Orb/bliz+ fcr=waste of time

[godisalone]

I read somewhere (i think on this site) that there is no matter what always a 1 second delay between orbs and a (dont know how much) delay between each bliz. Hence the only real reason one would need fcr is for tele, which, after about 80% or so, is something that i know from personal experience you do not have to worry about. Still i see varioud orbers with up'dmagis and fcr rings, hoto over fathom for the 20% bonus. Why? coh=obvious and strong advantages, sojs= damage and ultimately life/dex becasue your mana is all set, and fathom...well..y'know...I ask these people why they waste valuable opportunities and they usually don't have a solid response. Anyone got one?

[Hardcore_Virus]

my answer would be iceblast,the most delightfull synergy in the game :drool
no melee char will be able to TOUCH you if you use blizz + iceblast !

anyway : i use a ormus for the fcr,15% cold dmg and +3 blizz , so i have both dmg & fcr from armor :thumbsup:
But i use fathom to , just because the damage is so huge,nothing beats fathom for me on my blizz sorc :winner:

[Grantage]

A good Fathom is really expensive and hard to get..... its that simple. I tried trading in the TCs and forums for weeks and never got a decent one.... so i gave up and used a hoto.

[Rauth]

If you want any sort of chance against a windy or good bvc barb you are going to need way more fc than they have. Without a 2-3 frames of cast better than them you will be pretty screwed. Speed matters in SvS as well.

Speed>damage in this game generally, since most attacks are 1-2 hit kills without lvl 50 skills anyway. Another 2-4k blizz dmg won't make much diff, while 2 frames of cast can.

[godisalone]

If you want any sort of chance against a windy or good bvc barb you are going to need way more fc than they have. Without a 2-3 frames of cast better than them you will be pretty screwed. Speed matters in SvS as well.

Speed>damage in this game generally, since most attacks are 1-2 hit kills without lvl 50 skills anyway. Another 2-4k blizz dmg won't make much diff, while 2 frames of cast can.

But like i said: i know from my own experience that 80 is more than enough fcr to handle such chars (lidless, fltech ammy, arach, fathom [and magefists/trang gloves if youprefer sanc/lidless]). When i duel windies, i make sure to lead the duel. I tele around and cast orbs/bliz, they follow me and run into it. Without dmg and res (coh, fathom, sojs, ect.) windies and barbs would easily tank me

[luuuucifer]

It's really helpful to get the next fcr bp if u duel against good chars, esp cheap windies.

[OMGLOLKKTHX]

It's really helpful to get the next fcr bp if u duel against good chars, esp cheap windies.
Hahaha RAUTH!

I can't decide if I should drop those runes 1 by 1 in games and watch nubs fly for them like sharks and chum. Or if I should just give them to friends.

[Rauth]

Psh. I'm the only friend you got so give them to me! I'll buy like...one charm with all those. ;)

@godisalone Not sure why any windy would follow you into attacks, but if it works for ya, good for you. Other sorcs need the fc boost because they duel harder windys :)

[OMGLOLKKTHX]

Well rauth I could still make noobs fight over them.

[Rauth]

I can do both! I'll just get two windows up ;)

[luis19]

If you don't get the 105% breakpoint, it makes it alot easier for any other caster and tele barbs to beat you. Even if you use delayed skills like bliz/orb, if you can't tele fast enough you will lose.

[ReVolution]

yeah, you definitely need fcr for tele purposes. 105 cast isn't all that hard to get, so there's really no reason not to go for it.

[mcm]

<--- Noob wants free runes, give to me now.

[OMGLOLKKTHX]

I could give to charsi! Or trade back to ladder and test out some new runewords that no one wants to test because they don't want to lose their runes.

[godisalone]

ARG. i rarely lose with 80 fcr, except for the occasion of a windy. Fcr is not going to help me with cyc armor, though. Teleing away and waiting is all i can do. It's nice to have dmg for that at least

[luis19]

Seems like your not getting it.
Put it this way, I can throw on enough fcr on my barb to out tele you and still have high life/damage. Not that it is necessary, but it would probably be alot easier since your sorc is slower in teleing.

IMO, one of the sorcs biggest advantages is that they can reach the fastest breakpoint (barbs can too, but..) and much of their gear is fcr, while barbs usually aren't. Without that, any other caster (including other sorcs), will have a much easier time beating you.

[Phyrexial]

godisalone, what realm are you on? I'd like to duel your 80% fcr sorc with my necro.

[godisalone]

godisalone, what realm are you on? I'd like to duel your 80% fcr sorc with my necro.

USeast nl, and yourself?

[godisalone]

Seems like your not getting it.
Put it this way, I can throw on enough fcr on my barb to out tele you and still have high life/damage. Not that it is necessary, but it would probably be alot easier since your sorc is slower in teleing.

IMO, one of the sorcs biggest advantages is that they can reach the fastest breakpoint (barbs can too, but..) and much of their gear is fcr, while barbs usually aren't. Without that, any other caster (including other sorcs), will have a much easier time beating you.

Not to focus on specifics but i'm pretty sure necros can technically reach the the highest as far as fcr goes

[godisalone]

Anyways. This is a rhetorical argument. On your side: fcr is key, and if the opposing char has more, it'll be tough. On my side: i have dueled barbs who slapped on a wizzy and a fcr barb ammy, and still won by"leading" the duel. I'm certainly not saying, as i think the necro has assumed and taken as a challenge, that i can beat anybody.

[godisalone]

By the way, if you want to duel, /w *moralwarfare. I'll be on tonight [sunday]

[Phyrexial]

By the way, if you want to duel, /w *moralwarfare. I'll be on tonight [sunday]
I'm also on USeast NL. I don't play much, but I'll add you to the f list and see if I run into you. *Dm_Phyre

By the way, at 125% fcr necros cast at 9 frames which is their limit. Sorcs on the other hand meet the 9 frame cast rate at 63% fcr, then the 8 frame cast rate at 105% fcr which only the barb and sorc can reach. Sorcs/barbs can also get 7 frame cast rate at 200% fcr but that's not very easily attainable with major sacrifices if possible at all.

[luis19]

I'm up for a good duel anytime as well.

*dirtydozen131
also USeast NL

[insane_knights]

If your able to kill good barbs who use wizzys and fcr then they probably arn't the greatest of barbs. They probably try and telelock or telelock and do a really long ww.

As revo said its not that hard to reach the 105 breakpoint. If you can find yourself some nice fcr those are like 2 billion times better than sojs anyways. Your gonna have enough mana with cta anyways. Sojs dont make that much of a diff. +1 skill arn't really anything special either. Good fcr rings have 10 fcr, resist, life, mana. Even legit ones can pretty much beat the pants off of an soj.

I use a coh and death ph on my sorc. I however dont use nightwings because i really dont see the point in it. A sorc circlet gives u +2 skills, 20 fcr, 20 fhr (shaeled) can give u life, resist, mana, str.

Its not gonna be a very good battle for your sorc when a skilled barb weilds 2 umed wizzy going after you. Being able to tele faster than you, stacked resist, more life, ow, lots more mana also (from wiz). Chances of winning are small.

[dkay]

i thought barbs wer ekidding when they would state using duel wizspikes with um.s unfortunetely i was wrong and yes. your sorc will die hard to a good barb. good necro too if you dont hit the next bp. it really matters. tell me how the due ls go

[Phyrexial]

We only got 3 duels in, I would have liked to do more but he had some business to attend to. Perhaps we'll get some more in later. You too Luis. ;)

Godisalone won the first 2 rounds, I think mainly because I was trying to teeth him to death and I think it was doing some pretty pathetic damage due to his ES. I figured stun combined with his low fcr would result in an easy teeth win, but I think his fhr was much higher than expected because of the classic dupes that I forgot to take into account.

I won the last round before he left by switching to Spear, Spirit, and Teeth. I stood still a bit because I was going to wait for him to Orb then try to get him before the timer got back up, but he Blizzed me 5 seconds into the match which I didn't expect. I fought the rest of the duel with 70 hp, it was fun. :lol:

P.S: Just realized I've got 71 stacked cold res, I should probably fix that. Even with 1 raven that hurt. Alot.

[godisalone]

We only got 3 duels in, I would have liked to do more but he had some business to attend to. Perhaps we'll get some more in later. You too Luis. ;)

Godisalone won the first 2 rounds, I think mainly because I was trying to teeth him to death and I think it was doing some pretty pathetic damage due to his ES. I figured stun combined with his low fcr would result in an easy teeth win, but I think his fhr was much higher than expected because of the classic dupes that I forgot to take into account.

I won the last round before he left by switching to Spear, Spirit, and Teeth. I stood still a bit because I was going to wait for him to Orb then try to get him before the timer got back up, but he Blizzed me 5 seconds into the match which I didn't expect. I fought the rest of the duel with 70 hp, it was fun. :lol:

P.S: Just realized I've got 71 stacked cold res, I should probably fix that. Even with 1 raven that hurt. Alot.

Just one thing: i did'nt use ES and i'm quite sure you knew that. I don't like to havew to use mana pots all day. The teeth just flat out didn't hurt.

[godisalone]

And with all this barb business...stop. I don't lose to barbs unless they sorb me, on a general basis. Like you said, they tele-lock and FOLLOW me. Tele/ww barbs: cast blizz over my body, watch em tele onto me and tele away. Rinse, repeat.

[luis19]

I can duel you if you want. So what do you consider sorb? I don't consider 2 ravens bm vs bliz since a bliz still 4 hit kills me anyways.

*dirtydozen131

and we need to duel again phyrexial. I got some fcr gear now so I won't have to use wizzy like last time :P.

[dkay]

i really dont know why your in denial. a caster killer barb will kill your orb sorc. sorry to say it but its true, your just going to accept that fact. 2 wiz spikes or 1 ebotd + 160 cold resist shield, doesnt matter, your orber will only be able to tank so many 6k w/o ds ww's.

[godisalone]

i really dont know why your in denial. a caster killer barb will kill your orb sorc. sorry to say it but its true, your just going to accept that fact. 2 wiz spikes or 1 ebotd + 160 cold resist shield, doesnt matter, your orber will only be able to tank so many 6k w/o ds ww's.

Hehe. so your argument: I'm right, you're wrong. damn. I thought i had a chance

[godisalone]

I can duel you if you want. So what do you consider sorb? I don't consider 2 ravens bm vs bliz since a bliz still 4 hit kills me anyways.

*dirtydozen131

and we need to duel again phyrexial. I got some fcr gear now so I won't have to use wizzy like last time :P.

2 points i'll make: 1) if you gonna put on 40% sorb, i hand the match to you. I don't wanna waste my time trying to beat a couple of ravens (but i will take time to try to beat you, if you're interested).2) who the hell said i was blizz? I used blizz one (1) for two reasons: a) phyr was standing still...easy blizz and (b) 1 raven makes orb weak, especially when the dude is playing defensive. (a+b= blizz= common sense)

/w *moralwarfare

[Phyrexial]

Well I purposely didn't slap on two ravens because I know Orb's damage takes quite a hit unlike Blizz. If I had two ravens on I probably could have just out tanked you. Anyway, I'd still like a duel again, 1 raven of course.

Out of curiosity, how much life do you have that Teeth doesn't hurt at all with no ES?

@Luis: Yeah, I've been meaning to find you online for some more duels.

[Rauth]

Teeth does around 1k right? Should be 166 per hit. He couldn't have had much more than 1-1.5k life with a ES sorc. Probably just didn't hit with any, or he Was using ES and didn't realize it.

[luis19]

I've dueled plenty of orb sorcs that can do pretty well vs 2 ravens. Actually most insisted I used 2 ravens for a better duel since it would take both of us multiple hits to kill each other (ES orbers).
But I'll use 1 raven if you want. Hit me up anytime I'm online.

BTW, orb still does good dmg with 2 ravens on. Duel someone with 1.5k orb dmg and you'll see.
1.5k/6 = 250
250 * 2 (-100 cold resist) = 500
500 * .2 (80% negated from ravens) = 100 pvp damage per shard
Nothing to laugh at when an orb explodes near you.

[godisalone]

Well I purposely didn't slap on two ravens because I know Orb's damage takes quite a hit unlike Blizz. If I had two ravens on I probably could have just out tanked you. Anyway, I'd still like a duel again, 1 raven of course.

Out of curiosity, how much life do you have that Teeth doesn't hurt at all with no ES?

@Luis: Yeah, I've been meaning to find you online for some more duels.

2.9k life (i'n not sure and im NOT trying too offend him but the dmg, i don't think, was too high) and i don't even HAVRE any pts. into energy shield....it's a watse of a point. He just didn't hurt me, case closed