HELP! Bone Nec vs Trapsin

[TheOlcFaileas]

Ok I currently have a lvl 85 trap assasin. She uses all you typical pvp trap gear:
BP Enigma
Arach/Tgods
2x Soj/Wisp/Raven
Sandstorm
Magefist
Ber'd SS/Sanctuary
Maras
Um'd Shako
Hoto/trap claws
Cta/lidless on switch
10x Trap Gc


Now what I've been killing myself over here is that my traps do 10k wit shield, 11k wit claws (no facet bullcrap either) and thats great, but all it takes is some sorb gear to make me useless.
So now I've been thinking about making a PvP Bone nec. He could use most of my current gear, and with some trading I'm sure I could swap the trap gcs for bone gcs. My train of thought is that magic damage cannot be absorbed, therefore a bone nec may be better. But he has obvious advantages and disadvantages compared to trapper.

Advantages:
)Magic damage
)A true homing attack
)Clay golem has way more health that shadow master, and it slows
)The possibility of putting some points into revive and stacking


Disadvantages:
)My assassin has Fade, which means she has great dr, and max resis in hell, even witout sanctuary
)My traps do more max damage than my bone spirit would



My biggest hang up is Fade, cause I don't want a PvP char wit less than full resis. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give me your opinions. Also if anyone knows how much damage bone spirit would do wit my setup (including marrow bug) please tell me.

[Mooker899]

Ok I currently have a lvl 85 trap assasin. She uses all you typical pvp trap gear:
BP Enigma
Arach/Tgods
2x Soj/Wisp/Raven
Sandstorm
Magefist
Ber'd SS/Sanctuary
Maras
Um'd Shako
Hoto/trap claws
Cta/lidless on switch
10x Trap Gc


Now what I've been killing myself over here is that my traps do 10k wit shield, 11k wit claws (no facet bullcrap either) and thats great, but all it takes is some sorb gear to make me useless.
So now I've been thinking about making a PvP Bone nec. He could use most of my current gear, and with some trading I'm sure I could swap the trap gcs for bone gcs. My train of thought is that magic damage cannot be absorbed, therefore a bone nec may be better. But he has obvious advantages and disadvantages compared to trapper.

Advantages:
)Magic damage
)A true homing attack
)Clay golem has way more health that shadow master, and it slows
)The possibility of putting some points into revive and stacking


Disadvantages:
)My assassin has Fade, which means she has great dr, and max resis in hell, even witout sanctuary
)My traps do more max damage than my bone spirit would



My biggest hang up is Fade, cause I don't want a PvP char wit less than full resis. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give me your opinions. Also if anyone knows how much damage bone spirit would do wit my setup (including marrow bug) please tell me.

Although Im a trapper enthusiast, I also have a Bone Necro. He has Ressist like this with my gear 75/75/75/65. Not to Shabby eh? He does 6k with Hoto.
It's a different type of Damage though my friend, when I have my dmg set-up on my necro does 7k+ and can kill sorces and pallys in 1 hit.

[TheOlcFaileas]

Although Im a trapper enthusiast, I also have a Bone Necro. He has Ressist like this with my gear 75/75/75/65. Not to Shabby eh? He does 6k with Hoto.
It's a different type of Damage though my friend, when I have my dmg set-up on my necro does 7k+ and can kill sorces and pallys in 1 hit.

what gear does he use? that includes charms

[HybrOI]

Max Resistances is easy with a typical setup...something like:
Shako(Cham)
Mara's
Homon(Um)
Enigma
HotO
Arach
SoJx2
Trang Gloves
Marrowalks
Anni
10xGCs
9x20/Res All
CtA

That's just what most people use in public games.

[TheOlcFaileas]

Max Resistances is easy with a typical setup...something like:
Shako(Cham)
Mara's
Homon(Um)
Enigma
HotO
Arach
SoJx2
Trang Gloves
Marrowalks
Anni
10xGCs
9x20/Res All
CtA

That's just what most people use in public games.


I have a couple comments and a question about that

1) I don't have an anni
2) I don't have 9x20/res all


And the question is: Is a homonc good for dueling? I kno an um'd one offers a lot resis and skills, but what about against melee? I have a ber'd ss that I might wanna use...

[soulesschild]

you want good bone necro setups? look here

http://soulesschild.hiveports.com/necguide/

[TheOlcFaileas]

you want good bone necro setups? look here

http://soulesschild.hiveports.com/necguide/

good guide, thanks :thumbsup: . but no one has really given me a definitive answer yet (if there is one).... bone nec VS trapsin..... which is better pvp?

[Phyrexial]

Bone necro will kill 99% of duelers if played right and the only thing you can do against one that really can stop you is Slow Missiles which isn't even a total negation. Oh yeah, and those 95% es/mdr sorcs. But besides those you can take just about anything if you can play the necro correctly and build it right. However, just remember that in the higher levels of play a necro really is only as good as you play it. If you aren't adept at teleing/aiming you can and will be easily dispatched by a skilled BvC barb, Windy, most sorcs, etc.

Trappers are pretty damn easy to play and combined with Mindblast can kill just about any class with relative ease and no skill required provided no absorb/max res is used.

Basically its how good of a player are you and what is your stance on absorb/max res. I prefer my necro because I'm confident that I cannot be negated by 99% of bnet and if my skill is up to par, I can beat anything with my necro. Trappers have a much easier time killing things until they get BM. I run into alot of BM players, hence my choice of necro.

[Rauth]

Gah. Does no one play windy on east? Windys beat necs on west, and I don't see any way they can get around it unless blizz randomly decides to fix minion stack.

[Phyrexial]

Gah. Does no one play windy on east? Windys beat necs on west, and I don't see any way they can get around it unless blizz randomly decides to fix minion stack.
Because I haven't seen it, I still hold that a very well played necro will beat a very well played windy unless the gear discrepancy was very great. I know this matchup has shifted one way or the other on this forum after various members have given "proof" of somekind (|2aider vs Fenris for example), but until I've seen it with my own eyes this is my theory.

And like I've said, if I can do it with my weak necro then it should be cake for a fully decked out necro. I've lost consistently to Lydia when she played, but then again that was back when I had no skillers and an even crappier setup while she had flawless gear. I'm hardly the best necro out there, far from it. I see no reason for a much better player than myself with better gear to be losing consistently to similar druids.

Anyway, on topic. I see the necro as being able to cover alot more classes than a trapper.

[Rauth]

All I know is the best necs on west(presumably richer than you, and as near as skilled) lose to the best windys on west in a pretty bad ratio. Hell, if I can get kills on the best ones with dialup and relatively poor gear(charmwise~), then cable windys with 6k life can and do crush them. Ask anyone who duels a lot on west and they will tell you the same thing(I think :)).
Chris where are you? Back me up!

Maybe you just use a tactic westies haven't thought of. Any tips for NvD to share other than the standard teeth away minions/spear them to death tactic?

[sheepe2004]

I have a couple comments and a question about that

1) I don't have an anni
2) I don't have 9x20/res all


And the question is: Is a homonc good for dueling? I kno an um'd one offers a lot resis and skills, but what about against melee? I have a ber'd ss that I might wanna use...
surely if you can afford all that amazing gear you can afford an anni right?

if not just go kill dclone yourself, ok so it can take a day or two of waiting but its worth it

[TheOlcFaileas]

surely if you can afford all that amazing gear you can afford an anni right?

if not just go kill dclone yourself, ok so it can take a day or two of waiting but its worth it


I do have good stuff, but the hang up on getting an anni isn't because i do/don't have good stuff. I tried trading for one awhile ago and I got beat (i dropped they dropped and next thing i kno they tele while in town and i just got beat). so that really shook my confidence on getting one. question about uber diablo: are you saying that if i basically stay in any one game long enough he'll show? and if that's the case, if i miss the message, will he leave the game?

[Rauth]

Trade on the forums here with a trusted member. If you are on west nl I'm selling 5 or 6 of them.

[OMGLOLKKTHX]

Make a bone nec just because you can't get absorbed.

[Phyrexial]

All I know is the best necs on west(presumably richer than you, and as near as skilled) lose to the best windys on west in a pretty bad ratio. Hell, if I can get kills on the best ones with dialup and relatively poor gear(charmwise~), then cable windys with 6k life can and do crush them. Ask anyone who duels a lot on west and they will tell you the same thing(I think :)).
Chris where are you? Back me up!

Maybe you just use a tactic westies haven't thought of. Any tips for NvD to share other than the standard teeth away minions/spear them to death tactic?
I think you have the exact opposite luck on West that I do on East. I can't understand how Windies are beating even the top necros and you can fathom the opposite. Very interesting. Perhaps next ladder season I'll start on West and we'll have some fun. :evil:

[Mehatesmaphack]

I think you have the exact opposite luck on West that I do on East. I can't understand how Windies are beating even the top necros and you can fathom the opposite. Very interesting. Perhaps next ladder season I'll start on West and we'll have some fun. :evil:

Let's just say I've beaten every nec I've encountered with my 4 gc,20 fhr druid 20-1 or better at my peak when I played him semi-regularly. In fact the only times I died when I didn't lag out was when I kept recasting ravens instead of doing a teleport because i had too many chars. For proof you can ask many of the top necs on this forum and many top duelers of all classes. I've said this so many times now that i'm ****ing tired of bragging about the same thing over and over. I've dueled against hundreds of necs including aaers, legit people who can aim like aa, the most knowledgable and skilled necros with near perfect gear and pure vita marrow bug build. None of them ever beat me more than 50% ,and in serious 1on1 duels none of the got better than 10%.

If you really think a nec can win just by doing run and spam you are very wrong. Eternalspirit made me duel 5 ai necros in a row to prove druid > nec. If you were on west you'd know ai people have every hack availabe in the game although i doubt any of them was using aa they certain had good gear. 4 of the necs did nothing but tele away and spam teeth and occasional spears only one of them ever came close to killing me and it was the first round when I was sucking and couldn't lock fast enough. I still managed to kill each of them multiple times without dying. NOT TO MENTION THE DRUID CAN JUST DO THE SAME.

tele away and spam only gives the druid more of an advantage. Minion stacking completely negats ibs so running away and spamming against a druid is pointless and teeth are easy dodge too and do little damage. Not to mention bone spells cost way more mana and spamming will make a necro run out of mana fast whearas nados only cost 10 mana per cast. My druid has 1.3k mana and i never even have to pot in duels. In fact, invisble tornados are more effective than any invsible projectiles a necro can create in NVD.

now don't tell me necro > druid because fenris lost to raider. Fenris was at most an average druid by nl west standard at the time. I wouldn't be suprised if he's 10000 times better. But back then he flamed people for telling him that mage enigma > archon enigma for druids for crying out loud.
Fenris lasted a grand total of 3 seconds in 2 duels against Eternalspirit before he chickened out. and you can ask eternalspirit how badly i beat him every time we dueled espeically when I played my druid regularly. Eternalspirit is undoubtly one of the most skilled necros on all the realms. He gets hundreds of aa accusations a day sometimes even by some of the best players and he owns aa necs.(of course he still dies to them sometimes.)

wind druid > bone necro period. The druid doesn't even have to be that good If he just wants to win and play defensively. If you think otherwise then you have never ever dueled a half decent druid.

I don't see why you brought up lydia. everyone knows she used/uses aa. unless you brought her up to suggest only aa druids can beat necros.

[dkay]

"eth" is the best in all realms?
haha i dont fee bad that ive lost to him so many times now :)

[Mehatesmaphack]

"eth" is the best in all realms?
haha i dont fee bad that ive lost to him so many times now :)

Don't twist my words. he's one of the best. it's pretty pointless to say that someone is the "best."

He has owned literally thousands of pub games and dominated countless private games and he gets aa accusations almost every single time he duels.

I've pubbed and private dueled so much to a point where I've met many random duelers in random pub or private games multiple times. (yes i'm a nerd :lol: )
and I have almost never seen anyone better and very few that are nearly as good. I met both you and rauth in random duel games,remember?

I've dueled on east before and I can tell you that I wasn't impressed.Also from what i've seen on the forums I can tell that East is pretty much completely ruined by aa and other hacks right now if top duelers on east actually think sorcs cant' even hit a half decent zon and no half decent nec should ever lose to any druid.

[dkay]

I've pubbed and private dueled so much to a point where I've met many random duelers in random pub or private games multiple times. (yes i'm a nerd )
and I have almost never seen anyone better and very few that are nearly as good. I met both you and rauth in random duel games,remember?

hah yah. i think i caught your eye when i luckily killed 2 xes on a 2v1. crisis and some other guy like purge or soemthing. :P

ya, lately ive been hearing that east duelers are supposedl'y "way better" than westies. (i get most of this on b net while people chit chat during baal runs)

[Mehatesmaphack]

I've pubbed and private dueled so much to a point where I've met many random duelers in random pub or private games multiple times. (yes i'm a nerd )
and I have almost never seen anyone better and very few that are nearly as good. I met both you and rauth in random duel games,remember?

hah yah. i think i caught your eye when i luckily killed 2 xes on a 2v1. crisis and some other guy like purge or soemthing. :P

ya, lately ive been hearing that east duelers are supposedl'y "way better" than westies. (i get most of this on b net while people chit chat during baal runs)

your build caught my eyes. it's not that hard to kill crisis. The guy has no res whatsoever and dies in 1 foh and he's so aggressive that he just stupidly tele locks hammerdins and gets hammered everytime. He lost to my barb like 50 times straight, he's just too damn aggressive against builds that he shouldn't play like that against.

i doubt it. I owned east games with a **** char i made in 2 weeks and i started from scratch. If east people think no sorc can hit a decent zon with anything but an occasional orb shard then they are saying there isn't a single sorc on east that doens't suck horribly. I just don't see how it can be that hard,espeically considering ts autoaims.

blobs and I ran into some kid spamming how east >>>> west and how all west people sucked and a bunch of stupid crap while he was getting owned by everyone in the game over and over without even landing a hit on anyone.

[RainofChaos220]

i doubt it. I owned east games with a **** char i made in 2 weeks and i started from scratch

Lol....I highly doubt you could own a tristram run filled with lv 10 characters. And east>west by far lol, why are you guys even bothering to discuss this uncontested fact?

[TheOlcFaileas]

LOL I'm glad my post has evolved from nec vs trapsin, to nec vs wind druid, to east realm vs west :lol: Now i'm thinking bout wind druid.....j/p, i'm nowhere near good enough at pvp yet to have a windy. I just started pvp maybe like a month ago.

[dth]

Hell, if I can get kills on the best ones with dialup and relatively poor gear(charmwise~), then cable windys with 6k life can and do crush them.

your charm problem will be solved soon :)

btw on my ele druid I have a doom in stash just in case you really want to piss off melee

also I dunno what level your druid is but I have a 19/20/5 anni on him also

also have +2 druid/fast cast circlet and amulets in stash (ones crafted with resists but it has lvl 95 req :/)

If you have a half decent connection then bone necro is your better choice

[Rauth]

Heh. I have a 20/20/05 anni on my druid. But the doom and circlet/amys will be fun to play with ;) Always wanted to try doom+lidless+circlet vs necros. Hurricane might actually make some difference then.

2.5 levels to 95 :(

[Mehatesmaphack]

Lol....I highly doubt you could own a tristram run filled with lv 10 characters. And east>west by far lol, why are you guys even bothering to discuss this uncontested fact?

ya you are right the gayness in east > the gayness in west. East is full of idiots who go around pimping hacks like you.

[dkay]

rain how can you even talk? all you do is promote hacks. everyone here knows that. how bout you get someone that is respected in the east to do the talking.

[Mehatesmaphack]

rain how can you even talk? all you do is promote hacks. everyone here knows that. how bout you get someone that is respected in the east to do the talking.

because all real duelers on east or west will just make fun of anything he says.

[Dennis_KoreanGuy]

11k... :cheesy: :thumbsup:

- Dennis

[Phyrexial]

@mehatesmaphack: I won't comment on any of this east vs west stuff since I obviously have no experience dueling on west or with westies. I can't imagine there being a huge discrepancy either way, I figure they are about the same.

As far as my theory that necros > windies, its just that. A theory. I don't play very often anymore and when I do I LLD as opposed to HLD, but remembering back to my days of HLDing, I don't remember necros losing consistently across the board to windies. Next ladder season I'll try to put together a necro on West instead of my usual East if lag doesn't prove to be an issue and perhaps I'll get to play you. In the meantime, if you can mop up with a 2 week old dueler please do come over to East NL and show me what I'm missing on West.

You can tell me that Windies > Necros all day and I'm not going to believe it until I see it. I see them as generally being equals with a slight tilt towards necros.

[dkay]

more minionstack is what makes druids get the tilt in thier favor. if you ever get on the west try dueling rauth as well. hes a very good windy even on 56k.

[Rauth]

And it only cost me a ww sin setup to get him to say that ;)

Hmmmmmm. If I had a decent nec setup on west I wouldn't have a problem with letting you borrow it.....but I don't :(

*looks at chris*

[dkay]

stop tempting me to come back rauth. actually i cant cuz the cd is broken!!! tape pls.

i think i did fairly well with that sin against you. lost all 3 games we played sin vrs drui but i got your life down pretty good in 2 of em :)
btw what does wwsins and windys have to do with necros and windies

[Mehatesmaphack]

@mehatesmaphack: I won't comment on any of this east vs west stuff since I obviously have no experience dueling on west or with westies. I can't imagine there being a huge discrepancy either way, I figure they are about the same.

As far as my theory that necros > windies, its just that. A theory. I don't play very often anymore and when I do I LLD as opposed to HLD, but remembering back to my days of HLDing, I don't remember necros losing consistently across the board to windies. Next ladder season I'll try to put together a necro on West instead of my usual East if lag doesn't prove to be an issue and perhaps I'll get to play you. In the meantime, if you can mop up with a 2 week old dueler please do come over to East NL and show me what I'm missing on West.

You can tell me that Windies > Necros all day and I'm not going to believe it until I see it. I see them as generally being equals with a slight tilt towards necros.

I know what you mean, good windies are a lot rarer than good necs. Not that windies take mad skillz to play or uber gear. There are just so few half decent legit windies. I haven't lost to any legit windies with my 10 frame necro either but only because i don't play him much and i havent' fought one that knows what he's doing. ( plus i'm not a bad necro player)

Maybe i'll let you duel my windy with my own necro when I get cable or dsl again. ( in a few weeks. that'll be some weird ****) You'll have to figure out a way to ge 9 frame yourself though. I'm not gonna spend a ****load just so you can duel me. another problem is "my nec" is partly my friend's and it's on his account. I also have access to a pretty good nec but it's my friend's and can't let you use.

You should be able to find some good windies that'll dominate any nec on East too unless East isn't nearly as good as west. They don't even need to have good reflex or hand eye coordination if they just wanna play defensively and win. I thought east and west were the same too until luis said no decent zon would ever get hit by anything from a sorc other than occasional orb shards.

[Rauth]

Hah. You shoulda seen chris using your ww sin vs me. He was doing great until he ran out of mana every single time. ;)

Firetraps+mb+ww=nt.

[dkay]

gah mana problems are sucha pain lolz.
chris you do know that sin was more dex than needed? stupid testing keke.
im thinking that substituting 2 gcs for 20/17s would be way better. imagine the mana boost with bo.

[Kodachi_ysaane]

Eternalspirit is undoubtly one of the most skilled necros on all the realms. He gets hundreds of aa accusations a day sometimes even by some of the best players and he owns aa necs.(of course he still dies to them sometimes.)

Subversus is definatly the best necro on any realm...
He has been playing nec since 1.09, and is also probobly the best all around dueler as well.
On east sc NL his accounts are *Subversus and *subv2.
He has tied with the best druid on east as well when they duel.
On his sorc hes as pro as the best, he IS the best necro, and he is the only person I've seen able to effectively use my ww sin build, he picked it up right away.

Druids > Necs for the most part, especially in pubs, but when the best fight the best it's about even. Also there is a trick to slay aa druids in 3 teeth but im not going to give that away :-)

[dkay]

Eternalspirit is undoubtly ONE OF THE MOST SKILLED NECROS on all the realms.

i capitalized because for some reason i cant bold :(

one of the best, never said the best. though i think its not good to make sucha hasty comment that there is a definite "best" player on any realm. especially if he hasnt dueled in the east/asia/europe etc. i guess you can say that hes the best publisized dueler on the east, just remember there is always someone out there thats better than you. (got that from a commercial i think) :O

[Mehatesmaphack]

Subversus is definatly the best necro on any realm...
He has been playing nec since 1.09, and is also probobly the best all around dueler as well.
On east sc NL his accounts are *Subversus and *subv2.
He has tied with the best druid on east as well when they duel.
On his sorc hes as pro as the best, he IS the best necro, and he is the only person I've seen able to effectively use my ww sin build, he picked it up right away.

Druids > Necs for the most part, especially in pubs, but when the best fight the best it's about even. Also there is a trick to slay aa druids in 3 teeth but im not going to give that away :-)

My cousin's little pubby is definatly the best sin player of all time....

she has been playing sin since -1.09, and is probalby the best all around dueler as well.
On east sc NL closed realm her accounts are trapsr4newbs and a bunch of others.
she has beaten everyone from every planet,galaxy,dimesion,etc.
On her barb she's 1337 as the the gosuest, she IS be da best necro too, and she is the only person/creature I've seen able to effectivly use my naked lvl 9 barb build. she picked it up right away and ***** god mode users in 1 punch.( don't ask me how i don't trust you guys enough. I can only tell someone trusty worthy and respectable on the forum like Mr. Meeker.)

All > Sins for the most part pubs or private, but when she fights the best she still wins. Also there is a trick to slay God mode using people by throwing a thawing potion at them on diablo2 closed realms without using hacks or exploiting glitches yourself. but don't ask me how cause i'm not going to give that away. I can prove it with screen shots and I have actually recorded some of her battles agasint god mode users on video tape. However, i'm not going to post them because I cannot trust you guys.

[dkay]

and she is the only person/creature I've seen able to effectivly use my naked lvl 9 barb build.
haha gotta good laugh off this one.

[insane_knights]

Kodachi what are u talking about? Nec > Druids in pubs. Only in private skilled druid vs skilled necro will the druid beat the necro badly.

Kodachi you have no credibility anymore. You can kill a 5 k life druid in 3 teeth? Wow what is that like 100 dmg? Your too 1337 for me.

You cant really say anyone is the best dueler. have you dueled eternalspirit before?

Your probably one of those duelers who get killed by fallens before you even attack your opponent.

[Mehatesmaphack]

Kodachi what are u talking about? Nec > Druids in pubs. Only in private skilled druid vs skilled necro will the druid beat the necro badly.

Kodachi you have no credibility anymore. You can kill a 5 k life druid in 3 teeth? Wow what is that like 100 dmg? Your too 1337 for me.

You cant really say anyone is the best dueler. have you dueled eternalspirit before?

Your probably one of those duelers who get killed by fallens before you even attack your opponent.

did he have any to begin with? he was just telling garbad to use 70mana/15 life scs and mana pots in CH on the barb forum.

[RainofChaos220]

It's always very amusing to see newbies like Mehatesmaphack talk crap thinking either they or west in general are hot stuff. Ooh 70/15 manas are east only..what's the point of mentioning them to west duelers? And mana pots ARE legit I don't care what newbie filled leagues like CH say about it. (omg let's ban teleport on sorceress because I only like melee),

Your probably one of those duelers who get killed by fallens before you even attack your opponent.

Sorry, but I've seen Koda's sin in pubs and casterpk and I guarantee he could ruin any of you trash talkers 4vs1 including your "best on all realms necro" without trying.

[Rauth]

I love the pvp forum. ;)

David you lazy bum. Use those quotes!

Not sure how anyone can say anyone is the best on all realms when that person has only dueled on one realm. How do you know there isn't some guy in asia who plays nothing but d2 24/7 and has twice as fast reflexes as you?

[Mehatesmaphack]

[QUOTE=Rauth]I love the pvp forum. ;)

David you lazy bum. Use those quotes!

Not sure how anyone can say anyone is the best on all realms when that person has only dueled on one realm.
QUOTE]

you need to have no brain to say something as stupid as that.

[Mehatesmaphack]

It's always very amusing to see newbies like Mehatesmaphack talk crap thinking either they or west in general are hot stuff. Ooh 70/15 manas are east only..what's the point of mentioning them to west duelers? And mana pots ARE legit I don't care what newbie filled leagues like CH say about it. (omg let's ban teleport on sorceress because I only like melee),



Sorry, but I've seen Koda's sin in pubs and casterpk and I guarantee he could ruin any of you trash talkers 4vs1 including your "best on all realms necro" without trying.

West >>>>> East because you and kodachi are on east. Maybe I'll make a char on east just to show you how my skills >>>> your newb hacks. I'd love to see you drown yourself in tears after i pwn your newb butt 100 times straight even with your 2 million bucks spent on ebay.

[Mehatesmaphack]

It's always very amusing to see newbies like Mehatesmaphack talk crap thinking either they or west in general are hot stuff. Ooh 70/15 manas are east only..what's the point of mentioning them to west duelers? And mana pots ARE legit I don't care what newbie filled leagues like CH say about it. (omg let's ban teleport on sorceress because I only like melee),



Sorry, but I've seen Koda's sin in pubs and casterpk and I guarantee he could ruin any of you trash talkers 4vs1 including your "best on all realms necro" without trying.

It's always very amusing to see newbie ebayers like RainofChaos220 with hacks brag about how stupid they are.
normal blood moor fallen > (you+kodachi) x10
there is no doubt that you guys are only capable of getting owned.

[Phyrexial]

Just to let you know, I have dueled a couple times in some private dueling games on East (got killed horribly) and if I am not mistaken in who I saw, Subversus truly is one of the very best duelers I've ever seen. With any class he plays. The ones I've seen being sorcs, necros, and I think I saw him on a WW sin before as well.

Obviously you don't need to take my word for it, I strongly suggest you guys do what I'm doing and try to duel people before judging them.

And for the last time, there will be no settling this East vs West thing so anyone that feels the need to state something so brash as "this realm > that realm" should really consider what they are saying. Perhaps if we held a tournament on each realm then had the winners play on Open, but that presents the obvious problems with lag/possible cheating.

[Rauth]

Ya. What phyrexial said.

[Kodachi_ysaane]

Kodachi what are u talking about? Nec > Druids in pubs. Only in private skilled druid vs skilled necro will the druid beat the necro badly.

Kodachi you have no credibility anymore. You can kill a 5 k life druid in 3 teeth? Wow what is that like 100 dmg? Your too 1337 for me.

You cant really say anyone is the best dueler. have you dueled eternalspirit before?

Your probably one of those duelers who get killed by fallens before you even attack your opponent.


It's not the teeth that kill, but rather as shooting 3 teeth when an aa druid lands on you he dies... I can't really explain the trick on forums but sub and lax showed it to me, and they convinced the top aa druids on east they use a "damage hack" lol.




West >>>>> East because you and kodachi are on east. Maybe I'll make a char on east just to show you how my skills >>>> your newb hacks. I'd love to see you drown yourself in tears after i pwn your newb butt 100 times straight even with your 2 million bucks spent on ebay.
I can beat any character you have best to 5 minus a barb with my assassin. GM, I won't even use dwarf star if you are a fireball sorc.


It's always very amusing to see newbie ebayers like RainofChaos220 with hacks brag about how stupid they are.
normal blood moor fallen > (you+kodachi) x10
there is no doubt that you guys are only capable of getting owned.

The worst hack I use is maphack, god forbid.

Why don't you calm down and quit crying because I tricked you about reziarfg???

[Mehatesmaphack]

Just to let you know, I have dueled a couple times in some private dueling games on East (got killed horribly) and if I am not mistaken in who I saw, Subversus truly is one of the very best duelers I've ever seen. With any class he plays. The ones I've seen being sorcs, necros, and I think I saw him on a WW sin before as well.

Obviously you don't need to take my word for it, I strongly suggest you guys do what I'm doing and try to duel people before judging them.

And for the last time, there will be no settling this East vs West thing so anyone that feels the need to state something so brash as "this realm > that realm" should really consider what they are saying. Perhaps if we held a tournament on each realm then had the winners play on Open, but that presents the obvious problems with lag/possible cheating.

If he uses hacks such as 70/15s,mh, etc then you shouldn't put his name and the word good in the same sentence. I don't remember saying anything about Subersus, it's your fellow easties that are making unbased judgments.
Being good at more than 1 class is nothing special. When I get cable again perhaps you can duel me on west and i'll show you true mastery over all classes with good gear or not. ( I know it sounds cocky but you'll see when you duel me)

Saying xxx realm > xxx realm is pretty pointless I think i've stated that before. The only reason I said west >>> east is people on east such as rainofchaos and kodachi insane advocate the use of hacks such as aa, 70/15s,etc yet they seem well respected among easties. Also there doesn't seem to be any decent sorcs(even with their little newb 70/15s) on east if even someone like luis thinks zons should **** sorcs even with -100 res.

If you the majority of you easties take pride in cheating at a simple game like d2 then it's a fact that west >>>>> east.

[Mehatesmaphack]

It's not the teeth that kill, but rather as shooting 3 teeth when an aa druid lands on you he dies... I can't really explain the trick on forums but sub and lax showed it to me, and they convinced the top aa druids on east they use a "damage hack" lol.





I can beat any character you have best to 5 minus a barb with my assassin. GM, I won't even use dwarf star if you are a fireball sorc.




The worst hack I use is maphack, god forbid.

Why don't you calm down and quit crying because I tricked you about reziarfg???

That shoot teeth 3 times and kill aa wind druid crap is just as ******ed as your whole Reziaerfg crap. First you make a bunch of ridiculous claims but can't back anything up so you just keep telling us that you don't wanna tell us.
Lol boast all you want only cuz you know i'm on west. I seriously doubt any of my char's would ever lose to a ww sin unless they get completely absorbed. a hack using ww sin from east should be a joke for any decent dueler on west.

When did you trick me about Reziarfg? I was pointing out that was it a hoax pulled by attention seeking mentally-challenged children from the start.

[dkay]

ok rain and koda your obviously ignornat little kiddies. go back to your cubby holes pls. why is it that people like you guys and phrex play on the same realm? rain ive told you this multiple times. just shut up. you reliability for hacks alone proves that your a horrible dueler. koda its funny how you are defending east just because you play in it. sorry but the fact that you play there doesnt mean your godly or l33t. k? thnx. come to west, get pwned, go back to east, cry. rinse repeat. you will NEVER beat mhmh's barb even when hes using his dial up connection. dont think so? stop talking big and come to west. mhm and blobs pumble you guys back and forth all day till they get bored and decide to do something more productive with thier lives.

sub is that good? ok thats fine. unfortunetely his skills wont compensate for the ignorance that people like rain have. its funny because he publicly admits that he hacks too, sad, this is a pvp forum, you wanna hack? go on open.

if sub is really that good then fine, im very happy that hes so talented, but just remember that doesnt make him the "best" he is simply one of the far better duelers, in no way does that mean thw est doesnt have good duelers, you saying that the west is full of newb is once again proving how ignorant you are.

[Cod]

asia 2 owns all.

after all, no way to tell unless you actually duel each other, so stop thinking of witty responses and just go pk.

[dkay]

asia 2 owns all.

after all, no way to tell unless you actually duel each other, so stop thinking of witty responses and just go pk.

hah asia 2.. didnt see that one coming :)

[RainofChaos220]

ok rain and koda your obviously ignornat little kiddies. go back to your cubby holes pls. why is it that people like you guys and phrex play on the same realm? rain ive told you this multiple times. just shut up. you reliability for hacks alone proves that your a horrible dueler. koda its funny how you are defending east just because you play in it. sorry but the fact that you play there doesnt mean your godly or l33t. k? thnx.


Sorry don't put words in my mouth, all I've ever used is d2hackit MH and pickit and I've said several times that I don't support using Farcast/AA, so YOU be quiet.

come to west, get pwned, go back to east, cry. rinse repeat.

pwned..kkt thx...l33t.. I would appreciate if you spoke english, unlike west east isn't korean realm :( And why would I want to start on west? On a newbie realm no less? No thanks. You come to east, get owned, cry and run back to your newbie realm. :(

rain ive told you this multiple times. just shut up

Are you a mod? No. You're just a random person who's opinion I don't care about. Sit.

you will NEVER beat mhmh's barb even when hes using his dial up connection. dont think so? stop talking big and come to west. mhm and blobs pumble you guys back and forth all day till they get bored and decide to do something more productive with thier lives.

Random names, mean nothing to me...so once again pointless..?

Also there doesn't seem to be any decent sorcs(even with their little newb 70/15s) on east

Lol come to east and see our 3k life, 3k mana, max block sorces? They could tank any of your weak chars. Newb 15/70? Sorry sounds like a person that can't afford an item, less crying please. :(

[dkay]

lol.. im just going to do the good ol squeltch. works well in pub duels. it'll work well for you too. ^^
wow now your attacking race? how low will you go? sorry if i wanted to i can get a sorc with 39 15/70s. please sit and stop talking stupid things you cheater :) your just a typical pub dueler. ^^

LOL unfotunetely your opinions that include hacks are meaningless not only to me but to the rest of the forums, please keep your "hack" related opinions to yourself. k? good. im glad people like you dont get any respect from others.

[dys0r]

So much drama on this thread, lol.

I hope a mod locks this thread soon before it worsens into a "I'll come over your house, slap you, then laugh for 10 mins." :lol:

- Ter

[dkay]

he lives too far to do that :) anyways im just not going to discuss with him anymore... what am i saying.. its not even a discussion lol. ill just take the mature step and not respond. :P i hope this thread closes too, its like talking in a public duel game.

[insane_knights]

I agree with mhmh, Never say good about someone who uses hacked duped items. Rain you say we cant afford that stuff? Maybe its because we dont want to. People on West shell out massive runes for legit 3/xx/xx charms to try and make their char better. You can bash CH all you want but the atmosphere still 100 time better to play in than your bm servers. People on west can use bugged items also. A fully buffed up barb could easily destory your 3k 3k max block sorc. barbs using full invent of 3/20/20 or 3/20/5, with wiz gloves plus other duped stuff can easily outmatch your sorc. The fact that the barb can easily reach 90 resist with sorb, while having huge life, dmg, and fast teleporting speed.

Btw Rain you dont think Maphack gives you an advantage in duels?

[Kodachi_ysaane]

If he uses hacks such as 70/15s,mh, etc then you shouldn't put his name and the word good in the same sentence. I don't remember saying anything about Subersus, it's your fellow easties that are making unbased judgments.

Saying xxx realm > xxx realm is pretty pointless I think i've stated that before. The only reason I said west >>> east is people on east such as rainofchaos and kodachi insane advocate the use of hacks such as aa, 70/15s,etc yet they seem well respected among easties. Also there doesn't seem to be any decent sorcs(even with their little newb 70/15s) on east if even someone like luis thinks zons should **** sorcs even with -100 res.

If you the majority of you easties take pride in cheating at a simple game like d2 then it's a fact that west >>>>> east.


LOL are you ignorant or just stupid??? I never have advocated the use of aa, and I never will. Aside form maphack and 15/70's (not considered bm on east) I am one of the most gm people you'll ever see.

I'll have a friend make my sin on open with same life and same items and Like I said, 10-0 any character you have besides a barbarian.
Subversus can do the same, except his nec can take um... any character.

That shoot teeth 3 times and kill aa wind druid crap is just as ******ed as your whole Reziaerfg crap. First you make a bunch of ridiculous claims but can't back anything up so you just keep telling us that you don't wanna tell us.


in 1v1 with an aa druid, shoot a large amount of bone spirits directly in a line. as soon as the aa druid appears ons creen teleport up into the spirits and spam teeth, if he teleports on you with aa while the spirits are behind you he dies almost instantly.
G_G.

BTW, let's duel on open ok??? make a post i'll seriously eat you up and spit you out.

[Kodachi_ysaane]

Actually, I have a better idea.

I will gather from east the top 4 duelers.
You can gather from west your opinion of the top 4 duelers.

Team duel 4v4 on open b.net nightmare difficulty, no hacks.

First to 5 wins.

Let's see if your up to it big boy.

GM rules can be found here at www.d2pk.tk
If you have any objections let me know and we will change it.
AIM Kodachi Ysaane when you are ready.

[Mehatesmaphack]

Sorry don't put words in my mouth, all I've ever used is d2hackit MH and pickit and I've said several times that I don't support using Farcast/AA, so YOU be quiet.



pwned..kkt thx...l33t.. I would appreciate if you spoke english, unlike west east isn't korean realm :( And why would I want to start on west? On a newbie realm no less? No thanks. You come to east, get owned, cry and run back to your newbie realm. :(



Are you a mod? No. You're just a random person who's opinion I don't care about. Sit.



Random names, mean nothing to me...so once again pointless..?



Lol come to east and see our 3k life, 3k mana, max block sorces? They could tank any of your weak chars. Newb 15/70? Sorry sounds like a person that can't afford an item, less crying please. :(

lol that's like saying any west zon would have owned east players 1on 7 in 09 because you easties couldn't afford hexes and whites.

Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber than brain dead you surprised me again.

[Mehatesmaphack]

LOL are you ignorant or just stupid??? I never have advocated the use of aa, and I never will. Aside form maphack and 15/70's (not considered bm on east) I am one of the most gm people you'll ever see.

I'll have a friend make my sin on open with same life and same items and Like I said, 10-0 any character you have besides a barbarian.
Subversus can do the same, except his nec can take um... any character.




G_G.

BTW, let's duel on open ok??? make a post i'll seriously eat you up and spit you out.

lol more boasting please. I'm not gonna waste more time trying to educate your pea-sized brain.

"in 1v1 with an aa druid, shoot a large amount of bone spirits directly in a line. as soon as the aa druid appears ons creen teleport up into the spirits and spam teeth, if he teleports on you with aa while the spirits are behind you he dies almost instantly."

lol you call that using teeth only? You never cease to amaze me with your brainlessness.

and that's the same idea as getting a bunch of spirits to follow someone around then stun them with spear except your trick is for easties who can't aim without aa. anyone who's played necro more than a few times and with the slightest bit of common sense could have come up with that. It amazes me you find a simple trick like that worth bragging about. (east dueling must really suck.)

please feel free to humiliate yourself more with your stupidity.

[Kodachi_ysaane]

Actually, I have a better idea.

I will gather from east the top 4 duelers.
You can gather from west your opinion of the top 4 duelers.

Team duel 4v4 on open b.net nightmare difficulty, no hacks.

First to 5 wins.

Let's see if your up to it big boy.

GM rules can be found here at www.d2pk.tk
If you have any objections let me know and we will change it.
AIM Kodachi Ysaane when you are ready.

Duel us 4v4 or dodge???
BTW our group consists of the most legit duelers on east, subversus doesn't use maphack under any situation, and none of us will use it during the 4v4.

I smell fear.

[Cod]

can editors make 15/70's or do they just make legit charms?


asia 2 owns all

[Kodachi_ysaane]

We will duel without 15/70's if he requests it.
Also use only the items our characters use, no going for perfect legit items.

::EDIT::
Just saw Mehatesmaphack reading this, but no responce.
Like I thought a dodge?

The best of east vs. the best of west what do you say???

You don't even have to be included in your line up, find the best west has to offer.

[luis19]

If he uses hacks such as 70/15s,mh, etc then you shouldn't put his name and the word good in the same sentence. I don't remember saying anything about Subersus, it's your fellow easties that are making unbased judgments.
Being good at more than 1 class is nothing special. When I get cable again perhaps you can duel me on west and i'll show you true mastery over all classes with good gear or not. ( I know it sounds cocky but you'll see when you duel me)

Saying xxx realm > xxx realm is pretty pointless I think i've stated that before. The only reason I said west >>> east is people on east such as rainofchaos and kodachi insane advocate the use of hacks such as aa, 70/15s,etc yet they seem well respected among easties. Also there doesn't seem to be any decent sorcs(even with their little newb 70/15s) on east if even someone like luis thinks zons should **** sorcs even with -100 res.

If you the majority of you easties take pride in cheating at a simple game like d2 then it's a fact that west >>>>> east.Had a bunch of stuff explaining why a bowazon works with no resist but then my browser decided to take a dump or something.

If you can't see how a bowazon can dominate with no resist make one.
Its not that expensive either.
120-45 or 15ias shako
160-60 lite armor
wf
dracs or 20ias 2+passive
catseye or highlords
gores or treks
2 ravens
verdungos
switch: ss/ titans and cta in stash if you want

charms: 32020s and 3520's would be the best but otherwise just stack up on as much life and rw charms as you can. Those are priority, max dmg is also useful and a little ar wont do any wrong.

You can easily full equip a well rounded bowazon with around 5 high runes, which is cheap compared to other builds. Of course to completely dominate you'll have to spend alot more but if you can equip a zon like I said, get aiming/dodging down, you'll see why resist aren't that important.

Also, even though he uses mh, kodachi is pretty gm in duels. MH gives casters a pretty big advantage so although you can say its bm to use it in the first place, it can also be seen as adapting; why let another person have such a big advantage and let them brag about beating you? I personally never use mh in duels since I consider it pretty bm and I keep my mini map off a majority of the time anyways.
The same can be said about 70-15's, they are bugged but very common. If its avaliable, and people who you duel use it, why be left at an disavantage? While powerful, they are nothing compared to bugged items like wizspike gloves on west. 70-15 sorcs are far from invincible. Actually, I can't even tell the difference since a well build sorc will also have alot of life and mana. Ex- a 40 life gc sorc with 9x 20life/17 mana scs will have about the same tanking ability of the same build wtih 9x 70/15.

[Kodachi_ysaane]

Bowzons can be very strong without resists, but are often even stronger when they have resist, such as a 40/15 ias kiras, sanc on switch, soul shenk boots (50 all res) and a few 20/5's.
The rest 3/20/5 runwalks and 3/20/20's and you got an ama that can beat alot of things 1v1 gm, forgetting the fact that they have dodge as well.
1v1 amazons can adapt for anything stand a fairly reasonable chance, but the skill level of the duelers says alot as well.

[dkay]

nvm im just not going to talk anymore. but luis you know very well that 15/70 are just as bad as wiz gloves. funny how you guys think 15/70s are ok just because thier avilaiable, mhm doenst even use mh and yes it is availiable.

[luis19]

um wizspike gloves add fcr and resist rite? yeah um I know what I said.

[Cod]

why not duel on open then with wizspike rings and all other neat bugged glitch items? hell, make some iths?

[luis19]

Wow your sarcasm is cool.

I think this 4v4 gm duel on open can solve the dispute on the level of dueling on each realm, although its really based on opinion of who you all think is the best.

[dkay]

you cannot tell who is the best simply because there are hidden duelers. i have been in games where a person that is not publisized was far better than the publisized duelers. which is why koda, you cannot have 4 "best" duelers represent an entire realm. too easy to hack/cheat/use mh/ etc on open, its easy to do it on closed as well.

[luis19]

True, I dont like to brag but even though I'm unknown on east, I have beaten many top duelers and I usually dominate private dueling games gm. Many of them even end up blaming the entire series of losses to lag and leave the game denying me the win. Probably cause I'm: not a frequent poster on JSP cept for trades, not in a clan, usually duel solo, and I don't know many known duelers on east.
+ the known people usually just team me and since they know how to play and have good gear, its hard to win 2-3 vs 1. This usually does not allow me to leave an impression and many dodge 1on1 with me for some reason.

[dkay]

after a break from d2 (which has alrady comenced) i think i will make 1 dueling char on east just to get my own opinion on it. this way i can get an unbias view about both realms, though like phrex stated i really doubt there will be a big difference since its not like one side of the US is stupid while the other is smarter. talk is cheap so might as well explore the different realms (cept europe and asia.. since i cant understand a word the chat rooms in there are saying :O ) maybe you can hook me up with some mf gear when i get back luis. :)

about publisized duelers, correct once again luis.

[luis19]

You can use my mf sorc's gear if you want, not like I mf anyway. Its just there.

[Rauth]

All kinds of fun going on here. *wonders where xircon went*


I'll duel anybody 1v1 on open as long as I can host ;)

500 ping for you, 20 ping for me!

[Kodachi_ysaane]

I've been on open the lag isnt that bad more like 10 ping for host and 100-200 for all others.

I wan to do the east vs. west 4v4... and you cannot find the best, but prhaps pick who west/east considers the best.
My team will probobly be:

Myself, Subversus, nick, and sean.
GhOsT-KoDa
QQ-Sub
QQ-Sonic
SS-Massacre,

vs the 4 best west has to offer on open b.net.

None of us will cheat, and any of us will s/s gear/stats asap if you please.

I want to hear is Mehatesmaphack accepts, or if he doesn't perhaps someone else with as much west pride as he has will raise their voice.

[Mehatesmaphack]

Duel us 4v4 or dodge???
BTW our group consists of the most legit duelers on east, subversus doesn't use maphack under any situation, and none of us will use it during the 4v4.

I smell fear.

I thought i made it pretty clear that i'm on free dial up right now. I have constant 2k+ ping spikes. In a few weeks i'll have cable again. I'll see if can find enough geeks on west who care enough to duel you.(not many people will bother to duel hackers on open) i doubt i'll find even one. Like phexyrial said on open one side will always have the ping advantage and we have no way of knowing if you edited your charactors stats,items, or how many and what kind of hacks you are using. It's also impossible to find "the best duelers on west" since you have no way of telling who is the best. Also you can simply unplug your modem on purpose to make the others lag.

not to mention you have to risk getting hacked when dueling lamers on open.

Your best chance of getting a 4on4 with west peopel on open is probalby against Ai or some other clans. They advocate hacks like you guys and spend all their saving on ebay. You can problaby go to cc-comp and set up a duel with them.


I know you are gonna start saying how scared I am blah blah blah. If you wanna prove you are any good make a char on west and i'll gladly duel you for sure once I get cable back just like i'm going to duel phexrial. I used to play on east and all my charactor expired ages ago. Maybe if you provide some items for me i'll duel you and anyone on east. This forum is getting too slow for me so i won't be posting for a while. So enjoy bullshizting while you can until I crush you and all your friends.

"I want to hear is Mehatesmaphack accepts, or if he doesn't perhaps someone else with as much west pride as he has will raise their voice."

west pride? roflmao are you kidding me? who the hell takes pride in the d2 realms? maybe you would but you are speical. I said west >>> east because east cheaters like you and rainofchaos seem to think you are hot stuff.

[dkay]

I've been on open the lag isnt that bad more like 10 ping for host and 100-200 for all others.

I wan to do the east vs. west 4v4... and you cannot find the best, but prhaps pick who west/east considers the best.
My team will probobly be:

Myself, Subversus, nick, and sean.
GhOsT-KoDa
QQ-Sub
QQ-Sonic
SS-Massacre,

vs the 4 best west has to offer on open b.net.

None of us will cheat, and any of us will s/s gear/stats asap if you please.

I want to hear is Mehatesmaphack accepts, or if he doesn't perhaps someone else with as much west pride as he has will raise their voice.


really, koda, have you even read what me phrex and luis have been talking about at all? its been stated and its pretty obvious if you sit down and think that a 4on4 east vrs west duel will prove nothing. There is no set, best 4 on west, just as there isnt a set best 4 on east. even saying to choose who you think is the best is pointless, since your out to duel the "best 4" on the west when there isnt any. you can say that its just for fun but i can already tell your going to make a big deal out of it if you win and not sucha big deal outta it if you lose.

also, there is no pride in d2. this isnt some kind of gang war, there are people in the east that play in wset servers and people in asia that play in east servers, b net is just one big connected arena. if you still want to duel jsut for the heck of it why dont you just 1on1 rauth or mhmh when he gets cable. patience is a virtue.

[Cod]

it's misguided anger like this that killed tupac and biggie :(

[Kodachi_ysaane]

No it's just this kid Mehatesmaphack who is ignorant and keeps saying I advocate hacks that is pissing me off.
he says he owns me, duel me on open I won't cheat, I don't cheat on closed either (minus maphack, sorry man light radius is teh uber godleh)

You think I aa and **** MHMH, yet you've never dueled me, and obviously have no idea what I stand for, I doubt you are even reading my posts.

Just because I say how to counter aa does not make me an aa'r myself sorry.
get your ai guys to duel us then???
You GM we will GM, however if you guys BM, the worst we would do back would probobly be NK... that's how deep into "BM" dueling I get.
Sorry I don't aa quit trying to use that as an excuse.

Now get your team up.

[Rauth]

Hah. I think you missed my joke. ANYONE in a game I host besides me will have 500ish ping with even more for teleport(black screen anybody?). Your connection can only go as fast as mine, which is dialup, while my connection will effectively be a single player one(ie, 10-20 ping) If you Really don't mind having 500+ ping then I would be happy to duel anyone 1v1. :)


Why do we need a 4v4? Why not 1v1? Koda vs chris(mhmh) sounds fun(when the nub gets cable again~). In my experience, a group of friends with complimentary chars(looks like you have dueled with these people before?) will do Much better than an assortment of good people. Not to mention the inherent randomness of a 4v4 duel. 1v1 is the way to go. Unless of course, you don't think you can handle chris by yourself(obligatory provoking comment~). :)

I'd say go duel ai for clan-style 4v4 but then, they have never impressed me other than being rich. :(

[Xircon]

Sorry don't put words in my mouth, all I've ever used is d2hackit MH and pickit and I've said several times that I don't support using Farcast/AA, so YOU be quiet.

I think we have said several times. The only hack we support is none.

[Kodachi_ysaane]

sure ill 1v1 anyone on open from any realm with my ww sin, although if you bring a ww barb I will happily get a necromancer to take it's place.

[Mehatesmaphack]

The same can be said about 70-15's, they are bugged but very common. If its avaliable, and people who you duel use it, why be left at an disavantage? While powerful, they are nothing compared to bugged items like wizspike gloves on west. 70-15 sorcs are far from invincible. Actually, I can't even tell the difference since a well build sorc will also have alot of life and mana. Ex- a 40 life gc sorc with 9x 20life/17 mana scs will have about the same tanking ability of the same build wtih 9x 70/15.

The thing is rainofchaos and kodachi think 70/15s are universally gm and flame people who don't use them non stop. They also take pride in cheating calling people jealous poor noobs who can't afford them because not everyone ebays for hacked stuff. If you are gonna cheat at least admit it and don't act like cheating on a simple online game makes you some kind of hero.

You should make a zon on west and i'll tell a few people to duel you and show you why a good sorc/nec will dominate any bow zon without massively hacked gear.(god mode,etc) sorry i had to mention those but east duelers seem to think the more hacks you use the better you are. and I'll duel you myself when i get cable you'll see why. A good light sorc will rarely let a bow zon with bad res live more than 5 seconds. other types of sorcs can kill zons pretty easily too. It amazes me that even with all their hacks east sorcs still can't beat non-hacked bow zons.

I don't use hacks of any kind, i don't scam or teal. i don't use bugged items of any kind, i don't even exploit bugged synergies.( not that i consider it cheating) My friend was going to get me a 430 ed botd for free but i declined the generous offer.

[Xircon]

god mode,etc) sorry i had to mention those but east duelers seem to think the more hacks you use the better you are.


I played West for almost 5 years. I now almost exclusively play East. My experiences from both sides are, there are lots of hacks on both sides. Yes East has more just because more people play East. But percentage wise, it is really about the same on both sides. But I do find a lot more dupes and hacked items on West then East ever had.

[Mehatesmaphack]

I played West for almost 5 years. I now almost exclusively play East. My experiences from both sides are, there are lots of hacks on both sides. Yes East has more just because more people play East. But percentage wise, it is really about the same on both sides. But I do find a lot more dupes and hacked items on West then East ever had.

I'm making generalizations because a lot of "top" east duelers on this forum like to hack and brag about it.

it's probably true that west has/had more hacked items than east. There are a lot of Chinese, German, Korean,etc hackers on west who sell items on ebay. I doubt east is much better though.

[mcm]

Kodachi, I'm happy to open-duel anything you want with my barb once I get cable (and chris, it IS coming... oh yesss.)

[Rauth]

So if they bring barb, and then bring windy what will you do? Just duel with nec? Cause there is no way in hell I'm dueling a hybrid wwsin with my druid ;)


Probably more dupes on west(I swear everything but the el runes are duped), but the only hacked/bugged things I'm aware of are wizgloves. Although, they are a bit worse than 70/15s. Hah. West hacked items>east ones gg. ;)

[mcm]

Well, there are other hacked items on west but they are generally useless in 1.10 now -- take Chaos Noose for instance. Impossible mods, thought to be imported just like Hex charms/whites etc, but it just doesn't stack up against Highlords for damage or angelics for AR.
Doesn't east still have those +zon skill rings?

[insane_knights]

Both players have to duel with same chars or else you cant tell which person has more skill. If you use a ww he uses a barb then you get your necro, then hes gonna get his windy ect. No class is perfect agianst all other classes.

[dkay]

actually insane if they agree to duel with 2 separate classes tehy play best with, then its ok. but if they arent going to agree with a specific match up then they will just keep switching chracter classes to get the upper hand.

[luis19]

mcm east doesn't have those rings.

Some bugged items are the 70/15's and tals.
Also theres a necro and sorc ammy that have good stats at low lvls, forget if they are bugged.
wizgloves> 70/15 and bugged tals easily anyways

[mcm]

Maybe you don't understand -- I'll use my WW barb. He can use whatever he damnwell pleases.

[Kodachi_ysaane]

well, using a ww barb pretty much takes away my trump card of ww sin...
But I am not to shabby on necro.
BTW I don't want to get whatever char trumps the other, I just use necro vs. impossible odds. I'll use ww sin vs. anything else.
Necro, You got it.
Hammerdin, You got it.
Barb, I can't win unless I MB straight for 10 minutes. ><

I'll have my friend save his necro and my ww sin on SP so we can duel.

[Rauth]

Post when/if you guys duel and I'll come ref. :)

The one thing 70/15s beat wizgloves on is ES sorcs. I've heard they can get some disgusting amounts of mana from it. Wizgloves add some, but the amount added isn't modded by %modifiers or battle orders like the charms are. Other than that, wizglovse are much worse than 70/15s in general dueling, giving them a major fc/resist advantage.

[luis19]

A "legit" build orber can get high enough mana that you won't be able to tell if they use 70/15's or not.
I've dueled alot of orbers :)

[Rauth]

I suppose, but consider the sheer amount of mana gained by using 9 of those. 630 from the charms alone, multiply that by any %mana like frosties and add in bo.

Lets assume the sorc has a ~100% mana boost from gear(frosties+arach+sojs+whatever) and another ~100% from battle orders(I think %mana and bo are additive, not multiplicative, but I could be wrong). Thats 1890 bonus mana Just from 9 charms. Now lets say the sorc leaves out 2 skillers in place of these. Now we have a total of 1050 from the charms, with 3150 from %mana gear and bo. Getting ridiculous yet? Now lets go crazy and assume the sorc just went all mana charms for some reason. Thats 2800 from the charms, with 8400 from %mana gear and bo. Those numbers are Just from the charms so with the sorcs starting mana its even more. With some serious mana% gear and a barbs bo, you could be a crazy tank. Until you get poisoned/OW at least :)


Think I did all the math there right~

[mcm]

Barb, I can't win unless I MB straight for 10 minutes.

You can't keep a barb down with MB due to leap.

But whatever, use a necro, hammerdin, windy, it's all fine by me.

[Kodachi_ysaane]

Do you know where to find a single player saver?
Where I could save my online nec to single?

[Kodachi_ysaane]

Do you know where to find a single player saver?
Where I could save my online nec to single?

[Rauth]

I've heard of them, but never seen one. Just get a normal sp editor and make your gear. It does help to have an item package to work with so you don't have to make everything yourself though.

[Lyrs]

So I"m like "Wow, long thread"--and then I'm like "Wow, no one's talking about assasins."

[dkay]

long threads in the pvp forums usually end up getting closed due to o/t and massive flames.. its not uncommon.

[HybrOI]

Do you know where to find a single player saver?
Where I could save my online nec to single?
I wouldn't ask or talk about how to work Editors or whatever if I were you :thumbsup:

[Phyrexial]

I step away from this thread due to work for 1-2 days and look how much I've missed.

First off, I don't believe in the use of any items that cannot be spawned legitly in game. This includes the use of 15/70s. Hacks of any kind including MH, etc. I also don't condone. 15/70s I realize are only truly broken on ES sorcs, but still...

As for the dueling on Open thing, I would like to see some of the generally considered "top duelers" from East and West do some GM dueling. I think it would be alot of fun (and interesting to watch) to have a series of 1v1s, tournament style perhaps round robin. Its not necesarily proving which realm is best, rather its always fun to see top level players go at it. That aside, it seems that mcm and Koda are going to duel it out which I applaud them both for taking up the challenge.

@Koda: I have a single player editor I've been using for testing my LLD characters and I could certainly make a character with whatever stats and gear you supply me. If they don't trust you to be fair when you make your character, perhaps it would be better if I made it anyway. ;) So when you get the chance, just PM me or contact me on AIM with the stats and gear you want. I'll make your WW sin and necro for you.

[Kodachi_ysaane]

Ill list what specifics to use for my ww sin/nec sometimes tomorrow on monday

[Phyrexial]

Ill list what specifics to use for my ww sin/nec sometimes tomorrow on monday
I've got loads of work to take care of until probably late Wed or after Thanksgiving (Thurs) but I'll get it to you as soon as I can.

[mcm]

I'm really sick of these self righteous wannabe law enforcers that only bring comments like "I wouldn't talk about xyz if i were you", and "You better be careful the mods don't like that kind of talk" to a thread.
I'm sorry, you're not a mod, you probably never will be. Get over it and stop chastising people at every whim. In any case, you're wrong, wrong, and wrong. Halciet uses a single player editor to test equipment/stats, and if short term memory serves me correctly, he's a mod.

[luis19]

I feel ya mcm, I always get people trying to tell me what I'm not supposed to say in the zon forum just because I mention dupes.