for dusk, 77. If you use Trek boots, you can use enigma without anni (dont know if u already got one).

Which base armor for enigma? Melee chars having an skill that boost its def usually try to get the optimal average in terms of strengh/def when choosing the armor. For my taste, Dusk is the best with 77 strengh. Others prefer archon, which requires 102 strengh. Some barbs or zealots builds based on an high strengh, go for the higest def on armor, sacred is a very popular on among this builds. On the other hand, for casters and other char that don´t have any boost on defense, the more life the better. Breast plate has 1xx def. Enigma adds 7xx, so once you make r/w on it youll get around 900. Dusk shroud gives, lets say 500 def; after r/w it would have 12xx. A wind druid only gains 300 def , ie 1700 if uses breast and 2000 if dusk. This is nothing in terms of reducing the chances to get hitted. A hammerdin having Holly Shield this 300 def would become into 3k more def, interesting. An smiter with max defiance skill could gain..6k? That worths the strengh investment in going from 35 (breast plate) to 77 (Dusk), while life is not severely dropped (guessing numbres with the def they gain, only trying to explain, if you know the amounts for sure, plz correct me and post that values). For a druid with oak sage and cta, this 42 strengh are quite a nice bite of life, plus he gains nothing for having more def.

My personal choice is mage plate (superior). 55 strengh req, mine has 303 def. After enigma it has close to 1100 def. I think its an averaged point, (plus it kinda keeps a good trade value), but others may disagree with me.

just my 2 cents...

fer

[Sword & Shield]

Well;
if you read Fenris guide, im sure youll find over there the reason for pumping strengh up to 60 (gear-wise).

My advice: Wait till you get enigma for pumping strengh, if you seriously are plaining getting one. 60 base strengh +medium anni +maras + shaco givesyou the strengh you need for dusk, 77. If you use Trek boots, you can use enigma without anni (dont know if u already got one).

Which base armor for enigma? Melee chars having an skill that boost its def usually try to get the optimal average in terms of strengh/def when choosing the armor. For my taste, Dusk is the best with 77 strengh. Others prefer archon, which requires 102 strengh. Some barbs or zealots builds based on an high strengh, go for the higest def on armor, sacred is a very popular on among this builds. On the other hand, for casters and other char that don´t have any boost on defense, the more life the better. Breast plate has 1xx def. Enigma adds 7xx, so once you make r/w on it youll get around 900. Dusk shroud gives, lets say 500 def; after r/w it would have 12xx. A wind druid only gains 300 def , ie 1700 if uses breast and 2000 if dusk. This is nothing in terms of reducing the chances to get hitted. A hammerdin having Holly Shield this 300 def would become into 3k more def, interesting. An smiter with max defiance skill could gain..6k? That worths the strengh investment in going from 35 (breast plate) to 77 (Dusk), while life is not severely dropped (guessing numbres with the def they gain, only trying to explain, if you know the amounts for sure, plz correct me and post that values). For a druid with oak sage and cta, this 42 strengh are quite a nice bite of life, plus he gains nothing for having more def.

My personal choice is mage plate (superior). 55 strengh req, mine has 303 def. After enigma it has close to 1100 def. I think its an averaged point, (plus it kinda keeps a good trade value), but others may disagree with me.

just my 2 cents...

fer

I disagree... :teeth:

I say leave your str base and use a anni(+15/x/x) to get up to +30 str.

Str Plan: 15(base)+20(anni)+60(enig at clvl80)+15(sandtreks)+7(maras + shako)=117, Plus a fcr ring or 2 with str, will let you wear SS.

Since casters arent dependent on defence, that 200-300 defence the mage will add doesnt make a difference, and that 20 str or so saved can be spilled in vit :).

[Rauth]

I use mage over bplate because of style. I have around 30 base str on my windy with 4.5k life. I don't see an extra 100ish life helping me much, so I stick to style with mageplate ;)

I also don't like limiting my gear selections based on needing str. I don't factor in treks or maras when deciding how much str I need. Versatility>100ish life for me.

[Sword & Shield]

I work on being efficent, I dont care about looks; I could look like a clown for all i care. If i can go without strength, then ill go without strength. Its really your choice.

Rauth - How can you get 4.5k life on a druid... with my barb i had around 4.4k life without his life charms. You mightve mistaken it for 3.5k?

[Andy2702]

Rauth - How can you get 4.5k life on a druid... with my barb i had around 4.4k life without his life charms. You mightve mistaken it for 3.5k?

lets say he has 2.5k life....and oak sage dubles his life or so....
taking a guess for this post obviously :thumbsup:

I say leave your str base and use a anni(+15/x/x) to get up to +30 str.

Problem is Ill never get an anni :bonk: :surprise: , so should I stick with pumping a litle points into str or not? Or simply get str charms?
Andy



(btw, whats the str requirements for bp and mage enigma? and is enigma required level 63 or so?)

[Rauth]

I have 4.5k life on my druid after bo and oak at lvl 92. 4592 to be exact :)

A perfectly charmed windy(disgustingly expensive) with max block will have about 6k life at lvl 95ish.

Might as well add the str Andy, since 20 life scs will add much more life than the extra vita points could.

Str req for bp is nothing. Req for mage is 55. Level req for enigma is 65 or 63 I forget.

[Sword & Shield]

I have 4.5k life on my druid after bo and oak at lvl 92. 4592 to be exact :)

A perfectly charmed windy(disgustingly expensive) with max block will have about 6k life at lvl 95ish.

Might as well add the str Andy, since 20 life scs will add much more life than the extra vita points could.

Str req for bp is nothing. Req for mage is 55. Level req for enigma is 65 or 63 I forget.

OHhhhhhhh I totallly forgot the oak... sorry.

[firstwave]

a couple points into str isnt that significant. My windy is lvl 14 and I have 65 raw str points. No big deal

[Rauth]

50 str=50 vit= 100 life=~350+ after bo and oak. Not that 350 life is going to make a Huge diff, but it does look nicer :)

Charms are the real source of life for a windy. Total possible gain in charms with 9 20life scs and 10, 40life gc setup=580 x 3.55=~2000 with lvl 30 oak(175%) and lvl16 bo(80%). Add this to your life without charms (~1000 x 3.55=3550) and you have a sexy 5.5k life windy :)
Obviously you can get even more with a higher level and higher level bo/oak.

Trick for any windy to get a slight amount more life:
Battle command yourself, then cast oak, then battle command again. This will give you a +2 bonus on oak rather than a +1 normally. Another 5 % life is nice :)

[firstwave]

wow u ppl are so rich... I just managed to get some goodies for my windy after I annexed my friends' accounts :)

about what u said.. The only reason ur going for base str is because u use Enigma. But not all ppl use enigma now rite? In CH duels, Enigmas arent as significant because teleport is not allowed. So a CoH or good magi is sort of better.

And yes its charms that decide the Druid's HP, but perfect 20 life charms are not that easily obtained. The +1 ele +40 is even harder to find. So normally, it is 9 x 15+ life charms and 10 plain ele gc maybe with a few life and Anni. So yes the hp will be decreased by a lot but most ppl doesnt have that "godly" gears anyways so it balances out in the end.

[Rauth]

I would still use enigma for non-tele duels. The frw and str are crucial. You won't need the resistances from coh, and you won't need all that much fast cast since you arn't teleporting so that makes magi kind of useless.

Enigma isn't as important in CH but it is still the best windy armor.

18-20 lifers are actually pretty cheap, and you really only need 9 tops.

I'm really not that rich, I just mentioned the perfect gear. 10 40 life ele gcs would be like... 150+ high runes. 10 45 life ele gcs would cost like...200+ high runes if you could even find them. Highest I have ever seen is a 44 lifer.

You can still be very effecitve without all those perfect charms, since like you mentioned, most people don't have them.