First part of my zeal barb guide(0.1)

[jordy666]

introduction.

Hi everybody :howdy: , this is my first attempt of a guide so plz point out the typos and suggestions.
Im jordy and i enjoy playing unusual builds and trying out new stuff, after my furysin, melee sorc and my druid hunter, i tried the passion wielding barb aka zeal-barb

a few words on the zeal-barb
a zealbarb is very limited in his weapon choice, too be perfectly honest he only has 1 choice the runeword ‘passion’ but it can be made in every kind of weapon(see the weapon suggestions).

Advantages - 4 or 5 frames per attack depending on weapon choice and gear
- Lots of Skills to chose from
- the attack speed of a frenzy
- the safety of a good shield
- Inexpensive
- Lots of crushing blow and deadly strike
- its a ****load of fun :D
- max block

Disadvantages
The disadvantages are :
- not really pvp valiable
- the need for atleast +2 to all skill
- limited in weapon choice
- u wont do 5k or 1 hit kill lister in hell or even NM.
-hit change to flee

attributes :
Your attributes should be fit to suit your gear. These are though the listed attributes for the gear I have selected to use.
- Strength : enough for gear
- Dexterity : enough for max block
- Vitality : everything else
- Energy : nothing, base

skill layout.
Because you wont have to max any combat skill 20 points become free.
Basic:
-20 battle orders: for the immense life, mana and stamina boost.
-20 shout: for the immense defence boost and boost the beserk dmg
-20 weapon mastery: boost AR, DMG and gives a chance of critical dmg
-1 battle command: boost all your skills by 1, even zeal.
-1 taunt : because passion has 25% change of flee u need this to call those minions of hell back to you.
-1 battle cry: lowers enemy defence and their dmg.
-1+ warcy: stuns the monsters around, they cant attack or run from you, more point mean more stun duration.
-1 natural res: raises res, your natural high skill levels boost this into the dimminishing returns, meaning putting points in here doesnt help out, much.

Gear.

Weapon: passion:
+25% Increased Attack Speed
+160-210% Enhanced Damage
50-80% Bonus To Attack Rating (varies)
+75% Damage To Undead
+50 To Attack Rating Against Undead
Adds 1-50 Lightning Damage
+1 To Berserk
+1 To Zeal
Hit Blinds Target +10
Hit Causes Monster To Flee 25%
75% Extra Gold From Monsters
Level 3 Heart of Wolverine (12 Charges)
the underlined parts are the annoying things about it, overriding battle cry and curses from friendly nec’s.
But in what weapon?
Passion in a mace : (assuming perfect roll)
Scourge 9 to 247 (128 Avg) base speed = -10
Legendary Mallet: 155 to 189 (172 Avg) base speed = 20
Caduceus 114 to 133 (123 Avg) base speed = -10

Passion in a sword : (assuming perfect roll)
Phase blade 96 to 108 (102 Avg) base speed = -30
Cryptic sword 15 to 238 (126 Avg) base speed = -10
Conquest sword 114 to 164 (139 Avg) base speed = 0
2 handed swords wielded 1 handed.
Highland blade 68 to 192 ( 130 Avg) base speed = -5
Balrog blade 46 to 232 (139 Avg) base speed = 0
Champion Sword 74 to 167 (120 Avg) base speed = -10
Colossus Sword 80 to 217 (148 Avg) base speed = 10
Colossus Blade 77 to 201.5 (139 Avg) base speed = 5

Amount of ias needed per base speed, for 4 fpa and 5 fpa
-30 needs 47 more ias for 4 fpa and is 5 fpa without any outside ias
-10 needs 42 more ias for 5 fpa and 142 ias for 4 fpa
0 needs needs 38 ias for 5 fpa
5 i dont know yet
10 same
20 needs 29 ias for 6 fpa zeal and 100 ias, so lets not talk about 4 fpa

input, spelling help, calculation help wanted, critic other than "omg u guide r teh suXXorz" and build a WW barb noob.
other gear suggestion, strategy and other stuff is under construction

-jordy :king:

[rikstaker]

*I can sense you shivering* :evil:
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Great work so far Jordy :thumbsup:

Some tips:

1. You will have to tackle the skepticism.Give details of your own barb & provide some mathematical justification for the viability of your build.Give some numbers on damage over time & compare those with other barb skills,so readers get a clear picture of the performance. Gui can help you with that.I can too, I'll try to find some time.
2. You will need some indepth analysis of gear,when you add the section.
3. Some notes & tips on chance to cast items amp in particular,since it can work well with zeal.
4. Warcry wont be a bad idea-since skillpoints arent a problem-it provides safety,nullifies monster block & grants free hits,well suited for zealarain (you can use that name) since stunned enemies are that much more easier to take out,hit recovery wont be a problem as well.Plus stunned enemies cant flee .In effect it eliminates the major drawback with passion.So Max bo, warcry, mastery, shout, rest into iron skin is a good altenate setup.
5. You can add a separate 2handed section..sniff out the ias issues with that.
6. Its best to avoid sarcasm in guide..What does underlining hit blinds target & causes monsters to flee mean? You can confuse people there.Avoid using words like ****load.

I like the way you spelled out the advantages & disadvantages in a fair manner,plus the weapon details you provided are helpful.The build seems somewhat underrated & I think it can work better than people think.

No sarcasm intended & I cant help you much with typos & spelling. :p

Rik :cheesy:

[Zangeif]

If he's for pvp, you can use an item with charges of zeal instead of passion runeword.

[Sharaz]

passion is actually a pretty cool runeword, one of my new favs. i actually hadnt thought about making it in a sword tho, ive made 2 or 3 from colosus voulges for my mercs, and they have come out with 450-500ish dmg.

but bang for the buck, Dol + Ort + Eld + Lem are easy to come by.

[KryptMaker]

Questions:
1) Why no calculations for axes? There are some potential candidates there.
2) Is Berserk being synergized by Howl and Shout? (When dealing with physical immunes.)
3) Your experience so far?
4) I'll wait until you've further fleshed out your guide.

Good job so far! :thumbsup:

Calculation for Chance to Blind (I'll leave this to the number crunchers.):
Hit Blinds Target
Decreases radius of awareness similar to the Necromancer Curse: Dim Vision.
The formula is as follows:

Chance = 50 + (Attacker Level + (Bonus * 4) - Defender Level) * 5
Where the bonus is how many items of hit blinds target the character has -1. Some items have something like hit blinds target +2, which means they count as 2 items for the bonus calculation. Missile Attacks are at 1/3 this chance.

The level of Dim Vision that's cast on the target is equal to (Chance - Roll)/5+1, max of 20.

[jordy666]

updated, added equipment, hal cant you edit this into the first post? :scratch:
introduction.

Hi everybody :howdy: , this is my first attempt of a guide so plz point out the typos and suggestions.
Im jordy and i enjoy playing unusual builds and trying out new stuff, after my furysin, melee sorc and my druid hunter, i tried the passion wielding barb aka zeal-barb

a few words on the zeal-barb a few words on the zeal-barb
we all know the whirlwinding barbarians spinning fierce and doing damage all around, the speed of a frenzy barb running around all charged up, the massive dmg and defence of the Concentrate barbarian, a wolfbarb all raged up, and of course the barb who does massive magic damage at the cost of his own defence.
And somewhere in between, a barbarian runs around swinging as fast as in a frenzy but with the comfort of a shield, the zealbarb.
A zealbarb is very limited in his weapon choice, too be perfectly honest he only has 1 choice the runeword ‘passion’ but it can be made in every kind of weapon(see the weapon suggestions).


Advantages - 4 or 5 frames per attack depending on weapon choice and gear
- Lots of Skills to chose from
- the attack speed of a frenzy
- the safety of a good shield
- Inexpensive
- Lots of crushing blow and deadly strike
- its a boatload of fun :D
- max block

Disadvantages
The disadvantages are :
- not really pvp valiable
- the need for atleast +2 to all skill
- limited in weapon choice
- u wont do 5k or 1 hit kill lister in hell or even NM.
-hit change to flee

attributes :
Your attributes should be fit to suit your gear. These are though the listed attributes for the gear I have selected to use.
- Strength : enough for gear
- Dexterity : enough for max block
- Vitality : everything else
- Energy : nothing, base

skill layout.
Because you wont have to max any combat skill 20 points become free.
Basic:
-20 battle orders: for the immense life, mana and stamina boost.
-20 shout: for the immense defence boost and boost the beserk dmg
-20 weapon mastery: boost AR, DMG and gives a chance of critical dmg
-1 battle command: boost all your skills by 1, even zeal.
-1 taunt : because passion has 25% change of flee u need this to call those minions of hell back to you.
-1 battle cry: lowers enemy defence and their dmg.
-1+ warcy: stuns the monsters around, they cant attack or run from you, more point mean more stun duration.
-1 natural res: raises res, your natural high skill levels boost this into the dimminishing returns, meaning putting points in here doesnt help out, much.

Gear.

Weapon: passion:
+25% Increased Attack Speed
+160-210% Enhanced Damage
50-80% Bonus To Attack Rating (varies)
+75% Damage To Undead
+50 To Attack Rating Against Undead
Adds 1-50 Lightning Damage
+1 To Berserk
+1 To Zeal
Hit Blinds Target +10
Hit Causes Monster To Flee 25%
75% Extra Gold From Monsters
Level 3 Heart of Wolverine (12 Charges)

Hit Blinds Target
Decreases radius of awareness similar to the Necromancer Curse: Dim Vision.
The formula is as follows:

Chance = 50 + (Attacker Level + (Bonus * 4) - Defender Level) * 5
Where the bonus is how many items of hit blinds target the character has -1. Some items have something like hit blinds target +2, which means they count as 2 items for the bonus calculation. Missile Attacks are at 1/3 this chance. The level of Dim Vision that's cast on the target is equal to (Chance - Roll)/5+1, max of 20.

Hit Causes Monster To Flee 25%
Frightens monsters into retreating. 25%

Those two are the annoying things about passion, overriding battle cry and curses from friendly nec’s, but trowing in a warcry stuns the monster, so they wont run away far, and if they do you can use taunt so they come walking right into your sword.
So its probaly clearly now that we are gonna use a passion runeword.
But in what weapon?
Passion in a mace : (assuming perfect roll)
Scourge 9 to 247 (128 Avg) base speed = -10
Legendary Mallet: 155 to 189 (172 Avg) base speed = 20
Caduceus 114 to 133 (123 Avg) base speed = -10

Passion in a sword : (assuming perfect roll)
Phase blade 96 to 108 (102 Avg) base speed = -30
Cryptic sword 15 to 238 (126 Avg) base speed = -10
Conquest sword 114 to 164 (139 Avg) base speed = 0
2 handed swords wielded 1 handed.
Highland blade 68 to 192 ( 130 Avg) base speed = -5
Balrog blade 46 to 232 (139 Avg) base speed = 0
Champion Sword 74 to 167 (120 Avg) base speed = -10
Colossus Sword 80 to 217 (148 Avg) base speed = 10
Colossus Blade 77 to 201.5 (139 Avg) base speed = 5

Passion in a axe : (assuming perfect roll)
Small Crescent 117 to 186 (151 Avg) base speed = 10
Ettin Axe 102 to 204 (153 Avg) base speed = 10
War Spike 93 to 148 (120 Avg) base speed = -10
Berserker Axe 74 to 220 (147.5 Avg) base speed = 0


Amount of ias needed per base speed, for 4 fpa and 5 fpa
-30 needs 47 more ias for 4 fpa and is 5 fpa without any outside ias
-10 needs 42 more ias for 5 fpa and 142 ias for 4 fpa
0 needs needs 38 ias for 5 fpa
5 i dont know yet
10 same
20 needs 29 ias for 6 fpa zeal and 100 ias, so lets not talk about 4 fpa
the beserk that is gained from the passion runeword is synrgized by shout and howl.
that sums it up for the weapons.

Armors:
-spirit shroud: offering +1 skill, cannot be frozen, somewhat low defence but nothing a lem + ko + p- diamond cant fix.
-skin of the vipermagi: offering +1 skill, 20 to 35 res all, 30 fast cast rate to help with the casting of warcry, should be upped when you reach lvl requirements
- Spirit Forge: giving massive life, 2 sockets for ias/enchanted damage jewels, some fire dmg, again should be upped if u plan on using this for a long period of time.
-duriels shell: giving nice res, cannot be frozen, adds lots of life, upp it when you can.
- Arkaine's Valor: giving +1/2 skill thus helping your zeal AR/DMG, massive defence.
- Leviathan: super high defence, adds lots of STR, some dmg reduce by %, but its green.
- Naj's Light Plate- giving +1 to all skill, res all, and with dmg goes to mana you wont need mana leech.

Helm:
- Guillaume’s Face: 35 crushing blow, 15 deadly strike and +15 str
- Arreat’s face: +2 barb skill, +20 STR +20 DEX 30% extra attack ratting, life leech and 30 fast hit recovery.
- Peasant Crown; giving +1 to all skill, fast run/walk, +10 NRG/+10 VIT
- Harlequin Crest: gives +2 to all skill, massive life and mana boots, and dmg reduced by 10%
- Andariel’s Visage gives +2 to all skill, adds life leech, and 20 ias.
- Crown of Ages: gives +1 to all skill, 1/2 sockets, res all, Faster Hit Recovery, and dmg reduced by %.

Shields:
-Stormshield, high defence, high cold/lighting res, 35% dmg reduced and +30 STR
- Spirit Ward- res all, ctc fade(gives lots of resistance) cold absorb.
- Moser's Blessed Circle: socketed with 2 eld runes for block, 2 P diamonds for massive res, could be upgraded.
- Gerke’s Sanctuary- good/fast block, straight psycal/magic dmg reduced, res all 30-40%.

Gloves:
-Dracul’s Grasp: gives open wounds, life leech, life after kill and ctc lifetap that makes you practically immortal, aslong as you keep swinging.
- Lava Gout: fire dmg, ctc enchant, 20 ias.
- Bloodfist: 10 ias, +40 life, 30% Faster Hit Recovery and 10 ias, should be upped at least once for more defence and style points.
- IK gloves: +20 STR/DEX (used with belt grants 25 ias and 50 AR)
- sigon’s gloves: 20 AR and + 10 STR (used with boots or belt for 10 life leech and 30 ias)

Belts:
- nightsmoke: res all 10, 50% dmg goes to mana upped for more potion rows
- goldwrap: 10 ias upped for def and a extra row op potions.
- String of Ears: life leech, magic, Damage Reduced By 10-15% Magic Damage Reduced 10-15.
- Thundergod’s Vigor: adds +20 Lightning Absorb, 10% To Maximum Lightning Resist, +20 STR and VIT.
- Nosferatu’s Coil: ias, lifeleech, slow, +15 to STR
- Arachnid Mesh: if you lack that +1 skill for 5 hit zeal, fcr to boost the casting of warcry.
-sigon’s belt: +20 life, 20 fire res(used with gloves 30 ias and 10 life leech)
- IK belt: +25 STR, 31 lighting res, 28 fire res( combined with gloves for 25 ias)

Boots:
-Goblin toe: +25 crushing blow, upped for more defence
- Gore Rider: 30% Faster Run/Walk, 10% Chance Of Open Wounds, 15% Chance Of Crushing Blow
15% Deadly Strike
- War Traveler: 25% Faster Run/Walk +10 VIT/STR, Adds 15-25 Damage.
-Sigons boots: 20 faster run/walk, 40 cold res (combined with gloves 30 ias and 10 lifeleech.

Amulets:
- Highlord’s Wrath: deadly strike by lvl, 15 ias, and +1 skill, the perfect amulet for a zeal-barb
- Mara’s Kaleidoscope: +2 skill to help zeal dmg/ AR, res all.

input, spelling help, calculation help wanted, critic other than "omg u guide r teh suXXorz" and build a WW barb noob.
Strategy and other stuff is under construction

-jordy :king:

[skygoneblue]

I had a wild idea...

What if you were to invest a point into Leap Attack and try using this char for PvP? It kinda came to me from thinking about Charge Paladins, only it would be a bit slower. No one would see it coming! :lol:

Leap to em, Zeal em, call em a noob!

Maybe not the last part... ;)

[jordy666]

when u target and leap the target is gone, i tried :lol:
i heard that leap attack was bugged and only did 1% of the damage :scratch: .
so just zeal and then call em noobs :wink2:

-jordy :king:

[KryptMaker]

So what the key items we're looking for in his gear? Is this the type of barb a poorman can easily access? What kind of properties are we focussing on when creating this character? (Crushing Blow, Open Wounds, Elemental Damage, Raw Physical Damage, etc)

You said that he probably won't be a one hit killer, so I'm guessing, we're aiming to get +all skills to get him to the point were he'll have either a level 4 or 5 zeal. Then we're optimizing for CB and OW? I'm thinking that his gear may be slightly similar to the Freezadin.

Well, I'll check later tonight. My working day is done. WooHoo!!

[jordy666]

so much work to be done, so little time.
the next version, if ever will hopefully contain everything.
can somebody leave more feedback, i want this to be a guide to be reckoned with :uhhuh:
@ Kryptmaker thanks for suggestions i will certainly add poormans choice, stategy, what to look, what i use etc....
-jordy :king:
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thnx for rikstaker who inspired me beyond belief :worship:

[rikstaker]

No thanx for me..... :hanky:

Rik :cheesy:

[chaliban]

I haven't built one of these yet but have been thinking about it for a long time, and even moreso after I found Highlord's this morning.

I think you really need to stress that you need to get +2 all skills so you can get Zeal to slvl4 (including BCommand).

Armour you might consider is "Duress" runeword. It has resists, CB and OW.

The Drac's are OK, but Lifetap will get overridden a lot by fleeing monsters and blinded monsters. Another option maybe Laying of Hands for the IAS. I thought of it because I was thinking of using Andy's.

Where would your points go? This build is finished at about 65 in terms of skill points. Warcry? (since 1+ is written) Could make a good FI barb.

How do we level until "passion"?

Hope that helps. and...

My proposed gear would look like this, with stuff I have:

"Passion" phase blade
Andy's Visage
Moser's with 2 Pdiamonds (Stormshield)
Highlords
Laying of Hands
IK belt
"Duress" armour
Gore Riders
Ravenfrost
another ring with ll probably.

That gets me to 5-hit 4-frame zeal. Good resists. CB, DS, OW at respectable levels. Life leech only from Andy's. No mana leech but zeal only costs 2 mana and blue pots abound. Not sure how it would work, but hope it helps.

Obviously, this isn't the only way to do it but it is relatively cheap. Nothing that you can't get with Pgems. Um rune most expensive for armour.

[jordy666]

I haven't built one of these yet but have been thinking about it for a long time, and even moreso after I found Highlord's this morning.

I think you really need to stress that you need to get +2 all skills so you can get Zeal to slvl4 (including BCommand).
il stress it some more :lol:
Armour you might consider is "Duress" runeword. It has resists, CB and OW.
havent really looked to all the runewords, besides passion.
the next version will probaly include all the runeword usefull, like delerium, lore, nigma, coh, duress, stone etc.
The Drac's are OK, but Lifetap will get overridden a lot by fleeing monsters and blinded monsters. Another option maybe Laying of Hands for the IAS. I thought of it because I was thinking of using Andy's.
true, but draculs also has leech and life after kill, so ctc lifetap isnt needed much, it handy though.
LoH will be included.
Where would your points go? This build is finished at about 65 in terms of skill points. Warcry? (since 1+ is written) Could make a good FI barb.
FI would help, but i doubt this is a valiable mf build.

How do we level until "passion"?
leech, 1 point in bash

Hope that helps. and...
thnx :thumbsup:
My proposed gear would look like this, with stuff I have:

"Passion" phase blade
Andy's Visage
Moser's with 2 Pdiamonds (Stormshield)
Highlords
Laying of Hands
IK belt
"Duress" armour
Gore Riders
Ravenfrost
another ring with ll probably.
i use:
"Passion" balrog blade
Guillaume’s Face (gonna be umed or shaeled)
gerke's sactuary with Pdiamond
Highlords
IK gloves
IK belt
upped vipermagi
Gore Riders
Ravenfrost
life leech, res, + min dmg ring
i have 5 fpa zeal 5 hits, enough CB/DS near max res

[KryptMaker]

For leveling, it'll be painfully slow if you're playing untwinked. If you can get a rush, then you're in luck. For those that can't get a rush, but can be twinked, I'd suggest the following items.
Khalim's Will at level 1.
Death's Set at level 6. (If you meet the reqs.) (Dual Death's Touch would probably be best.)
Holy Thunder at level 21. The elemental damage should be enough to help you crawl to level 43, the minimum level for Passion.
Dual Bloodletters? Not sure if they'll do more damage than dual Holy Thunders. (Somone know?)
In your 30s try to upgrade to "glowing" weapons. (121-180 Max lit damage)
I used the above to level some of my zons until I could use Titans since I didn't have any other weapons to get me there. (Naturally I couldn't use dual weapons.)
Not sure if other people have better recommendations to ease the pain of solo leveling.

Besides, this'll save you that point in Bash. Bash'll only be really useful in the beginning. After that, it's a waste of a point.

[rikstaker]

A question for you Jordy.

I have no experience with 'unusual' builds :p,so can you confirm if the berzerk you get on passion receives the synergy damage from shout.....

Rik :cheesy:

edit: I think it does. :lol:
edit2:It would be better if u confirm it though... :uhhuh:

[jordy666]

beserk gained from passion runeword recieves synrg's from howl and shout.

-jordy :king:

[Herald of Doom]

beserk gained from passion runeword recieves synrg's from howl and shout.

-jordy :king:
Which is why he said "only 1 in bash for early lvl's". So with passion you get both a physical and a magical attack, which is why I don't totally hate it, despite it having sucky dmg and blind.

HoD

[rikstaker]

Come on HoD,Jordy deserves some input from you...thats not what I call an input.I hope your distraction has weared off. :lol:

Rik :cheesy:

[Herald of Doom]

Come on HoD,Jordy deserves some input from you...thats not what I call an input.I hope your distraction has weared off. :lol:

Rik :cheesy:
Well, call me crazy, but I'm not a big fan of the zealbarb. Furysin, OK, fine. Droodhunter, I can live with that. But zeal isn't really a good attack skill, it needs a paladins aura (fanat for the standard zealot, convic for the ele zealot) to work. I dunno, maybe it's because i'm a barb and paladin fan, and I don't want to see them butchered into an evil combination :D
About the positive input, I've played with a zealbarb, but for like5 minutes, so I'm not experienced enough for any serious input ;)

HoD

[jordy666]

just beg at the etf team for a passion and start :thumbsup:
so you can say something semi helpfull. :uhhuh:
or you could try on SP

-jordy :king:
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pala's have aura's
barbs have warcry and battle orders

[Herald of Doom]

1)just beg at the etf team for a passion and start :thumbsup:


2)pala's have aura's
barbs have warcry and battle orders
1) I'll just haxor your acc and take your passion BB !
2)Barbs warcries are defensive, pala's aura's enhance your offensive. Fanat gives extra dmg, ar and speed, and convic gives extra ele dmg andless defense for monsters(even better than more AR). So, even though you're very tough, you don't have much offensive capacity.

I'm not saying you shouldn't make a zealbarb, I'm just saying they're a disgrace for every decent barb and pala ! :D

HoD

[jordy666]

1) I'll just haxor your acc and take your passion BB !
2)Barbs warcries are defensive, pala's aura's enhance your offensive. Fanat gives extra dmg, ar and speed, and convic gives extra ele dmg andless defense for monsters(even better than more AR). So, even though you're very tough, you don't have much offensive capacity.

I'm not saying you shouldn't make a zealbarb, I'm just saying they're a disgrace for every decent barb and pala ! :D

HoD
didnt i beat your avenger :wink2:
the warcry part is true, but with enough crushing blow you can reduce the life of every enemy to shivers in a few zeals, the final part just takes awhile :grrr:

-jordy :king:

[Herald of Doom]

didnt i beat your avenger
the warcry part is true, but with enough crushing blow you can reduce the life of every enemy to shivers in a few zeals, the final part just takes awhile

-jordy
Well, suuure you beat my avenger. He doesn't hit the breakpoint, he has some negative resists, 900 life, and a crappy 6fps vengeance :p. He's like the worst build avenger ever (I refused to read guides and ask advice :D). And yes, CB helps a lot, but those final moments.... ::shivers::

PS: Stop using so much smileys, I have to edit your post before I can quote you, and I'm too lazy to do that every time >.<

HoD

[jordy666]

Well, suuure you beat my avenger. He doesn't hit the breakpoint, he has some negative resists, 900 life, and a crappy 6fps vengeance :p. He's like the worst build avenger ever (I refused to read guides and ask advice ).

HoD
i rest my case (lyer) (http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=244418&highlight=avenger) :lol:
but lets not drift off topic,
back to the matter at hand ZealBarbs :worship:

-jordy :king:

[Herald of Doom]

i rest my case (lyer) (http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=244418&highlight=avenger)
but lets not drift off topic,
back to the matter at hand ZealBarbs :

-jordy
oh yes, I did ask. Then I completely ignored the poor guy :DI didn't use any calculator, I ignored his gear setup advices. :lol:

I lurve OT ! Anyobdy seen any good movies lately?

PS: I had to edit AGAIN! Stop the smiley abuse !

HoD

[jordy666]

I lurve OT ! Anybody seen any good movies lately?

PS: I had to edit AGAIN! Stop the smiley abuse !

HoD
u lurve OT?, than ask halciet to make a offical OT thread.
and let this thread be Zealbarb open for zealbarb suggestion :lol:

-jordy :king:

[LeTHaL_BaNaNa]

did you consider wielding passion in one hand, and a botd in the other? does pretty nice dmg (3k-ish iirc), but you lose the shield :(

lol, or a beast for fana too :D

[jordy666]

well u can put zeal in your other hand and botd, other weapons in your other hand, but i have no idea what the ias breakpoints are. :scratch:

-jordy :king:

[LeTHaL_BaNaNa]

probably the same as one-handed zeal :)

[mstrnicegui]

How does that work? I'm assuming that zeal can only attack using one weapon, even if dual wielding. Are you saying that if you dual wield, you can use the zeal attack from passion with the weapon in your other hand if you're careful about how you equip them?

[jordy666]

How does that work? I'm assuming that zeal can only attack using one weapon, even if dual wielding. Are you saying that if you dual wield, you can use the zeal attack from passion with the weapon in your other hand if you're careful about how you equip them?
you have to equip the weapon you want to zeal with first, be it botd, cresent moon, stormlash etc..
then equip the passion in your other hand, and select zeal.
but i have no idea how the ias breakpoints are.

-jordy :king:

[alfiepies]

Amount of ias needed per base speed, for 4 fpa and 5 fpa
-30 needs 47 more ias for 4 fpa and is 5 fpa without any outside ias
-10 needs 42 more ias for 5 fpa and 142 ias for 4 fpa
0 needs needs 38 ias for 5 fpa
5 i dont know yet
10 same
20 needs 29 ias for 6 fpa zeal and 100 ias, so lets not talk about 4 fpa
the beserk that is gained from the passion runeword is synrgized by shout and howl.
that sums it up for the weapons.


Does this include the 25 ias that you get on the weapon or not?
Thanks - looks fun

[jordy666]

Amount of ias needed per base speed, for 4 fpa and 5 fpa
-30 needs 47 more ias for 4 fpa and is 5 fpa without any outside ias
-10 needs 42 more ias for 5 fpa and 142 ias for 4 fpa
0 needs needs 38 ias for 5 fpa
5 i dont know yet
10 same
20 needs 29 ias for 6 fpa zeal and 100 ias, so lets not talk about 4 fpa
the beserk that is gained from the passion runeword is synrgized by shout and howl.
that sums it up for the weapons.


Does this include the 25 ias that you get on the weapon or not?
Thanks - looks fun
yes it does include the 25 ias gained from passsion.
and yes it is fun :thumbsup:

-jordy :king: