Godly sorc that claims to own us?!

[Death on Dark Wings]

If you've figured to browse through other forums, there're actually claims on the sorceress forum that a sorceress COMPLETELY OWNS a necromancer using FO/ES. Now I'm totally insulted and I am building my next necromancer to own those poor sorceresses. I need a lot of advice, help, strategizing and a couple of items to complete my collection. Please give any advice if possible, because it'd really make us look like losers if I got owned but some sorc

Objective: To build a Necromancer that OWNS a FO/ES based sorceress with max cold mastery, high magic dmg reduce and physical dmg reduce

Here's my CURRENT build:

Weapon: Perf Hoto
Shield: Homun socketed with +15res all///9 str
Armor: Enigma on light plate (looks nicer)
Belt: 119% ed arachnids (though DEF doesn't matter against a sorc)
Rings: Dual sojs
Boots: Marrowwalk with +2 skeleton mastery
Gloves: Wizardspike gloves
Amulet: 2nec/20 fcr/str/life/mana/regen mana amulet
Helm: Perf Shako (Chamed)
Switch: CTA/Lidless

That'd make 40 fcr from hoto + 20 fcr from arachnids + 50 fcr from gloves + 20 fcr from ammy, that makes 130 fcr. I've hit the pinnacle of cast rate already.

Charms: 8x pnb (all life based), 2x summoning (39 life, 30 life)

My biggest problem right now is getting enough FHR to handle the sorceress, but I likely won't need it unless my army is annihilated by the sorceress.

1x annihilus, 9x life/mana scs

With these, BO, max block, wizardspike gloves etc., I'd get about 2.2k health, 1.2k mana, 75 resist on all and...

Might Merc (+holy freeze):
Ethereal Doom Cryptic Axe
Stone/Duress Sacred Armor
8/8/25 .08 vamp gaze
8k+ dmg

and 13 skeletons running on Might and BO under the cover of holy freeze with 1 clay golem to take more hits.

I've 1 point in summon resists and I use amplify from 2 screens distance, then I teleport at them.

Upon stacking over the target, I spam my spears, low dmg ones at 4.1k to assure the kill.

Now, the place where I need help. The sorceresses claim that putting Sol runes in their Whistans shield, Skin of Vipermagi etc. would make my skeletons, (lvl 17 raise/lvl 17 mastery) do 0 damage after pvp penalty, finally the Amplify damage makes it 0x2=0 damage -.-;;

Furthermore, they are under the opinion that they can't be touched and I won't have a chance to stack them. It's been calculated that a 4k spear would reduce their mana by 1.3k and life by 20 each time it hits, and that all of my stacked units would do as good as 0 damage due to max block -.-;;;

Any advice on any improvements to make? My 13 skeletons do about 400-500 damage each and probably 600-800 after might, have about 1.1k-1.4k life each after BO and my merc is doing 8k+ damage as stated above. Is there any room for improvement?

[Kyo]

This is probably why the surge of bone necro questions. All Pvp perhaps?

[Death on Dark Wings]

Well, I really don't think that my necromancer would get pwned by the sorc, but they're speaking with unexpected confidence. Even a pro sorc player down there admits that it'd take 2 orbs from a screen's range of 1k+ frozen orb with maxed cold mastery to take out EACH skeleton. That'd mean 26 orbs. Add 5 orbs for my merc with about 2.8k life, and 5 for my golem with about 8k-(or was it 11k?) life. And they openly admitted they'd be reaching about 4k mana. The most godly energy shield sorc I ever fought managed 5 spears before going down (my pure bone spears), on a hybrid build, I say even in the worst case scenario, it'd take me 7 spears to take her out. 7 spears vs 36 orbs. The only advantage they have would be their 8 frames cast rate (they can't hit 7 using anti-magic items) over my 9 frames, but would 1 frame actually help them THATTTTT much?!

[Necrochild313]

ES may own bone necros, but grab a venomancer and listen to the sorc cry!

[gjcraig]

Wouldn't a 5,000 something damage Bone spear still take down almost any sorc in 2 shots - energy shield or not ? :scratch:

[DoC-Makaveli]

Wouldn't a 5,000 something damage Bone spear still take down almost any sorc in 2 shots - energy shield or not ?

not even close with ES

good orb sorc > good necro when gm...

if you want to be bm, necro wins easily... but that doesnt really prove anything... could use 2x raven + cold immune stacked revives (like those trees)... you're using newb bugged gloves anyway... if you're gonna bm, might as well do it well...

a merc cant take 5 orbs LOL?????????????

[Necrochild313]

Wouldn't a 5,000 something damage Bone spear still take down almost any sorc in 2 shots - energy shield or not ? :scratch:

A good ES will reduce your bone damage by 95%

ES, Assn's Weapon Block, and The Zon's Dodges are the bane of the bone necro, who's advantage is their unresistable (literally ;) ) attacks.

[Final]

/me sounding sagey

Ahhhh es sorcs...very hard to combat...my stratagie:

Tele ontop let bs fly...or tele away let the teeth have fun both work pretty effective :D

[prion]

minor point, but if you tele you don't really need Cham in your shako right?

[LLD-Vampire]

Here I'll go get my post from pvp about some nec who thought it was a hack and tell you why you have no chance unless you absorb.

"Life lost
3500/6=583
583X.05=29 (negated with mals)

then for mana lost
583-29=554
554X.75=415

If he was pure ES and had BO he coulda had like 3-4k mana with insane regen since he is a fire sorc. He used lidless so no block even more mana. He probably didn't even have to pot but he might have."

Yep well thats 3.5k fire sorc but you get the idea, even if she didn't care much about dodging you she could kill you unless you stack insane resist. You'll take pretty much no life and she can run off for a few secs to regen mana.

[Tank081]

Don't take this the wrong way as im not claiming some kind of uber status or anything, but iv never ran into an orb/ES sorc that i could not beat. Perhaps i have simply not found a good one yet, but i have been playing my bone nec for a while now and they have never been a problem. I do duel good manered with no absorb, heck i dont even have cannot be frozen :P.

[dumbpig]

lol all u hafta do is get one of those blackbog's sharps and then a lidless and some cast rings so u still hit the cast break, lvl 20ish poison nova owns energy shield sorcs even without synergy ><

[evild2player]

how do u plan on finishing ES sorcs with a venomancer.. the fire golem? ES would absorb all the damage.

[Fremen°]

teeth is actually the way to go;)


story, im playing my friends venomancer. i convince the two sorcs that its a bonemancer, they turn out to be ES sorcs

we go out the blood more, i drop several novas and a volley of teeth. both dead. one brings in a barb with (i think) tal-ed venom ward. he BOs, then comes after me...

...now he doesnt have tele, and i ressurect my rogue merc. so i tele around while merc squeezes off its weak shots and i shoot novas...the battle lsted for like 5 minutes, but at the end i managed to smack him with dagger before my merc killed him

[LLD-Vampire]

erm... poison nova does initial damage (which I am 95% sure goes through es)

[Necrochild313]

how do u plan on finishing ES sorcs with a venomancer.. the fire golem? ES would absorb all the damage.

Another nova maybe ;)

[soulesschild]

wizgloves, ew. noob hackers.

[LLD-Vampire]

wizgloves, ew. noob hackers.
Blizz should ban cd keys/accounts with straight out hacked items like that. Duped things just delete them since there really is no way of knowing. People would be too afraid to use them even if they still existed.

[Death on Dark Wings]

Some things to note.

1) Wizardspike gloves
They're not that 'cheaty' or unfair. I would hack white gloves and white belts if I had the time, although those would be harder due to specific reasons and it's difficult to stimulate the conditions required for hexing without getting caught or getting a realm down... -_-;

2) Safety shields
Many of you might not have noticed, but:

Safety Shield Magic Kite Shield/Dragon Shield/Monarch
Nef Rune
Perfect Emerald
Any Jewel

+ (10-30)% Enhanced Defense
Magic Resistance +(5-10)%
Magic Damage Reduced By (1-2)
Damage Reduced By (1-4)

10% magic resistance, but I doubt it'll be much of an efficiency as resistances are applied AFTER energy shield, hence energy shield takes in unreduced damage. Wordless... Energy shield converts 95% damage to mana and 5% damage to life. Meaning, a 6k spear, becomes 1k damage. Then, 5% of the 1000 damage, or 50 damage is reduced off your life orb. However, the other 950 damage is reduced by 25% due to maxed telekenisis which slowly reduces 2 mana loss per 1 damage to 0.75 per 1 damage. Hence, that's 712.5 mana loss per 6k spear. 50 life loss and 712.5 mana loss. I'm not certain about magic resistance because it's almost undiscussed of, but as 50 life loss with 10% reduction is 45 life loss. If the sorceress has up to 45 magic damage reduction, only 712.5 mana is lost throughout. Therefore, I conclude that 2 hits would NEVER kill an ES sorceress. There're ES sorceresses with 2k life and 3k mana. With marrowwalk and pure bone, it's possible to reach about 6578 to 6901 spear damage (lvl 51 bone spear and lvl 33 synergy from bone prison, lvl 20 synergy from teeth, spirit and wall and even with this extent of damage, one needs about 4 hits to take out the mana of a 4k mana ES sorc. However, as a sorceress without mana is like prey to a raptor, I only fear her higher cast rate teleportation.

[Death on Dark Wings]

Some things to note.

1) Wizardspike gloves
They're not that 'cheaty' or unfair. I would hack white gloves and white belts if I had the time, although those would be harder due to specific reasons and it's difficult to stimulate the conditions required for hexing without getting caught or getting a realm down... -_-;

2) Safety shields
Many of you might not have noticed, but:

Safety Shield Magic Kite Shield/Dragon Shield/Monarch
Nef Rune
Perfect Emerald
Any Jewel

+ (10-30)% Enhanced Defense
Magic Resistance +(5-10)%
Magic Damage Reduced By (1-2)
Damage Reduced By (1-4)

10% magic resistance, but I doubt it'll be much of an efficiency as resistances are applied AFTER energy shield, hence energy shield takes in unreduced damage. Wordless... Energy shield converts 95% damage to mana and 5% damage to life. Meaning, a 6k spear, becomes 1k damage. Then, 5% of the 1000 damage, or 50 damage is reduced off your life orb. However, the other 950 damage is reduced by 25% due to maxed telekenisis which slowly reduces 2 mana loss per 1 damage to 0.75 per 1 damage. Hence, that's 712.5 mana loss per 6k spear. 50 life loss and 712.5 mana loss. I'm not certain about magic resistance because it's almost undiscussed of, but as 50 life loss with 10% reduction is 45 life loss. If the sorceress has up to 45 magic damage reduction, only 712.5 mana is lost throughout. Therefore, I conclude that 2 hits would NEVER kill an ES sorceress. There're ES sorceresses with 2k life and 3k mana. With marrowwalk and pure bone, it's possible to reach about 6578 to 6901 spear damage (lvl 51 bone spear and lvl 33 synergy from bone prison, lvl 20 synergy from teeth, spirit and wall and even with this extent of damage, one needs about 4 hits to take out the mana of a 4k mana ES sorc. However, as a sorceress without mana is like prey to a raptor, I only fear her higher cast rate teleportation.
3) Poison
An unsynergized teeth or fire golem will NOT be able to kill a sorceress easily. OK, assuming you've some poison necromancer somehow managed to get an insanely powerful Level 45 teeth (correct me if I'm wrong, but I doubt many even reach lvl 45 teeth in the first place, but I'm assuming 45 as the maximum possibility as the necromancer should have CTA on switch, unless he BOs then goes back to stash to put on a teeth white wand with darkforce spawn +3, which doesn't sound very logical of anybody to be doing) and Marrowwalk to boost it, that makes it 478-600 magic damage. PvP penalty reduces it to 79 2/3 or 79.67 to 100 magic damage. That makes 3.9835 damage to life and 95 damage to mana. If the sorceress has 4 magic damage reduce, it'd be completely negated. Furthermore, the remaining 75/100 * 95 damage to mana is too little to break through a sorceress' mana regeneration unless assuming you managed to land 2 waves of teeth directly in a sorceress' (I'm assuming the sorceress knows what she's doing and has up to standard teleportation technique and has a sufficient mana regeneration which can pull her 4k mana pool up by 100+ in 3 seconds while maintaining her teleportation, which is the assumed time it takes for a second round of teeth to strike her by chance, but I doubt the teeth would catch up with her 8 frames/7 frames teleportation anyway (do note, lightning sorceresses can hit 1 mana teleportation and it's further to their advantage). As for fire golem, it's 34-36 holy fire damage for a lvl 20 golem (I doubt it's easy to reach this for a poison necromancer). Reduce with pvp penalty, that's not even 10 fire damage. Let's assume it's 10 fire damage after pvp penalty. Reduce 95% of the 10 damage is equivalent to 0.5 fire damage. Reduce the fire damage applied on the life after fire resists (assuming her fire resists = 75% in hell even after -62 from lower resists), that is 25/100 * 0.5 damage, which is 1/4 of 0.5 damage or 0.125 fire damage. Wow, that's an insanely 'high' fire damage -.-;; Even if she has only 13% fire resists after a lvl 20 lower resists, that's still 87% of 0.5 damage, and is still less than 1 life left in the poor sorceress.

[Lord_Shinnok]

Not to seem rude or anything but they can't be kind'a cheaty. They either are or aren't. And yours, no matter what way the ball drops are hacked items. I don't care if u traded for them. I don't care if a friend gave them to you. Hacked is hacked my friend. I don't care if you have an item that has terrible stats but you hacked to get it. Cheating is cheating and there isn't a magical half-way point of its "not that cheaty". Sorry if this doesn't address the whole point being discussed here i just felt like popping in and adding my two cents.

[TheAlfheim]

Hi Guys....

Just a thought:

Why dont you challenge some of the guys from the sorc forum to a duel?
Either 1v1 or perhaps teams?

That'd make it interesting!

On the flipside, I remember the flame war that was started by a challenge which went out on the necro forum, so I dont know if its such a good idea.
Dont want to cause that kind of trouble......

Just food for thought.....

Cheers,
TheAlfheim

Edit: What do you guys think?

[Death on Dark Wings]

Hi Guys....

Just a thought:

Why dont you challenge some of the guys from the sorc forum to a duel?
Either 1v1 or perhaps teams?

That'd make it interesting!

On the flipside, I remember the flame war that was started by a challenge which went out on the necro forum, so I dont know if its such a good idea.
Dont want to cause that kind of trouble......

Just food for thought.....

Cheers,
TheAlfheim

Edit: What do you guys think?

I've already issued a challenge to a member in the sorceress forum, but that's on USWest. You guys from USEast should really arrange your duels.
---------

As for hacked items, as long as they remain 'legally accepted' -- not banned by Blizzard, the only setback is that they'd disappear or for hackers, it's being caught. I understand your good will, but in my opinion, hacked or not, as long as I've done something to become more powerful, it's all fair. For example, I've a hacked item because I made it myself, or because I traded for it with my vast wealth. Either ways, I have put in my EFFORT into becoming more powerful. One thing that affects the outcome of a duel, is who has the better items. The hacked items didn't come cheap in price of effort or in price of items, so isn't it considered fair that my effort in either sense has paid off, resulting in me winning? It's also not as if my opponent cannot get the item, it's only whether or not he is a good enough hacker/rich enough to get it. If we were to consider things fair or unfair, then not only would we restrict the dynamic nature of progressive gaming which entices us to play RPGs, we would inflict a great impact on the gaming world and lead on to a chain reaction. You must bear in mind, you might be 'L337' or whatever, but some people are just purely bad at things no matter how they try and buying items/using hacked items/using unfair means such as marrowwalk over a non-marrowwalk-using character to win can be shorter methods they can take to improve their overall fighting ability. What's the point of taking a long and arduous journey to reach home to prove your manliness if you could take a short and simple shortcut right to your doorstep? Just because you're good, and because someone owned you using hacked items, then you feel angry because you'd have been the best, then you express your aversion because you feel the grievances, then you're a sore loser. You might wonder, what if there're extremely L337 characters using hexed items, won't they be putting their 'pro'ness to bad use? It's just their path in progress and they certainly have put in effort into getting all these. Just as you've put your heart and sweat into becoming good, so have people put their sweat hacking, so have people put in their money into becoming as good item-wise. Now, you might find it unfair because you think they put in less to become as good as you are. I tell you, you feel victimised only because you're within the majority of the victimised people. Now then, I tell you, there're people out there, who feel it's unfair why some people can become 'pros' faster than them, why people are richer than them or more powerful than them because they've got the time to mf whole day long, type in these forums and learn from others, and they feel victimised. But you'll think you're better than them because it's fair. But no, it's you perspective of fairness and justice. What if there's only 1 person in Bnet who has enigma, and everyone else doesn't and can never get it anymore as Blizzard has prevent Jah from dropping anymore and deleted all unsocketed Jahs? You'll think this can never happen because Blizzard would make it 'fair', but tell you, if this happens, the people who can't teleport would feel that it's unfair if that 1 person uses the Enigma against them. But it cannot be that this 1 person happened to socket the Jah by chance, he had to find it, he had to put in the effort into making an Enigma. He got it fairly. Furthermore, wouldn't it be unfair to destroy his efforts and ban him from Bnet? Which is why I hate private dueling leagues. Nothing stops other people from using the same ill practices. Just as an amazon can use slow missiles on me, so can I use decrepify on her and keep locking on her to take her out with my spears. This is progress. The ability to discern competitive improvement of others, and improve yourself so as to match their improvements. Not lower the improvement of others by banning their acts, then finding it 'fair' on your part.

All that above, the same applies to others. There're people from the top who keep all of their secret 'tricks', stats, items used, skill point allocations etc. from others because they think that it's only fair that what they've gone through to obtain these gives them the intellectual property and possession of these. Amongst these people, are people who play in private leagues who think it's a 'fair' and 'level' platform for dueling. Ironic isn't it? Your effort is fair and others' efforts are unfair. The fact is, the world has gotten into this selfish state where one is always right and others are always wrong. I hope you all could understand. Boycott private dueling leagues. Prevent the proliferation of selfishness.

The bottomline is, not that I'm insulting what you guys are doing, because I cannot deny that you all have put in your effort into becoming 'pro', rather it is that I hope you guys can become more understanding, more aware of others' needs.

[Necrochild313]

3) Poison
An unsynergized teeth or fire golem will NOT be able to kill a sorceress easily. OK, assuming you've some poison necromancer somehow managed to get an insanely powerful Level 45 teeth (correct me if I'm wrong, but I doubt many even reach lvl 45 teeth in the first place, but I'm assuming 45 as the maximum possibility as the necromancer should have CTA on switch, unless he BOs then goes back to stash to put on a teeth white wand with darkforce spawn +3, which doesn't sound very logical of anybody to be doing) and Marrowwalk to boost it, that makes it 478-600 magic damage. PvP penalty reduces it to 79 2/3 or 79.67 to 100 magic damage. That makes 3.9835 damage to life and 95 damage to mana. If the sorceress has 4 magic damage reduce, it'd be completely negated. Furthermore, the remaining 75/100 * 95 damage to mana is too little to break through a sorceress' mana regeneration unless assuming you managed to land 2 waves of teeth directly in a sorceress' (I'm assuming the sorceress knows what she's doing and has up to standard teleportation technique and has a sufficient mana regeneration which can pull her 4k mana pool up by 100+ in 3 seconds while maintaining her teleportation, which is the assumed time it takes for a second round of teeth to strike her by chance, but I doubt the teeth would catch up with her 8 frames/7 frames teleportation anyway (do note, lightning sorceresses can hit 1 mana teleportation and it's further to their advantage). As for fire golem, it's 34-36 holy fire damage for a lvl 20 golem (I doubt it's easy to reach this for a poison necromancer). Reduce with pvp penalty, that's not even 10 fire damage. Let's assume it's 10 fire damage after pvp penalty. Reduce 95% of the 10 damage is equivalent to 0.5 fire damage. Reduce the fire damage applied on the life after fire resists (assuming her fire resists = 75% in hell even after -62 from lower resists), that is 25/100 * 0.5 damage, which is 1/4 of 0.5 damage or 0.125 fire damage. Wow, that's an insanely 'high' fire damage -.-;; Even if she has only 13% fire resists after a lvl 20 lower resists, that's still 87% of 0.5 damage, and is still less than 1 life left in the poor sorceress.

3. Another nova will kill when their at one, I've had to do it before.

[Neuroff]

Lol, while you're at it why don't you use cold immune revives, two ravens and a blackoak.

[Pallidum]

For your long winded diatribe about the ethics of hacked items, all I have to say is the following. As long as you put the effort into cheating, that makes it alright? Rofl if you really think like that.

Private dueling leagues are made for the specific purpose to keep out "pub nubs" like you who cheat, abuse bm, and generally have so sense of fair play. By the way what you are suggesting is obviously flawed. One does not get better by using every possible crutch to win a fight (using hacked items, skeletons, revives, overabsorb, etc.). If people like that wins, its just the items winning and says nothing about the skill level. Hence, imo, it's an empty victory. It's meaningless. Now if someone wins by restricting himself (no absorb, no stacking resists, uses legit items only, etc), then that shows the person truly has skill, and its not the items

Btw safety shields won't do jack cause its magic resistance, meaning its only useful on magic damage like hammers and bone spells.

[soulesschild]

I really just have to say it, if it gets me banned so be it.

Cheaters like you Death are what ruins bnet. Cheaters like you are what gives necros such a bad image. You are nothing but a skilless noob that requires hacked items to win. Let me guess, you mana pot too all the time? Do you absorb every character that you can absorb? Do you cry AA and whine and ***** about anything that can kill you? Because that's exactly what I think you are. You deserve no respect from me or anyone else here. Get the hell out of here pubby noob, you aren't wanted, go back and spam your IBS all day noob.

[TheKbob]

I hated AA people... Souless, after studying your guide (which I did for some time ago), I practised your bone aiming things and did my own tests and pretty soon I was yelled at that I had AA. Having true skill is always seen as hacking of somesorts...

but, hacked items. :lol: Go play open. Shoo! At least east didnt have those things. I feel sorry for you Westies. You had whites and hexes which was worse than anything we had.

Dunno about west, but east has 70/15 charms or +70 mana// +15 life SCs. A Fireball sorc would use 40 of em and have insane mana shield and one direct bone spear wouldnt even scratch them.

~Kbob

[Necrochild313]

At least the 290s are poofin Kbob.

I'm not sure about the other items along those lines, but I've heard random whining about it.

[soulesschild]

08 valks are poofing, 290s, runes as well. Thank god

[Necrochild313]

Now lets have all these storm circs, fletches, and all those duped boots, rings, gloves, ect ect ect ect poof with em and I'll be happy. (The list is sadly long)

[Final]

yes if you cant win with skill and have to resort to hacking u realy realy need to do a list of things
#1 unistall d2
#2 break your d2 disk into many many peices
#3 find a sewer and throw it into the water and watch it float away
#4 if you cant find a sewer find a drunk and trade it for his tie AND GET A JOB...
An alternitive
#1 unistall d2
#2 give it to your bro
#3 watch him grow more honorable than you ever have been and not hack

What #5 is LEAVE THIS FORM go to some other site and post ur hacked stuff just dont do it in here kapeesh

P.S. idk if i get banned for this...the truth hurts sometimes get over it

[Lord_Shinnok]

I know i had my two cents on this subject before but its good to see that people share my views on hackers. I'll give you a little lesson junior, never support an argument on the idea that 'everyone else does it and its the only way i can compete'. I hate to dig up a old saying but: "If all your friends jumped off a bridge would you?". I know, my mom said it to but isn't it strange that she was right?

The idea that just because you can you should just shows that you obviously have no sense of rationality. I mean, just because i can write a post flaming everyone in Diablo 2 doesn't mean i should (not that i would, i like these boards :yep: ). You have to use some judgement my friend. Your first mistake was hacking and your second and, i should mention your far worst mistake was mentioning hacks on this board. Hacks (Hexes, dupes, magic spells or whatever) are cheating no matter what way you cut it. You can try to rationalize it whatever way you want and if makes you feel better than good for you. But all your doing is digging a deeper hole for yourself.

My list of things you should promptly do:
#1: Bang your head against your wall and/or desk and/or floor (whatever you want, or u can cheat and just skip this step )
#2: Uninstall D2
#3: While waiting, repeat step 2.
#4: Take out the disc with gloves. Why? You have soiled the game enough, no need to continue that bad habit.
#5: Buy a ticket for that SpaceShip 1 thing and blast yourself into space.
#6: Throw the disc into space and never play again.
#7: Return to earth and get a life.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

May those who believe in fair play prosper :winner: .


And if this gets me banned, well thats life. My point has been made and no regrets.

-over and out :howdy:

[Monarch]

Wow guys lets chill with the lowering of self esteem.
I mean yes i agree with you all hacking is the worst thing to me. But yes death you should be a true necro and wear trangs or whatever and not your 1337 h4xXx0r BS. I think you should look at souless's guide and see how the rest of us necro's take care of are problems(with out hacked crap).
Also try to make a bone Necro untwinked and go into pubby duels and see how you feel when u get owned by the people you thought were n00bs. Thats how I started.

-WalrusPK:yep:

[Death on Dark Wings]

Eh, flames, encouragements to quit hacking in all good will and unoffensive, and all sorts.

Souless, I understand how you feel with the idea of hacking, how you consider it really newb-ish and all that and it's interesting to note that you even went all the way to the sorceress forum to flame me. It's OK to take offense at clashing ideologies, which is why there's such hatred amongst people. You should really keep your composure, not express your plain dislike for hackers. I don't mourn when I lose, neither do I absorb anything I can absorb, because I'm naturally lazy and I can't be bothered to change my equipment, or even clear my stash of useless trophies, ears of opposing clans, items for a merc I would never feel like training up, amulets which have nice names but are practically useless, nice items which should really be muled up rather than hanging around my stash. Furthermore, I'm not acting high and mighty. I'm defending my proposition, and I have all reason of my own to do so. You may take me as a corruption to the necromancy order, feel free to do so. You may take me as an antagonist, feel free to do so. A newbie? Oh yes I am. Even so that you dislike me for all, and through which you may expect me to whine in this majority opinion versus minority disposition, I'm afraid I'm incapable of that. I lack all online grandiloquence to do so, don't have the time to make meaningless responses to aggravate our wounds, and even lack the least of the professional trait to call you a newbie. Though perhaps you should have made me clarify the matter of hacking and all that before you got angry, I shall tell you some things about myself and my so-called 'hacking career', after which you can feel free to pity, sympathize, empathize, or continue to discourage me from playing D2, encourage to uninstall D2, or continue to add fuel to this conflagration, I can promise you, despite its most minute effects or even if it oscillates to apocalyptic proportions, I would not take the least bit of offense, after all, you have your stand, I cannot blame you, besides, you're not wrong either, and perhaps I'm endothermic...

Ahhh actually I'm just pure lazy...

Anyway, a true account of my story (the chronology is quite a bit screwed up, but I played the game, its prequels, sequels, whatever, since it was released, though I didn't have the chance to get the beta I was longing for, I even read the books), and through which I hope you can understand why I feel inclined to the hacking world and unfair winning:

Oculus, oculus, oculus. It was running through my head for hours past.

Amidst all spectral pandemonium tore through the Durance of Hate Level 3, there I was, with a sorceress, equipped only with useless rares, a worthless magical amulet, not the least bit of resilience. Not the least bit of hit points...

Only potions to sustain my online self.

As I ransacked the pathetic set of drops, there was nothing worth picking. Yet, every bit of gold counted. I picked up anything I could sell.

As I joined my next game, it came across my mind again. If only I had hit the download button when I was looking at the details on maphack, then I would not be taking so long, teleporting clockwise or anti-clockwise along the edges of Durance of Hate Level 2. The 'Alt' and 'Tab' button felt tempting...

No. I quickly dismissed such thoughts. Only fair gains.

And so the cycle went on. Hours went by. Weeks came along and went past. Months heralded the years to come. Yet, no Oculus. Just a pathetic wretch wearing items I could safely drop in a public game without anyone stealing. Not even worth the gold.

Long since I had joined Battle.net but I couldn't afford even a Storm Loop. More than a year had past since Diablo II Expansion had been released and still, no Oculus. Throughout the times past, I didn't use any hacks, didn't scam, didn't cheat, never succeeded trading off anything, except that I lied...

I would scroll through the Diabloii.net forums, reading posts, answering questions, finding answers, asking questions myself, and of course...

Whilst people could build characters of forged steel and elemental sorcery, so could I build characters of words. Windforce, Iths, Perfect vampire gazes socketed with 40/15 jewels, I wished I truly had those. Sadly, I wasn't even close to them. I could only suggest other people to get these, misleadingly trying my best to hint that I had them, or blatantly announcing my so-called 'possessions' when I had the chance.

I was just a nonchalant liar.

Scrapping the last vestiges of my dignity, though I felt much better, I got back onto the game. This time, I shall find an Oculus.

Raging through the tempesting maelstrom of Durance of Hate Level 2, I felt my accumulating hate build a realm greater than that of Mephisto's. I hated the 'pros', the 'newbies' and my belonging to this caste, the hackers who duped to no end, the maphackers especially, having taken no effort to find any durance entrance, more so, I hated myself.

"So how's mfing?" My friend sent a message.

"Found a set of rare boots with 24 mf, better than my previous set with 21 mf."

I felt the usual urge to affirm my mf, after all, I was sure it wasn't whether I had time or not, it's because I didn't grasp the mf rating properly, "Say, how much mf did you say you have again?"

It had asked the same question umpteen times to countless people.

"341" it read, not even with any punctuation. More than my sorceress' magic find. After all, my friend had a Skullder's Ire and Harlequin Crest and no difficult reaching that switching to an Ali Baba with Rhyme. He wasn't 'rich', just got lucky I guessed, finding all these within a couple of months, a feat I wasn't capable of doing without the maphack he was using.

"Wanna mf together again?"

"Sure," he responded.

All I needed was a Stone of Jordan ring, and I'm sure I could have a chance of getting an Oculus.

As my friend made his way somewhat instantaneously across Level 2, I stayed in town, waiting for his Town Portal. Making my way through his town portal, he cast firewalls on the poor Mephisto across the moat while I had the frozen orbs to match.

Occasionally, either of us died. Yet, I could still remember until now, it was the 13th game, personal13//123, when I had my closest contact with an Oculus...

Unidentified Totemic Mask. I killed Mephisto while my friend was taken out by Mephisto by an ice ball which found its target. I picked it up. I had never came across such an item.

Right click, left click. The corny sound of ruffling paper was produced.

"Jalal's mane, worth anythin?" I dropped the item on the floor.

He picked it up. "We could get an soj for this! Let me check what's the perfect ed."

His sorceress stood there for almost a minute, not moving an inch.

200. The one we found corresponded with the perfect enhanced defense.

"I think we could get at least 2 sojs for this."

"I suck at trading, trade it for me. Get me an soj, you can keep the rest." Our policy was, killers-keepers. Simple as that.

"ok" he answered.

I left to sleep, happy that I was almost assured an Oculus by tomorrow. Little did I know, dropping the Jalal's Mane sealed my fate for a month more to come.

The damned imbecile traded it for an Oculus for his own sorceress! Not a single soj. Well, better a friend than to lose one. I welled down my anger.

"Wanna mf again?"

"Nah, I wan2 mf on my own."

Our relationship soon deteriorated.

Then came along a Chinese. He was godly and had few friends, mainly due to his nationality and race. It didn't matter to me what was the race of my friend, Chinese or Japanese, German or American, Australian or Malaysian, much less Negro or 'White'. He just had to speak English and had any humanity in him.

A few months went by, when he finally decided he was going to quit. He would leave me the Oculus I longed for. Sadly, he lost all of his items on his Level 99 barbarian due to some strange bug involving Level 99s and he quit before passing me the Oculus.

Months went by, with nobody to help me, mfing alone in the quiescence of the Durance of Hate. A game which took my country by storm at its time, soon had no catch on me. I left my accounts to rot, I left the condemned game to where I thought it should have long went -- the oblivion where it came from.

Finally, version 1.10 came out about half a year after I quit the game and left my accounts to my friend who had just started playing when I quit the game. Throughout the half year, I was practically left with nothing to do. My spare time was on reading. I went to the library more times than I had before I quit D2 in six months. I was abusing drugs, - actually, brain-boosting drugs, not those that harm your body, spending worthless mornings studying, afternoons sleeping spending nights on quadratic formulae which can miraculously end up with 1+1=3, discussing existentialism online, writing stories untold, writing program scripts, hacking game codes, and so on. I joined the International High IQ Society with an IQ of 150 (the test was capped at 150, and I ever hit 168), 'owned' with a combined total of 98 percent for physics, biology and chemistry, scored so well throughout that I could still achieve high distinctions even if I failed my final papers, studied Japanese as another in a school only for the top ten percent in my country, took part in programmes for the top five percent of the nation.

"It's just a game. Get a life." Common statement.

Rather, I lost my life.

Then I came about to know a new friend. He was playing the all new and anticipated version 1.10. He encouraged me to do something I was against ever since I played Diablo:

Buying items.

Then I came to know of what the gaming world is like. The 'pros', whether they became so by 'unfair' means, or they were truly skilful (I'd use skilful instead of skillful since I'm based on the Cambridge educational system, if you're on American English, it's skillful), were a platform long sought after by the 'newbies', who either started later, or never had the chance -- like me. Why keep throwing my hands to a goal far away, trying hard to find items, when there are people who could reach Durance of Hate LeveL 3 at a sustained rate of 15 seconds or even below for any map using Maphack? Why beg for items, then stand the ridicule of being considered a newbie?

Yes, many would not understand how it used to feel. All started out as newbies, those were successful, they plain forgot how it felt.

Weak, no matter how good you were in skill; nobody would give you the total respect, only unstated sympathy.

At two hundred dollars, I simply got what I needed to put the pages long of personal guides I had continuously formulated over and over again in the futility of achieving.

Armed with practically uber items, hacked or not, duped or not, I finally felt what I thought was long deserved. I would join any public dueling game, and depending on the spectrum of characters in the game, I would usually state, "7vs1". Depending whether or not it was fair to my opponent or not in my personal opinion, I would pull back curses, summon stacking so on and so forth. If my opponents felt unjustly treated, I would glady unhostile them. I fought with godly sorceresses who were almost equipped completely with duped or hacked items, necromancers who were in dueling leagues which did not follow 'clan-honor' and were equipped in items no weaker than mine or were using autoaim. Even if either of the hackers lost, we would still type the two letters, "gg". An honor of our own.

Truly, it was a good game. Two characters on hacked items and unfair abuse of skills fighting each other. Even so, we weren't restricted by rules and regulations, we didn't have to care what others thought about our dueling ethics. All that mattered was that both sides accepted the other side's acts.

I practised duping and hacking techniques (not single player hacks) that would work on Closed Battle.net on Open Battle.net, but I never hacked in Closed Battle.net, not even Maphack (*cough* though I was badly tempted into hacking myself a pair of white gloves). What pulled me back from full extent of hacking, I would never know.

Maybe it was the lack of time.

Perhaps it's my ineptitude?

It might have been because I had no need of hacking with the items I needed.

Whichever was the reason, I found something.

A silver lining in the abyssal and stygian darkness where I lay.

A radiance which broke the congruence of despair after years of trying.

Hope.

========

Perhaps, you'd not accept what I have done. Perhaps, you'd despise me. All I have to say, is that at least, I have compassion. I would give arachnid mesh(es) to so-called 'newbies', knowing that my act has saved them weeks or even months of trying to build a good mf character, then even more weeks or months more of trying to find an arachnid mesh. I would give away annihilus(es), in hope that they would rather have gotten it through me, than choosing to scam others' annihilus(es) after finally realizing that they couldn't get one. Just as you all have your enjoyment as 'pros' and despise 'newbie' acts, so can others. Just as I do respect souless' bid to do all through 'fair' means, I hope you all could respect others, unfair, or newbies.

I thank you all for reading up to this point.

[Glenn Cain]

My lil' two cents:

The problem is, our friends aren't jumping off the bridges.

I suppose in the end its what we believe, anti-hackers will hate hackers and hackers will laugh at non-hackers (some cases), and this will go on forever.

Unless in an event that a hacker finally sees the sense in non-hacking, and vice versa, there is no way the two different groups find any reason to listen and practice the other's philosophy.

Let just be happy that Blizzard has kept the game alive up till this point.

[Death on Dark Wings]

My lil' two cents:

The problem is, our friends aren't jumping off the bridges.

I suppose in the end its what we believe, anti-hackers will hate hackers and hackers will laugh at non-hackers (some cases), and this will go on forever.

Unless in an event that a hacker finally sees the sense in non-hacking, and vice versa, there is no way the two different groups find any reason to listen and practice the other's philosophy.

Let just be happy that Blizzard has kept the game alive up till this point.

Very true. Wished everyone thought so.

[Lord_Shinnok]

Very nice post Dark Wings (though the run on sentences and commas were a tad annoying). I understand where your coming from. That you just felt that you had suffered enough over the years and in a way it was owed to you to get your items. Now I've already expressed myself on this point and you know where i stand. I don't think there is a rational for such things. As much as people try it all boils down to the same thing. I don't feel like regurgatating what i already said so I'll just try to expand on what I'm thinking now.

What your saying (as i understand it) is that basically Diablo had got your number and you finally found a way to get around that. You bought your 'uber' items and went off with the mindset you have never previously had. One of power, strength, and (while it can be hard to admit) cockiness. I'll say that you seem nice enough and if i ever had the opportunity to play with you i bet it would be good times for all. I'm not questioning your character just your choices. I see at as giving up in a way. You couldn't find your occy and when something gives you a chance to attain what you have desired for so long you take it, despite how it reflects on you. Now your story isn't any different from ones of myself and thousands of other people. Life isn't fair sometimes, I have Greek homework tonight after i write my psych paper. I admit that some of the fault falls to me but i'm not going to go on the net and download a paper just so i don't have to do it. I know that this seems a bit of an strech for the topic at hand but i find apt none the less. This all goes back to what i said before, just because you can doesn't mean you should.

Glenn Cain, i also get where your coming from. My bridges metaphor was used as an example and i think it works considering more and more people are turning to hacking for their answers. As for the idea that this problem will never be solved, I think your looking at it in a rather negative light. The only way we can work out are differences is by discussing them in a public forum such is this. At times it may get ugly but you can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs (i'm just spewing out the metaphors aren't I?). The way i see this discussion is that were making progress, though small in scale as it is.

Finally i just want to point out one fact Dark Wings. Your defending yourself very well and i could poke some holes in your defence but i don't feel like it right now (stuff to do you know). But your forgetting one problem that goes over all of us here on these boards and that is that hacking and duping are not to be supported. I believe that was in the contract when joining this board but one would have to check it over to make sure. Now obviously some of us may be at fault for bringing this out more but in the end it all falls back to you an your wizardspike gloves.

P.S.
As much as i love necros i think that the E.S. sorc would prevail in the end. Whoops, my bad. I got back on topic there for a second. :thanks:

[soulesschild]

Ebaying. Sad. Pathetic. Buying items online is just as bad as hacking. You fuel the dupers and other hackers. Don't come upon these forums with your stupidty and idiotic reasons to justify hacking/ebaying. I find it pretty sad that you're willing to spend 200 dollars just for items...

We all were poor once, we worked for our items, I came from .08 being a poor noob that had finally gotten a lycanders aim, then i fell for one of those password scams. Did I whine and complain and then go buy items off ebay? No, i continued to work, trade, and mf occasionally, usually getting items from 09 cows and slowly trade my way up. Then when iths came out, I completely quit SC, and moved onto HC, and all my chars expired cept for a few containing a few old 09 necro items. I came back to 1.10 with nothing, literally nothing cept for a circlet and some pbgcs with life. I moved onto ladder, mfed, traded my way to build a very nice hammerdin, then traded off all that hammerdin gear for NL items to build most of the necro I have today.Trading is really the only way to get "rich" in this game without resorting to hacking/duping/ebaying. I've seen some poorly geared necros beat godly geared necros. Your godly "uber" items don't make you, skill does. Apparently you have none, having to resort to wizgloves, summonlame, etc. So stop posting before you make yourself look more stupid.

You want some challengs on USWest NL? Then leave an account and I'll happily bring people to come kill you.

[Dark Knight]

/me *Takes down the "Forum rulebook - advanced" and starts to read*

[Dark Knight]

I had typed out a long response to this thread but the forum ate it. :grrr:

After reading your posts closer Death, it is pity I feel. The need to spend real money on items, the lifestyle and the insecurity. I can empathise with overplaying DII - I did so at my peril and now have dodgy wrists because of it (overcowing + bad ergonomics), but thats the extent of my sympathy.

The tale of your desire to increase your status among the over 14's community of battlenet smacks to me of irony. You've looked to ebay, to hacks and so forth and now you are finally "leet" you are seeing that the community you so wanted to increase stature in shuns you.

They shun you because you cheat. You are unfair. You spoil the game for others, either through overpowering, or through realm downs, or through lag. In the eyes of most forumers here (about largest DII community) you are lower than you were with "legit" items.

The real secret to things is the interpersonal relationships. Making some friends; hanging out in channels. People are the key in this game, not NPC's. Thats my experience anyway.

Perhaps if you had come to this site earlier you would have gone a different way (for example our item fund could have helped you). Your excuses for cheating, your justifications and so forth fall on deaf ears here; a site that prides itself on "legitness".

It falls to me to be the enforcer of the forum rules, and in that regard I have to tell you desist from treading the fine path between hacked items and eventual ban.

In the eyes of the player community here; cheaters are the lowest of the Bnet low, admired only by those too young or foolish to know better, or who dont have it within themselves to advance without cheating. I can stop harsh flaming, but I am not going to be able to change this attitude (nor would I want to); so your continued posting here really relies on you respecting our position, the position of the community and the site, and the wishes of the administration that hacks and so forth not be discussed.

~DK

[Death on Dark Wings]

Nah it's not flaming, since it's directed at me and but I didn't take any offense. Not that there's anything that needs stopping, but I shall try to keep away from agitating anti-hackers extremists anyway. I just felt that there're people out there I had to speak for, not just myself.

Whether what I said was flawed or not, the sole purpose is not to gain your pity after whining in a long post punctuated with corny grammar and sentence structuring, rather, I was trying to bridge neutrality between hackers and non-hackers, fair players or unfair players. Yes, this site is against hacking, that I cannot deny. However, it's discouraging hacking, not denigrating hackers. I'm only hoping you guys would treat and view hackers in a different eye, understand their disposition, perhaps you could never accept it, but you all wouldn't at least detest it.

As for whether I had whined about not getting an Oculus or not, well, I had never typed a single word of grievance over how I could never get an Oculus. I just felt that this was the opportunity to give my personal opinion. I had my fair share of scams, setbacks etc., but those weren't relevant to the my main point -- not every hacker is purely evil. The further we dwell in the world where we think there's good and evil, the more the interceptions of thoughts. Do you think every hacker hacks simply because he likes it? Hardly, unless in case of psychosis.

Furthermore, to address the Glenn and Shinnok's points, good luck or God bless, whichever applies for your Psych and Greek firstly, I admit life isn't fair, but well, rather accept it and even the scales on your own, than to leave it to others to decide what's fair and unfair. Nice metaphors anyway, but they're really not my thing. Psychology.org did well enough for me when it came to plagarizing papers, hope it does enough for you. As for an update on my occy collection, I think I finally gave one away to a poor guy I came by who just couldn't help but to let Baal's minions engulf him like phagocytes and another to some poor guy who was hoping he could dupe so that he could dupe his massive rare collection, though I kept mum about duping.

Whatsoever, I still think hacking isn't wrong, neither am I propagating it, just trying to forge harmony within the society. Let's get on the point on defeating energy shield sorceresses -_-;, or we could always try and solve Dark Knight's comfort problem, especially with his wrists. Say, I've been using 3M glare screens and Logitech keyboards with wrist-rests ever since I had first used them and I've never felt a single sensation of pain on the computer :). Anyways, Dark, it's always great to sign up for an item fund, but seriously, I don't really want to be reliant on people and just as I'm not reliant on my gloves and I could always switch them back for Magefists and my helm for a circlet and all that, just that it's hard managing mules and I can't be bothered to update the mule manager and I can't be bothered looking for the items, really, much less rebuilding my necromancer again because he'd probably exceed the necessary dexterity by a few points again. Maybe someday when my gloves decide to die on me, but probably not, since anyone with the sanity of mind would know how to keep such items very much safe from Blizzard's clutches, though I won't say how, so as not to break any forum rules. I resist my urge to talk about duping anyway, but just to say, I don't think what I was saying were really excuses -- rather, reasons, but heck, observations relative to the beholder I guess. I'm not 'leet' yet, besides, I still haven't reached my 4k life goal, perhaps I'd claim that I'm leet after that. As for interpersonality and intrapersonality, I would say that it's easier to rely on oneself, but ultimately, more efficient to rely on others. As work is the product of simplicity and efficiency in this case, we could tap in both resources freely and end up with similar results, not necessarily just work on the efficiency factor. I'm very sorry for your lost post, I almost lost mine on the Oculus when I accidentally hit the 'BACK' button, guess it always does good to save long posts in some text document in your desktop?

Ahh, I almost forgot. Souless. I'd very much like to duel you and your uber league, why not you leave some accounts so that I may find whomsoever? After all, it's really great to get owned by pros once in a while, gives me grasp of the reality, doesn't it?

Finally, one thing I must admit though, I'm really bad when it comes to gaming, somehow. I must really Blizzard for implementing cheats (OK, my last mention on cheating) for all of the Starcraft and Warcraft series I had played up till now, or I would have long given up on gaming.

Anyway, I refuse to believe that sorceresses would own necromancers, even if it has been proven tonnes of times and we won't make any improvement until we truly believe in the potential of necromancers. Is there really no hope in killing sorceresses?

P.S.: Excludes the use of AA. It's definitely possible to win a sorceress using a necromancer without AA, since I ever went on par with some sF top brass sorceress without AA and got some invitation, though I don't have a clue what's sF and after all, it may just be some clan not worth mentioning that nobody knows of. Heck. Anyway, I think I would make a second try at the sorceress with my new build during November.

[soulesschild]

you leave your account or you read the necromancer posts below this post.

In terms of ES sorc, and GM duels, notice GM, that means none of your hacked newb crap, the answer is yes, you will not ever kill them.

[Death on Dark Wings]

Ugh. OK, I'd check out that post. Say, one thing souless. I'm sorry because of my acts, it has caused to exert yourself slightly more than you should have and hence I may have shortened your life by a bit. Anyway, after taking a nap, I decided, I should really throw those gloves to where they belong (*cough* actually, to my new sorceress) and re-build my necromancer WITHOUT hacked items. Now, what should I do first to work on a so-called 'legit' necromancer? Advice, anyone?

[soulesschild]

its only typing, not like i went out to have a fit and go completely whacko. The day your wiz gloves go poof and you realize you wasted your money on a game, you'll realize just how much of an idiot you are. Come on, 200 dollars on a game?

We have stickies for a reason you know...

[Dark Knight]

Nah it's not flaming, since it's directed at me and but I didn't take any offense. Not that there's anything that needs stopping, but I shall try to keep away from agitating anti-hackers extremists anyway. I just felt that there're people out there I had to speak for, not just myself.This misconception comes up occasionally. Flaming isn't allowed, regardless of if the recipient is happy with it. Everyone else is still exposed to it.

I was trying to bridge neutrality between hackers and non-hackers, fair players or unfair players. Yes, this site is against hacking, that I cannot deny. However, it's discouraging hacking, not denigrating hackers. I'm only hoping you guys would treat and view hackers in a different eye, understand their disposition, perhaps you could never accept it, but you all wouldn't at least detest it.Wrong. Breaking the legitamacy rules on the site gets that person a ban. What is a ban? Its an attempt to completely eliminate an unwelcome guest from the site. (We are all guests of the site, myself included).

As a rough metaphor, lets say Americans are more accepting of seeing insurgent Iraqies shot dead - than them being tortured (not trying to raise controversy here but a metaphor).

In the same way we want to eliminate those people who contribute to ruining the game (in our view and the view of Blizzard), but dont want the place to devolve into flaming matches. When thousands of accounts are deleted due to cheating - thats good news here.

In addition these forums weren't made for flaming matches; and thats what happens with legit VS unlegit people. The two cannot coexist peacefully because one wrecks the other (the economy, the gameplay, performance etc).

I have colleagues - respected colleagues - who think you should be banned. The only reason you are not, is that I'm willing to treat this thread as a discussion on the morality of hacking (which isn't against forum rules; but borderline).

I will close this thread at any point I think it deteriorates too far.

Dont hint or allude to methods of hacking etc, and I want the hacking talk to stay in this conversation thread only - I see hacks being advocated elsewhere on this forum and.. well just dont talk bout hacks outside of this thread ok?

Only coordinate legit duels on this forum... and lets try to keep the flaming under control from all quarters.

Check the stickies for legit Necro guides; there are others in the strat compendium.

[soulesschild]

hey DK, do you think theres any chance for the strat compendium to like, take out that guide i have up there and link to my guide? alot of new comers msg me in game saying my guide rocks but its outdated or its incomplete. Think you can do that for me? ;)

[Dark Knight]

Right..would need to get ahold of Elly.

Got to sleep tonight too!

PM me specific links and "dummy proof" instructions on what needs doing and I will chase it up :)

[Final]

Yes after reading the form ruels I did notice the highlite in them no flameing so i applogize i should have politly tell dodw to uninstall d2 and throw it into the dump of the land we call the sewer (or a wishing well hopefully itll go on to a happyer place /me sniff.


An army must fear his commanders more than he fears the bullets of the enemy, if he dosn't under stand this he is doing no more than creating chaos.

[Final]

Yes after reading the form ruels I did notice the highlite in them no flameing so i applogize i should have politly tell dodw to uninstall d2 and throw it into the dump of the land we call the sewer (or a wishing well hopefully itll go on to a happyer place /me sniff.


An army must fear his commanders more than he fears the bullets of the enemy, if he dosn't under stand this he is doing no more than creating chaos.

[Final]

Yes after reading the form ruels I did notice the highlite in them no flameing so i applogize i should have politly tell dodw to uninstall d2 and throw it into the dump of the land we call the sewer (or a wishing well hopefully itll go on to a happyer place /me sniff.


An army must fear his commanders more than he fears the bullets of the enemy, if he dosn't under stand this he is doing no more than creating chaos.

[Monarch]

Nice 3 in a row post there buddy...

-WalrusPK:yep:

[Final]

Nice 3 in a row post there buddy...

-WalrusPK:yep:
omg rofl sry the form was laggy at the time :lol: .

[Pimpin Dream Girl]

If you've figured to browse through other forums, there're actually claims on the sorceress forum that a sorceress COMPLETELY OWNS a necromancer using FO/ES. Now I'm totally insulted and I am building my next necromancer to own those poor sorceresses. I need a lot of advice, help, strategizing and a couple of items to complete my collection. Please give any advice if possible, because it'd really make us look like losers if I got owned but some sorc

Objective: To build a Necromancer that OWNS a FO/ES based sorceress with max cold mastery, high magic dmg reduce and physical dmg reduce

Here's my CURRENT build:

Weapon: Perf Hoto
Shield: Homun socketed with +15res all///9 str
Armor: Enigma on light plate (looks nicer)
Belt: 119% ed arachnids (though DEF doesn't matter against a sorc)
Rings: Dual sojs
Boots: Marrowwalk with +2 skeleton mastery
Gloves: Wizardspike gloves
Amulet: 2nec/20 fcr/str/life/mana/regen mana amulet
Helm: Perf Shako (Chamed)
Switch: CTA/Lidless

That'd make 40 fcr from hoto + 20 fcr from arachnids + 50 fcr from gloves + 20 fcr from ammy, that makes 130 fcr. I've hit the pinnacle of cast rate already.

Charms: 8x pnb (all life based), 2x summoning (39 life, 30 life)

My biggest problem right now is getting enough FHR to handle the sorceress, but I likely won't need it unless my army is annihilated by the sorceress.

1x annihilus, 9x life/mana scs

With these, BO, max block, wizardspike gloves etc., I'd get about 2.2k health, 1.2k mana, 75 resist on all and...

Might Merc (+holy freeze):
Ethereal Doom Cryptic Axe
Stone/Duress Sacred Armor
8/8/25 .08 vamp gaze
8k+ dmg

and 13 skeletons running on Might and BO under the cover of holy freeze with 1 clay golem to take more hits.

I've 1 point in summon resists and I use amplify from 2 screens distance, then I teleport at them.

Upon stacking over the target, I spam my spears, low dmg ones at 4.1k to assure the kill.

Now, the place where I need help. The sorceresses claim that putting Sol runes in their Whistans shield, Skin of Vipermagi etc. would make my skeletons, (lvl 17 raise/lvl 17 mastery) do 0 damage after pvp penalty, finally the Amplify damage makes it 0x2=0 damage -.-;;

Furthermore, they are under the opinion that they can't be touched and I won't have a chance to stack them. It's been calculated that a 4k spear would reduce their mana by 1.3k and life by 20 each time it hits, and that all of my stacked units would do as good as 0 damage due to max block -.-;;;

Any advice on any improvements to make? My 13 skeletons do about 400-500 damage each and probably 600-800 after might, have about 1.1k-1.4k life each after BO and my merc is doing 8k+ damage as stated above. Is there any room for improvement?

PnB necs RULE! FO/ES sorcs RULE!

hey I ONLY hang out in sorcs forum, but I just came here for fun....
I do find PnB necs to be infinitely great as I play one as myself, and I do have CTA, HOTO, etc. etc. although they aren't pf. I never made a FO/ES sorc in 1.10, but I certainly think it will have a good chance of beating you, as long as the controller is as rich as you are. (10 gcs, anni, so on so on)
It will be a fun duel!

BTW I think you're mistaking couple rooms with titles such as FO/ES best build against necs? and such and such, and I have NEVER seen anything offensive as you're being rite now about FO/ES sorcs, and I say F_UCK OFF!

Necs and Sorcs both RULE alrite?

[Dark Knight]

*Sigh*

DONT BYPASS THE WORD FILTER.

...How many times. :hanky:

[Mehatesmaphack]

A lot of essays coming from death on dark wings telling us how cheating is honorable.

[Dutchgrass]

Personally I think that someone's tendency to cheat/hack is also connected to the severity of the consequences, other than just someone's character. When cheating/hacking at D2 there is indeed a (small) chance of getting banned, but it's unlikely that will happen right away, if it happens at all. Sure, you might lose some items when they poof, you could be banned and people will shout and curse at you when you're dueling in a BM way, but that won't repel most cheaters.

But would these people still do so if the repercussions would be swift and harsh? Would you still duel in a cheap way if your opponent was actually sitting next to you, being able to kick you in the shins when you absorb or nk them? Would you still use maphack or aa if it meant a ban within the hour? I remember the old days when someone using overpowered Guile and his cheeky Sonic Boom->throw bit (SF2 for you young ones), ran the risk of getting into a fight for being a cheater. That's a swift reaction which would deter people from using lame tactics.
I'd rejoice if nobody would use cheats, hacks or dupes, and everyone would be a GM dueler. But since we're all safely tucked away behind a computer and a nickname, miles apart from each other, people with a tendency towards cheating will simply do so, just because they can. After all, it's still a game without any real-life consequenses. (Other than perhaps, when banned, actually having spare time for other things :thumbsup: But that wouldn't really be a bad thing I suppose.) I guess in the end, it's all a matter of integrity.

To be a little on topic, Venomancer all the way versus Eshield sorc, like Necrochild313 already pointed out. Since Nova will bypass Eshield completely and most Eshield sorcs have relatively low life, it's not uncommon to drain their life in 1 hit (unless they use something like Death's Hand and stack poison resist). Mine is somewhat of a hybrid, and I find him the most fun character to duel with in general, due to the relatively large amount of different skills involved. They might not be top of the line regarding win ratio versus all classes, but it's still only a game, and I play it to have fun.


PS. $200 for virtual items? Come on Death, you could have spent that on all four Futurama seasons...

[Pherdnut]

It comes down to this. You are using non-Diablo skills to get an advantage. The fact that you can just hack yourself an item completely takes the excitement out of the time and effort it took to get something cool for anybody else. And sure it's not easy to hack but it still creates an unlevel playing field for people without those skills. Outside of learning not to be a git to people (which doesn't come easy to many), the game isn't about your RL skills or lack thereof. At higher levels, Diablo II is as much the community and people skills as it is knowing how to build a strong character. I've found that there are a lot of pricks out there, but there are plenty of cool folks that will be generous in trades or drops to help somebody out in need. I pulled a latenighter one night and was amazed at how generous some of the pros could be.

It really blows my mind how acquisitive people get in this game. Sure, there are certain items that are ideal, but you get one grade lower than that and people get an inferiority complex. If there is ever another version update, I think Blizzard needs to try to make more items in the top ranking that are a little more competitive with each other. It gets a little silly when everybody wears the same ugly hat.

[Jek]

I just want to know what a brain-boosting drug is, food? ;)

Seriously tho, I doubt a PnB necro would be able to kill a well-played, defensive ES sorc, Warmth would refill the blue ball if you ever hit an attack. PNova would be the easiest way to win, or maybe revive some manaburn mobs? ;)

[Final]

Ok look lets all just ignore this thread from now on (or just get dk to close it) its getting realy annoying comeing in this form and seeing people get all mad cause this...Person... keeps refering to hacked items. Repeat ignore this thread or pm dk to close it.
-Final

[theBlackKnight]

Dang, nice speach there death on dark wings, perhaps dark knight would be so kind as to get it up as a guest article?

[soulesschild]

he would get flamed so badly....

[KillaBrothers]

I've already issued a challenge to a member in the sorceress forum, but that's on USWest. You guys from USEast should really arrange your duels.
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As for hacked items, as long as they remain 'legally accepted' -- not banned by Blizzard, the only setback... bla bla bla... jab jab jab...

Those ideas about hacked items and stuff... Maaaaaaan...!!! I don't mean to insult U - but that's Bu**Sh**! It's a game - not a brach of phylosophy science. The games has rules - the one who wins a duel within the bounds of these rules is a winner (duuuuuh....). Everything that goes out of the limits - is concidered to be cheating. Ir rules has some bugs in it - oh well, but cheating and dupping... damn I HATE THAT S***. And it's not a question who can (I mean kows how to - or is able to) do this or not.

My bottom line is - cheating is bad !!!

come on - when U play chess U don't just go kicking oponent's king figure of the board screaming ''I win - U loose !!!''... Think about it for a minute.

(pardon my french)

cheers mate!

[Evil_Kroki]

come on - when U play chess U don't just go kicking oponent's king figure of the board screaming ''I win - U loose !!!''...
I think, the way Death on Dark Wings sees it:
Why can't he win like that, he puts effort in kicking the the figure so he should get rewarded for his effort :D

[Mehatesmaphack]

Personally I think that someone's tendency to cheat/hack is also connected to the severity of the consequences, other than just someone's character. When cheating/hacking at D2 there is indeed a (small) chance of getting banned, but it's unlikely that will happen right away, if it happens at all. Sure, you might lose some items when they poof, you could be banned and people will shout and curse at you when you're dueling in a BM way, but that won't repel most cheaters.

But would these people still do so if the repercussions would be swift and harsh? Would you still duel in a cheap way if your opponent was actually sitting next to you, being able to kick you in the shins when you absorb or nk them? Would you still use maphack or aa if it meant a ban within the hour? I remember the old days when someone using overpowered Guile and his cheeky Sonic Boom->throw bit (SF2 for you young ones), ran the risk of getting into a fight for being a cheater. That's a swift reaction which would deter people from using lame tactics.
I'd rejoice if nobody would use cheats, hacks or dupes, and everyone would be a GM dueler. But since we're all safely tucked away behind a computer and a nickname, miles apart from each other, people with a tendency towards cheating will simply do so, just because they can. After all, it's still a game without any real-life consequenses. (Other than perhaps, when banned, actually having spare time for other things :thumbsup: But that wouldn't really be a bad thing I suppose.) I guess in the end, it's all a matter of integrity.

To be a little on topic, Venomancer all the way versus Eshield sorc, like Necrochild313 already pointed out. Since Nova will bypass Eshield completely and most Eshield sorcs have relatively low life, it's not uncommon to drain their life in 1 hit (unless they use something like Death's Hand and stack poison resist). Mine is somewhat of a hybrid, and I find him the most fun character to duel with in general, due to the relatively large amount of different skills involved. They might not be top of the line regarding win ratio versus all classes, but it's still only a game, and I play it to have fun.


PS. $200 for virtual items? Come on Death, you could have spent that on all four Futurama seasons...

if you are an upper teen or grown man and feel the need to cheat on a simple computer game like d2 and then defend cheating,you are either ******** or sad as hell.

[Dutchgrass]

if you are an upper teen or grown man and feel the need to cheat on a simple computer game like d2 and then defend cheating,you are either ******** or sad as hell.

Heh, that's what I was trying to say in a little less crude way.