VT optimization

[sk8brdnick]

I working on building a VT for pubbie dueling because I want a well round dueler. I've read the VT guide in the strat compendium but it's much more vindicator than templar. This strategy probably works very well against organized and well prepared duelers who more often than not nullify conviction, but putting so little focus on FOH for a pubbie dueler seems like a poor idea to me. How many pubbie duelers have 280 stacked resist?

I'm trying to come up with a VT which is more balanced in terms of FOH and smite strength. Here is the build I'm considering...

-Max FOH and Holy Shield
-1 pt smite and charge
-lvl 25 conviction with gear
-1 pt vigor, cleansing, and prereqs, 1 pt in resist lightning and resist cold
-remaing points split between evenly between holy shock and fanatacism

Gear:
-Griffon
-Maras
-enigma
-HOZ
-Crescent Moon PB
-CTA and sigon on swith
-Raven frost and BK or SOJ
-Dracs
-Tgods
-Gores
-10 combat
-anni

What do people think? Comments? I know that the OW and LT are slightly BM, but it's a pubby dueler so whatever. Should I focus more on smite, or are most people in pubbies still very unprepared for FOH? It will be fairly hard to stack against with the griffon and CMPB which add another -55 resist.

If I'm calculating correctly (assuming 150 str and lvl 91) my smite should be doing around 1800 dmg with 60% OW and 15% CB which isn't too terrible and around 4.3k FOH. With max fanat and smite I would be pulling around 2500 dmg but only 1.2k FOH which of couse is much easier to absorb.

Does my build sound reasonable?

[wvx_leader_returns]

http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=149687

The templar guide has a strong foh and a weak smite - thats what you're looking for.

For pubby duels a stronger FOH and a weak smite is better... For 1 vs 1 a strong smite/weak foh is better. Try to get that foh damage near 5-6 K.

Looks like you could run into some resist problems...

From the formula Straight from my guide you're gonna need 325% light resist [Total] to nullify an opponents conviction and then you will need your basic 75-85 [85 light with tgods] resist in hell.

Dont worry about cb in pvp... its way to nerfed to be worrying too much. That OW will definately help though.

looks ok to me so far - read my guide.

-wvx

[Pravda]

I didn't write the guide for pubby dueling. It's more than 1 years old and out of date. I should ask someone (elly?) to delete both my guides up there...

But yeah, if you content with only being able to beat unprepared duelers and pub trash, I say go for it.

[SMG]

I didn't write the guide for pubby dueling. It's more than 1 years old and out of date. I should ask someone (elly?) to delete both my guides up there...

But yeah, if you content with only being able to beat unprepared duelers and pub trash, I say go for it.

Pub trash ? *clears throat*

[wvx_leader_returns]

But yeah, if you content with only being able to beat unprepared duelers and pub trash, I say go for it.

so harsh yet so true :worship:

-wvx

[sk8brdnick]

Well I'm not looking to build a character who can only perform in the pubbies, my point that since I spend most of my time messing around in pubbies it would be good to place a bit more emphasis on FOH than I would for clan dueling where most people are smart enough to negate FOH.

I'm really looking to build a character somewhere between the two guides, one with a workable smite and FOH.

I think the build I proposed strikes a fair balance between smite and FOH.

[X-Lucifer]

It good for you if just have fun with killing un-prepared dueler.

but IMO, My V/T can beat those FoH just by Tgods and Wisp , hehe :evil:

[ik_iron]

well i suggest that you evenly distribute between holy shock and foh so that you do more damage then simply maxing foh and then dividing between holy shock and fana.

[Weltkriegpally]

I could highly suggest my approach to a v/t....the true hybrid. I maxed::

holy shield
fanat
conviction to level 25 after plus skills (12 base, I think)
maximised holy shock/foh for level 90....I think it ended up being 14/15? at any rate, it got me 3.3k-3.4k foh damage for all duels.

I also got the one point wonders....up to vigor (cleansing is useful, very useful) and salvation.

I get a 2.3k-2.4k smite with an upped hoz and base smite. It is very effective for all class private and pub duels, so I can safely say it will work very well.

--welt

[Anger-DRS]

My paladin is similar.

Gear:

Shako (lit faceted)
Rare pally amu with 2 skills, mana FCR etc etc
Enigma wyrmhide
Up'd zaka (Um'd)
Silence PB
2x BK ring
Arach
Rare boots (30 FR/W STR/Dex and Lit/Cold res)
Bloodfist

10x combat skillers and 1 Anni, rest FHR till bp

I've went 20/20 FoH/Holy Shock, Enough points in conviction to reach lvl 26 (conviction bug) 4 points in fanat, maxed holy shield and rest in Smite.

I've got like 2.5-2.6k smite at lvl 88 and 6.2k Foh with only one facet (don't have another...yes) so its all good.

[foh pally]

http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=149687

The templar guide has a strong foh and a weak smite - thats what you're looking for.

For pubby duels a stronger FOH and a weak smite is better... For 1 vs 1 a strong smite/weak foh is better. Try to get that foh damage near 5-6 K.

Looks like you could run into some resist problems...

From the formula Straight from my guide you're gonna need 325% light resist [Total] to nullify an opponents conviction and then you will need your basic 75-85 [85 light with tgods] resist in hell.

Dont worry about cb in pvp... its way to nerfed to be worrying too much. That OW will definately help though.

looks ok to me so far - read my guide.

-wvx
Took the words right out of my mouth for one on one dueling You will want a strong secondary skill for ppl who can negate it, However in full blown duels most ppl will not worry about negating ur foh however fair warning u will get jumped alot so make sure ur decent at getting your character to move.

[Weltkriegpally]

My paladin is similar.

Gear:

Shako (lit faceted)
Rare pally amu with 2 skills, mana FCR etc etc
Enigma wyrmhide
Up'd zaka (Um'd)
Silence PB
2x BK ring
Arach
Rare boots (30 FR/W STR/Dex and Lit/Cold res)
Bloodfist

10x combat skillers and 1 Anni, rest FHR till bp

I've went 20/20 FoH/Holy Shock, Enough points in conviction to reach lvl 26 (conviction bug) 4 points in fanat, maxed holy shield and rest in Smite.

I've got like 2.5-2.6k smite at lvl 88 and 6.2k Foh with only one facet (don't have another...yes) so its all good.

not bad. its damage beats mine considerably with foh and only a little bit more with your smite (I chose not to use enigma, and only one bk ring, since I prefer cannot be frozen). You are the t/v variant. in my case, I am what I could consider to be a true old school v/t since both attacks are equally strong. My gear::

bered shako
tgods
upped shaftstop (um atm, looking for 15 ias/13+resist all jewel)
upped hoz (dunno what I am going to put in it)
either astreons iron ward or silenced zerker
20 ias/15 dex/10 cb crafted bloods with more life and resists
waterwalks
maras (blech)
one bk ring, one 20 dex ravenfrost
10 combats, anni, 20 life smalls with useful mods.

I am more defensive in nature, never having to worry about lightning damage too much, having 20k defense, 48 dr, and stacked resists (can really stack if necessary). I like my setup, but I already know pravda disagrees, lol.

--welt

[Anger-DRS]

not bad. its damage beats mine considerably with foh and only a little bit more with your smite (I chose not to use enigma, and only one bk ring, since I prefer cannot be frozen). You are the t/v variant. in my case, I am what I could consider to be a true old school v/t since both attacks are equally strong. My gear::

bered shako
tgods
upped shaftstop (um atm, looking for 15 ias/13+resist all jewel)
upped hoz (dunno what I am going to put in it)
either astreons iron ward or silenced zerker
20 ias/15 dex/10 cb crafted bloods with more life and resists
waterwalks
maras (blech)
one bk ring, one 20 dex ravenfrost
10 combats, anni, 20 life smalls with useful mods.

I am more defensive in nature, never having to worry about lightning damage too much, having 20k defense, 48 dr, and stacked resists (can really stack if necessary). I like my setup, but I already know pravda disagrees, lol.

--welt

Nice, though I can play defensively if I so choose, in addition I carry the following in my stash.

Dwarfstar
Wisp (18%)
Ravenfrost
Perfect BerBer CoA


I felt that I would rather sacrifce the life/mana of shako and 1 skill then the STR bonus/Fr/W that Enigma offers me. Plus my Pally looks...evil.

Another thing that came into the choice was that theres a severe lack of melee on Europe realm, besides barbs, those of which are so often horribly played its a joke dueling them.

I love my pala, though is 2.3 base life to low for this kind of build guys? :scratch:

[Weltkriegpally]

2.3k life for a v/t using enigma is very low, actually. 2.5+ is normal, and I am told its possible to get much higher than that. My upped shaft v/t has 448 vit and 2279 life on him. I could up that past 2.5k with better combats. what I meant by defensive isn't play style. My v/t style varies from duel to duel, so I am never really the same. I am talking about gear choices such as the tgods, and shaft. It gives me the kind of mods I am looking for without losing anything I care about. As far as melees go, I duel vs. some top ones (including nasty zealots that have torn me apart) and the defense/dr is really useful. So I guess it has more to do with your dueling environment as much as anything. Still, those are some nice numbers on your v/t, although one thing I will point out is that you would have gotten more smite damage by putting those points in smite on into fanat. Holy Shield and Fanat both add more damage than smite itself does.

--welt

[Anger-DRS]

2.3k life for a v/t using enigma is very low, actually. 2.5+ is normal, and I am told its possible to get much higher than that. My upped shaft v/t has 448 vit and 2279 life on him. I could up that past 2.5k with better combats. what I meant by defensive isn't play style. My v/t style varies from duel to duel, so I am never really the same. I am talking about gear choices such as the tgods, and shaft. It gives me the kind of mods I am looking for without losing anything I care about. As far as melees go, I duel vs. some top ones (including nasty zealots that have torn me apart) and the defense/dr is really useful. So I guess it has more to do with your dueling environment as much as anything. Still, those are some nice numbers on your v/t, although one thing I will point out is that you would have gotten more smite damage by putting those points in smite on into fanat. Holy Shield and Fanat both add more damage than smite itself does.

--welt

God damnit I'm remaking :rant: I got it to lvl 90 today aswell T_T would be ok cept I rarely play games :grrr:

Yeah, I'm afraid that my health is way to low too, though thats without dungos and bar Zaka/Shako/Enigma/BK nothing gives me life I don't think.

Any suggestions for making my build good guys?

[sk8brdnick]

Still, those are some nice numbers on your v/t, although one thing I will point out is that you would have gotten more smite damage by putting those points in smite on into fanat. Holy Shield and Fanat both add more damage than smite itself does.

--welt

This is true but there are certain advantages to pumping smite rather than fanatacism such as the ability to run different auras while retaining good smite dmg. I could see one using smite in conjunction with salvation or cleansing in certain situations.

[Pravda]

I like my setup, but I already know pravda disagrees, lol.

Hey if your v/t works well for you, then great. The only thing I disagreed about was whether it works better for pal vs all then mine.


2.3k life for a v/t using enigma is very low, actually. 2.5+ is normal, and I am told its possible to get much higher than that. My upped shaft v/t has 448 vit and 2279 life on him. I could up that past 2.5k with better combats.

I'd say that 2.2-2.4k life would be normal with plain combats for an enigma v/t with base strength. You could get 3k+life with good gear at level 97-99...

[RprsntDaHatchet]

So I have never made a v/t or a t/v but i have seen many and there are so many different varients above.. that really what it comes down to is customize him how YOU play. Like my necro: no marrows.. no enigma.. no uber charms and I still hold my own vs all but the dedicated duelers and those with "skillz". I know necros aren't the same as pallies but its the same concept.. I built him how I wanted to and have lots of fun. Gotta remember there is ALWAYS someone out there who will eventually beat you. :lol: Besides.. whats the fun of simply copying someone elses build? Gl man.... I like all that I read above. High damages... huge life totals. Huge to me cause I don't have L33T gear. Necro: 850 life. LMAO but I still kill quite well. Make him to be your best.. not everyone elses best. It might be pertanent to some that he is pubbie only.. I don't know how to find all these private duels.. even though I follow alot of their rules. It makes me feel good to do well in pubbies following GM rules. BM is just annoying.. but thats life.
Whew.. sorry.. this dragged on, repeated a lil, maybe confusing.. I'm a lil under the influence. (Apologize again to those who may be offended by such a confession. Might as well be honest and friendly. Whole pnt of forums.) Either way the point is Have fun and play ur own game/chars.
Peace gl hf dd tc :wave:

[Anger-DRS]

This is true but there are certain advantages to pumping smite rather than fanatacism such as the ability to run different auras while retaining good smite dmg. I could see one using smite in conjunction with salvation or cleansing in certain situations.

I went for stun length mainly :D

Though cleansing is considered BM in the league I play in, as is griffons (well anything with +% to elemental damage is) though Salv is good, with one skil I've got plus 1xx Res from it.

And I'm not base STR, I'm using an Enigma wyrmhide if that explains my base life better.

[inkanddagger]

i have base str and base dext on my v/t and only 2.2k life. (yes i have max block)

it's all in the richness of the combats.

[Mr.Glasscock]

If i eventually get around to getting a HOTO ill have about 3.4k foh (on foh switch) and 2.8k smite on smite switch. How i'll be able to swtich back and forth in my 56k i dont know =(

very nice variants. and as people have said, it's what you want. If you have a gift of being able to charge smite beautifully then go for more v than t. If you have a strong versatile foh and have a tendency to be defensive, then go for more t than v.