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ricrestoni
09-11-2004, 05:11
Finally! Tonight Fer killed Hell Baal and achived patdom!

For those who don't know, a Fire Templar is a paladin who uses Fist of the Heavens as a form of attack (the templar part) and Fireball granted from 2 pieces of the Trang Ouls Set partial bonus.

This build is uber-twinked and works greatly. I died twice, and both times were due to my carelessness...ess. That means that it is completely viable in HC (more below)

I posted a lot of his adventures in the dailies, as they were fresh in my memory. Go read them if you want to get deeper.

Fer
level 81 Paladin

20 Fist of the Heavens
13 Holy Bolt (where the remaining points shall go)
1 all other combat skills (8 total)

20 Conviction <- to get 25 for fireball
20 Holy Shock <- best skill for beating normal and half NM
1 Pre reqs (5 total)

1 every non-resist def auras (6 total)
Redemption is a life, time and potion saver!
Cleansing is great!

Equipment:

Ptopaz Shako
Mara's
Ormus Robes (Fireball 11F/14L) - it works! - with empty socket (me poor!)
Trang Ouls belt and gloves
Waterwalk (didn't think of a better option for his boots, so decided to save on dex)
SoJ
Rare ring (10% FCR, Level 5 Firebolt charges, more useless stuff) - this one was gambled and it is a huge finding, because added to the 20% from TO gloves and the 20% from Ormus, I could break the 48% FCR breakpoint (11-frame castings, yay)
1 pally combat charm, resists, life, mana charms.

Fireball Mode: (total level: 26)
Moonfall
4-socketed pally shield with 2 facets and 2 PDiamonds for +7/-9/79% res all
around 1100~1200 damage, not counting conviction.

FotH Mode: (total level: 35)
Hand of Blessed Light
PDiamond HoZ
around 4600 lightning damage, 2200 bolt damage. Conviction would kick in for boosting lightning damage here, too.

Merc, as usual, Gaze/Shaft and Eth Reapers

Early stages in a paragraph:

Zeal + Holy Shock all the way to NM act 3, then FotH + zeal when mana was out. Then Fireball. Got to Hell on level 70. Really easy all the way. Died once from fire enchanted (non-bug, really, just plain careless) on late NM and once when I tried to run Sewers act 2. It was a short run from WP to the stairs... only that time it was cluttered with horrible fiends! I said, 'just run through, easy' and they said 'BLAHAAARGH' and I was dead just like that. As you see, totally avoidable, and HC-feasible.

The final fights:

The Ancients

So I got there, and got prepared, Holy Freeze on (to slow them and catch any FE before they work their 'miracle'), a finger in TP scroll, another in Conviction. So it went, a couple of re-rolls, then first try. Merc pwnd. Life drops quickly. TP. Second try, the same. third, the same. 4th, I couldn't believe, great mods, that was it! Then pressed te wrong button, and yet another reroll. Pwned, pwned, gave up, and went shopping for craft material. Then went to kill Pindle. Then I went to dinner. When I came back, what the heck? a last try before some MFing, or twinking to improve FotH. No FE. No Merc pwnd. FotH was taking away heaps of the leap guy's life. And then he is history. Then the whirlie is gone. Madawc was LI so eat fire, you throwing freak! I MADE IT! And not one purple gone at this!

WSK

Level 1 - Pain!
Level 2 - easy cake - gloams are manageable, thanks to their low life, and being undead!
Level 3 - still easier, no OK.
Level 4 - You gotta be kidding me? Vampires, undead dolls, sirens, no OK, no gloams, no mummies resurrecting, no frenzitaurs! :thumbsup:

Minions

No LI? Really?! BWAHAHA!!! (maybe somebody was LI, but it was either undead or too low-life. That is the problem of playing with Conviction, you never know immunities at once!) Merc died once (or was it twice?), Lister and his gang were surely tough, but a 1by1 tactics got rid of them all.

Baal

Now that is the best part! First, being a noob and a slacker, used to the easy not-have-to-aim-properly-to-hit playstyle, I failed to keep a close eye on the freak, and ended up killing 2 clones, one almost full-life! Then, that crappy mana burn stuff! Merc was taking an awful beating, but those tentacles are heavily leechable, so he was barely making it. My potions were going quickly, though, and between killing clones, and stuff, my belt went empty, so back to town to refill. Then the mana potions were gone quickly, and the life was doing fine, so I put on Meditation, recovering life at slow pace and mana really quick, just enough to make the blows on Baals head without worrying about mana. Ingenious, really! I managed to resist the devil's attacks really fine, so it was a click, keep clicked, drink a red every once in a while, and wait. It was teh safest evah! And a sea of yellow crap from him!

As I usually do, I will now go and slay Nihlatak to earn a name on an item of his. It should have been a Dragonscale, but I couldn't get it in time. So a Fer's Moonfall it will be.

I heavily recommend it, one of the best chars I ever played with. It is different from all I saw, and TONS of fun. And, hmm, maybe a Pindle runner? He can surely spread some havoc among undeads!

Thanks for reading it through, it was quite long!

Cheers!

frosty
09-11-2004, 05:16
Nice build, rather uncommon one too.

Maybe I will do one after my 1135468412368751 D2 ideas. :lol:

Congrats on the Pat!

Silverbolt
09-11-2004, 05:20
Love to see uncommon builds like this do well. Great job, ric! :thumbsup:

--SB

Wolfgang Abenteuer
09-11-2004, 05:21
Yes, quite an interesting build indeed. Congrats on making him a Pat, ric! :clap:

~Wolfgang

NSXdreamer
09-11-2004, 05:23
Congrats! I could never convince myself to make one of those whacky builds. :lol:

SincereX13
09-11-2004, 05:23
Solid and interesting build... nice to see a diversion to the regular cookie cutters. :thumbsup:

ricrestoni
09-11-2004, 06:24
Thanks for all cheers!

Forgot to add, Life was 1200ish, mana 470ish, with 75ish stat points remaining. After the Ancients initial fiasco, dumped all but 20 into Vit, raising life to near 1500. Bummer, I wish i had more mana to cast more fireballs without depleting mana. Those 20, though, are destined to make 75% blocking with Dragonscale.

I am also wondering about PvP viability - FotH is powerful stuff!

micatron
09-11-2004, 06:44
Congrats! Very interesting build. I don't know if I approve of Paladin's using Fireballs, but in a world where a Barbarian can turn into a bear, I guess anything goes.

:thumbsup:

factotum
09-11-2004, 06:46
Congratulations!

Question, though: according to the Arreat Summit, FotH ignores the resistances of demons and undead. Does that also mean it ignores the NEGATIVE resistances bestowed upon them by Conviction?

corax
09-11-2004, 07:01
I said, 'just run through, easy' and they said 'BLAHAAARGH' and I was dead just like that

man i wish i had a sig...need money

way to go ricrestoni :thumbsup:

oh and factotum your thinking of blessed hammer not FoH. go use it on a LI demon and it wont take dmg

factotum
09-11-2004, 08:53
No, I'm thinking of FotH, but thanks for insulting my intelligence anyway. Check it out if you don't believe me--the skill description on the Arreat Summit quite clearly states that this skill ignores the resistances of demons and undead.

Indemaijinj
09-11-2004, 08:56
I've been wondering regarding Brimstone Templars: Would a +3 Fire Mastery Ormus' be better than a +3 Fireball Ormus'?

Toppo
09-11-2004, 09:28
Congrats on the fiery Templar :thumbsup:

Summoned
09-11-2004, 12:40
No, I'm thinking of FotH, but thanks for insulting my intelligence anyway. Check it out if you don't believe me--the skill description on the Arreat Summit quite clearly states that this skill ignores the resistances of demons and undead.
I've asked this question before. The answer is: it's all a lie!

tweety
09-11-2004, 14:09
Congratz on the original Pat! :thumbsup:



I've been wondering regarding Brimstone Templars: Would a +3 Fire Mastery Ormus' be better than a +3 Fireball Ormus'?

+3 FM Ormus does not exist, all the level 30 spells cannot be on the Ormus.

Reborn2k
09-11-2004, 14:51
Nice one! But how did you manage to use foth through the whole game? I think it has a casting delay, if not so tragical, the damage is nice, though. But the holy bolts that come out of it only affect undeads, don't they? So you would only hit one enemy if no enemies were there...

:thumbsup:

LordDamien
09-11-2004, 15:13
Congrats on the Pat :thumbsup:

TenYearsGone
09-11-2004, 15:13
Congrats on the Pat ric. Good going. What's next???

ricrestoni
09-11-2004, 16:26
@factotum: Conviction do work against demons and undead, the difference is from big to unbelievably huge. Don't know about resist thing (Conviction breaks them all), but my guess is that it's not true, because those LI ball-lightning-spitting demons wouldn't take any damage from the heavenly thunders.

@reborn2k: Man, 9k damage once a second is pretty much A LOT! Could twink to 10k, if it wasn't for Fireball. Many monsters would die in one bolt, like those orcish things in act5 that are whipped all the time, the teleporting devils and pretty much all ranged attackers. Those frozen guys that use Arctic Blast would take 2 hits. If monsters mobbed either me or my merc, switch to Fireball and deliver quick 2.3k all around.

I forgot to say, I took Defiance Merc, my final defense was 8.8k. Block with HoZ was 75%,55% in FB mode.

@TenYearsGone: I still have a Meteorb, a Windy and a Fury WW in Nightmare, and a BF sin, a Hammerdin, a Throwbarb and a Hunter Druid in Normal. Maybe I will continue with one of them - probably the sorc, that is already in NM act5. I still lack the sorc and the barb in the 7/7 p(m)atriarchs goal.

To end the brag:

Patriarch Baiacu - Fishymancer
Patriarch Prise - Avenger
Matriarch Tiffany - Talon/Trapper
Patriarch Blitzkrieg - IK Bear
Matriarch Kanat - LF/Strafer
Patriarch Fer - Fire Templar

barren
09-11-2004, 18:24
Wow, good job ricrestoni :thumbsup:

I know this request might sound a little creepy, but how about a pic of your pat? Ya know, just to enshrine such a great character with the rest us.

Reborn2k
09-11-2004, 18:31
Ok, you got me! :D And a pic would really be nice! ^^

ricrestoni
09-11-2004, 19:14
He just killed Nihlatak, and Fer's Moonfall is already in the trophy stash.

Sure, a pic will come as soon as I find a host.

pharaoh
10-11-2004, 02:22
Congratulations!

Question, though: according to the Arreat Summit, FotH ignores the resistances of demons and undead. Does that also mean it ignores the NEGATIVE resistances bestowed upon them by Conviction?
As far as I know, that description is misleading, as only the holy bolts bypass immunities. The bit about ignoring resists of demons is a moot point, then, as even if the bolts do bypass the resists, they still won't hurt demons, as they only hurt undead. You can't use the direct lightning damage on LI monsters without first breaking the immunity (with Conviction or Lower Resist) and expect it to work, but if the target does have negative resists for whatever reason, it'll take more damage from the lightning. As for the bolts, since nothing in the game lowers resistance to 'magic' damage, they will always work at exactly 100% effectiveness on enemy undead (for damage), 100% effectiveness on friendly non-undead (for healing), and will have no effect on anything else (enemy non-undead and friendly undead).

corax
10-11-2004, 02:52
No, I'm thinking of FotH, but thanks for insulting my intelligence anyway. Check it out if you don't believe me--the skill description on the Arreat Summit quite clearly states that this skill ignores the resistances of demons and undead.

my mistake it does say that. but from experience i know that it doesn't damage LI demons and undead so i just assumed you'd muddle up. i had no intention to insult your intelligence. sorry :thumbsup:

sunbearie
10-11-2004, 03:39
Nicely done ricrestoni. Start making hamburgers once you get your dragonscale! Roast beef good! :lol:

Kaysaar
10-11-2004, 03:44
Excellent Work! :clap:

This history buff likes the Templar reference :thumbsup:

Vajar
10-11-2004, 07:27
Very cool build. Time to make one! All credit goes to you for the idea tho, man - I'm usually good at coming up with powerful odd builds, but this one takes the cake. I can't wait to try out my newly found Dragonscale on this build - I was wondering what I was gonna do with it (trading hasn't really been of much luck for me lately).

ricrestoni
10-11-2004, 16:34
Vajar, all the credit goes to a guy (don't remember his name) who created it and made the guide. You can find it doing a search in the pally forum. If the search won't work, I can send the guide if you PM me your e-mail.

Though I made some different things of my own, like leaving Holy Shield at 1 and pumping Holy Bolt, getting Meditation, etc.