what to put in my rune master?

[UnR3aLiZ3D]

hi people
after alot of search i got eth rune master 5 sock 246% ed.
now i dont know what runes to put, i want it for my pvp barb that use now eth dc, i want to my eth dc+my eth rune master, soo what runes to put in it?
i got 81%ds now.
and i got 1 more question now i use eth dc+eth botd ba 394%, to use eth dc+eth rune master will be better than what i use now?

thx for helpers.

[mstrnicegui]

I'd socket zod, 3*ed%/15ias, 1*ed/max.
zod = indestructible since eth items cannot be repaired
3*ed%/15ias = ed% is the highest dmg mod from jewels/runes/gems, 15ias because you need 45% ias to get to the last ww bp.
1*ed%/max = ed%, same as above, max is the next best dmg mod to ed%.

eth runemaster dmg w/ 40/15max and 40/15ias jewels:
246% = 247-515
246% avg = 381

270% = 259-539
270% avg = 399

eth botd dmg w/ 40/15max jewel:
398% = 193-586
398% avg = 389

415% = 199-603
415% avg = 401

NOTE: 40/15max is the best, but also most duped, form of the jewel I mentioned. If you want to trade for a legit version, look for 30%+/15max.

Conclusion: Your eth botd (with a ed%/max) is better than your eth runemaster since it has the edge on dmg and it has a bunch of other mods.

[Whitehaze]

i heard that ed%/max dmg jewels dont work, thats why they suggest using 40ed/15ias jewels

[Dahmer]

ed/max doesnt work in armory but it still works in weapons

[mstrnicegui]

If socketed in helm/armor/shield an ed/max jewel will apply ed to your min dmg, but not to max. an ed/min will apply ed to your max dmg, but not min. a rare ed/max/min will only apply the max and min and ignores ed altogether. There have been somewhat conflicting reports on the rare ed/max/min, but the majority favor that it is susceptible to the bug.

[UnR3aLiZ3D]

i decided to put zod+4xohm

[Dahmer]

mmm, u use eth dc + eth runemaster? frenzy? ww?

[UnR3aLiZ3D]

ww barb, why its matter?

[Dahmer]

it would matter if u only used runemaster as weapon & dont dualwield because with no ias in that runemaster u would only reach 8fpa ww

but i'm guessing you're gonna dualwield so u wont need ias in it :)

[Herald of Doom]

Conclusion: Your eth botd (with a ed%/max).
Where will you put that ed/max jewel in the botd ?

@UnR3aLiZ3D:It matters a lot, with 3*40/15 (or legit versions of those) you will hit the final breakpoint = the best amount of hits you will get during one whirlwind. With zod+3ohm you wont, so you'd get more dmg per hit but a lot less hits, so less dmg/time.

HoD

[mstrnicegui]

Where will you put that ed/max jewel in the botd ?
Hah, that's funny, I was spaced and thought of botd as a unique for some reason.

@Dahmer
ias on the second weapon does matter for ww, but not frenzy. He'll be hitting at 4fpa with his dcleaver and 8 fpa with his eth runemaster, just like HoD said.

@UnR3aLiZ3D
a 40/15 max jewel still does better than an ohm. That eth runemaster is no longer a very good ww weapon, but it'd go great on a frenzy barb as a second weapon.

[UnR3aLiZ3D]

Hah, that's funny, I was spaced and thought of botd as a unique for some reason.

@Dahmer
ias on the second weapon does matter for ww, but not frenzy. He'll be hitting at 4fpa with his dcleaver and 8 fpa with his eth runemaster, just like HoD said.

@UnR3aLiZ3D
a 40/15 max jewel still does better than an ohm. That eth runemaster is no longer a very good ww weapon, but it'd go great on a frenzy barb as a second weapon.

the rune master will be the secend weapon in my 2 axe ww barb, my rune master dmg is 267-540, alot better than my eth botd ba.

[Whitehaze]

somewhere i heard a zod bug is it true?
"if you put zod in an item and remove it with cube recipe it will stay indestructible"

[mstrnicegui]

the rune master will be the secend weapon in my 2 axe ww barb, my rune master dmg is 267-540, alot better than my eth botd ba.
but since you didn't put ias in it, the 45% I suggested, it hits at 8fpa instead of 4 fpa. This means it has a chance to hit half as often as your botd ba. Is the dmg on your botd half that of the runemaster, not possible. Therefore, your ba is a better choice without the ias in your runemaster.

[UnR3aLiZ3D]

but since you didn't put ias in it, the 45% I suggested, it hits at 8fpa instead of 4 fpa. This means it has a chance to hit half as often as your botd ba. Is the dmg on your botd half that of the runemaster, not possible. Therefore, your ba is a better choice without the ias in your runemaster.

ok, but in pvp ( not vs barb) ias not realy important in ww, and i get 40% in my eth dc.
u think ias gloves will be better for me than my steelrend?

[agusdaud]

FYI, deadly strike apply for each weapon
FYI, deadly stike on eth dc doesnt apply to botd BA when equip 2 weapon on the barbarian

well if u want to be godly in ww
then the only way rune master can beat eth dc / botd zerker in damage

if u put

zod
3x 40/15 = 45-10 = ias 35 which will break ww speed
lo = 20% deadly stike this really help

270+120 = 390%

and follow setup gear below

with highlord = 35%
2 x perfect raven = 500AR
hsarus boot + belt = 850 AR
=1350AR which enough with demond limb for duel

u will get around 20k+ AR

this will replace the angelic combo = which give around 1800 AR

[Dahmer]

2*raven while using weapon with cbf? :scratch:

angelic amu + 2 rings = 2160 ar @ lvl90
+ u can use verdungo's & gores to get higher vit, dmg reduce, fhr & higher chances of ow, cb
only thing that is lower now is ds & only by 18%

+ with verdungo's & gores u got bit higher def :p

[UnR3aLiZ3D]

FYI, deadly strike apply for each weapon
FYI, deadly stike on eth dc doesnt apply to botd BA when equip 2 weapon on the barbarian

well if u want to be godly in ww
then the only way rune master can beat eth dc / botd zerker in damage

if u put

zod
3x 40/15 = 45-10 = ias 35 which will break ww speed
lo = 20% deadly stike this really help

270+120 = 390%

and follow setup gear below

with highlord = 35%
2 x perfect raven = 500AR
hsarus boot + belt = 850 AR
=1350AR which enough with demond limb for duel

u will get around 20k+ AR

this will replace the angelic combo = which give around 1800 AR

i think u mistake, eth dc give me 66% ds+15% ds ( gore rider)= 81%ds
and the 81%ds work on eth rune master too, and not just for the eth dc.

[agusdaud]

i think u mistake, eth dc give me 66% ds+15% ds ( gore rider)= 81%ds
and the 81%ds work on eth rune master too, and not just for the eth dc.

i think you the one that wrong
66% ds from eth dc doesnt apply to eth rune master.

ds is apply for each weapon differently

if u got that 81% from armor then it apply for both weapon.

only 15% apply to r eth rune master

i hope u clear with this and pvp i suggest u using shield
no shield will get beaten by shield ww barbarian easy even with much less godly items than rs

[Herald of Doom]

i think u mistake, eth dc give me 66% ds+15% ds ( gore rider)= 81%ds
and the 81%ds work on eth rune master too, and not just for the eth dc.
Deadly strike on a weapon works only for the weapon it's on. So, with eth DC and gores as your only source of DS, and dual weilding, the DC would have 66+15 and the runemaster would have 15%.

Let's summarise:

The only way for a Runemaster to be equal in damage to a BotD BA is zod+3*ed/ias+ed/max (or ed/min, ed/strenght, even ed/dex). That way, the runemaster hits as much as the botd and with a bit more dmg. The downside is that runemaster doesn't have :7% Mana Stolen per Hit, (12-15)% Life Stolen per Hit, Requirements -20%, 25% Target Defense, +30 To All Attributes. It does have CBF and 5%max cold resist, but I'd rather have the extra's from BotD. For PvM, the botd has even more advantages.

HoD

[mstrnicegui]

ok, but in pvp ( not vs barb) ias not realy important in ww, and i get 40% in my eth dc.
u think ias gloves will be better for me than my steelrend?
ias is important any time you want to hit something with a weapon, especially with barbs.

Any and all attack mods on a weapon only count for that weapon, so ds, ias, ed%, and all non-passive mods do not count towards the other weapon.

The best gloves for dueling are dracul's, even for ww where the lifetap doesn't get cast.

[shaftstop]

ias is important any time you want to hit something with a weapon, especially with barbs.

Any and all attack mods on a weapon only count for that weapon, so ds, ias, ed%, and all non-passive mods do not count towards the other weapon.

The best gloves for dueling are dracul's, even for ww where the lifetap doesn't get cast.

I'll have to agree with this statment partially. Draculs aren't good not the best. Steelrends, are better. Crushing Blow, ED and STR give you overrall more damage then draculs,a nd draculs are you aren't wearing for the wasted mod.
I agree though IAS is importan theres nothing worse then WWing through a sorc would a good weapon, just to have them laugh at you as they defend againt nearly all your hits because you couldn't get enough ias in your WW to get best possible outcome in damage/speed. I know I've had this happen :P
It was embarassing to have 4k WW and just have sorc stand there not even lose a sliver of life and still have most of mana shield up. My gf makes a pretty mean FB dueler so i was able to watch her screen and didn't even see her mana drop (she wasn't even a vit sorc -.-) with shield.

Personally, I would do zod, shael, then ED/Ias or jus straight ED's 20ias in a shael gives you 1 socket less ED but also 1 socket less IAS i think s you can have ED/max or another mod possibly

[insane_knights]

Shaft do a search and you will find about 2 million debates of dracs vs steel. In all the debates dracs > rends.

[mstrnicegui]

You use dracs for the open wounds, which is a godly mod in pvp compared to crushing blow. cb is for pvm while ow is for pvp.

The ed% on rends turns out to be a pitiful amount of dmg compared to the amount ow will take off in an 8 second timeframe. The fact that ow takes 8 seconds to tick off like isn't a deterrent to duelers since they don't hit very often in the first place.