Important PvP Conc Barb Question!

[OiMan21]

This is for my PvP Conc Barb:
Should i use Breast Plate Enigma? If i use this i won't have to put any points AT ALL into str, and can put them all into vita instead. The only thing is i would lack in resists and defense. Would this work well?

*Note*
Skills:
20 Shout
20 BO
20 Mastery
20 Conc
Rest distributed between IronSkin and Bash

*I plan on dueling mostly melee since i consider casters to be lame/cheesey/stupid/sissies/cowards/softcore/etc.*

[NBAallstar]

This is for my PvP Conc Barb:
Should i use Breast Plate Enigma? If i use this i won't have to put any points AT ALL into str, and can put them all into vita instead. The only thing is i would lack in resists and defense. Would this work well?

*Note*
Skills:
20 Shout
20 BO
20 Mastery
20 Conc
Rest distributed between IronSkin and Bash

*I plan on dueling mostly melee since i consider casters to be lame/cheesey/stupid/sissies/cowards/softcore/etc.*

No, BP enigma is not a good armor choice for a PvP conc barb IMO. With conc, you're going to wanna wear the highest def armor you can find(I recommend Eth Steel Carapace) to take full advantage of the def bonus from Conc.

PS: *I plan on dueling mostly melee since i consider casters to be lame/cheesey/stupid/sissies/cowards/softcore/etc.*
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GL on getting ownd by zealots.

[OiMan21]

No, BP enigma is not a good armor choice for a PvP conc barb IMO. With conc, you're going to wanna wear the highest def armor you can find(I recommend Eth Steel Carapace) to take full advantage of the def bonus from Conc.

PS:
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GL on getting ownd by zealots.

well yer exchanging def for more life so i figure it would be a balanced trade off.

i've never gotten owned by a legit zealot and i don't plan to ;)

[NBAallstar]

I really don't think its a fair tradeoff. You might as well use normal attack because you are not taking advantage of the def. Also, define "Legit" zealot. Good zealots have a)higher dmg b)hits 4x faster than you can c) more def, I dont see how you can win, especially when wearing a 800 def BP enigma.

[OiMan21]

I really don't think its a fair tradeoff. You might as well use normal attack because you are not taking advantage of the def. Also, define "Legit" zealot. Good zealots have a)higher dmg b)hits 4x faster than you can c) more def, I dont see how you can win, especially when wearing a 800 def BP enigma.

'might as well use a normal attack'? even if i do use enigma, conc still gives great dmg increases and still increases def, even if it isnt up to 2k or 3k. i'd rather use conc.

i've seen many conc barbs kill zealots in around three hits. yea theyre fast, but they cant compete with Raw Power.

[NBAallstar]

yea theyre fast, but they cant compete with Raw Power.

While I'm not disputing the fact that a conc barb can kill a zealot in 3 hits, you're going to have a hard time connecting your 3 hits against a max block, exile user zealot. The zealot is going to have a easy time hitting you when you have a pathetic 7k def. In conclusion, dont wear BP enigma.

[OiMan21]

While I'm not disputing the fact that a conc barb can kill a zealot in 3 hits, you're going to have a hard time connecting your 3 hits against a max block, exile user zealot. The zealot is going to have a easy time hitting you when you have a pathetic 7k def. In conclusion, dont wear BP enigma.

its easier to hit a zealot than you think. how do you kno its 7k def [btw i meant to say 20-30k def b4]? is that w/ shout and iron skin while attacking?

[mstrnicegui]

damn nba, biased against enigma in a bp much? I have 6k def on my semi-untwinked frenzy barb with only 15 in shout and 1 in iron skin with a 600 def armor.

You can easily get 12-15k def with an 800 def enigma. I don't feel like doing the math, but I'd say that's near the low end of def.

Good zealots have a) lower dmg (they can beat 7k max dmg?) b) hit just over 2x faster (4fpa vs 9fpa) c) they do have higher def against bp enigma users and most barbs.

[OiMan21]

You can easily get 12-15k def with an 800 def enigma. I don't feel like doing the math, but I'd say that's near the low end of def.
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is that 12-15k when attacking or standing?

-so you think the bp nigma could work well?

[Halciet]

The main problem here being that conc barbs just arn't excessively good at pvp unless you're just planning to melee.

While a lot of life is really nice, having strong defense for melee is equally important, so you have something for your skills to capitalize on. Thus the reason most conc barbs I've seen pvp have used something along the lines of an ethereal stone, steel carapace, or duress armor.

You might want to consider a compromise and wear something along the lines of an enigma archon; you can stack str using things like annihilus and a BotD berseker axe to get the str for it, and with some great gear/charms you can still manage 5-6k life. That would get you another 400-500 base defense (an estimated 4000-5000 more defense with conc/shout/skin at small loss of life, depending on your annihilus and gloves (dracs and a 20 annihilus would just require 66 base strength, and you could go even less if you wanted to use FalFal weapons on the switch). Similarly, this would let you equip a nicer pvp armor like a Duress archon as well.

Just some things to think over.

-Hal

[OiMan21]

The main problem here being that conc barbs just arn't excessively good at pvp unless you're just planning to melee.

While a lot of life is really nice, having strong defense for melee is equally important, so you have something for your skills to capitalize on. Thus the reason most conc barbs I've seen pvp have used something along the lines of an ethereal stone, steel carapace, or duress armor.

You might want to consider a compromise and wear something along the lines of an enigma archon; you can stack str using things like annihilus and a BotD berseker axe to get the str for it, and with some great gear/charms you can still manage 5-6k life. That would get you another 400-500 base defense (an estimated 4000-5000 more defense with conc/shout/skin at small loss of life, depending on your annihilus and gloves (dracs and a 20 annihilus would just require 66 base strength, and you could go even less if you wanted to use FalFal weapons on the switch). Similarly, this would let you equip a nicer pvp armor like a Duress archon as well.

Just some things to think over.

-Hal

on the contrary i've seen many conc barbs own at pvp. they are what inspired me to make a conc barb, becuase one hit could take out 3/4 of my health.

i guess i could use Enigma Great Hauberk (i like the look) which requires 118 str. lets see..13 from anni, 15 from nosferatus coil, 30 from botd = 58 str. 118-58+9 = 69 str needed. So thats only about 39 (9 more for the botd) points used on str so that could work out well :). The Hauberk could have ~1200 def. Would that be enough? heres my gear for reference:
Helm: Arreats
Armor: Enigma Hauberk (?)
Weapon: eBotD Warspike
Belt: Nosferatu's
Shield: Stormshield
Gloves: Steelrends
Boots: Goreriders
Rings+Ammy: Angelic Combo

[mstrnicegui]

gah, put on dracs for +15 more str and ow!!1!

steelrends are now outdated fashion, the new look is dracs. Metal is out, leather is in.

btw, hal, isn't a botd zerker the same str req as enigma archon, so you couldn't use it to equip the enigma? Woops, you pulled a gooey...

[Halciet]

btw, hal, isn't a botd zerker the same str req as enigma archon, so you couldn't use it to equip the enigma? Woops, you pulled a gooey...

No, the berserker is 101, the archon is 103; you pulled gooey ;)

But as for Oil: why use a hauberk? Archons can get 1200-1300 defense and have a lower str requirement. I'd just go with one of those for the extra 15 vit.

I also second the dracs, unless you're doing some kind of league dueling where Life Tap is BM. Open Wounds + life tap + lower reqs + str bonus > steelrends.

On the topic of your build: don't split your leftover points, send them all to ironskin. Bash only gives 5% per point, which isn't going to give you a worthy boost in damage. The defense is more important.

-Hal

[OiMan21]

No, the berserker is 101, the archon is 103; you pulled gooey ;)

But as for Oil: why use a hauberk? Archons can get 1200-1300 defense and have a lower str requirement. I'd just go with one of those for the extra 15 vit.

I also second the dracs, unless you're doing some kind of league dueling where Life Tap is BM. Open Wounds + life tap + lower reqs + str bonus > steelrends.

On the topic of your build: don't split your leftover points, send them all to ironskin. Bash only gives 5% per point, which isn't going to give you a worthy boost in damage. The defense is more important.

-Hal

Use a Hauberk because it looks gooooood ;). If i can be stylish and powerful i will do both.

I want steelrends for the enhanced damage and the crushing blow..

I've decided I'm going to save all my stat points and try out the bp nigma and see how much def it gives me. after all, i have seen a conc barb own in duels with a 600 def 160ed/+40 str armor. I'll let you kno how it turns out.

*Sorry for the late reply, I fell asleep*

[combatman]

If u think u can kill a good zealot with a conc barb, try to catch me when your barb is compleet, i am on nonlader europe realm *combatman
hope we have some fun
I am really courious about that match up....conc vs zeal

[mstrnicegui]

Here's the setup: max conc, bo, mastery with +5 all skills, perfect botd zerker, inventory full of +3 max charms, 240 str, lvl 90.

60%ed extra from steelrends gives: 1735-6312 dmg 4023 avg
without steelrends dmg is: 1624-5908 3766 avg

difference of 404 max 257 avg
pvp penalty makes it: 67 max 42 avg
50% dr makes it: 34 max 24 avg

formula for open wounds: Clvl=61-99: (45*Clvl-1319)/256
ow dmg is: 533 over 8 seconds after 1/4 pvp
66 dmg/sec
unresistable attack

So would you rather have an extra 34 dmg/hit (over who knows how long between hits) or an extra 25% chance at an amazing dmg mod?

[Halciet]

*points above*

That's what I was going to say. Dracs are much, much better for pvp; the damage from Steelrends is really quite pitiful.

-Hal

[OiMan21]

hmmm..dracs it is then :). i've decided to go with Dusk Enigma. I could save a lot of points into str and have decent defense. Thnx for all your help :thumbsup:

[Dahmer]

dracs do add more dmg but dont forget they also cast life tap & in some cases ppl wont duel u unless u take them off :)

dont forget that :p

but if its just for pubbies i'd go for dracs

gl with that conc barb, wont be easy :p

[OiMan21]

gl with that conc barb, wont be easy :p

no build is easy. each is unique in its own way and presents different options to toy around with......unless yer a caster ;)

[combatman]

Here's the setup: max conc, bo, mastery with +5 all skills, perfect botd zerker, inventory full of +3 max charms, 240 str, lvl 90.

60%ed extra from steelrends gives: 1735-6312 dmg 4023 avg
without steelrends dmg is: 1624-5908 3766 avg

difference of 404 max 257 avg
pvp penalty makes it: 67 max 42 avg
50% dr makes it: 34 max 24 avg

formula for open wounds: Clvl=61-99: (45*Clvl-1319)/256
ow dmg is: 533 over 8 seconds after 1/4 pvp
66 dmg/sec
unresistable attack

So would you rather have an extra 34 dmg/hit (over who knows how long between hits) or an extra 25% chance at an amazing dmg mod?

this is all true but if u want to kill your enemy in 1 or 2 whws the best choise is steels, i find them better dueling necros ,sorceres,........all those nasty casters that can kill u also very fast,, for bvb i agree on draculs

[OiMan21]

If u think u can kill a good zealot with a conc barb, try to catch me when your barb is compleet, i am on nonlader europe realm *combatman
hope we have some fun
I am really courious about that match up....conc vs zeal

sorry man im on useast :-\

if youre curious to see a conc vs zeal matchup join a melee pub duel game ;)