Technical Bowazon Questions...

[sk8brdnick]

I have two somewhat technical questions regarding the bowazon I'm constructing. Hopefully someone here can enlighten me...

1. I have 4 legit 15ias/3X%dmg jewels and was wondering about the most effective method to use them.

Windforce has 250% dmg and a large amount of dmg per lvl. If I socket a %dmg jewel into WF will it boost the 250% dmg or will it boost the 250% dmg and the dmg per lvl? It if only boosts the 250% dmg then it may be more effective to socket the jewel outside the bow so that it can boost both the 250% dmg and dmg per lvl. Does anyone know how the dmg boost works and have they run calculations?

Does my question make sense? If not I will attempt to state it more clearly.

2. I read here that multi shot no longer administers CB very efficiently. It seems that the %chance for CB is heavily nerfed with MS. Have the OW and MS combination been similarly nerfed? Also, what is the nerf for OW on missile attacks?

[Liessa Wyrmbane]

1) It will be added to the 250%ed and it boost the weapon's base damage. For example 35%ed jewel would boost Windforce's damage by 3-23 (3 to min and 23 to max).

2) Only the two center arrows of MS volley can trigger CB and OW and other effects.

[sasja]

Liessa Wyrmbane already answered the questions, but let me expand a little on the "ed in weapon or armor" question. The average physical damage from a bow can be calculated like this:

Damage = (BD * (1 + EDw) + MD/2) * (1 + dex/100 + EDa + EDs) * M

BD: Average Base Damage, depending only on the weapon type - a Hydra Bow has an average base damage of 39.
EDw: Enhanced Damage on the weapon, either build in or from a socketable
MD: Plus to minimum or maximum damage from any source - divided by two to give the average value
EDa: Enhanced damage from other sources than the weapon
EDs: Enhanced damage from skill - for MS it's nothing, for Strafe it depends on the skill level
M: A special modifier, 0.75 for both Strafe and MS

Ok, as you can see the formula consists of two multiplicands - which one to add to for optimal results depends on their relative size. The higher your dex, the better it pays to socket ed in the weapon - but the higher the weapon's inherent ed and +min/max dam, the better it pays to socket it elsewhere. When using Strafe, where EDs > 0 that counts in favor of socketing in the weapon, too. The Windforce has an obscene amount of +max dam, so unless you're a Strafeazon with an extremely high dex, a Windyzon would usually find socketing the armor most helpful. But run your own numbers, and find out the optimum for you.

[luis19]

Put those jewels in a lite elite armor of the whale/stab/nirvana
resell for a huge profit.
then trade for the regular 16060 armor

[sasja]

Put those jewels in a lite elite armor of the whale/stab/nirvana
resell for a huge profit.
then trade for the regular 16060 armor
You recommend trading away the legit gear he has to buy dupes? Not good advice in my book - post reported.

[MarkRenton]

you can always buy my armor which is for sale LOL

4 os jeweler archon of squid 76 life 491 def

[Shanksie1337]

@sasja - with the greatest respect i think you need to calm down on the whole dupe thing and leave the "report post" button alone. Yes you can't physically trade duped charms/jewel/items on these forums. But mentioning them, or even talking about trading them is completely harmless. People can and will trade elsewhere, and it's expected that they do if they want such items. As 95% of all guides mention something that is likely to be duped you could take this theory of yours and report almost every guide on these forums, plus every thread that has HR's or high end RW's on them. But that as you can imagine is totally pointless, so ppl stick with the general rule that you can pretty much say what you like, but u can't actually attempt to trade them via these boards.

Just because you can't trade them on these boards it's very naive to try and pretend they don't exist. The problem with these boards in general is the duplicity of being able to trade HR's/RW's, but not being able to trade the other common dupes. Personally i don't care who uses what on bnet, i don't use any duped sc's/jewel's but i do have a few of the better RW's and if ppl want to use dupes then let them it is after all a game they paid for and so they can play it how they see fit.

"DNT List (general, Ladder AND No-ladder)

Any hacked item.
Any bugged item. This includes Zod bugged items.
Any duped item."

I am sure ppl find as many HR's as they do 40/15's, 290's etc but i don't make the rules i just follw them. Maybe a more realistic rule would be "No runes above Gul" aswell as the usual charms etc but that would probably kill trading, esp on NL.

Tbh my rant is pointless as ppl have differing views on what is "legal" and what is "forbidden". I trade on these boards and i abide by the rules, but reporting every possible thread that in could someway be interpreted as promoting dupes is not the way to go.

[luis19]

Seriously, I should really report sajas for harrasing me about dupes. I'm not trading nor am I telling people how to dupe. Read the rules, I didn't break any of them.

Also read what shank said. You seem completely ignorant of the fact that nearly every pvp guide reccomends the use of botds/hotos, socketing stuff with highrunes/perf jewels. Quit it with the double standard. If you don't like "dupes" thats fine, but honestly I could care less.