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HelzCaretaker
08-11-2004, 17:15
I'm quite intent on killing chickeners especially those that deny it. So basically what I'm wondering is whats best way to kill lvl 37 chicken yari barb. Basically what I'm asking is what is the limit that most will duel, and whether I should go with noob dueler or serious dueler.
Heres the breakdown, yari is fast with crushing blow, not a whole lot of dmg. Eth steel = whole lot of damage but range isn't that great and no crushing blow. Going vs ww with zerk is bad idea. So basically heres a few ideas that I want to run by and get your opinions on:
Noob duelers: lvl 45-50 holyshock zealot, lvl 45-50 fury druid, pimped out merc on a skele mancers + tele. WW barb with a massive 2 handed wpn.
Serious duelers: Titan eth steel ww barb, lvl 38-45 fury druid with either buriza or eth steel.
so my question is what builds are most likely to get duels and what should have the most killing power. Right now I'm leaning towards holyshocker since melee paladins will seems pathetic vs ww.
you need something with a fast attack that can deal a devastating punch. perhaps a fully decked out tigerstrike sin? 1440% ED, BoS for fast attack speed, use a devastating claw, max out claw mastery as far as possible and pray you get a critical hit and do ohhh i dunno 2K PvP dam.
I'm quite intent on killing chickeners especially those that deny it. So basically what I'm wondering is whats best way to kill lvl 37 chicken yari barb. Basically what I'm asking is what is the limit that most will duel, and whether I should go with noob dueler or serious dueler.
Heres the breakdown, yari is fast with crushing blow, not a whole lot of dmg. Eth steel = whole lot of damage but range isn't that great and no crushing blow. Going vs ww with zerk is bad idea. So basically heres a few ideas that I want to run by and get your opinions on:
Noob duelers: lvl 45-50 holyshock zealot, lvl 45-50 fury druid, pimped out merc on a skele mancers + tele. WW barb with a massive 2 handed wpn.
Serious duelers: Titan eth steel ww barb, lvl 38-45 fury druid with either buriza or eth steel.
so my question is what builds are most likely to get duels and what should have the most killing power. Right now I'm leaning towards holyshocker since melee paladins will seems pathetic vs ww.
I think your best bet would be your titan ww with eth steel, its always hard to land melee hits on a ww'er and if you need to kill a few and fast hits, it leaves a limited number of builds.
I think your best bet would be your titan ww with eth steel, its always hard to land melee hits on a ww'er and if you need to kill a few and fast hits, it leaves a limited number of builds.
Phantom_Man
08-11-2004, 17:44
Noob duelers: lvl 45-50 holyshock zealot, lvl 45-50 fury druid, pimped out merc on a skele mancers + tele. WW barb with a massive 2 handed wpn.
Serious duelers: Titan eth steel ww barb, lvl 38-45 fury druid with either buriza or eth steel.
No shield vs. a Yari barb...Good luck.
A 47 Shocker might be able to do it, but you'll probably want BO first (bad manner yes, but far safer.) Cs possibly also. Just remember to always walk. Most Hone Barbs are pretty cocky, so you could probably use something in the low 50s.
Or, you could combat it with an Eth ShaelShaelShael Hone and just hope you're better.
I guess it really depends on his life and chicken %. Personally, I'd make a FO or FB Sorc, but that's doubtful that you'd kill them.
HelzCaretaker
08-11-2004, 18:32
yari barbs dmg sucks basically, they probably max out at 1.8k ww, its the high crushing blow that poses a problem but for lower life chars it becomes much less of an advantage. I don't play on being a 1 hitter, esp since ts sins require a lot of gear to get dmg that high. The yari barbs I've come across have roughly 1/3 chicken so I'm looking for a good 2-3 hitter. Problem with sorc's is most will outright refuse a fight with a sorc even if they look crappy, esp since the best spells are blizzard which can easily be avoided, most likely if I was blizz they'd see it and flux or go to town immediately and fireball, if I go noob theres not much I can do to get dmg as high as its needed. As for serious blizz/fireball duelers around 37 they would probably have no qualms about dueling bit I doubt I could get their chicken ears. Another problem thats posed by doing this is if the build works, how many chickeners can I get and how soon will the word be out? Most of the lvl 37ish duelers are good friends and I would probably be discovered quite easily. As for using bo I don't plan on needing it, melee with good % block and decent life is enough to take on a yari barb, steel barbs lack the range and speed to be effective vs melee. Also good potting goes a long way ;).
What I figure are best at killing chickeners are the noob shocker, I calculated 4kish shock dmg at lvl 50, or a lvl 39ish eth steel fury druid. Both can hit very hard and have nice survivability, both can use crap charms and still get decent life, my decent lvl 39 fury druid in season 1 had around 3.2k life and dmg, considering an estimated 2.5k life with crushing blow + critical on a 3k fury 2-3 hit ko's are possible.
This guy we're trying to kill was so adament about his legit-ness...and he uses chicken just like the others. I hate chicken users; and I'm just saying...some forum members here use it! :grrr:
I would say a caster. I have dueled using an eth yari barb before, and yeah, i will pretty much duel anything under 50 :)
I say go for a caster because:
They cant kill you if they cant hit you
You can do massive damage
their resists suck unless they make sacrifices elsewhere. In other words, unless they lose some serious life or damage, their resists wont even be maxed in normal.
Maybe bump it up to 43, or 44 or something... some "non dangerous" level where you can still use some nice stuff, namely skill charms.
I'd say blizzard sorceress, those are nasty with charms and all, if you can afford the right stuff, you WILL kill him if he duels you.
-Matt
hmm how about that assasin that we talked about before?
Level 42 Dragon tail/Tiger strike assasin.
Some stuff like 2x Bartucs, Shaftstop, 15% string, Ik boots+gloves, angelics jewlery, Peasent crown, Ten +1 martial arts grand charms.
What kind of damage could you expect with Level 37 Tiger strike and Dragon tail?
TunaMofo
09-11-2004, 07:57
hmm how about that assasin that we talked about before?
Level 42 Dragon tail/Tiger strike assasin.
Some stuff like 2x Bartucs, Shaftstop, 15% string, Ik boots+gloves, angelics jewlery, Peasent crown, Ten +1 martial arts grand charms.
What kind of damage could you expect with Level 37 Tiger strike and Dragon tail?
I'd suggest going to lvl 45 for wyrmhide boots... more damage than war boots, and only 50 str req.
Wyrmhide Boots Kick Damage: 65-100 (82.5 avg)
You could practically go base str/dex with tiering in effect, but I'll assume... 49 base str/dex, giving 89 str/dex after both eth 'tucs equipped
So, 89 Str/Dex, lvl 37 TS (+2460% ed, third charge), 37 Dtail (+410% ed)
Skipping all the (long) calculations I did, you end up with a max damage of: 3677 physical before pvp penalty.
612 pvp, resulting in an additional 2509 fire damage.... 3121 total pvp. Pretty decent, although since the fire damage is dependant on the physical damage dealt, pdr% will reduce both the physical and the fire portions.
Taking strength to 150, with everything else static gives 690 max pvp physical, 2829 fire, 3519 combined. A total increase of 398 pvp.
Strength is taken into account twice in the damage calculation, and thus gives a greater benefit compared to dex, so I'd suggest tiering to keep dex as low as possible, allowing you to either pump vit for life, or strength for damage.
I think you should make a lvl 9 double swing barb, because if he denies he uses chicken, which of course he does (we know the deal dont we). Then he's not gonna let you get anywhere near a 1-3 hit KO, especially if a barb.
Anyways don't bother doing the fury, i struggle to see fury fluxing a 37 chicken...even with your uber druid building skills :) Pallys barbs druids blah blah blah you need 1-2 hit potential, with the possibility for a minimum dmg. Face it, you need to knock him to just above his chicken limit, then you need to 1 hit him from there....Go with the lamer necro...make him lvl 58 who cares....load up your merc and cheap shot this barb. Takes a lamer to kill a lamer don't we always say.
FAC 4 life bro, keep fightin the good fight....lord knows I can't do it anymore ;)
lvl 39 eth headstriker with guilamue's face get about 5-6k charge you got max block he doesn't 1-2 charge he drops
lvl 39 eth headstriker with guilamue's face get about 5-6k charge you got max block he doesn't 1-2 charge he drops
elegant, simple, skilless and 100% effective.
xxsteelxx
09-11-2004, 10:03
you need something with a fast attack that can deal a devastating punch. perhaps a fully decked out tigerstrike sin? 1440% ED, BoS for fast attack speed, use a devastating claw, max out claw mastery as far as possible and pray you get a critical hit and do ohhh i dunno 2K PvP dam.
i was gonna make a lvl 39 tigerstrike azn ...but im not gonna use a claw...why use a claw when u can use a eth hs + guillems face and get some nice ds
my lvl 12 useing amp claw and clegs on switch did 1k pvp in a perfect hit :)
so im sure 2k is even a bit low for lvl 39ish.
true, but its just a guess. of course, with an eth honor lance on switch damage will be erm, higher...
try an eth coldsteel eye cutlass though. high % DS, high dam, insane speed.
I dont see anything without a shield lasting too long against a good eth yari barb...
As for the headstriker paladin, it might be your best bet, but depending on his life, you wont 1 hit him, if he breaks 2k with a decent margin, it will be just about impossible to 1hit him, unless you have some REALLY nice gear, eth headstriker or not...
Plus, he has probably heard how nasty eth headstrikers are, or knows from experience, and will not duel it anyways.
Then again, if he doesnt have 2k life, and you can get him to duel you... that should do it.
-Matt
Cleglaw_Himself
09-11-2004, 15:27
I have fought many an eth Yari barb in my time.
My 34 cse fury druid got owned by all yaribarbs.
An eth headstriker charger would be best bet at similar lvl as Senji suggests.
Some chicken users seem to enjoy fighting higher lvls believing in the safety of their chicken, so I didn't mind taking their ears with -
Lvl 48 ww baba.
Todesflamme zweihander for pre-battle enchant
2 Echoing weapons on switch
Real weapon - eth 'crescent moon' legend sword
Amulet - swap between Saracen's, tele ammy, and bo ammy depending on situation.
Rings - 1 ravenfrost, dual stat ring or dwarf star.
Boots - Gorerider
Armour - I used Griswold's with 3xed jewels, but Jeweler's of Whale would have been preferred if I had it.
Belt - IK
Gloves - IK
Shield - Prismatic of Deflecting (2 socket larzuk) with 2xed jewels. Obviously, ATOD would be a lot better.
Merc had scythe of amp damage and random other stuff.
75% block, 2K+ listed max ww dmg. Reaches last bp.
I wore semi-decent gear for chickenhackers to browse and salivate over then used to go to Act 4 to change then go to cold plains wp.
Used to eat up chickening eth upped steeldriver and eth upped snapchargers in 1 ww.
The Yari barb I fought with this build lasted 1 ww also. We both went to cold plains to bo, lol, and my merc got the amp dmg hit then I whirled him.
when killing chickens you need 1-2 hit kills....in which case that means massive dammage (limiting your life). Making a headstriker pally would be fine for a duel but you're not dueling....fighting chickens is a dirty street fight....grab a two hander with as much dmg as you can find, and try to put him down b4 he puts you down. OR make a lamer necro like suggested before. The simple fact is it's lose lose. You make him flux and he comes back crying "legit alt-f4" or he kills you...
5-6k for lvl 39 wont cut it IMO. A lvl 29 sleeper can cap 5-6k, granted 39 has deadly strike but i don't see that making the difference against a 34+ barb (if he has the slightest idea of making a pvp char).
I dont know if i'm babbling or if what i'm saying makes sense to everyone....it's late....but i've spent so much of my time making chars to kill mhers, chicken users, ith users and all around lamers....and for everyone you kill 3 more appear....give it up Kime baby :)
Cleglaw_Himself
10-11-2004, 14:02
Not technically true.
You need some hits to get them to just above chicken, then a monster hit to finish them. A lot of chickeners don't seem to use juvs surprisingly. They seem to rely on chicken to be their life. In fact, they used to abuse me for potting - Ahahahah, you use pots - N00b! Can you believe it.
Most duelers I have fought who use chicken set it quite low enough to make it just possible to kill them, otherwise they're exiting every duel (which again, a lot do).
The monster hit usually has to be an all-in, ds included max hit, which is possible with chargers, ww barbs, any big hitter really.
apparently most people use it won't admit but instead they give you the " i press 5 you newb"
how many of those chicken duelers you see with a full setup of 15 life scs for a yari barb? and they can't use shaftstop only death awaits them sooner or later when face with a eth hs charger
you could go with a 2 handed build with a load of more damage but also alot more risky
i think a max out dex buriza druid would do good just stay at 41 to get fights
HelzCaretaker
10-11-2004, 18:10
well the main target for the chickener is not 1/3 to 1/4 chicken life like I thought b4 my necro was just hitting him decently to chicken him. Anyways I dueld that lvl 37 yari barb with my 34 druid and he has 50% chicken. So basically it's going to be quite hard to kill a chickener with most builds. Like most poeple say a lvl 39 eth striker would be a nice chicken killer since this guy lacks dueling skills its a possibility. However I think I'm going with my bud azazaz's idea and gonna use a merc tele nec. I wouldn't go lvl 58 since thats just too high imo. But anyways this guy can deny using chicken all he wants I've witnessed him half life chicken at least 30 times now. I'm also leaning towards making a lvl 50ish holyshocker for him and other chickens, since gear won't be costly for either its a possibility. My only question would be waste an um rune for crescent moon which would negate any light resist they might have, or use my +4 holyshocke scepter. I'm thinking they wouldn't have enough lr to worry about.
About fighting chickeners and timing their chicken, I've done this b4 almost all have a back-up plan with quick exit if they're smart enough to realize that you're doing this, like I did with my lvl 26 dtailer on za-tell his chicken was half life and I'd get him just about that with a full strike waiting, he'd quick exit b4 I could land it.
Za-Tell's 24 bonesnap paladins got beaten by my level 18 melee necro. Need I say more? He sucks at dueling, he just happens to have chickenhack and a bonesnap.
forgot to ask....is this on ladder or non?
I have a term paper to write today, but after that i'm in the clear for 2-3 weeks....i might swing by this weekend if I don't go home. Build a 37-50 sleeper or something. I'll check in on my FaC acct....which one are you doin all this under?
also, whats lvl req on a light facet? or any for that matter? I can't remember for the life of me and it's really not that important that I look it up....just curious :)
jbshifter
10-11-2004, 20:53
If you like the 2 hand approach and are willing to risk it you can try a 27~34 eth honor lance charger. :thumbsup:
HelzCaretaker
10-11-2004, 20:55
Its on ladder, don't know what acct I will make it on yet. Anyways you can find me on helzcaretaker most likely since thats my pvm acct to try and find charms n jewels on for my duelers. za-tell is hard to kill since his chicken is fairly high and he has autoaim hack most likely as well. All facets are lvl 49 req but I wouldn't use 1 on a sleeper waste of a facet.
Yeah, I do believe he has autoaim, I've seen him tele with a telenecro way off screen to town directly onto me.
HelzCaretaker
11-11-2004, 20:04
most lvl 37 duelers think they're so godly with their chicken, basically I've decided that the only way to kill them is with 1 good hit since popup's chicken is higher then I 1st thought. He likes talking smack about how good his yari barb is but chickens vs a lvl 34 druid sad isn't it? A lvl 39 eth striker charger would stand very little chance to kill a chickener such as that since most likely 1 hit will do more then half life or he'd just use his back-up quick exit to escape b4 his chicken kicked in.
I'd say 99% of chcikeners have back-up quick exit key bound which is part of a hack therefore any1 that uses that is almost as bad as a chickener. I like them dueling and leaving saying oops I accidentally hit 5 instead of 4.
kenshinlod
11-11-2004, 23:59
KILL: Chop off its head with a cleaver, allowing the chicken to run around your apartment. Quickly dip the limp chicken in boiling water to remove feathers. Make a slit from between its breasts to the bottom of the bird. Remove its entrails. Dismember.
COOK: Fill a pan with mashed potatoes and butter. Layer in cream, celery, dried cherries, and ribbons of chicken skin. Set chicken breasts on top of chicken skin, cover, and bake.
EAT: Serve with asparagus. Delicious!
:innocent:
HelzCaretaker
12-11-2004, 05:25
ewwww asparagus
39 charger needs pretty good gear to be very effective but its definatly the best for yari barbs. with an eth shaft you can also prolly get around 8k defence which would rly help.
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