View Full Version : what PvP char to make
prospectz
30-10-2004, 21:16
im bored of my kick sin she kills all caster ez in stuff and im just bored of her so i want to make a second dueler.
i have plenty of stuff to get whatever, so what char is the most fun to duel with.
i was thinking of making a bone nec but im not sure, they prolly get boring to play with.
BadLikeMe
30-10-2004, 21:50
Nah, you'll get bored with bone necs to jsut because they can kill everything so easily..
Make a Barb! With a barb, you can still kill everything, but it takes skill (not that bone necs don't take skill, but c'mon, how many bone necs do you see in pubbys that can kill everything?)
Yeah, so make a barb, and ideal setup would be to have an ebotd zerker/ss and have a beast zerker in your stash for dueling casters.
..i'll start talking about setups when you make your choice :P
If you own everyone with a kicksin, no other build is going to give you a decent challenge ;)
Now, that said, I would challenge you to win even once vs a good windy(a caster) with a kicksin. West ladder Or nonladder and I will show you why personally :)
Barbs are fun. I would make one myself if I could telewhirl at all. :(
dthseeker
30-10-2004, 23:04
some pally hybrid builds take skill and are fun and have decent matchups against all classes
v/t
liberator
mage
are the 3 common hybrids that are extremely effective
Neurofuzzy
30-10-2004, 23:56
im bored of my kick sin she kills all caster ez in stuff and im just bored of her so i want to make a second dueler.
i have plenty of stuff to get whatever, so what char is the most fun to duel with.
i was thinking of making a bone nec but im not sure, they prolly get boring to play with.
If by saying "boring" you mean your present char is not a challange (too easy to win), than I would suggest you to make a barb! A good PvP barb requires a lot of investment both in equipment and duel tactics. He can win, but its a real challange! On the other hand, if you simply want to "own" everyone without a big effort, you already got there. :howdy:
prospectz
31-10-2004, 04:04
i mean im bored of playing with her, and ele druids are really easy whoever said i cant beat a good one ive beaten plenty, necros are the only hard casters to beat with a kicker. Melee chars are hard with a kicker, i just got bored of playing with her.
Phyrexial
31-10-2004, 04:16
What realm are you on? If you are on West, I'd like to see you try to get a kill on Rauth if he's even half as good as I think he is.
If you are on East NL, I'll challenge you to beat my necro consistently. If you won't face my necro for above reasons, I'm sure I can ask my friends to duel you with their Windy and Hammerdins. I doubt you'll win even half the time if any at all.
Realm? account? I play west ladder and nonladder and would love to show you a real ele druid. If you don't play either of those, then I'll just say that the ele druids where you duel must Really suck. That or you are the most incredibly godly skilled player bnet has ever seen. ;)
insane_knights
31-10-2004, 04:48
Hey guys dont bash him cuase he owns pub trash. Im sure any decently skilled person could own a pub even with a weak char. When she says she beaten good ele druids she probably meant rich. Cause thats how most pub duelers consider good :grrr: We all know here that our crappy itemed skill chars could beat those rich people 95% of the time. Im sure shes never met some1 with you skill lvl rauth :thumbsup:
prospectz
31-10-2004, 05:51
Dont associate diablo2 with skill, its hardly a skill game sorry to dissappoint you. It doesnt take a genius to make a char with the right stats nor to teleport and leave spells behind you so ppl run into them.
play and fps or rts if you want a game that takes skill.
i also had the best sorc in reg d2 east and the best zon pre 1.10 lod. Ive played ladders,tourneys and leagues the only thing that is different is the rules. In pre 1.10 it use to be the builds too because most pubbies werent smart enough to make chars right but now its only the rules and the fact that all tards can tele now. I hope I didnt hurt your feelings LoL
i had a good sorc in d1 with the good ol 1 hit kill hack too.
Notice he doesn't leave account or realm.
I never said the game took skill. Just saying, it is almost literally impossible to kill a windy with a kicker assuming the windy is actually trying and has some basic d2 knowledge and decent gear.
Ugh. More whining about 1.10. You would think after a year or more people would stop crying so much about it.
Btw, My feelings Are hurt :(
One thing I regret not doing before I pretty much stopped playing is not building a WW/Sin...I've only now thought of how awesome it would be :lol: . Then again it'd take some pretty expensive gear...*Starts dreams of the most godly Hybrid Claw possible*
Phyrexial
01-11-2004, 02:36
Your kicker or any kicker for that matter won't kill even a half decent Windy or Hammerdin and I'd like to prove that to you after your rather bold statement "kick sin she kills all caster ez." You already stated that necros can be hard, and I can assure you that mine will kill your kicker with relative ease even with its poor man's gear.
Please tell us what realm you are on and your account name, I'm sure we can find someone on your realm to duel you unless you've got more excuses.
insane_knights
01-11-2004, 02:42
UR d1 char cant beat my char with god mode. Yay i win.
Ethereal.Grizzly
01-11-2004, 04:14
i highly doubt your kicker will beat an even decent hammer/windy/necro.
if your on west nl we will be glad to prove you wrong :)
I already have dibs on west david!
Ethereal.Grizzly
01-11-2004, 05:11
meh.. fine :T
my soon to be lib needs ar/life charms anyways (it would be embarassing pking with nothing in the inventory :lol: )
rauth im up 15 runes :D
OMGLOLKKTHX
01-11-2004, 05:21
rauth kill a kicksin! nahhh
windys are ww barbs on crack.
Ethereal.Grizzly
01-11-2004, 05:42
windies are creators... they create mini barbarians and hurl them at their opponents.... each doing about 5.5k damage :o with one giant barbarian that does cold damage and follows the windy
If windys are ww barbs on crack, then bvc barbs are windys on crack. :(
Only thing a windy does better than a bvc barb is kill necros, since they can't be affected by IM+bone wall spam.
I had a guy yesterday say windys are the cheapest char to duel. He was a bone nec. I just said, look, you have much more range than me, your attacks move faster, you absorb my damage, you teleport faster(even more so since I'm usin dialup), your damage is irresistable, AND you use a bugged synergy that gives you even more damage. What more do you want?!? ;)
Ethereal.Grizzly
02-11-2004, 05:52
funny how on paper some characters seem like it can own any class but when you actually duel you see that you have failed at yet another attempt to make a nice pvp char. you know that necro was prolly spending a couple hours planning on how his guy will be. :P gj rauth u jerk.. why to downsize someone's ego T_T
btw are u voteanggggg?
Not 18 till january :(
You missed this one guy earlier today. He used a bvc barb vs me, healing several times in the same duel off monsters and a well. Still died because of low life/low dr/crappy aim. He said " Lol newb brb your owned." He comes back with a light sorc. I start spaming some nados and he teles right on them and dies. "omfg newb." He trys killing me 3 more times with his light sorc dieing in seconds each time. "omg newb just wait" x3. After the third time he trys attacking me before he bos, and then crys about me not letting him bo when I kill him again. "wtf newb let me bo. you cant win without cheating wtf. you lose newb." + leaves game.
Been awhile since I've seen a guy that wierd. :)
insane_knights
02-11-2004, 07:13
Lmao i luv it when they say ur dead and they bring in a class that has almost no chance. Lol a lite sorc agianst a windy. Lmao. Rauth did he also complain about lag and massive (fake) dscync. He probably also said hold after the first fight and went back to stash to pretend to change his gear. He probably didn't change his gear and was just looking for an excuse for him loseing the first duel. Gj for owning him :worship:
I'll give him credit for not claiming lag(no one but me can claim that!!). All he did was yell "NEWB" after every loss like I did something bm by killing him. Yes, when you stand still shooting lightning at a windy you are going to die. Its not like he had no chance. Good light sorcs beat me with little trouble since they are so much faster than me. Fortunately these are few and far between :). Only met 1 who could beat me just about every time, and a few who could go 50/50 with me.
*cough* I can complain about lag too.
Anyway, to whomever said d2 requires no skill and go play an FPS if you want a skill game, I call BS. We're talking about basic hand-eye coordination here, there are plenty of successful builds in D2 PVP that require just as much hand eye coordination and the same mousing/keyboard skills and decision making skills as ANY FPS. Take a WW barb for instance, you must get on top of your opponent consistently to win, and decent opponents don't just stand still waiting for you. If you've only ever played spray and pray builds like hammerdins, fire sorcs, cold sorcs, trappers, FOHers and the like, then no wonder you feel that way. Don't categorise the game in a particular way due to your overall inexperience with the game's variations.
I play FPS games too, and I'm pretty damn good at them (64 kills in DOD w/o dying, beat that) and playing a WW bvc barb versus necros and sorcs requires the same kind of skills and poses the same kind of difficulty.
Mehatesmaphack
02-11-2004, 21:19
*cough* I can complain about lag too.
I play FPS games too, and I'm pretty damn good at them (64 kills in DOD w/o dying, beat that) and playing a WW bvc barb versus necros and sorcs requires the same kind of skills and poses the same kind of difficulty.
64 kills in a row with dial up?
talking about skill If you know my main account name and have played age of empires 2 or the expansion you should probably know that I was at least top 3 if not the very very best in that game with every civilization and no I didn't play it 24/7 more liek 2/6. and I still think d2 takes some skill.it's nothing worth bragging about though.
Mehatesmaphack
02-11-2004, 21:22
I'll give him credit for not claiming lag(no one but me can claim that!!). All he did was yell "NEWB" after every loss like I did something bm by killing him. Yes, when you stand still shooting lightning at a windy you are going to die. Its not like he had no chance. Good light sorcs beat me with little trouble since they are so much faster than me. Fortunately these are few and far between :). Only met 1 who could beat me just about every time, and a few who could go 50/50 with me.
Is my friend the light sorc who beats you about every time? lol I bet I can do better, I have access to his sorc.
No I used to play DOD when I lived in an apartment w/ cable. I havn't played an FPS online for almost 3 years :(
I think "skill" and strategy is being confused. I attribute skill to physical manipulation, i.e., input -- mouse and keyboard. Strategy is an entirely different facet. These are just weighted differently in different games. An FPS is probably more dependent on hand-eye, mouse+kb skill than strategy (though in some modes of play like massive capture the flag/team play games, a sound strategy might beat out a team of mindless but well aiming players.) A real-time strat game like starcraft and AOE is clearly more heavily dependent on strategy. Under certain circumstances (BVB, ZVZ for instance) D2 is all about strategy in the specific build and equipment usage. In other scenarios (NvN, BvN) mouse/kb skills come to the fore in the same way that they do in a FPS. I think that's why D2 is such a broadly popular game, it has elements of planning and strategy that can be isolated by playing the game a particular way, and it has arcade elements where a users skill is paramount when the game is played in other ways
too, and anywhere in between for that matter.
insane_knights
02-11-2004, 22:48
lol i suck at dod i always kill myself with my own nades. But back when i play tfc i once with 10 hp ran down the stair conced 2 hw guys, grabbed flag used second conc to conc 2 soldiers and a pyro and then use my last conc and captured the flag. I heard alot of wtfs
Man sc was such a good game. Definitely the most balanced RTS ever.
Is my friend the light sorc who beats you about every time? lol I bet I can do better, I have access to his sorc.
Absolute-somethin ya. Two things though.
1. He only dueled me like 3 times in a lagish game. Edit: with you teleporting around using the same damn name. :(
2. How could you do better than winning every time?:)
I'll duel any char of yours if you use dialup. ;)
RainofChaos220
03-11-2004, 03:34
I'd have to disagree that lit sorc is weak vs druid. I've seen some good lit sorcs bust their cyclone and kill the druid, all in 1 hit. Unless the druid is wearing mass absorb winning against good lightning sorc is HARD.
insane_knights
03-11-2004, 05:59
The druids must have been pretty bad. Probably low lite resist and low hp. Maybe the lite sorc also got extremly lucky hitting max dmg.
It can't kill you in one hit past cyclone unless you don't have stacked res. I have 50+ stacked fire and light on mine to make up -res.
Met another good light sorc today. Was like 5 him, 2 me. Just can't tele fast enough to avoid the zap most of the time. Him tanking 6+nados with ES doesn't help either. :(
Mehatesmaphack
03-11-2004, 18:53
Absolute-somethin ya. Two things though.
1. He only dueled me like 3 times in a lagish game. Edit: with you teleporting around using the same damn name. :(
2. How could you do better than winning every time?:)
I'll duel any char of yours if you use dialup. ;)
sure. I bet you are dying to prove that you are just as good as anyone on dial up.( beating an aggressive necro in a dial-up duel doesn't mean you can beat him in a cable duel.Defensive wind druids do way better than aggressive sorcs and necs and tele whirlers on dial-up.) It's not like i haven't dueled on dial up before, I've played fps and rts on dial up and still owned. it's not that hard. But it's pretty obvious that I can't non stop chase and tele lock people nearly as well when i have 800+ ping. It's not hard to get good at this game with decent connection but It doesn't automatically make you God with cable/dsl just because you can kill people on dial-up. A lot of people have claimed to be able to own me and others if/when they got cable/dsl but still got owned when they did get cable or dsl.Just get cable/dsl and get good at it instead of complaining about it all the time and trying to make assumptions of how good you would be on cable/dsl.
He dueled me like 3 times in a lagish game. Edit: with you teleporting around using the same damn name. :(
He beat you a lot more than just 3 times and still beat you when I was in town with each duel lasting 2-3 seconds. I'm pretty sure he can beat a non-mass res/absorb 56k windy nearly everytime If he's not lagging or sucking.
sure. I bet you are dying to prove that you are just as good as anyone on dial up.( beating an aggressive necro in a dial-up duel doesn't mean you can beat him in a cable duel.Defensive wind druids do way better than aggressive sorcs and necs and tele whirlers on dial-up.) It's not like i haven't dueled on dial up before, I've played fps and rts on dial up and still owned. it's not that hard. But it's pretty obvious that I can't non stop chase and tele lock people nearly as well when i have 800+ ping. It's not hard to get good at this game with decent connection but It doesn't automatically make you God with cable/dsl just because you can kill people on dial-up. A lot of people have claimed to be able to own me and others if/when they got cable/dsl but still got owned when they did get cable or dsl.Just get cable/dsl and get good at it instead of complaining about it all the time and trying to make assumptions of how good you would be on cable/dsl.
He dueled me like 3 times in a lagish game. Edit: with you teleporting around using the same damn name. :(
He beat you a lot more than just 3 times and still beat you when I was in town with each duel lasting 2-3 seconds. I'm pretty sure he can beat a non-mass res/absorb 56k windy nearly everytime If he's not lagging or sucking.
Jebus chris. Try to hold back the hate. OK here goes.
1. I Never said I would do better on cable did I? I said I would duel you on dialup. Bottom line is, a person dueling with dialup has a disadvantage. You always complain about having 1k ping in a laggy game when you duel on cable. I can't complain a little bit for having 1k ping All the time? Talking about it is pointless, just duel me on dialup. We'll have some fun(crazy I know). :)
2. I only remember 3 fair duels against light sorc where we weren't just messing around. He won all three. I was there too chris. :O I'm sure he would win 100:0 if we did that many but I probably wouldn't die in 3 seconds in a nonlaggy game.
3. I don't just beat Your necro sometimes chris. I kill defensive and offensive necs all the time. Again, not saying I win 100%, or even 50% against the best necs on west(90%ish against the average pub necro though ;)), but I do get kills on them and you have seen it.
4. Its like you're arguing with another person who said things I never said. Please quit infering things from what I say, since I usually say exactly what I mean unless being sarcastic. :(
Mehatesmaphack
03-11-2004, 22:08
Jebus chris. Try to hold back the hate. OK here goes.
1. I Never said I would do better on cable did I? I said I would duel you on dialup. Bottom line is, a person dueling with dialup has a disadvantage. You always complain about having 1k ping in a laggy game when you duel on cable. I can't complain a little bit for having 1k ping All the time? Talking about it is pointless, just duel me on dialup. We'll have some fun(crazy I know). :)
2. I only remember 3 fair duels against light sorc where we weren't just messing around. He won all three. I was there too chris. :O I'm sure he would win 100:0 if we did that many but I probably wouldn't die in 3 seconds in a nonlaggy game.
3. I don't just beat Your necro sometimes chris. I kill defensive and offensive necs all the time. Again, not saying I win 100%, or even 50% against the best necs on west(90%ish against the average pub necro though ;)), but I do get kills on them and you have seen it.
4. Its like you're arguing with another person who said things I never said. Please quit infering things from what I say, since I usually say exactly what I mean unless being sarcastic. :(
lol take it easy dude. I'm just trying to sound like a smart mind reader. Part of what I wanted to say was I canceled cable to help myself quit or stay away from d2 not that I stopped playing because I don't have cable.
I'm sure you'll do well on cable with windy but a lot of people assume they instantly know how to duel on cable just because they can duel on dial up it'll take a few hours to get used to.
Also, I whine about lag because lag makes people win or lose in a ******** way. In my own mind I still haven't won 1 real duel against you since your connection puts you at a huge advantage. So get cable so we can duel for real instead of trying to find out whose tele delay is longer. Dial up duels are just not exciting and too slow for me. Can't really play good offense when you have black screen for 5 seconds everytime you try to tele on someone.
Don't take anything I say that sounds mean seriously :lol:
Heh. So I'm undefeated! Hahahaha. erm..ya. When I get cable, I won't be using it for d2 :(
I have dueled on open with me hosting, which gives me ping of like 20, and god is it nice to actualy tele when I click the button. We could try it that way, but I would have to find another char editor. Lost my last one in a reformat. It would take a few hours to get the timing down since I'm used to the second long tele on bnet right now, but might be fun. 45 life ele gcs would be fun too :)
Probably going to quit this summer anyway when I move. Gonna have a giant giveaway. Not sure if I want to do it on forums, or just dish it out to friends.
luuuucifer
04-11-2004, 02:29
wow... controversy...
gogo 1v1 dueling! I'll ref...
And regarding the original poster, Mr. I'm bored of my uber kickasin:
I challenge your kickasin if she's on scl. I have 10 chars who wont lost to kickasins...
Damnit I already claimed all of west! Not to mention its pretty obvious by now that he was just a troll so we just ate his thread with OT. ;)
Give Me Your Items Rauth.
I Command You.
Haha. You're probably 10x richer than me. Go back to ebay!!! ;)
Mehatesmaphack
04-11-2004, 17:51
Haha. You're probably 10x richer than me. Go back to ebay!!! ;)
indeed, everything he has is either perfect or 1 percent off, and he has like 10 sets of rare fcr rings for stacking against all elements and those are worth 10 runes each.
Gross. Share the wealth plz.
Only things of mine that are pro, are my rings and shield jewel :(
Ethereal.Grizzly
07-11-2004, 03:32
if you quit i get dibs on rauthstorms gear ;)
not that your going to quit though.. (you better not )
Coughthissummercough. ;)
I'll have a contest or something for my rings and shield and maybe a few charms. Runes and other junk I'll just dish out to poorer friends.
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