View Full Version : Dangerous to be an Athiest? Was for this guy.
giantpinkbunnyhead
06-11-2004, 06:45
All I have to say after reading this is, wow.
October 28, 2004
BY JOEL THURTELL
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER
A Taylor police dispatcher took the call at precisely 12:44 p.m. on Oct. 18.
A 49-year-old man said he'd just blasted a man with a revolver and a shotgun because the man said he didn't believe in God.
The dispatcher said the alleged shooter told him he'd just shot "the devil himself" and was still armed and standing over the body of the 62-year-old victim "in case he moved."
"I want to make sure he's gone," the alleged shooter told the dispatcher.
The dispatcher asked the suspect how many times he shot the victim.
"Hopefully enough," was the suspect's chilling reply, according to the dispatcher.
When police arrived in the 15600 block of McGuire, they could see the victim seated on a living room couch with major trauma to his head, officers said.
They said they were certain he was dead. He was.
Lying on a hallway floor was a black 12-gauge shotgun. Two spent shotgun shells lay on the floor nearby.
Later, police found a revolver with five spent cartridge casings.
On the way to the police station, the suspect told police "he did not want to deal with anyone that did not believe in God," according to the report.
The report also indicated that the suspect and the victim knew each other, although their relationship was unclear.
The suspect said he was an Eagle Scout, the report said.
The suspect said the victim had told him there was nothing he could say that would convince the 62-year-old to believe in God.
Following this discussion, the suspect said, he went into another room and removed his shirt. Then he shaved his face.
He tried once more to convince the victim to believe in God, but this time, he had the shotgun.
"How long would it take you to believe in God?" the suspect said he asked the victim.
"Not until I hear Gabriel blow his horn," the victim allegedly replied, while tipping his hat.
That's when the suspect shot him.
"I did it because he is evil; he was not a believer," the suspect told police.
The suspect said the victim "has been locked up most of his life."
Michigan Department of Corrections records indicate the victim was on probation for a drug conviction.
At the police station, the suspect commented that he believed there is a God.
Then, looking at the floor, he seemed to have second thoughts: "Maybe there's not," he said.
DrunkPotHead
06-11-2004, 06:48
"Maybe there's not"
I would sig that if the context of the conversation was clear, that's awesome.
Anyways, one less evil athiest walking around now. [/sarcasm]
Omikron8
06-11-2004, 06:54
So who still thinks that organized religion is a fun and wholesome thing or just a method of control?
BaronVonBoner
06-11-2004, 07:12
This guy is crazy. Shooting athiests is pretty counter-productive to christians, considering that their goal is supposedly to save souls rather than send them straight to hell.
So who still thinks that organized religion is a fun and wholesome thing or just a method of control?
If you're using this guy as an example of why organized religion is a form of control you're wrong. Or, that is to say, this is not a good example.
If you were just asking a general question that is a little different.
Steel_Avatar
06-11-2004, 07:53
So who still thinks that organized religion is a fun and wholesome thing or just a method of control?
Is taking an isolated example as indicative of the whole any more fun and wholesome?
dubya-tee-eff
who sold this freak the guns? and ammo? was the atheist guy some kind of investigative psychologist or something? what the hell was he doing inside the home of... belahrg
Ace_wanderer
06-11-2004, 10:01
Im not a christian but I think that guy as well as being a fanatic was crazy.
my guess is that the gut had some serious psychological problems. If it wasn't religion then it likely would have been alien mind control waves or the pod people.
CyberHawk
06-11-2004, 14:07
Doesnt he know he cant do God's work that away. *Imagines this guy as a preacher*
Your supposed to walk tall, and carry a big stick...also hand out candy to children.
If someone yelled at me.."I hate God"...my reply, "well least least you believe in him"..to hate is to love. To beleive nothing is the worst. The guy who shot him...was weak, thats all..he tries to do something he thinks is right, when all he did was sell his soul to the devil practically.
my guess is that the gut had some serious psychological problems. If it wasn't religion then it likely would have been alien mind control waves or the pod people.
Thats what i was going to say, You can only question the sanity of the man, I wont i'll blame Durf it's much easier.
That should be a hate crime...
...right?
IDupedInMyPants
06-11-2004, 16:50
Yeah, it should be. It's not this guy's fault that he was the most athi.
Omikron8
27-11-2004, 21:42
Is taking an isolated example as indicative of the whole any more fun and wholesome?
Lets just say that today's world has too many "isolated examples" of organized religion gone wrong.
Whoa, necromancy;)
Its really sad when things like this happen :(
Well, it doesn't really matter whether he's alive or dead, if he's not saved... he probably wouldn't have been, either, if he was that obstinate in the face of salvation... his choice was simple, salvation or damnation, and he picked damnation... not much anyone can do about it, but the dude should have left it up to God probably, oh well, nothing to get upset over...
Suicidal Zebra
27-11-2004, 23:38
MMMmmmmmmmm... flamebait. Nice.
ThereIsNoTruth
27-11-2004, 23:50
The thing is, people don't realize that there are other fanatics than some Muslim groups. Sad, really.
MMMmmmmmmmm... flamebait. Nice.
Thanks, I tried to make it ridiculously absurd yet believable to the athiestic zealots waiting to pounce on it.
Kind of ironic, really, since I am an agnostic, yet I find myself defending organized religion every time it comes up on these boards.
Steel_Avatar
28-11-2004, 02:11
Lets just say that today's world has too many "isolated examples" of organized religion gone wrong.
So what makes this any more worse then a man shot over, say, a drug deal gone bad?
MithrandirX
28-11-2004, 03:31
Wow, what a bummer of a day for that atheist guy! First he gets shot by some wackjob and then he gets to burn in hell for all eternity. :lol:
Tarantella
28-11-2004, 03:44
On the up side 62 is a good age to live too and he died for what he believed in.
On the up side 62 is a good age to live too and he died for what he believed in.
Speaking of which, does it not take an infinite amount of faith to become and remain atheist?
Speaking of which, does it not take an infinite amount of faith to become and remain atheist?I wouldn't say infinite, but it certainly takes as much faith as one who believes in a supernatural entity.
I don't think it takes faith to say "There is no evidence of a flying breed of gorilla, I do not believe they exist."
/edit
If there was documented evidence of a god or god-like/super natural events, I would reconsider my position. It isn't as if I refuse to see:)
This guy is crazy. Shooting athiests is pretty counter-productive to christians, considering that their goal is supposedly to save souls rather than send them straight to hell.
I was under the assumption that thier goal was to try and make sure that everyone should be christian. Whether that means converting people or blowing away the non-believers. The only difference is that one takes longer.
Doesn't matter if you're christian or not, we all end up in the same place after we die; not here. Beyond that no one knows. Why some people make such a big fuss over this heaven/hell thing I don't know...
Isn't it your duty in Catholocism to try and convert all who are not already christian?
Heh, it isn't to 'make sure everyone is christian' by any means necessary. It is to convert (in most denominations atleast, bar any who don't believe in recruiting at all).
I just want to know one thing... What is the name of at least one person involved? Are we 100% sure this isn't just a piece of satire? The ending is highly suspect. A bit too perfect.
Granted it could be real, but...
Lord_Shinnok
28-11-2004, 18:44
I've looked past this guys 'religious views' and gone right to the fact he's a few dimes short of a dollar. This man is crazy in general; he was just waiting for something to set him off. In this case it was religion, in some other universe someone could have put onions on his hamburger which would lead to a thread about the evil of onions.
Onions are evil, fear them for the devil speaks through threm. :lol:
felstorm
28-11-2004, 20:40
Why some people make such a big fuss over this heaven/hell thing I don't know...
Because Geebus told him to.
He was angry at the atheist because the little voices in his head didn't talk to him.
It's so obvious the guy was a lunatic. I wonder which came first. The crazy people or the Christianity? I'm guessing the former and Christianity is just a name-brand for this guy's particular flavor of psychotic episode.
Thats rough, I suppose I could be called an athiest... I wasn't, but organized religion has become a cult thing for me. I don't dislike religious people, but I just don't see how sitting in a room chanting is getting me anywhere... this is what I get for studying science...
AeroJonesy
28-11-2004, 21:04
I don't dislike religious people, but I just don't see how sitting in a room chanting is getting me anywhere
There's tons of religious services out there that don't involve any sort of chanting whatsoever.
felstorm
28-11-2004, 23:00
There's tons of religious services out there that don't involve any sort of chanting whatsoever.
Like the Church of Durfus Hungoverus, of Latterday Blame.
I only heard on chant in that church.
It went like... Ziggyzoggy. Ziggyzoggy. Hoy Hoy Hoy!
And then everyone did a keg-stand and passed out.
Beer-bongs for ladies. Of course.
There's tons of religious services out there that don't involve any sort of chanting whatsoever.
True true... though I am young and underexposed... I'm not saying I'm wise, just what I have seen as of know isn't impressive. Theres no saying I won't be drawn to a religion in the future... who knows whats out there.
Bah, who cares, just love... thats all you need to do. Love and ignorance, the only two needed feelings haha.
Lets just say that today's world has too many "isolated examples" of organized religion gone wrong.
So let us just ignore the millions of christians not blowing people away, gotta love focusing on only the negative.
I was under the assumption that thier goal was to try and make sure that everyone should be christian. Whether that means converting people or blowing away the non-believers. The only difference is that one takes longer.
no, thats pretty much goes against everything that Jesus taught
True true... though I am young and underexposed... I'm not saying I'm wise, just what I have seen as of know isn't impressive. Theres no saying I won't be drawn to a religion in the future... who knows whats out there.
You should try going to a more contemporary service sometime. I grew up catholic, and kind of got turned off to the whole "chanting" style of service as well. I went to some of my bro's churches a few times... live bands and stuff, pretty enjoyable experience actually. I'm by no means a hardcore christian either.. but i guess i "dabble" a bit.
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