WW barbs and mana management

[Neurofuzzy]

I have seen some WW guides lattely and also many people saying it would be the best (or even the only) good barb PvP build around. But I also noticed that, due to low leech in PvP, you get very quickly out of mana in duels. If you are not able to kill your opponent in a few WWs, you must drink a blue potion or get out quickly! I might have failed to read the suggested strategy to counter that on the existing guides, but what is the procedure here? Is taking a blue not considered "poting" in duels ? :drink:

[Halciet]

If you're not chugging pots, the only way to keep your mana up in duels is with Damage Goes to Mana mods on gear. Enigma gives you a tab bit, and you can also socket ith runes into gear as well.

-Hal

[Neurofuzzy]

If you're not chugging pots, the only way to keep your mana up in duels is with Damage Goes to Mana mods on gear. Enigma gives you a tab bit, and you can also socket ith runes into gear as well.

-Hal

Well, I use Botd, Enigma, SS+um and Arreats+Ed/ias, so I have no place left for an ith. In my (limited) experience in duels, "damage goes to mana" does not seem to be enough. It seems blue pots are the only way...

[Shanksie1337]

angelics :D

[mstrnicegui]

here's a post on Damage To Mana (http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=238739) testing that was done by rikstaker. A nice in-depth look at this mod.

[Halciet]

I forgot to note the angelic DtM, thanks Shanks ;)

It actually works fairly well. As a side note though, why the ed/ias in your arreat's for a whirler? Using that to boost your conc/berserk speeds?

-Hal

[Shanksie1337]

nps Hal, you, riks et al have taught me all i know in this pleasant place we humbly call the the barb forum.

:D

drunk btw :)

[Neurofuzzy]

here's a post on Damage To Mana (http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=238739) testing that was done by rikstaker. A nice in-depth look at this mod.

Interesting, but the tests described there were made in PvM, if I understood it right. I actually never had mana problems in PvM (it seems I can WW forever in most places). But in PvP seems to be different... I have made some BvB duels and everyone was switching to conc after a few WWs (not just me). That's when IAS was usefull.

[mstrnicegui]

in bvb it's much harder, cause dmg to mana only works when you're taking dmg. vs casters, it's much more effective, since with each hit you're taking dmg, if even only a little.

[rikstaker]

The rules are same for pvp..

All physical & magical attacks get converted,in addition all elemental attacks except for area effect spells(blizzard,fireball etc) & timed damage(firewall etc..) get converted to mana.

But in pvp,the idea is to avoid getting hit in the first place & moreover the big spells (blizzard,fireball) dont work, that removes most of the sorc builds out of the application,hammers & bone spells work but they hurt real bad as well,anticipating hits against them is a bad "ideal".So you are better of using something like wizspike against sorcs & generally using mana conservatively,dont just tele-whirl like crazy,wait for the right moment.

In BVB due to the high defense,max block & dr,the use is marginalised,when hit(which doesnt happen often) you net mana for around 3 whirls roughly with the conversion from angelics.

Blue pots are allowed in some dueling circles(mostly bvb)..you can of course stack dtm with ith runes like hal said, for a better conversion.

edit:forgot to make z point..My point is,you can stack all the dtm you need,but its only going to work against certain characters,you'll get returns with physical,magical attacks,..but when you go up against other casters mainly sorcs,you'd miss that um rune/any resist thingy.

Actually.. ith does seems better than ed jewel against max dr characters(I havent done the numbers yet)..But I know with the 1/6th pvp reduction & max dr the 60% ed of rends accounted for a mere 19 more final dmg,in comparison ith 15% does seem attractive,almost doubling the conversion rate from 20-35% in bvb with angelics & 15-30% against casters with enigma.

Rik :strong:

[Dahmer]

angelics + enigma is enough for me (if i get hit) & that could be a problem sometimes, when you're fighting lower lvl barbs that dont think its good to use angelic then i run out of mana kinda real fast :(

but i'm gonna have to agree with rik :) ith is better socketing than plain ed but my stuff is socketed with ed/dex or ed/str :p

1 ith + angelic + enigma should be more than enough to get enough mana to whirl again & again :p

[rikstaker]

angelics + enigma is enough for me (if i get hit) & that could be a problem sometimes, when you're fighting lower lvl barbs that dont think its good to use angelic then i run out of mana kinda real fast :(

1 ith + angelic + enigma should be more than enough to get enough mana to whirl again & again


thanx for the input Dahmer..I am a happy man..well its a long story.

Rik :strong:
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hows my new tar for winter everyone? cool no? :thanks:

[Sword & Shield]

No wonder i get more mana when i get ww'd in BvB duels... I thought the DtM mode was that; it took the damage away from your mana instead of life.

[insane_knights]

When going bvb you shouldn't be spamming ww that much easier. You should only ww when you predict the spot where hes going to stop. Hitting a ww barb is much harder than one just standing still or running around. When he is about to stop ww toward him. Sometimes u gotta use concentrate also during bvb. Concentrate gives u a good opp to regian mana and not get hurt. i find enig and angeli is usually good enough. If not enough get life/mana scs.

[Dahmer]

thanx for the input Dahmer..I am a happy man..well its a long story.

Rik :strong:
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hows my new tar for winter everyone? cool no? :thanks::scratch:
r u being sarcastic & dont like it when ppl give +/- the same answer as u? :p or what?

sry if i misunderstood u, had a bad night

[rikstaker]

@Dahmer.Sigh...nothing sarcastic...I liked it when you shared your exp with dtm,Its just that once while I was preeching that mod,somebody torched me..wonder where they disappear now.I am just glad I am not the only one.

Bad nights...all bachelors have bad nights :love:

I guess its time I give up sarcasm,make a thread & in it promise never to be sarcastic,its killing me :hanky:

Rik :strong:

[rikstaker]

Just for clarification..What I meant with 'Its time I give up sarcasm" is that I have come to a point with my nutty sarcasm that its difficult to tell for anyone,whether I am sarcastic/serious with some of my statements,sometimes when I am not it is taken as sarcasm like in this case,sometimes when I am sarcastic,it is taken seriously.I never used sarcasm in this thread.

Rik :strong:

[mstrnicegui]

I gave up sarcasm over text a long time ago, since I always felt the need to point it out with the </sarcasm> tag as people weren't getting it otherwise. It's a shame since sarcasm is such a large part of my personality. That's the way the cookie crumbles though.

[rikstaker]

Gui..I'll just follow you.Its a pain.People are just to wary,though it really makes things interesting,I see this forum dying out slowly without srcasm/humor & all that lite stuff.

Rik :strong:

[Mehatesmaphack]

You can try dual wielding with and axe + wiz spikes or dual wiz spikes against certain opponents. use 2 fcr rings with a lot of + mana, or life mana scs.Also, try to conserve your mana,use teleport only when you need to and when you ww make sure it has a good chance of hitting your opponent. My barb has 600 something mana and I rarely need to mana pot.