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Should I up my normal Titans (193%ed) or simply use a TS? Heard that TS is good for PvP. Does it really work better than an Eth Titans or a normal upped Titans?
mgill1772
29-09-2004, 19:42
if u do lightning based damage yes, if not then no, ts is good for charge strike duelers as the -15 light res coupled with a griffon eye can grealty increase the damage taken to opponents...
if u do lightning based damage yes, if not then no, ts is good for charge strike duelers as the -15 light res coupled with a griffon eye can grealty increase the damage taken to opponents...
Sorry mgill, but I am confused. Which are you saying "yes" to? Upping Titans or using TS? In PvM, against LI, I need physical dmg, so is upped titan comparable to TS in the first place? Coud you clarify please?
Sorry mgill, but I am confused. Which are you saying "yes" to? Upping Titans or using TS? In PvM, against LI, I need physical dmg, so is upped titan comparable to TS in the first place? Coud you clarify please?
What is your build?
It's pretty hard to answer your question without an idea what your skills are.
If you went by the LF/PJ guide in this thread, or made a pure Lightning zone with the intent of maxing all lightning skills, then IMO a normal Titans, ED doesn't matter, Lifeleech does, though you shouldn't get hit much anyway.
I play a pure Lightning Zone myself and it really isn't worth the runes to upgrade a Titans, the increase in physical damage is marginal, your valk and merc will take out any lightning immunes at a decent speed, just avoid packs.
Just from personal experience, when I face a lightning immune the difference between me hitting it along with my merc and valk, and me just doing nothing while they kill it, is really really small and I can't see the small damage increase from upgrading really increasing the killing speed.
As for Eth or normal, I'd say stay away from ethereal, it's a pain in the *** to have to watch your stack and not being able to repair.
The only time when I think the price of a upped eth titans is worth it is if you put points into jab or fend, I personally only have 1 point in jab and therefore a really low AR, so jabing isn't really an option, but with a few points in jab and some +skills it becomes a viable choice.
As for any titans vs TS, the thing is that titans have some really nice bonuses, faster run/walk and regenerate stack size being the most important to me, I couldn't bear running to town ever 2 minutes repairing. Though I always keep a TS on switch for act bosses.
Actually, mine's a hybrid LF/CS + FA. :D So skillls are strictly lightning + freezing arrow. I do have a pure lightning javazon (trying it for PvP).
Think you may be right. Titans do offer better stats than TS, especially the repair option.
How about pure PvP? Upped Titans better than TS?
mgill1772
30-09-2004, 20:00
sry i was unclear in my previous post, for your vs monster hybrid, ethereal up'd titans are the best weapon, titans are better than ts in all cases but boss kill in my experiences, keep so ts in your cube for bosskill and charge strike um down.
for a lightning based pvp zon, tstrokes are the best weapons, the -to resist is the only chance for breaking stacked res chars and you will need more -res items against classes which can easily stack, ie necro, pali....the charged strike zon will usually either win easily against poor resist chars or have no chance against high res/absorb.
for a pvm lightning based zon, the choice depends on your other gear, either eth up titans if your are using melee damage bonuses or if your are using -to enemy resists gear, ts is a better option. its possible to damage LI with charge strike wearing griffon eye and tstroke as your damage is insanely high and there -res will drop the immunity some, this is not tru of all LI but most will take lightning damage when these two items are used in conjunction.
additionally, the point of using a hybrid is to have an alternate damage type to kill LI with, here you should be using FA to kill in your amazons case over the physical damage from javelins, if your FA doesnt kill faster than phy in jab why bother to have the bow in the first place, when you would be better maxing jab. I choose to use WF on my FA-using hybrid as its can actually leech back enough mana to keep FA going indefinitely and the AR bonus is big which helps as hybird must balance the stats points between dex str and vit where bow can focus more on dex.
The person above me has no idea about eth titans, (sry, but you dont) they are the best javelin by far when upgraded, yes they may deplete and u cant repair them, but the upgrade to eth titans may be the best upgrade in the game, wws puts up a strong case and in my opinion which nobody seems to share so does skullders (normal skullder not eth, if eth worked right even more so).....ed% does matter on titans as does life leech% as leech is directly related to the amount of phy damage dealt. Another reason eth up titans are superior, more phy damage results in more leeching. non eth non upd titans do like 200 damage max, eth upd do over 300. its a very large increase. there was a thread on here that showed all three normal titan, up titan, up eth titan, you can prolly find it if you want to see for yourself. perhaps for a jabzon or charged striker with alt damage type charms and elemental damage gear an eth demon arch could make an arguement, but its a slower jav.....the mods on titans are very good obviously.
Your build can be very powerful if equipped properly....
do you play on uswest?
The person above me has no idea about eth titans, (sry, but you dont) they are the best javelin by far when upgraded, yes they may deplete and u cant repair them, but the upgrade to eth titans may be the best upgrade in the game [...]
You might want to reread my post, I clearly explained why I think upped titans, and eth to boot, aren't such a great choice for a pure lightning zone. The eth part is because I repair quite frequently, especially for cow runs, and the upgrade part is simply because I have NEVER needed more physical damage. I play SC L with 125 vit and 1 point in all passive skills and have NO trouble staying alive in a 8 player game, ED doesn't matter to me because like I said, phy damage doesn't matter, and LL is nice, but I find more than enough full rejuv potions to cover my needs, I've never been in a situation where LL saved me, either I take damage really slowly and can just pick up a healing potion or I take damage really damn fast and need a full rejuv anyway.
If I was rich I'd take a perfect NON-ETH upped titans, but that is pretty low on my priority list, to be more precise, once ALL my other items are what I want them to be is when I start looking for perfect upped titans.
Ahhh. Thanks for clarifying. I currently have a normal Titans for PvM and I found a TS recently (so keeping it for PvP in the future, but pending cos my other euip are lacking). Unfortunately, the equip ends here.
I have seen CS zons join PvP and they tear most chars apart. I was like wow, so I decided to make a CS zon. But to balance PvM play against LI, I chose the FA route. Currently using a Buriza (no WF :( ), so it still seems quite ok. Using mostly found or gambled equipment, so no trading. Just a side question, is it worth upping a Buriza?
And thanks for the input, guys. Really learnt a lot.
CS zon's are pretty weak overall. They will only tear through people without resist/tgods.
A smart teler won't get caught by cs either, and considering that most of pvpers are now casters (pubbys anyways), its not that great of a build.
But back to topic. TS > titans anyday for a lite zon. Otherwise its titans, eth for pvp, non eth for pvm.
mgill1772
01-10-2004, 16:19
hey luis....have u ever beat a charge striker with a bowzon???? I've got a charged striker from the first ladder, I dont thinks shes lost to a bowzon, lost to a poison/guided but not pure bow.....bow usually has so lil resist u can one hit them...but as you said its easy for many classes to stack/absorb lightning based damage.
anyway to me, eth titans are better for both monster and pvp, if your worried about running out of them have a set of non-eth for cowing if that what your are gonna do. The damage increase on upping eth titans is just really too good not to use.
I would put those thuderstroke in your H-cube for bosskillin, really rips them up with charged strike.
On upping buriza it really depends if your are gonna have that kinda str or not, i like many of the heavier items in the game and like phy damage part so i have about 200 str in equip, if you are playing with more dex than it may not be worth it to you...
The damage difference in LF from eth and noneth titans is negligible since the increase is only physical damage. Therefore non eth is better not only cause you can repair them, but they are also much cheaper.
My bowazon had no prob with CS zons. Good or bad they are pretty easy to beat. I can get max resists and using 7 frame ga pretty much destroys a cs zon. Many other classes easily beat a cs zon too. I really don't see how a caster can lose consistantly to them. Other non caster classes can also beat them by simply having max resist and throwing on tgods.
mgill1772
02-10-2004, 00:09
do u play on uswest luis?
i havent dueled in a bit since the new ladder pretty much, but would like to play a good bower....
eth titans cream non eth. there is a reason they are valued, no?
Ok, seems like you didn't get the point. So I'll explain it in question form.
How would the higher physical damage on eth titans help LF if it is entirely lighting damage?
eth titans only makes killing slower if you run out since you can't repair.
Also i play useast and my zon needs to rebuild. Even then you prolly won't wanna duel it since it will have 4k physical and like 4k psn damage now since all my resources are going to other builds.
mgill1772
02-10-2004, 01:48
no i got it dude, ive played the game forever, apparently long enough to know that eth titans exceed normal titans, in all aspects, only one possible exception is consecutive cow runs, but just use norm for those.. up eth titans if u got em, the difference is noticeable immedately,
too bad your not on west...
If you read carefully, the person who started the thread is asking for what's best for cow runs. That is why normal titans are superior to eth. Physical damage is negligible for LF and CS since they are completely lighting damage attacks. Both pvm and pvp, the difference between eth and non eth for both of these skills is minimal.
And just so you don't respond with the same exact thing again, the diffence between the damage is eth and non eth is PHYSICAL. It will not help LF damage nor CS.
Let me try another approach luis, maybe he will understand this:
In a perfect world where everyone has all items he ever wanted, perfect eth upped titans in your main hand with perfect eth upped titans on switch for when you run out and perfect TS in your stack for PvP may be the optimal choice, but the fact remains that SOME people playing D2 aren't as 'oldskoolI'veplayedforever' as you, and may lack the funds, and before investing in upped eth titans almost all other equipment slots would take priority, aswell as getting an anni and 10 java skillers
No that isn't what im ment. Eth titans CAN'T be repair so if you run out, you killing speed is greatly lessened. Non eth titans do the SAME elemental damage for LF/CS and eth but CAN be repaired.
While LF is in and of itself, a pure lightning damage skill, it doesn't negate the fact that your zon is still throwing a physical object, i.e: the javelin itself. So the physical damage of the javelin itself is taken into effect for each target that the javelin itself strikes, which if you get maximum piercings, can be up to a total of 4 targets that are struck by the actual javelin. This is in addition to any lightning damage that is incurred from the LF skill, including the bolts that split off which are pure lightning.
The way to test this is simple....find a LI creature and toss a few javelins at it...you'll see it taking damage despite it's lightning immunity. This damage is the actual javelin and is the damage listed on the javelin.
So in effect, yes, an eth, up'd Titan's would be desirable to a LF zon though to be honest, I don't think it's that big a deal, especially for PvM.
-X
It doesn't matter if the actual jav hits or not, LF kills insanely fast as it is and eth won't make any noticable difference.
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