Mana Potting BM?

[Mr.FartKnocker]

I was in a dueling game today and it was down to just me and an Asn, and we were talking and I told him I didn't have enough mana, so he said just drink mana pots, it's not BM nowadays anyways since WW Barbs and Hammerdins drink pots constantly.

My question is: is it "okay" or "fair" to drink mana potions while dueling? Is it considered BM, general speaking in pub games? What about in private leagues and such?

Thanks,
btw L SC USEast

[mepersoner]

Public = okay

Private = not okay`

[Tanakles]

small correction: public = ok, EXCEPT for energy shield sorcs, cause basicly their mana is their life... :grrr:

[Garbad_the_Weak]

Always bm. Weak mana is a char flaw like any other. If you use mana pots to make up for your flaws, how can you complain when a person uses antidote pots, healing pots, etc, etc to make up for thier char's flaws?

Garbad

[Rauth]

I normally don't mind when someone uses a mana pot or two in a duel to make it last longer, and therefore more fun(you know, that reason why some of us duel), but when every other person I kill pops 12 mana pots it gets annoying. Bone necs are the worst offenders, since Most of them have crap mana and heavy skill costs, and would have little to no chance in a long duel without mass mana pots. ES sorcs are a close second since they use them as undetectable life pots basically. They could be juving and you would never know :(


A lot of times I Want someone to use mana pots. Its like giving someone a handicap to make the duel more fair/fun. Winning by them running out of mana is kind of boring to me, so sometimes I just tell them to get mana pots and keep on dueling. However, I have no sympathy for people who want to use 16 mana pots because they like to spam from 2 screens away all day.

[Mehatesmaphack]

Always bm. Weak mana is a char flaw like any other. If you use mana pots to make up for your flaws, how can you complain when a person uses antidote pots, healing pots, etc, etc to make up for thier char's flaws?

Garbad

I used to think that way too. I filled my chars with mana charms (couldn't afford enough skillers or life charms to fill their inventories anyway) and never used pots of any type.

The thing is you can't see a person's mana orb like you can see their life so you can't tell if they are potting or not especially in pubs where a lot of people even use hacks. Also it's not exactly unfair for you to use mana pots against multiple opponents in a bm pub game since it's basically a way for you to replenish mana without going back to akara so often. and in bm pub games really anything goes.

and in private leagues where mana pots aren't allowed I don't use them. The truth is not allowing mana pots gives rich people with 20/17s and +90 mana caster rings even more of an advantage over the poor. In other private games mana pots allow people to have more fast paste, exciting and less defensive duels. Unforunately, idiots such as Ai, Sf people not only abuse aa,map hack, every bugged,hacked item, they also make "mana pools" whenever they "duel". Basically what they do is put hundreds of mana pots in a corner of blood moor so they can tele away and spam non stop with infinite mana. ( :lol: ****ing idiots)

[Mr.FartKnocker]

I'm currently dueling with

Bone Necro (no Enigma)
Lightning Trapper
Orber/ES Sorc

So I shouldn't start potting with my Sorc or Necro? It sure seems like those other PnB Necros are potting, lol. They fire BS for like 20 seconds straight and still have mana to tele like mad.

[mcm]

It's all fine and dandy saying that its bad mannered and such, but the FACT OF THE MATTER is that you have NO WAY to tell if someone is mana potting.
You have no way to tell if someone is potting ANYTHING but rejuvs and health pots for that matter.
Due to this simple fact, you better learn to accept it because it's going to happen. Tough luck aye, blame blizzard for selling mana pots from NPCs.
Personally I'd rather have someone eat a blue pot than run away and regen mana for 2 minutes to avoid aborting the duel due to something as inconclusive as "out of mana", which you might very well count as a win but the reality is that it doesn't satisfy my thirst to kill rat bastard necros...

[mcm]

Yeah that "mana pool" thing gets tiresome. I'd say 16 mana pots is a decent limit to have. If someone is playing SO defensively that they run out of 16, then they deserve to lose by default.
If someone dumps out several belts worth of mana in the blood moor, you can always just start eating it. That's always a nice surprise for them as they make a last gasp effort to retreive their mana stash and its GONE! BAHAHAHAHAHA DIEEE NECRROSSSS

[Ethereal.Grizzly]

Always bm. Weak mana is a char flaw like any other. If you use mana pots to make up for your flaws, how can you complain when a person uses antidote pots, healing pots, etc, etc to make up for thier char's flaws?

Garbad

well.. this is somewhat true. i mean my wc barb has 1800 mana and STILL has mana problems >_<
50 mana wcs at 8 frames = no thnx

[Garbad_the_Weak]

Well, let me rephrase that a bit. Ether play anything goes and pot away, or leave the pots at home.

And the whole "benifits the rich" argument holds no water. People who spend more time, get lucky, etc SHOULD have an advantage over the casual gamer. Yes, wealth can come from hacking/duping, etc, but I blame blizzard for that.

Garbad

[Rauth]

Personally I'd rather have someone eat a blue pot than run away and regen mana for 2 minutes to avoid aborting the duel due to something as inconclusive as "out of mana", which you might very well count as a win but the reality is that it doesn't satisfy my thirst to kill rat bastard necros...

Exactly. If I can't kill them without them running out of mana, then I should lose anyway. Another annoying tactic this would bring out, is VERY defensive playing style that will drain your opponents mana for an easy kill. I would rather they mana pot than take 15 minutes per duel. :(

I wouldn't call mana pots bm, but I think they are like using marrow bug, using lifetap gear, being a trapper(jk :)), and other things not exactly bm, but still annoying.

[ReVolution]

Mana pools for 1v1 duels are stupid, but i see nothing wrong with a belt of pots. If either player runs out of mana the duel just turns defensive and boring.

[Garbad_the_Weak]

How to stop mana potting:

Vs "mana poolers"

Wait till they set up the nice little pool, then go. Immediately grab all the pots and chug them. If they complain, say "mana pots don't change the outcome of a duel" or whatever line they used to justify it.

Vs pubbers

When they die, teleport on top of the corpse, grab the blues, chug. This works best if they have no gold of course, if they have some, simply don't let them go back to town, and if they do, rinse and repeat. It burns gold pretty fast.

Bottom Line:

Its a char flaw. Build accordingly. Put down your weaklet 08 valks and hotos and get spikes/shakos. If you pot, fine, but don't complain about other bm things.

Garbad

[Mehatesmaphack]

How to stop mana potting:

Vs "mana poolers"

Wait till they set up the nice little pool, then go. Immediately grab all the pots and chug them. If they complain, say "mana pots don't change the outcome of a duel" or whatever line they used to justify it.

Vs pubbers

When they die, teleport on top of the corpse, grab the blues, chug. This works best if they have no gold of course, if they have some, simply don't let them go back to town, and if they do, rinse and repeat. It burns gold pretty fast.

Bottom Line:

Its a char flaw. Build accordingly. Put down your weaklet 08 valks and hotos and get spikes/shakos. If you pot, fine, but don't complain about other bm things.

Garbad

Lol I always do that to those little Ai, Sf people and they go"wtf" when they use up their 16 pots. (they can't seem to ever finish a duel without using 100+ pots. since all they do is tele away all day and spam spam spam when they dont' have aa on.)

Only an idiot would complain about mana pots in a pub game. I'm guessing you don't pub that's why you keep coming up with all this "bm" "gm" and expect all the 9 year old pubby people to follow your rules. In a no rules pk game doing anything is fine except hacking.

[Rauth]

Shako all the way! I keep wiz for res stacking purposes. It also has nicer fhr breakpoints for my druid. :)

[Garbad_the_Weak]

Only an idiot would complain about mana pots in a pub game. I'm guessing you don't pub that's why you keep coming up with all this "bm" "gm" and expect all the 9 year old pubby people to follow your rules. In a no rules pk game doing anything is fine except hacking.
Much like how an idiot would complain about stealing gold, eh? There are always unspoken rules. In most games, pub or not, potting is bm.

Garbad

[RainofChaos220]

Mana pots are not BM in legit us-east private dueling, so yes they are perfectly fine to use.

[Tor]

cs zons, trappers, and necros pop potions then i nk them cuz they are ghey town guarders

[Zabo]

Mana pots are not BM in legit us-east private dueling, so yes they are perfectly fine to use.
Speaking for yourself might I add. There is obviously more to east then you are aware of.

Basically, the arguments really will not accomplish anything, because at the bare minimum a duelist can still carry four pots without being detected when they die.

With that said, I must admit I agree with garbad :(

[luis19]

Zabo, RainofChaos is right, nearly every legit private dueling in east, mana pots are not BM. I think only in sorc duels it is bm, but it can really go undetected.

[DefyGravity]

marrowwalks bug? Huh? I have one on my Hammerdin for mana regeneration but does it work on those? No I don't use mana pots cuz its BM and ***. Get sojs/frosties/glooms or w/e or teach points into energy. Health pots are even worse.

[luis19]

Thing is, in a defensive duel, builds like necros and hammerdins use alot of mana per spell, and will run out of mana pretty fast. So its either having a boring defensive duel by waiting for the other person to run out of mana or taking that factor out and seeing who is better.

[Garbad_the_Weak]

Sorcs have low life and so its either play defensive or pot and see who is better.

Garbad

[Mehatesmaphack]

Sorcs have low life and so its either play defensive or pot and see who is better.

Garbad

bad sarcasm. not running out of life and not running out of mana are two completely different things.

using mana pots in certain match ups can make the duels more intense and aggressive.(sometimes it's the oppsite.) it beats teleing way away all day and hiding somwhere all day trying to slowly regen mana.

I don't see how anything is bm if both sides agree on it. I sometimes ask my opponents to absorb me, duel me when i'm naked, x vs 1 me, use life tap, slow,etc for fun and to give me more of a challenge. Does it make them bm If I don't mind what they do and even ecourage them to be "BM"?

what is bm and what is not is only a matter of opinion. It's pointless trying to force everyone to agree with you, espeically if both duelers agree on the same thing.

[Herald of Doom]

Zabo, RainofChaos is right, nearly every legit private dueling in east, mana pots are not BM. I think only in sorc duels it is bm, but it can really go undetected.
afaik (and to be honest that's not as much as it once was :-/) almost every legit duel circle in Europe that I know of: any potions= BIG nonono. Ofcourse, I don't know all of them, and the ones I know of might have changed their rules. For example, Europvp: "The legit pvp rules are:... no potions...." The dots are there to clarify that I've left out most of the sentence :). I never pot anything, if I run out of mana I just switch to my "ith"arreat of to the angelic set.

HoD

[Garbad_the_Weak]

bad sarcasm. not running out of life and not running out of mana are two completely different things.
How?

Garbad

[soulesschild]

I recently traded my caster belt cuz my friend wanted it so badly, and he gave me a good belt, but its a light type belt, hence only 8 pots. At first I thought it was a bad thing, but then I realized that since i play in pubs so much (not alot of private duels around) i have to pot to keep up with all the BMness. But now I have to rely more on fast reflexes/skill then spamming spirits all day so i dont get screwed over by 7v1 :P

But in private duels, i never pot.

[Mehatesmaphack]

If both duelers use mana pots and don't mind if their opponent's use them too, how can you call them bm without being a huge hypocrite.

mana potting is like having infinite ammunition, life potting is like being immortal.

[Garbad_the_Weak]

If both duelers use mana pots and don't mind if their opponent's use them too, how can you call them bm without being a huge hypocrite.
Like I said at the beginning, if its anything goes, so be it. If its agreed on, so be it. Nothing wrong with anything goes dueling.

But as a general proposition, I find it indistinguishable from life potting, mercs, wells, shrines, and other bm/unfair or annoying practices. Its simply a way to compensate for a char flaw while insisting others don't do the same by absorbing, using life pots, etc.

Garbad

[Mehatesmaphack]

Like I said at the beginning, if its anything goes, so be it. If its agreed on, so be it. Nothing wrong with anything goes dueling.

But as a general proposition, I find it indistinguishable from life potting, mercs, wells, shrines, and other bm/unfair or annoying practices. Its simply a way to compensate for a char flaw while insisting others don't do the same by absorbing, using life pots, etc.

Garbad

I find it lame and annoying to run away a lot in duels does that mean it's a universally bm thing to do? I find it bm that skilless people need to use absorb or+ max res to negate their opponent's damage does that mean it's bm for people to use only tgods against 13k trappers just because i can beat them without? I think it's very bm for a "zealer" to use widow maker and hide in puddles in a supposedly melee bvz duel, does that mean you were being bm when you dueled mcm? (he could have camped in a house and waited for you to come in. It would have been a stalemate.) Exploiting bugs is bm right? So why does ch allow items such as stone,carrion wind to be used for their bugged synergies!!!!!??? and how come zod bugged items are allowed in CH???!!!

I find all of the above practices indistinguishable from life potting, mercs, wells, shrines, and other bm/unfair or annoying practices. They are simply ways to compensate for a char flaw while insisting others don't do the same by absorbing, using life pots, etc.


Is it bm to use demon limb to compensate for your melee char's low ar? Is it bm to make the other person wait for a long time and prebuff? If I find it bm and a lame way to compensate for your classes weaknesses by using cross-class skills such as ww(from chaos),bo(cta),ga(widowmaker),zeal(passion),werebe ar form(beast), does that mean CH people are bm for using those?

[Ethereal.Grizzly]

mehates just for clarification cta isnt allowed in ch.
but i always wondered why carrion was allowed in ch.
a rule that doesnt allow carrion will prolly dramatically drop the increase in f/r

[Garbad_the_Weak]

II think it's very bm for a "zealer" to use widow maker and hide in puddles in a supposedly melee bvz duel, does that mean you were being bm when you dueled mcm?
McM used teleport, beast, and stomping and GA was bm? And I stopped when he asked me to. And going into a house would have suited me just fine :)

If using terrain vs a barb is bm, so be it, I am a bm zealot. Seriously, what do you expect? Or have you become one of those stand still so I can whirl you people?

So why does ch allow items such as stone,carrion wind to be used for their bugged synergies!!!!!??? and how come zod bugged items are allowed in CH???!!!
What differences does it make what goes in CH? We agreed to it, so if we all agreed to use 100% slow, pots, and mercs every duel it would only be our business?

We were talking about pubs and if its cheap. I think most people think mana potting is cheap in pubs, but they think others do it and get away with it and just do it. Much like nking, gold stealing, etc. The overwhelming majority do, no matter what people here say.

Garbad

P.S. Learn to discuss without getting all emotional.

[Mehatesmaphack]

[QUOTE=Garbad_the_Weak

What differences does it make what goes in CH? We agreed to it, so if we all agreed to use 100% slow, pots, and mercs every duel it would only be our business?

We were talking about pubs and if its cheap. I think most people think mana potting is cheap in pubs, but they think others do it and get away with it and just do it. Much like nking, gold stealing, etc. The overwhelming majority do, no matter what people here say.

Garbad

P.S. Learn to discuss without getting all emotional.[/QUOTE]


We weren't just talking about pubs and you were also commenting on how using mana pots in in private games where people agreed to it was bm too.

"Always bm. Weak mana is a char flaw like any other. If you use mana pots to make up for your flaws, how can you complain when a person uses antidote pots, healing pots, etc, etc to make up for thier char's flaws?"

"Well, let me rephrase that a bit. Ether play anything goes and pot away, or leave the pots at home."

"Much like how an idiot would complain about stealing gold, eh? There are always unspoken rules. In most games, pub or not, potting is bm."

"Sorcs have low life and so its either play defensive or pot and see who is better."


It seems that you are saying private or not,agreed upon or not mana potting is always a bm thing to do.

[RainofChaos220]

garbad, mana pots are allowed after rules were changed for 1.10

[Mehatesmaphack]

garbad, mana pots are allowed after rules were changed for 1.10

yeah, and only you are allowed to use hacked stuff because you are special.

I don't see how this thread has anything to do with you since u use 75mana/15 life scs so mana is never a problem for you.

[disc]

hmm mana potting bm?
in a pubby game a barb ww for about 35 seconds chasing my ama around the blood moor, whilst in ww guided doesnt hit. when he realised he would die when his pots ran (because he had less frw) he ww into town.
downing mana pots is the same as downing life pots, they both keep you alive. lame imo

[Mehatesmaphack]

hmm mana potting bm?
in a pubby game a barb ww for about 35 seconds chasing my ama around the blood moor, whilst in ww guided doesnt hit. when he realised he would die when his pots ran (because he had less frw) he ww into town.
downing mana pots is the same as downing life pots, they both keep you alive. lame imo

it's called desynch ww lock and it's usually just a single ultra long ww. no need to use mana pots for that.

[disc]

it's called desynch ww lock and it's usually just a single ultra long ww. no need to use mana pots for that

no its just potting, my point was the barb stayed alive as long as he had mana.

[Mehatesmaphack]

no its just potting, my point was the barb stayed alive as long as he had mana.

:lol: you can ask etheral grizzly, i just did it to him today.

[RainofChaos220]

yeah, and only you are allowed to use hacked stuff because you are special.

I don't see how this thread has anything to do with you since u use 75mana/15 life scs so mana is never a problem for you.

Is that supposed to be an insult? Or is it supposed to make me feel guilty? In any case, I wasn't even talking to you so sit down and be quiet, kid. Ok?

Pretty obvious 15-70's are for pubs so I dont have to akara every minute, legit charms if it's a private game where they aren't allowed.

[Mehatesmaphack]

Is that supposed to be an insult? Or is it supposed to make me feel guilty? In any case, I wasn't even talking to you so sit down and be quiet, kid. Ok?

Pretty obvious 15-70's are for pubs so I dont have to akara every minute, legit charms if it's a private game where they aren't allowed.

took you so long to come up with such a lame come back. ( that whole shut up kid crap again)

[RainofChaos220]

took you so long to come up with such a lame come back. ( that whole shut up kid crap again)

Cry more ok?

[Rauth]

Somebodys workin on a ban ;)

@disc Either he was in a ww lock, which can't end and he can't be killed unless he hits you or hits some part of the terrain, or he was just contstantly wwing, which does not protect him from arrows whatsoever except for maintaining max block.

The diff between mana and life is that when you run outa mana, you are still technically alive. You could still normal attack theoretically, or just run away to regen mana, which is kind of annoying and boring. If you can't beat someone because they mana pot, you have some issues with your own build. Using life pots makes you nearly unkillable depending on your build, while mana pots do not make you any harder to kill.


Just my opinions :)

[Garbad_the_Weak]

Using life pots makes you nearly unkillable depending on your build, while mana pots do not make you any harder to kill.Except of course for the fact you now have unlimited mobility and can effortlessly dodge any nonnamelock attack.

Mana pots give you an advantage you otherwise wouldn't enjoy, much like life pots, shrines, mercs (give ranged physical, minion stack), antipote pots, etc, etc, etc. And like I said at the beginning, if people want to duel anything goes, so be it. But if they want mannered duels, mana pots are bm.

@MHMH

And no, if people agree I couldn't care less. Its up to them. If 2 people agree to duel in any fashion whatsoever, its thier business. But in general, I think mana pots are cheap.

Garad

[Mehatesmaphack]

Except of course for the fact you now have unlimited mobility and can effortlessly dodge any nonnamelock attack.

Mana pots give you an advantage you otherwise wouldn't enjoy, much like life pots, shrines, mercs (give ranged physical, minion stack), antipote pots, etc, etc, etc. And like I said at the beginning, if people want to duel anything goes, so be it. But if they want mannered duels, mana pots are bm.

@MHMH

And no, if people agree I couldn't care less. Its up to them. If 2 people agree to duel in any fashion whatsoever, its thier business. But in general, I think mana pots are cheap.

Garad

:lol: You have been arguing with rauth about mana potting for a long long time not just in this thread. Rauth never uses mana pots himself and he has been saying how doesn't mind if his opponents use mana pots against him so they can be more of a challenge for him all along.you've been telling him how mana pots are bm bm bm bm no matter what. for proof just read that parts of your posts I quoted and look at your previous posts in other threads. Seriously, the only reason you are non stop arguing is you can't bring yourself to admit you are ever wrong.

[Ethereal.Grizzly]

:lol: you can ask etheral grizzly, i just did it to him today.

yes T-T
disc it doesnt cost 100+ mana just to name ww lock someone. mhmh is living proof of that. only times i see barbs ever using pots is against other barbs wher e the duel gets long or when there is a caster barb fighting 5v1 or something.
if it was b v b and both ran outta mana.. i think downing a pot is ok since itll make the game go faster instead of both of them sitting there waiting for thier mana to regen.

[Daelbeth]

How about a winddruid using his cyclone armor (and thus mana) to keep himself alive. As an orb sorc i have no chance at all to kill these guys, if they keep gulping mana potions. I personally don't use mana pots, since mana is life for a orb/es sorc, and i would rather lose then. Just would like to know what u guys think of this situation (since it happens to me quite a lot)

[disc]

disc it doesnt cost 100+ mana just to name ww lock someone. mhmh is living proof of that. only times i see barbs ever using pots is against other barbs wher e the duel gets long or when there is a caster barb fighting 5v1 or something.

ive not played barbs in 110 so i bow to your better judgement but a 35 second ww is going to cost mana pots. i cant see how that amount of ww is coming off of one mana orb, what 15 seconds constant ww at most?
now my ama is lvl 49 and if i duel a lvl 85 barb i need him to be running towards me to loose his block. when hes in ww i cant take down his life so in this case poting mana is giving him an advantage. Alos he isfilling his inv with max charms instead of mana charms. hence he has more damage and ar.
to be fair this is pubby and there arent many rules in pubby except turn up.

[Module88]

garbad, mana pots are allowed after rules were changed for 1.10

Since when? Why? OH WAIT! It's because using dual stat mana leech rings would be weaker than using this angelics! Or wait, how about because I run out of mana because I spam so many spirits without hitting anything? You may as well use health potions for your lack of leech too. Mana pots are bm if both parties don't agree to use them.

Pretty obvious 15-70's are for pubs so I dont have to akara every minute, legit charms if it's a private game where they aren't allowed.

Or maybe it's because you need the hacked items to win? I mean, don't you support mana pots? Why don't you gulp those down? That's excuse up there doesn't fly with me, or anyone else for that matter.

"Mana pots are ok to use." "But I need these hacked charms that grant me extra mana." What for? "..."

[Rauth]

How about a winddruid using his cyclone armor (and thus mana) to keep himself alive. As an orb sorc i have no chance at all to kill these guys, if they keep gulping mana potions. I personally don't use mana pots, since mana is life for a orb/es sorc, and i would rather lose then. Just would like to know what u guys think of this situation (since it happens to me quite a lot)

I think you're right. If windy can't beat the orber in the time it takes to run outa mana(6-10 mins for my 900mana if used conservatively), then he should die. Kind of annoying when the sorc just tele-tele-tele-spam-tele-tele-tele-spam the whole time though. Basically impossible to catch unless he runs into nados or messes up timing.



@Garb Yes you do have limitless mobility, which is more fun for me. Most people have enough mana regen to have limitless mobility either way. I use magefists just for that over trangs. The fun part of dueling is outsmarting or outreacting your opponent. When they can dodge any non-namelock attack effortlessly, it makes it that much more challenging to actually hit them with it. Obviously it is possible, or almost all caster duels would be endless. I like the fast pace of a duel when the other guy doesn't have to worry about mana, which would make him be slower and more conservative, aka boring.


@disc You're kind of missing the point. The barb didn't need to mana pot because a ww, no matter how long, only costs the initial mana. It doesn't take mana from you the entire time you are wwing. So, he just wwed once namelocking you, which made him go into a bugged ww that doesn't stop untill he runs into something. Its actually very annoying for the barb and usually a good thing for the other guy. Just keep running backwards and shoot arrows at him. Eventually you want to lead him into an obstacle so you don't have to tank a whirl.

[barren]

Wow, a discussion about potting being legit. Just when I thought pvp couldn't possibly get any lower. I'm glad I quit awhile ago, when there was still some sort of honor out there.

[Ethereal.Grizzly]

this is pub dueling wrrere talking about. in priv it snot even allowed (sometimes)
and potting has always been an issue since d2 ever started so i dont know what your talking about.

and to disc.... blah rauth beat me to it. ww only costs the intial casting then it can go as far as you click with your mouse. so if the guy you were dueling lcick on your name he would pay 25 or 35 mana to cast ww then he would follow you till he catches up with you. (this is called ww lock)

[Ethereal.Grizzly]

How about a winddruid using his cyclone armor (and thus mana) to keep himself alive. As an orb sorc i have no chance at all to kill these guys, if they keep gulping mana potions. I personally don't use mana pots, since mana is life for a orb/es sorc, and i would rather lose then. Just would like to know what u guys think of this situation (since it happens to me quite a lot)

other than orb, most sorc skills can take out cyclone armor in 1-2 hits.
blizzard, fireball, lightning can easily blast it and the next hit will be critical.
but like rauth said a windy should always beat a orber.

the only time i see mana potting truely unfair is when there is a orb/es sorc since its basically "healing" him/her

[dthseeker]

Wow, a discussion about potting being legit. Just when I thought pvp couldn't possibly get any lower. I'm glad I quit awhile ago, when there was still some sort of honor out there.

exactly

whether or not everyone else does it is not a subject of matter for me or for any of you, because you guys have about [ ] <- that much influence on whether or not someone does mana pot

asking for if its generally considered bm right now can be put simply.

morally its wrong, your char should be ready to handle things, such as the ability to be able to cast its spells.

If a necro is having problems with mana it should put points into energy. If the necro is crap because it has to spend points into energy and not vitality then its not a very good build, maybe more mana charms or life charms instead of a pnb gc.
If it runs away to town its your win anyway or if they run into a corner you should be able to chase them down and kill them.

technically anything goes, hacks, whatever, dupes, whatever, potting, whatever.

because whether or not if your in a pub, you don't know these people, and they have no control over you, and you don't have to listen to their crap if you squelch them.




and MHMH, why are you so arrogant? it seems as though you take every single comment from an opposing view as a challenge. and you also give off the attitude that you are the number 1 bnet dueler. Whether or not you are you gain no respect from anyone by challenging everything you see and being rude.

the point of trying to be the best in whatever you do is for the respect of others and to meet the challenges given to you (<which isn't the same as shooting down every single opposing view you hear). If someone wants to post in a thread let them post.

seriously, i suggest taking in some views with appreciation or you'll get a lot of people having you on their ignore list (like myself)

[Mehatesmaphack]

exactly

and MHMH, why are you so arrogant? it seems as though you take every single comment from an opposing view as a challenge. and you also give off the attitude that you are the number 1 bnet dueler. Whether or not you are you gain no respect from anyone by challenging everything you see and being rude.

the point of trying to be the best in whatever you do is for the respect of others and to meet the challenges given to you (<which isn't the same as shooting down every single opposing view you hear). If someone wants to post in a thread let them post.

seriously, i suggest taking in some views with appreciation or you'll get a lot of people having you on their ignore list (like myself)

eh? lol where did that come from. Ok i do argue for the sake of arguing but at least i don't worship forum mods as gods when they are obviously being wrong and hypocritical. why don't u list my posts in this thread where I did the things you accused me of.

and what the hell does mana potting have to do with being the best anyway, you might wanna pick the right thread and person to flame.

[Ethereal.Grizzly]

you know after some thinking ive realized that most classes dont have problems with mana. even base nrg necros/sorcs/windies can easily achieve 900+ mana without investing in nrg. rauth is a prime example of a windy that doesnt pot and doesnt need to with zero points in nrg. the problem with this thread is "what will happen when its a long duel and you run outta mana" if thats the case, if agreed by the opposing dueler, both of you decide to use mana pots. if not then dont, plain and simple. i really dont see why this arguement has to keep going. i have a warcry barb that doesnt pot and im not complaining. (wc barbs cast 50 mana cost wcs at 9 frames)

edit: dth 2 things.. no offense on either.
1. mhmh is not the "Best" but he is pretty damn well known for his skills and characters.
2. i dont think your a regular here at the pvp forum but just know that this is how it always is. the pvp forum is known for its heated arguements so dont get too irratated when you see people discussing matters like this. ( mhmh and garb)

[Mehatesmaphack]

you know after some thinking ive realized that most classes dont have problems with mana. even base nrg necros/sorcs/windies can easily achieve 900+ mana without investing in nrg. rauth is a prime example of a windy that doesnt pot and doesnt need to with zero points in nrg. the problem with this thread is "what will happen when its a long duel and you run outta mana" if thats the case, if agreed by the opposing dueler, both of you decide to use mana pots. if not then dont, plain and simple. i really dont see why this arguement has to keep going. i have a warcry barb that doesnt pot and im not complaining. (wc barbs cast 50 mana cost wcs at 9 frames)

Because some people here are trying say that if you and your friends don't duel each other the exact same way they do in their high and mighty gosu and honorable dueling leagues then you are low down bm bastards when it's clearly none of their business how you wanna duel each other. I'm not saying this because I can't kill a fallen without using 109421048201 mana pots. The only char I ever use more than 0 mana pot per kill on is my friend's nec who only has 500 mana.(bad build) I"m just saying if I don't mind someone else using mana pots agaisnt me and he doens't care if I use mana pots against him how can you call us bm duelers? I never used mana pots on my sorcs and druid because i used mana life gcs and lcs and did I complain when top necs such as eternalspirit and xe-crisis used mana pots agaisnt me? no never.
If you can't deal with people using mana pots in pub games then dont' pub that's what private games and dueling leagues are for. People in pubs have always been cheap and always will be and there's absolutely nothing wrong with using whatever method other than cheating that can help you win in a public pk game where anything goes.

If you think you are too 1337 and honorable to pub that's fine but it's none of your business how other people wanna duel each other so keep your preaching to yourself. Why don't you focus your attention on people like rainofchaos who go around telling people to use every hack they can get their hands on.

[Ethereal.Grizzly]

Because some people here are trying say that if you and your friends don't duel each other the exact same way they do in their high and mighty gosu and honorable leagues then you are low down bm bastards when it's clearly none of their business how you wanna duel each other. I'm not saying this because I can't kill a fallen without using 109421048201 mana pots. The only char I ever use more than 0 mana pot per kill on is my friend's nec who only has 500 mana.(bad build) I"m just saying if I don't mind someone else using mana pots agaisnt me and he doens't care if I use mana pots against him how can you call us bm duelers?
exactly my point. if no one cares then let it be :P

[Herald of Doom]

Wow, I've just noticed that both Mehatesmaphack and Garbad are saying the same thing, in different words. Let's see:

1. mana potting is fine both parties agree it is fine. Makes sense to me.
2.in a pubby game, anything goes. Mehatesmaphack believes it's true, and so does Garbad, although he says it's BM while Mehatesmaphack doesn't. I call that having a personal opinion. And be honest, neither of you will change your opinion, no matter what the other one says :p
3.In private duelling circles it depends on the rules. Apparently, some duel ligas allow manapots, while most don't. This is just another example of nr1.

Then there are the accusations of being stubborn, cocky, etc etc, which have nothing to do with the inital argument and don't really contribute anything.

PS: dthseeker, yeah Mehatesmaphack is very convinced that he's right. But really, so is Garbad. On top of that they both have very good chars, so I'd say they're both guilty in that department :lol:

HoD

[RainofChaos220]

Since when? Why? OH WAIT! It's because using dual stat mana leech rings would be weaker than using this angelics! Or wait, how about because I run out of mana because I spam so many spirits without hitting anything? You may as well use health potions for your lack of leech too. Mana pots are bm if both parties don't agree to use them.p/quote]

As said before: Pub Anything goes.. even full rejuvs if I feel like it, no problem
Private: Obviously Both Parties will use mana pots if allowed so what is the point of your post anyway?

[quote]Or maybe it's because you need the hacked items to win? I mean, don't you support mana pots? Why don't you gulp those down? That's excuse up there doesn't fly with me, or anyone else for that matter.

No, because if one can afford a few bugged charms to boost mana I wouldn't see a problem with it, especially in a place like public PKPK game. Ever played in 1.09? If you did you knew how it was in pubs...15-70's are just a convinience I don't get why people get so worked up about them.

"Mana pots are ok to use." "But I need these hacked charms that grant me extra mana." What for? "..."

Explained Already. So I don't have to akara every minute. I usually keep Thawing/Antidote/Rejuv/Scrolls in stash depending on overall "manner" of the duel.

[dthseeker]

dth 2 things.. no offense on either.
1. mhmh is not the "Best" but he is pretty damn well known for his skills and characters.
2. i dont think your a regular here at the pvp forum but just know that this is how it always is. the pvp forum is known for its heated arguements so dont get too irratated when you see people discussing matters like this. ( mhmh and garb)

since I can't really see what MHMH posts I'll just answer this one

If you look at the top 4 threads I've posted in all of them. I guess since I don't reply to every single comment or view made like some people :uhhuh: I don't qualify as a pvpforum regular. Hell I even have a thread up right now first page.

Why I blamed MHMH is because I have been around these forums, longer than both of you, and I've seen how MHMH posts, and its mostly off his arrogancy.

I'll repeat this again. You want to be good for the respect and the glory. If your good but you criticize others than you have no respect.

If I need to kill some of you in pvp to be known as good thats fine, this game doesn't take uber skill or anything, and my items should prove suffice. (4 dueling chars, all loaded with gc's with life, elemental's gc's are all 28+ life).

Edit: the reason why I can't post nonstop in this thread is because I regularly post across many forums.

[Rauth]

I don't think I have Ever started a thread that wasn't a trade thread :(


Ethreal_grizzly isn't as new as he looks. He just started a new account to look cooler ;)

I won't say anything about chris. :)

[Mehatesmaphack]

since I can't really see what MHMH posts I'll just answer this one

If you look at the top 4 threads I've posted in all of them. I guess since I don't reply to every single comment or view made like some people :uhhuh: I don't qualify as a pvpforum regular. Hell I even have a thread up right now first page.

Why I blamed MHMH is because I have been around these forums, longer than both of you, and I've seen how MHMH posts, and its mostly off his arrogancy.

I'll repeat this again. You want to be good for the respect and the glory. If your good but you criticize others than you have no respect.

If I need to kill some of you in pvp to be known as good thats fine, this game doesn't take uber skill or anything, and my items should prove suffice. (4 dueling chars, all loaded with gc's with life, elemental's gc's are all 28+ life).

Edit: the reason why I can't post nonstop in this thread is because I regularly post across many forums.

:lol: Unlike you and some people on this forum I don't take actual pride in beating people in d2. I just like to make fun of little arrogant idiots like you. I have been making fun of rainofchaos in the last couple of threads is he has been telling everyone to use hacks. The reason you can't stand my posts is because your humongous ego about a simple online rpg makes you unstable to stand hearing people brag or oppose your opinions. I'm sorry I never cared enough to act hypocritically and fake modesty to win respect from 5 year old egomaniacs like you. I think the reason your so mad at me is cuz etheral grizzly and some others said I was good which I couldn't care less about, on the other hand you havent' gotten any praises. so cry more plz it just entertains me that someone's actually stupid enough to get jealous of people get occasional compliments from people on a bulletin board.

[dthseeker]

MHMH if you replied to me I can't see it, all it says is your message is blocked, oh well :/


I'm qutting d2, If any of you play NL USWEST go to the trading forums and guess a number, you can win my entire account

[Rauth]

Aww dth. I was looking forward to dueling you sometime after leveling those chars. :(

[dthseeker]

you can duel the new dth if you want :)

he'll probably not know how to play but oh well

peace out everyone


Edit: I love ignore function, took off my ignore function to see what you were saying MHMH, it was way too long for me to care and read, but I'm sure it was well thought out and nicely put.

[Mehatesmaphack]

Aww dth. I was looking forward to dueling you sometime after leveling those chars. :(

lol is dth a friend of urs? Did I take his gold or kill him too many times or something? obviously this guy has a grudge against me that's not related to a few posts that have nothing to do with him in the first place. He must think he's really shrewd and pissing me off by saying he blocked me but it's pretty obvious he's a sad little kid who cant' stop crying about a game. ( probably why he quit)It's not exactly uncommon for losers on bnet to whisper non stop with cuss words and racial remarks then turn dnd on saying "i can't hear you!! ggnoobpwntthxbai".

[dthseeker]

1) I don't have a necro, I've neve even dueled rauth
2) I've never dueled you
3) On my dueling chars (I have 4) I have 10 gc's with at least 20 life or some other useful mods (+5 str 12%fhr etc etc), you can ask asg or dragoon or mrpipes if you doubt my abilities
4) I have no grudge against you from in game cause I've never met you
5) The grudge is from you being arrogant. But I've come to realize thats not going to be my problem in the future.
6) I could really care less about what you think about me, but I would not automatically assume that I am that nooblet you meet every other day.

Right now you are not any better than me and I am not any better than you, because we have not dueled each other. Do not automatically assume that you can beat me just because you are good. D2 does not take much skill, and I have plenty of very good items on my chars to give you a matchup.

Edit: At least I follow the rules and don't flame, I am not a poor little kid, in fact I'm on my way to being a pro athlete (triathlon)

I am not crying about a game, my comments are on equal leve as yours are. however you should take into account that your accusations are very provoking. Saying things such as "cry" and calling people "kids" are not mature and will not lead to healthy discussions for YOU. These myriad of pretenses are not going to help you.

[Mehatesmaphack]

Roflmao!! Didn't you block me? now you are really cracking me up. I knew you probably didn't really block me or whatever,or if there was even such a feature, but I didn't expect you to make a fool out of yourself right away. and obviously you do care enough to reply to my last post which even I consider pointless babbling. oh and you know why I said i probalby killed you a lot and made you cry? :lol: I was pretty sure that you would say something to protect your reputation because of you huge ego.

I don't know if i'm better than you nor do I care if i'm better than you. It means absolutely nothing and it's hard to define. The reason you can't stand my posts is you can't stand the thought of someone being better than you at a non-competitive online rpg which shouldn't mean anything to anyone. Anyone that's known me for a while knows i've championed the belief that d2 is not so much about skill as a lot of people would like to think it is. There are just too many factors that affect the gameplay, such as items, connection,lucky,hacks,etc. The reason i listed facts such as me beating top necs 20-0( you can ask them for confirmation) was to prove points such as windy > bone nec. The only reason certain people can't stand hearing these facts is because they can't standing hearing someone being better than them at meaningless things. I never thought it as a brag worthy acomplishment anyway. You can't stand a couple of posts on a bulletin boards because of your own huge ego.
Now dont' give me that "omg you think you are so great cuz you can beat peopel in d2. I'm good at sports you ****ing nerb" crap." There are things i'm actually good at that mean something and d2 isn't one of them.

you are a little cry baby which is why I assumed you got mad at for for taking ur gold or killing you a few times which might have happened in pubs anyway.

[dthseeker]

I deblocked you to see what you wanted to say.

There is a such feature as blocking and ignoring...

I would not recommend breaking rules in your arguments, flaming doesn't go well with the mods.

But obviously you are superior to me, I cannot win arguing, in d2, in life. I bow to your superiority. Continue pwning those noobs in d2 man. Hope it takes you really far.

I worship your godliness
:worship:

I am a little cry baby.

Hope you are fully satisfied.

Carpe Diem,
-dthseeker

[Mehatesmaphack]

I deblocked you to see what you wanted to say.

There is a such feature as blocking and ignoring...

I would not recommend breaking rules in your arguments, flaming doesn't go well with the mods.

But obviously you are superior to me, I cannot win arguing, in d2, in life. I bow to your superiority. Continue pwning those noobs in d2 man. Hope it takes you really far.

I worship your godliness
:worship:

I am a little cry baby.

Hope you are fully satisfied.

Carpe Diem,
-dthseeker

lmao unlike you I don't have a problem with newbies. It's not crime not to spend a crap load of time playing d2. You arguments just keep getting lamer. When did I ever claim to be superior to you or anyone else? It's quite obvious you are just jealous because i got a few compliments about a game from a few people on the forum which shouldn't mean anything to anyone. I don't even give a damn about being good or bad at d2.why do you care so much ?Mr. "I'm a big strong well hung stud".

[dkay]

chris stop flaming damnit. :O

[Mehatesmaphack]

chris stop flaming damnit. :O

I'm just having at laugh at his arrogance,hyopcrisy and stupidity.Besides he flamed me for no reason other than his own huge ego which he has trouble addmitting.

[dthseeker]

I never said I was good, I'm simply defending myself from when you called me a little kid that probably had nothing in his life to do, and I mention that once. If you want to think of me as a stud that's okay your entitled to your own opinion.

look, i'm putting up the white flag, my last post was not an argument, was a resignition, you are superior to me

you are very poor at recognizing human patterns (also in psychology class) but I am not jealous or angry. in fact I just think of this as an intellectual debate.

you would know i am not jealous by me saying that you are superior to me, and you should know that i am not angry because i am not using obscene language or flaming.

you are superior to me, this is my white flag, i give up, you are better than me, i am a cry baby

carpe diem
-dthseeker

Edit: my upmost and sincere apolgies for asking why you were arrogant. You are not, you are one of the most mature and most respectful men I have ever met. No sarcasm, no anything. Straigth truth. Thank you for taking time to talk to me.

[dkay]

well enjoy itwhile it lasts :) hes leavin soon

[dthseeker]

edit: nvm 10 chars

[Mehatesmaphack]

I never said I was good, I'm simply defending myself from when you called me a little kid that probably had nothing in his life to do, and I mention that once. If you want to think of me as a stud that's okay your entitled to your own opinion.

look, i'm putting up the white flag, my last post was not an argument, was a resignition, you are superior to me

you are very poor at recognizing human patterns (also in psychology class) but I am not jealous or angry. in fact I just think of this as an intellectual debate.

you would know i am not jealous by me saying that you are superior to me, and you should know that i am not angry because i am not using obscene language or flaming.

you are superior to me, this is my white flag, i give up, you are better than me, i am a cry baby

carpe diem
-dthseeker

when did I say you were a little kid with nothing to do with his life? d2 is a kiddy game and I probably play it more than you. Anyone who's not a kid or at least a kid by heart shouldn't be playing it in the first place.

When did I say i was superior to you? when I assumed that I probalby killed and took your gold in a pub game to make you reply? Killing someone in d2 and taking their gold means superioty? wow maybe that's how you think but I don't think i'm that stupid.

The best you can do in an "intellectual debate" is putting words into my mouth in an attempt to make me look really arrogant.

I argue for the sake of arguing yes It's sort of a debate when the opponent is moderately intelligent. You are the one who started crying about arrogance when I argued against Garbad in this thread, the pvp forum is a place meant for debates anyway. and You should stop commenting on people's sexuality when you have no idea who they are.

[dthseeker]

when did I say you were a little kid with nothing to do with his life? d2 is a kiddy game and I probably play it more than you. Anyone who's not a kid or at least a kid by heart shouldn't be playing it in the first place.

When did I say i was superior to you? when I assumed that I probalby killed and took your gold in a pub game to make you reply? Killing someone in d2 and taking their gold means superioty? wow maybe that's how you think but I don't think i'm that stupid.

The best you can do in an "intellectual debate" is putting words into my mouth in an attempt to make me look really arrogant.

I argue for the sake of arguing yes It's sort of a debate when the opponent is moderately intelligent.

tell me this, exactly how can I end this.

I've already put up 2 resignition posts and you have not accepted despite arguing with me.

I will not say too much because I do not want to spark more debates with you.

-dthseeker

[Mehatesmaphack]

tell me this, exactly how can I end this.

I've already put up 2 resignition posts and you have not accepted despite arguing with me.

I will not say too much because I do not want to spark more debates with you.

-dthseeker

Lol it's only a bulletin board you would have stopped posting if you wanted to. It's not like i'm forcing you to "debate" with me when All you've been doing in your posts is putting words in my mouth and saying "omg you are a superior being, I bow to thy uba 1337 pwnjooness." which is really lame.

Apparently you hate my guts for making fun of your little hacker clan Ai. Get over it. If you don't like it ,stop cheating on a computer game and trying to make yourself look leet with hacks.

[dthseeker]

i am very lame then.

i would of liked to end this peacefully.

oh well
-dthseeker

Edit: I am not part of clan ai... I have never supported clan ai

[Mehatesmaphack]

i am very lame then.

i would of liked to end this peacefully.

oh well
-dthseeker

Edit: I am not part of clan ai...

Well try not to cheat on games and act hypocrtically then deny it. ( I clearly remember you defending Ai's hacking ways, I know you are or at least used to be in league with them)

Have a good life without d2 holding you back.

[Xircon]

well enjoy itwhile it lasts :) hes leavin soon

Not taking the time to read the rest of this thread tonight. I consider flaming and trolling equal weight. If people cannot acess there accounts soon, you will understand why.