question about rares.

[[exile]]

how many of these mods are possible on rare weapons? (theoretically, of course.)

(ethereal)
+300% ed
+150% ed---\
fools--------/ i think these two can't be together on a rare, right?
40% ias
repair mod

so in theory if one of those two is generated, the other three can spawn with it right?
any insight appreciated.

[rikstaker]

You cant get 2 mods from the same criteria for e.g ed-you cant get cruel(201-300%) & ferocius(101-200%) on the same weapon.You can however get cruel & grandmasters(251-300ar,151-200%dmg) on the same weapon.Fools(16.5ar per clvl) is an ar prefix,by all means it can spawn with any other prefix except for grinding(0.75ar per clvl).prefixes & sufixes are independent,you are allowed 3 of each on the same weapon,but just one prefix/suffix is applied from the same criteria as I explained.

For a dueling weapon (bvb) you are basically dreaming for:

Cruel,grandmasters,fools weapon of quickness,self repair,evisceration.

For the legendary (bvb)collossus sword that can slap the vile axe lovers into oblivion:

Cruel,mechanics(2sockets),fools collossus sword of quickness, selfrepair, eviseration.(Hits lwbp with just 5% more wias-so two 40/15s & you are set for bvb mayhem)

For the legendary/imaginary existing in books ww weapon:

cruel,grandmasters,mechanics warpike of quickness,selfrepair,evisceration.

that thing deals about:297-1665 dmg(weapon),hits lwbp with two shaels & I'll pay you anything for it.

Rik :strong:

[tonavin]

Just a minor correction on the last reply... The "Grandmaster's" prefix can't spawn on any rares (balancing issue I guess?), but the slightly-less-godly "Master's" prefix can.

[rikstaker]

@tonavin-thanx,how did I miss that.Thats correct.masters only, so its just 450% ed possible on rare without sockets.

Rik :strong:

[jordy666]

masters + fools cant spawn on the same weapon
its either 450 ED or 300 ED + fools

-jordy :king:

[rikstaker]

masters + fools cant spawn on the same weapon
its either 450 ED or 300 ED + fools

-jordy :king:

You sure? :scratch:

Rik :strong:

[jordy666]

You sure?

Rik :strong:
yes :D
fools and masters are in the same affix pool.
well thats what i think
*waits for RTB :uhhuh: *

-jordy :king:

[GenXCub]

Depending on the weapon, it may be more advantageous to get cruel + mechanics + fools so that you can put 40/15ias in there

[Uzziah]

fool's and master's are under the same affix family thus can not spawn together.

cruel is in a different family thus can spawn with fools and masters.

[RTB]

cruel is in a different family thus can spawn with fools and masters.
Grinding is in the same family as Cruel btw.

[Uzziah]

Grinding is in the same family as Cruel btw.
yeah that would mean cruel and grinding could not appear together correct.

[rikstaker]

RTB,I need your help..

Firstly what are you guys referring to as family/pool?

I have known these as a family:



dmg family:

Jagged +10-20% Damage Circlets(1), Weapons(1)
Deadly +21-30% Damage Circlets(5), Weapons(5)
Vicious +31-40% Damage Weapons(8)
Brutal +41-50% Damage Weapons(14)
Massive +51-65% Damage Weapons(20)
Savage +66-80% Damage Weapons(26)
Merciless +81-100% Damage Weapons(32)
Ferocious +101-200% Damage Weapons(41)
Cruel +201-300% Damage Weapons(51)



+ Attack Rating and + %Damage family

Sharp +10-20 to Attack Rating, Damage: +10-20% Weapons(5)
Fine +21-40 to Attack Rating, Damage: +21-30% Weapons(12)
Warrior's +41-60 to Attack Rating, Damage: +31-40% Weapons(19)
Soldier's +61-80 to Attack Rating, Damage: +41-50% Weapons(27)
Knight's +81-100 to Attack Rating, Damage: +51-65% Weapons(38)
Lord's +101-120 to Attack Rating, Damage: +66-80% Weapons(47)
King's +121-150 to Attack Rating, Damage: +81-100% Weapons(56)
Master's +151-250 to Attack Rating, Damage: +101-150% Weapons(56) -rares till here.




+ Attack Rating/Max Damage (Based On Character Level) family

Fool's: + (16.5 Per Character Level) 16.5-1633.5 To Attack Rating / + (0.5 Per Character Level) 0.5-49.5 To Maximum Damage (Based On Character Level) Weapons(50)

Grinding: + (0.75 Per Character Level) 0.75-74.25 To Maximum Damage (Based On Character Level) Weapons(50) .

So why cant fools spawn with masters? or grinding spawn with cruel? Am I missing something,families are different,is it somethin to do with ilvl?But still they are different? or is arreat summit misguiding me?

pre-edit:just checked d2data.,it has fools listed in the dmg+ ar family with masters..!

It shows-
"Fool's: + (0.5 Per Character Level) 0-49 To Maximum Damage (Based On Character Level)/+ (16.5 Per Character Level) 16-1633 To Attack Rating (Based On Character Level)"

I dont see grinding listed in damage family with cruel even here,its maximum dmg per level mod so can you explain that RTB.

I am :cheesy:

Rik :strong:

[[exile]]

well, thank you all kindly. i think that for the most part, you have thoroughly confused me :cheesy: but the discussion about 'families' and 'pools' still amuses me.

so heres what i understodd would be the best possible ethereal rare:
-300%ed
-fools (pvp?) OR 150%ed (pvm?)
-2soc
-40%ias
-transcendence -- evisc doesn't exist on rares, and +20min is better than +20max
-repair

[Mazuli]

I've found a rare with 422% ED and a ton of other stats. It was a throwing weapon too. Too bad it didn't have giant numbers to impress newbies.

[HybrOI]

You cant get 2 mods from the same criteria for e.g ed-you cant get cruel(201-300%) & ferocius(101-200%) on the same weapon.You can however get cruel & grandmasters(251-300ar,151-200%dmg) on the same weapon.Fools(16.5ar per clvl) is an ar prefix,by all means it can spawn with any other prefix except for grinding(0.75ar per clvl).prefixes & sufixes are independent,you are allowed 3 of each on the same weapon,but just one prefix/suffix is applied from the same criteria as I explained.

For a dueling weapon (bvb) you are basically dreaming for:

Cruel,grandmasters,fools weapon of quickness,self repair,evisceration.

For the legendary (bvb)collossus sword that can slap the vile axe lovers into oblivion:

Cruel,mechanics(2sockets),fools collossus sword of quickness, selfrepair, eviseration.(Hits lwbp with just 5% more wias-so two 40/15s & you are set for bvb mayhem)

For the legendary/imaginary existing in books ww weapon:

cruel,grandmasters,mechanics warpike of quickness,selfrepair,evisceration.

that thing deals about:297-1665 dmg(weapon),hits lwbp with two shaels & I'll pay you anything for it.

Rik :strong:
10 jumbo chocolate chip cookies please! Mine does 1666 damage!

[jordy666]

10 jumbo chocolate chip cookies please! Mine does 1666 damage!
i demand a screenie :rant:

-jordy :king: