View Full Version : Warcry barb done, not happy with results
OK, I posted a while ago about my warcry barb plan. I already have a great pvp dueler (ww asn) for private games who has a gear switch vs. every class. I rarely lose with her, but I was sick of pubby dueling because there was no way to have good resists, AR, fcr, DR, and fhr at the same time to fight all of the various classes at once. I decided to make a WC barb, but I planned mine very differently from the guides I read here. I wanted him to be strong all-around for public dueling games, instead of geared specifically to fight casters. This means I wanted to have the following statts.
110 fcr (105 breakpoint)
90 fhr (86 breakpoint)
50 % DR
75% block
Max resist with a lot extra stacked
High def.
This means I will have less vit than a 2 X hoto wc barb, and also less dmg. It alseo means I cannot hit 200 fcr which some wc barbs say is the target fcr bp.
Here's the gear I used - dupes here so stop reading if you're going to flame me.
CoA 12/30 382 def shealsheal - gives nice resists, def, 70 fhr
1353 Enigma Archon
40 res hoto flail
Arach
Grim spurs - duped USeast boots - 30frw 20fhr 19str 45cold 22light 21pois
Stormshield - cham
Amulet - +3 warcries 10%fcr
Ring - 10fcr 15str 15dex 8res all
Ring 10fcr 17str 42life 12res all
Magefists
10 X WC GCs 30-40 life each
9 X 15/70 life/mana bugged scs
19 19 anni
Stats: str for gear, dex for max block rest into vit, 0 energy. I only had to put 3 into str which is pretty nice considering I'm using a CoA.
Skills 20 WC and all 3 synergies, 20 BO, 1 in nat res, iron skin, shout, leap.
End result is around 1700 WC dmg 5k life 18k def.
Now he obviously has top end gear, and I thought that the changes I made to the build for casters wouldn't hurt him too much. All he loses is a little bit of WC dmg, and life, but gains a ton of def, fhr, DR, and 75% block. He basically takes 12.5% dmg from melee, while the 2 X hoto build took 92% (only 8 % DR on enigma and no block). He also has higher def due to archon enigma instead of BP, and a CoA. His resists are still WELL over max.
Unfortunately I can't kill anyone. My warcry only connects a couple times when I get close, and the opponents always get out of stunlock. Even against classes which I'm pretty sure have crappy fhr, like pubby druids and sorcs, they never take more than a couple WCs before they run away. Sometimes they just tank me, spam FBalls, orbs, or spears, and they manage to get a lot off and kill me long before I kill them. I don't know what the problem is, I am considering swapping the CoA for a +5 WC delerium but I don't think a little extra dmg will make the difference (would only add around 200 more dmg)
I've heard a lot of people say 200 fcr is buggy and results in missed casts. 105 fcr seems buggy to me, I miss a lot of teleports and warcries (I do the cast animation but dont actually cast). I think this may be why I can't stunlock anyone, and I guess it's due to lag. The thing is, I rarely have had problems with lag before, and the game seems to be running smoothly, but I just miss a lot of casts. I have considered remaking him with 200 fcr, but I would probably miss even MORE casts then, so it would be useless to rebuild. Anyway, when I posted this idea for a warcry barb a while ago I said I would post the results when he was done, that's why I made this post. Unfortunately it wasn't a good result, and I assume the problem is my computer so there is no way to fix it.
insane_knights
09-11-2004, 22:57
Why chamed ss, you should sur your ss for more mana. You sure you cant kill anyone? Even if they run away just telelock agian and keep spamming. You will eventually kill. I find they are quite effective.
Are you using leap also? It takes some practise to get it right but its quite effective.
Alexsc25
10-11-2004, 02:29
skills>gear
Given a good connection and REASONABLE gear, I agree.
I've not seen many wc barbs in this season, I've seen enough in last and a few of them were actually challenging! I want to ask, do you have enough mana so you are always attacking? Also, I would agree that you do not need the cham in the SS since you are always teleporting for movement.
Things like fireball sorcs will kill you if you get close unless you absorb them. Things like bone necros have huge capabilities to take damage due to bone armor. Some melee have uninteruptible skills like charge and ww, that helps then win a duel. Throughout all my dueling not even 200 fcr barbarians have been able to keep me stuntlocked, the most effective I've seen was a heavy leaping wc barbarian. I have, however seen WC barbs take out many sorcs and other characters with low fhr, but I build all of mine with the correct breakpoints.
It's a niche build, and try other things on him. Everyone's favorite unique ward bow on switch distracts the opponent and causes you to concentrate... How do you duel each class and what strategies make you lose? Also, I would suggest practicing teleport, click not hold!
If I played USEast, you would slaughter me, I'm pretty sure of that :flip:
Well I'm new to WC barbs, so obviously my skills aren't that great, but I've been dueling for a long time and I definately know how to teleport accurately. If I namelock teleport on a sorc, she can usually just stand there casting FBalls while I spam WCs and she kills me long before I kill her. I would have thought that she wouldn't be able to get any FBalls off, especially since most pubby duelers have low fhr, but they always kill me before I kill them.
So does being frozen not affect casting speed? I guess thats something I never knew, I've always gotten cbf on all of my characters. I guess I'll shael the SS, as I definately have enough mana so I don't need to sur it. For those of you who don't play on USeast 70/15s are small charms that give 70 mana and 15 life each. I use 9 of them and have 1600 mana after BO.
I still think I must be losing because of casting animations where I miss the cast.
Can someone verify that being frozen doesn't affect casting frames please?
Herald of Doom
11-11-2004, 18:26
Can someone verify that being frozen doesn't affect casting frames please?
::verifies::
I don't use a raven on my sorcies, because I always tele anyway :)
HoD
insane_knights
12-11-2004, 03:34
Keep a gravel of pain the martel de fe on switch to cast amp dmg on bm chars. They die really quickly with it on
Yeah, well I don't want to resort to that, even in pubbies.
I spent a lot of time this weekend dueling with him. I've gotten better by using leap a lot more like people suggested. What I do is constantly leap, so while I am slowly flying over them I can easily establish a namelock. However here are 2 problems which I think must be lag related.
When I tele on top of them and then switch to warcry to start spamming, about 75% of the time I end up teleing again (right past them) instead of casting warcry.
If I do manage to tele on top of them and start casting warcry, it takes about 4 before one of them connects. When the 4th or 5th one connects, then each one after that starts connecting. I don't know why the firt 3 or 4 ALWAYS miss.
Anyone know what is going on, this isn't how it's supposed to be working right?
Trisk3lion
15-11-2004, 19:20
Yeah, well I don't want to resort to that, even in pubbies.
I spent a lot of time this weekend dueling with him. I've gotten better by using leap a lot more like people suggested. What I do is constantly leap, so while I am slowly flying over them I can easily establish a namelock. However here are 2 problems which I think must be lag related.
When I tele on top of them and then switch to warcry to start spamming, about 75% of the time I end up teleing again (right past them) instead of casting warcry.
If I do manage to tele on top of them and start casting warcry, it takes about 4 before one of them connects. When the 4th or 5th one connects, then each one after that starts connecting. I don't know why the firt 3 or 4 ALWAYS miss.
Anyone know what is going on, this isn't how it's supposed to be working right?
Its absolutly not supposed to be like that! How's your computer and connection?
My tips is to test other fcr breakpoints like 200 and 63 and se if you get the same lag problem.
zeng, when you wc make sure that they are more near the outside area of the wc. ioono but it just connects better when they ARENT right next to you. maybe some bug of some sort?
my wc barb tore up casters. only caster i had trouble with would be a smart necro that would recast bone armor. because of 2 wiz spikes and other sources of resist. ive never had too much trouble against sorcs. just tele lock and cry. aginst melee guys like zealers. best thing i found to do is cast battle cry asap. then walk. you will walk very fast because of all the + skills and enigma. walk cry walk cry walk cry etc. because the zealot is forced to run near you the block rate will lower and you can get more hits in. a good wc barb will have 1700ish damage so even pallys will die pretty quick. zons are somewhat of a problem because they shoot and run and its hardto get them in lock. but you cant be good against all classes :) get a act2 merc and zons will be easy too. a merc with 2k damage and 5k life is nothing to laugh at.
btw you have way better gear than i did and i still did well. just practice.
dk~
this is why my guide exists, its got around 7000 health with max dr, resist, block, and 1500+ mana, and level 40+ warcry depending on your charms and stuff.
go read it if u wana make a all-beating warcry barb
blobs did you tell the mods to post your more recent guide up instead of the older version?
Mehatesmaphack
17-11-2004, 08:36
this is why my guide exists, its got around 7000 health with max dr, resist, block, and 1500+ mana, and level 40+ warcry depending on your charms and stuff.
go read it if u wana make a all-beating warcry barb
unfortunately your "all-beating" warcry barb build couldn't beat mcm's half geared warcry barb build or my 2k ping 9k damage walking blizz sorc or souless's mf hammerdin.
Mehatesmaphack
17-11-2004, 08:54
I suggest that you ebay for some +7 skill scs when they come out. (70/15 are not just duped they are not droppable items in the game and are obviously hacked) so you might as well improve your char by maybe getting an item that grants god mode.
WebDragon
17-11-2004, 10:11
When I tele on top of them and then switch to warcry to start spamming, about 75% of the time I end up teleing again (right past them) instead of casting warcry.
If I do manage to tele on top of them and start casting warcry, it takes about 4 before one of them connects. When the 4th or 5th one connects, then each one after that starts connecting. I don't know why the firt 3 or 4 ALWAYS miss.
Definitely sounds like lag. It helps if you switch skills earlier to give the game time to transmit to the server that you've changed skills. My quick fix for this on my old orb sorcy was to put orb on the left click and tele on the right click. I never had problems that way. I'm not sure whether you can put any of the skills in question on the left click though (leap, leap attack, teleport, warcry). Its worth a shot.
Trisk3lion
17-11-2004, 16:07
I suggest that you ebay for some +7 skill scs when they come out. (70/15 are not just duped they are not droppable items in the game and are obviously hacked) so you might as well improve your char by maybe getting an item that grants god mode.
Man you always sounds SOO positive! :rant:
But one thing is good with it, we always now were we got you!
Here's the gear I used - dupes here so stop reading if you're going to flame me.
I told you to stop reading. However, I'm sure you'll be happy to know that I now only have 5 left since 4 have poofed on me.
Thanks to everyone for the advice, I've been noticing that warcry hits more when you aren't right next to them as well.
Another question - when I get a namelock tele, after the first tele on top of them I lose the namelock, and the second one goes right past them. Is this supposed to happen? It makes it hard since I lag and I usually can't switch to warcry after the first tele (I tele again).
For every other skill in the game, once you have namelock, as long as you hold the mouse button down, you can't lose it unless they move far away. Is tele supposed to work differently.
Mehatesmaphack
17-11-2004, 18:42
I told you to stop reading. However, I'm sure you'll be happy to know that I now only have 5 left since 4 have poofed on me.
Thanks to everyone for the advice, I've been noticing that warcry hits more when you aren't right next to them as well.
Another question - when I get a namelock tele, after the first tele on top of them I lose the namelock, and the second one goes right past them. Is this supposed to happen? It makes it hard since I lag and I usually can't switch to warcry after the first tele (I tele again).
For every other skill in the game, once you have namelock, as long as you hold the mouse button down, you can't lose it unless they move far away. Is tele supposed to work differently.
you only mentioned dupes 70/15s are not just duped they are made with hacks.
Not to mention I was just giving you friendly advice. If you don't mind cheating on a kiddy game might as well go all the way.
Get out of my thread, I don't need noob comments.
mstrnicegui
18-11-2004, 05:05
when I namelock tele, I don't lose it when switching skills on my sorc. I haven't tried with any other class, so I don't know if it has anything to do with tele being an oskill.
Tele always goes out of lock whenever i name lock tele someone, whether it be on a sorc or no...just thought thats how its always been. I no longer have the lag issues i once i had, so i can quickly switch from tele to kill skill w/o much problem.
I can say, with great confidence, that your wcs are missing due to lag issues (unless of course you provide your connection information :) ) Like in earlier posts, wc tends to miss more when you are right next to your targets and hits more often when they are on the edge of it. Kinda weird.
wow zangeif i didnt even know that you were using 15/70s. though i dont reccommend/advocate them i can say that you really shouldnt be having any problems with most classes. with that kind of mana pool and damage and life, your guy should be one of the finest gear wise.
o yes.. and i blame dysync. my wc barb got mass dysynced when dueling running zons tele barbs and necros. but really just pratice and get used to the build, eventually you make up your own strats and find other ways of dueling well besides from the advice most people give you. experience baby.
edit: i dont know if i mentioned this before but dont get 200 fcr. i think 105 is just fine. id swap the coa for a shako as well. arach 20, ammy 10, hoto 40, mage 20, 2 mass mana rings with fcr 20, and youve got 110 breakpoint with moer mana and life than with your coa set up.
Get out of my thread, I don't need noob comments.
Hey mister, I had this stupid idea in my head that this forums moderators donīt like talk and boasting about hacked items that you own, but things change I guess. Anyway, calling another poster a n00b because of his (correct) accusations was uncalled for.
Nah, back to the real world. Good day to you all.... :howdy:
Burnt_toasty
18-11-2004, 11:49
Get out of my thread, I don't need noob comments.
Are you serious? YOur basically breaking forum rules and your upset someone called you on it? Nice one
What does coming into my thread and *****ing about the items I use accomplish?
I actually contribute good advice to this forum. I don't go in other people's posts and ***** about the items they use... especially after they specifically state to stop reading if you're going to do so. If a moderator feels I should be banned for mentioning 70/15s, then go ahead and ban me. You'll be losing a knowledgeable member of the forum who is capable of answering questions more complex than "will this sword hit the last ww breakpoint."
I'll say it again: no noob advice, get out of my thread unless you're contributing something useful. Your opinion on whether or not I should use 70/15s means nothing to me.
squigipapa
18-11-2004, 20:38
Ok, Zan, you're a good guy. You've had some good advice and interesting comments in the assassin forum. But seriously, the comments in this thread are a little uncalled for.
This is not YOUR thread, People are not coming in here and complaining about dupes in YOUR thread. In fact this thread is as much MY thread as it is YOUR thread.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isen't this type of "thread possessiveness" actually forbidden in the actual rules of the forum? They say that this is a privatly owned site and once you post something it belongs to rpgforums.net.
Anyway, I think that this thread has probably gone down the toilet enough and any small shread of advice has already been given ..
It may just actually be time for a thread closure.. Hal?
mstrnicegui
19-11-2004, 02:10
Rules 1 and 8 definitely broken. Rule 5 about the pimping hacks/cheats isn't explicitly broken, but in practice seems to include direct mention to dupes/undroppable items.
Hey mister, I had this stupid idea in my head that this forums moderators donīt like talk and boasting about hacked items that you own, but things change I guess.
It would help if you actually reported the post so I know something is wrong with it. Just because I'm mod doesn't mean I automatically ready every thread that comes through here.
Anyways, thanks to Gooey for finally reporting this, I hadn't looked hard enough at it to see anything out of line.
Closed.
-Hal
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