hoto or death's fathom?

[Andy2702]

hey sup,

Was wondering which is better for a blizzard sorc....mid HOTO, or mid deaths fathom?? (i cna't afford any of these :cheesy: but i jsut wnat an idea)


Thanks a bunch!

Andy

[Pimpin Dream Girl]

Well if you're really short on fcr and resi, go with HOTO but I think Fathom is still better than HOTO no matter what...

[melianor]

Well if you're really short on fcr and resi, go with HOTO but I think Fathom is still better than HOTO no matter what...
I guess because of the massively added cold damage... that's what no matter what should mean?! :)

Cold damage is calculated as part of +xx% elemental damage masteries in the damage equation, meaning it is calculated seperatly from the synergies. Cold tree skills dont have masteries that add +xx% damage so adding those will multiply your damage even more.

[w.t.g]

I would use HOTO instead of fathom, HOTO simply looks a lot more better, fathom is just some stupid blue stick... But it's just what i think :lol:

[Asheron]

I think that Fathom is way sexier than Hoto just because you can have hoto on other chars unlike fathom and the cold damage is really tight.

[Fremen°]

mmm, cold faceted death's fathom...

has a nice ring to it:)

cold faceted death's fathom
cold faceted death's fathom
cold faceted death's fathom


mmm:) :lol:

[TheGreatDivorce]

I have a 40% HotO, it's sitting on a mule.
I have a 35%/-5% Fathom, it's sitting in my stash.
I have a Wizspike, which is dominating all opponents I face.

Wizspike > everything else for a Blizzard Sorceress. Nothing comes near it if you consider both the value of the item you are getting for 5 PGems (saving you mutiple high runes for your Cold Gcs' with life), and the overall effectiveness of a massive amount of mana, faster cast rate and overexaggerated resistances.

[pryzmatik2]

I like them all, hoto, fathom, wizspike, but i prefer fathom for the damage.

As for looks... wait... no... looks dont matter :uhhuh:

-pryz

[insane_knights]

I could never use wizspike even if it had +100 to all skills (well maybe then :uhhuh: ) I just think it looks too ugly.

[turnips]

I could never use wizspike even if it had +100 to all skills (well maybe then :uhhuh: ) I just think it looks too ugly.

play hardcore, sorcs look mean with it in the channels

[Ethereal.Grizzly]

i think wizspike is the most underated caster item in the game.. eveyrone chooses hoto over it but personally i think wizspike is the BEST for any char. i end up using it more than hoto/occy/fathom(i havent used it yet but i bet it'll sit in my stash)/eldrich/ etc. if it had even 1 to all skills it would be too cheap

[w.t.g]

i think wizspike is the most underated caster item in the game.. eveyrone chooses hoto over it but personally i think wizspike is the BEST for any char. i end up using it more than hoto/occy/fathom(i havent used it yet but i bet it'll sit in my stash)/eldrich/ etc. if it had even 1 to all skills it would be too cheap

HOTO is good if u get max resist with it, but that means u need other pretty nasty gear, but like i said, if u have max resist (and 105 PB) with hoto, there isn't good reason why not to use it

PS. i think hoto looks better, fathom looks good if u are wearing also nightwing:D

[Ethereal.Grizzly]

the blue orb + nightwing = hell yah sexy ^^

[bslapshot]

What are the mods of fathom and nightwing... never seen them before.

[melianor]

What are the mods of fathom and nightwing... never seen them before.
You know there is always http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/uniques.shtml to look that up.

Death's Fathom:
One-Hand Damage: 30 To 53 (41.5 Avg)
Required Level: 73
Durability: 50
Base Weapon Speed: [10]
(Sorceress Only)
+3 To Sorceress Skill Levels
+20% Faster Cast Rate
+15-30% To Cold Skill Damage (varies)
Lightning Resist +25-40% (varies)
Fire Resist +25-40% (varies)
(Ladder Only)
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.10 or later)

Nightwing's Veil:
Defense: 218.5-352 (Base Defense: 114-159)
Required Level: 67
Required Strength: 96
Durability: 40
+90-120% Enhanced Defense (varies)
+2 To All Skills
+8-15% To Cold Skill Damage (varies)
+10-20 To Dexterity (varies)
+5-9 Cold Absorb (varies)
Half Freeze Duration
Requirements -50%
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.10 or later)

[Andy2702]

:clap: :thumbsup: thnx all for the awesome replies,

was wondering, which is cheaper on usw/sc/nl....hoto or fathom....

also another quick question....would u all prefer shako>nightwings for a cold sorc, or a nightwing>shako??

thnx!!
Andy

[Lunatic]

I'm a big fan of wiz spike aswell. It's just such an awsome caster weapon. Really big mana boost + lots of resist + really nice FCR make it the nr.1 caster weapon. And the price is really cheap aswell.

[pryzmatik2]

I use a nightwing's over shako for the damage, but i switch off, the life and mana mod is very helpful.

Oh yea and i use shako for mf'ing :clap:

[TheGreatDivorce]

Nightwings' for style, power and PvP. Harly for ugliness, defense and PvM.

I'm not sure about NLW, but on NLE a low (20% or lower) Fathom would be more affordable then say a 40% HotO. And in this case, the HotO would be better. However if the Fathom was say 25% or greater then I spend a few more runes and get the Orb. Don't let me get started on Perfect Fathoms', it'd add about 4-6k more if I remember correctly to your attack then the HorO would and it also provides some Fire/Lightning resists and a decent faster cast rate. But alas, it'd cost you A LOT to get a perfect one, so if you want to use a good Fathom; go with a 29% one, it won't make any difference at all and it's less then half the price of a perfect one. Perfectionists' will pay upwards of 22 high runes or more for the perfect Shard (I would know since that's the current offer for mine on b.net) so if you do stumble upon one, you'll be able to retire early and layback and watch your Orb do some major ownage to the max.

...But overall, Wizardspike is still the best for versatilty and value for any caster... At the cost of maybe a few PGems, it owns a 2 dozen rune'd Fathom.

[Lunatic]

Nightwings' for style, power and PvP. Harly for ugliness, defense and PvM.

I'm not sure about NLW, but on NLE a low (20% or lower) Fathom would be more affordable then say a 40% HotO. And in this case, the HotO would be better. However if the Fathom was say 25% or greater then I spend a few more runes and get the Orb. Don't let me get started on Perfect Fathoms', it'd add about 4-6k more if I remember correctly to your attack then the HorO would and it also provides some Fire/Lightning resists and a decent faster cast rate. But alas, it'd cost you A LOT to get a perfect one, so if you want to use a good Fathom; go with a 29% one, it won't make any difference at all and it's less then half the price of a perfect one. Perfectionists' will pay upwards of 22 high runes or more for the perfect Shard (I would know since that's the current offer for mine on b.net) so if you do stumble upon one, you'll be able to retire early and layback and watch your Orb do some major ownage to the max.

...But overall, Wizardspike is still the best for versatilty and value for any caster... At the cost of maybe a few PGems, it owns a 2 dozen rune'd Fathom.
The 22 runes isn't europe I presume. :D Because the currency there is really alot and alot different. It's around 5 to 6 runes there.

[TheGreatDivorce]

I meant NLE as in Non Ladder East.

[zackul2]

Fathom - Heavy hitter, No. 1 choice for Bliz sorc, cant go wrong with dmg. Useless on other sorcs. ***Dmg: 10/10 (yes it lacks FCR, but you dont need FCR to cast BLiz) ***Def: 5/10 (though no resist all, but it gives 2 most useful resists, which are fire and lighting, never seen monsters cast cold in baal runs...) ***Reliability: 0/10 (no mana boost, but bliz sorcs dont need much mana, unless you pvp and tele alot)

Hoto- above medium hitter, leans more toward defensively, much cheaper than Fathom, best weapon that ALL SORCS can use. ***Dmg: 6.5/10 (+3 helps dmg alot) ***Def: 9/10 (40 res all, 10 dex, +20 life resplenish, Groovy, Spirit of Oak charges, boosts life tremendously, would give it 10 if res was a bit higher) ***Reliability: 3/10 (+15% max mana is nothing if you dont have the base mana to back it up)

Wizspike- NO! Not for Bliz sorc, although it is very good for almost all casters (i use it on my necro over Hoto and loving it) but NOT for bliz sorc. ***Dmg: 0/10 (yes 0, no +skill, FCR doesnt help you cast bliz faster, even in pvp, fcr can easily made up with other weapons, though if this is bonenecro, i give it 100/10 :yep: ) ***Def: 5/10 (Huge amount of resist, but pretty much it, res can easily be gained through sorc's gears, so not that important) ***Reliability: 3/10 (huge mana, and i mean HUGE, but whats the point of having so much mana when you cant use them? Again if this is Necro or FB sorc, 100000000/10!! BIG mana drinkers will love this)


Overall, i'd pick Fathom for BLIZ sorc, 30% dmg is ALOT, and i mean ALOT for a bliz sorc, around 2k dmg i think, not sure, not to mention your cold mastery reduces resit to -100 (depends), that makes it 4k!!
Use HOTO only if you lack resis, dont want to die and still want to dish out dmg. STAY AWAY from Wizspike, it's a great weapon, but just not for Bliz sorcs.

Btw off topic, dam it get a SS, use up a bit str and dex but so what? My sorc with max block can tank Hell minions of destruction in 8 player game, i like to see vita sorcs do that...

[Asheron]

Heh,nice commenting I just noticed something about the resist part though:

"Hoto- [...] would give it 10 if res was a bit higher "

"Wizspike- [...] Huge amount of resist, but pretty much it, res can easily be gained through sorc's gears, so not that important"


o_________O granted this may be considered as nitpicking but i thought i'd point that out. T.T

[GenXCub]

Just to answer an earlier question:

"which is cheaper on usw/sc/nl....hoto or fathom...."

I would have to assume that HotO is cheaper, simply because Death's Fathom is Ladder Only, so there's a finite number of them until the next ladder season unloads.