tele and ww combo question

[sunami]

Hi, I am fairly new to barbs, and I am wondering if I am doing something wrong or if its my connection (shouldnt be, its cable). I find that when I tele if I switch too quickly to ww I tele again instead of whirling. I have to wait a little longer than I want to before switching from tele to ww for the attack to work. Is this common? Thanks

[mstrnicegui]

It's your connection. You're getting lag desync. The server is receiving your command to execute the active skill before it recognizes the command to switch the active skill from tele to ww.

There are two ways to counter this:
1. Wait an extra fraction of a second so that the server can recognize the skill change
2. Set ww to left click and get used to shift ww.

The problem with cable modems is that they can transfer a lot of data (larger packets), but they have relatively slow reaction (ping) times compared to dsl (usually). So when you send/receive lots of packets, they may not all be noticed in a timely fashion. That's why cable modems are great for downloading, but not so great for running a server.

[sunami]

Thanks :) my friend (10 letters or more)

[rikstaker]

It's your connection. You're getting lag desync. The server is receiving your command to execute the active skill before it recognizes the command to switch the active skill from tele to ww.

There are two ways to counter this:
1. Wait an extra fraction of a second so that the server can recognize the skill change
2. Set ww to left click and get used to shift ww.

The problem with cable modems is that they can transfer a lot of data (larger packets), but they have relatively slow reaction (ping) times compared to dsl (usually). So when you send/receive lots of packets, they may not all be noticed in a timely fashion. That's why cable modems are great for downloading, but not so great for running a server.

WOW!

So mstrhightechgui..is it better if I use dsl for d2? what about console gaming,is it the same.... :scratch:

Rik

[Halciet]

I'd say yes, seeing as how online games function by sending/receiving mass amounts of small packets, rather than large blocks like program/data downloads/uploads do. So cable would be better for patching up in a huge online game, but for actual play, the DSL would be generally superior.

I believe that was the point Gooey was getting at in his original statement.

-Hal

[mstrnicegui]

I believe that was the point Gooey was getting at in his original statement.
Ding! Hal gets a cookie. And rik, you get... the mr. sarcasm award, at least I think that sounded half sarcastic.

[rikstaker]

Ding! Hal gets a cookie. And rik, you get... the mr. sarcasm award, at least I think that sounded half sarcastic.

:cheesy:

o noo......

When I try to be sarcastic, people think I am serious,when I am serious,they think I am sarcastic.Somethings wrong with me. :bonk:

I wasn't taunting you,:( I was seriously asking you,I suck at connexion techs & packets & things...I am still confused how a slower speed dsl can fare better than a high speed broadband... :scratch:

Rik

[Halciet]

I'll cover for Gooey today, since he saves my wrists in the conc thread consistantly. ;)

Firstly, it depends on what you mean by "broadband," as the term is typically used incorrectly, especially in advertising. As it stands, DSL and 56k modems (yes, 56k modems) are considered legitimate broadband, as they utilize true broadband technology in the communication channel to the ISP. Cable modems, on the other hand, do not, and are thus *technically* narrowband. It's would be better if marketers referred to them as "ethernet" or "high speed internet."

But, to answer the main question: Cable technology is at a bit of a loss because of the way it is implemented. While it's true that Cable can hit rates of upwards of 30 Mbps (while DSL can't break 10), the problem with cable is that it's a shared bandwidth technology that's virtually always used in areas of extremely high population density (cities, apartment complexes). This means that while you may have a ton of bandwidth, it's split up between everyone using the service in the area. Thus your upstream/downstream speeds vary depending on the number of users accessing the service at the same time; sometimes you may be downloading at several megs a second, while others you'll only be getting a few k.

DSL, on the other hand, has dedicated local bandwidth, meaning the user has a private pool, so you have a consistent upstream/downstream speed pool that is not affected by the number of users using the service in the area.

So, how does this effect gameplay? Well, information is transferred across the internet in the form of "packets," or blocks of information. Cable modems can handle the transfer of much larger packets than DSL modems, but since DSL doesn't have to worry about the traffic problems that Cable does, it can send and receive smaller ones quicker. So while they're both fast, and the Cable can transfer larger packets at a steady pace (large blocks of an MP3 file, for example), the DSL can handle smaller packet transfers (such as move instructions, enemy coordinates, etc) between the server and the client at a better rate than a cable modem. Thus you can see why DSL would be generally nicer for consistent online play, but a cable modem would be better for downloading large files.

Hoho, arn't I geeky today!

-Hal

[rikstaker]

Thanx Hal:You are a jack of all trades,so is gui... :winner:
but that tar is scary,like a bad omen,I wish he finds a good guy tar.

Rik :cheesy: (thats my sig now UFN:untill further notice)

[mstrnicegui]

It's also important to note, that cable modem technology is using the same cable that you plug into your tv. Cable was designed to send large amounts of data in one direction, from the cable company to you. It was never meant to handle constant data being sent back to the cable company. As such, the downstream (data to you) is capable of sending information at much lower latency (delay) than the upstream (data to cable company). Also, the actual bandwidth (speed) available for upstream cannot be scaled very high because the cable wasn't designed to handle it.

It's generally true that DSL does a better job with upstream and cable does a better job with downstream. If you're lucky enough to live very close (cable length) to a phone switch station, you're likely to get much better speed in both directions with DSL. However, the farther away from a switch station you are, the worse your max up/downstream gets. Something that cable doesn't have to worry about.

[rikstaker]

Excuse me if I sound like a noob...

Is it possible to combine the two, i.e use cable for downloads and dsl for uploads simultaneously & do all consoles & pcs support the simultaneous use? It would be pricy though I guess...just asking anyway, incase I get rich.. :scratch:

Rik :cheesy:

[mstrnicegui]

Theoretically, yes. Practically, only if you're technically savvy and have access to the locations at both your cable and dsl providers' server sites. I don't know how this would be accomplished besides in a vague, general sense. But I am fairly sure it can be done.

[Halciet]

Very expensively, of course, hah hah. You could always subscribe to both, and just switch the plug to whichever modem you were using at the time. DSL is getting better though, so the benefits to using Cable are rapidly dissapearing.

-Hal