ISO: Throwing weapons and advice

[Sum Yung Guy]

hi, I'm new here. I read the warshrike thread and so decided to post an ISO for my new pvp throwbarb.

I think im going to use eth demon arch so if you guys have any for sale I would be glad to know. :howdy:

Also any other good throw barb gear you might have laying around.

[squigipapa]

Correct me if I'm wrong here.. But I believe the only thing you can trade on the barb forum is the actual throwing weapon. For "Any other good throw barb gear" you'd have to go to your approaite trade forum ..

P.S. You may want to include the realm softcore/hardcore, Ladder or Non for the weapon trade.

[BunBunMaru]

I have 2 eth Demons Arches on sale in EU realm NL.
ETH Demons arch 202/11
ETH Demons arch 197/12

Look at my thread for my needs :)

http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=254095

[Jooonny]

the dmg on eth demon arch is good but they r just too slow imho...

[Sum Yung Guy]

Um well, the base weapon speed is [10] with +30% IAS.

So it's actually [-20] correct? That's plenty fast eh?

Actually for barb it's [20] base to is would be [-10] for barbs. So that still beats wraith flight and it's the same as gargoyle...

I really want an eth lacerator but I cant find them. :drool:

Throw Damage: (104-124) To (161-192) (132.5-158 Avg)
One-Hand Damage: (85-102) To (163-195) (124-148.5 Avg)
Required Level: 68
Required Strength: 127
Required Dexterity: 95
Base Weapon Speed: [10]
Max Stack (80)
+160-210% Enhanced Damage (varies)
Adds 232-323 Fire Damage
Adds 23-333 Lightning Damage
+30% Increased Attack Speed
6-12% Life Stolen Per Hit (varies)
Replenishes Quantity [1 in 3 sec.]

[squigipapa]

Base Weapon Speed and IAS are not the same thing. I don't feel like getting into it right now but I'll just say that a base speed [-20] weapon is NOT the same as a base speed [+10] with 30%IAS built in. If it did work like that, then it would mean that a unique dimentional blade like Ginthers with 30% IAS and a base speed of [0] would be the same as using a phase blade with a base of [-30] .. it's not...

[Sum Yung Guy]

Base Weapon Speed and IAS are not the same thing. I don't feel like getting into it right now but I'll just say that a base speed [-20] weapon is NOT the same as a base speed [+10] with 30%IAS built in. If it did work like that, then it would mean that a unique dimentional blade like Ginthers with 30% IAS and a base speed of [0] would be the same as using a phase blade with a base of [-30] .. it's not...

Then what throw weapon do you reccomend? I better figure this out now...before I waste time getting eth demon arch.

[jordy666]

eth 450 ED Winged Harpoon of quickness of self-repair :drool:
or a botd in a ghost glaive eh squigipapa :lol:

-jordy :king:

[Zangeif]

Yeah, ww is one of the few attacks (maybe the only one) that only depends on your final ias.

The amount of ias needed to reach different attack frames is dependant on the base weapon speed of the weapon you are using. This is why eth phase blades, and cruel mat bows are worth so much, they hit attack frames that botds can't reach.

[zaithred]

hi to be honoust throw barbs really suck u should make like a ww or beserk.
beserk are probably the best for pvp. :thumbsup: plz do not take any offence to me saing bad stuff about throw barbs

[fallen angel of satan]

jordy how about throwing a fools mod in their 2 ;)

and good look gettin botd in a throwing weapon :D

You have 2 choices really (for the best) eth gargoyles bite and eth lacerator. Both have advantages and disadvantages. javas great range but tiny stack size axe more axes but short range, also the stats on lacerator own :D

personally I use non eth stuff, coz wether you use javas or axes, you run out alot, since you throw those things so damn fast

enjoy :D

[squigipapa]

Then what throw weapon do you reccomend? I better figure this out now...before I waste time getting eth demon arch.

Well, I'm no expert on throwers, fallen could probably help you more. But for me axes are nice, and there are a couple of choices.

Gimmershred Flying Axe

Throw Damage: (39-46) To (171-204) (105-125 Avg)
One-Hand Damage: (44-52) To (169-201) (106.5-126.5 Avg)
Required Level: 70
Required Strength: 88
Required Dexterity: 108
Base Weapon Speed: [10]
Max Stack: (240)
+160-210% Enhanced Damage (varies)
Adds 218-483 Fire Damage
Adds 29-501 Lightning Damage
Adds 176-397 Cold Damage, 4 sec. Duration (Normal)
+30% Increased Attack Speed
Increased Stack Size [60]
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.10 or later)

Gimmer's are ok IMO, they are basically the same speed as your demon arch, but have a massive amount of all 3 kinds of elemental damage. and a huge stack. (240 as opposed to 80) Personally I woulden't use them because of the speed, but I'm a speed freak so take it for whatever it's worth. There are a lot of people that use them and do fine with them.

Lacerator Winged Axe

Throw Damage: (17-21) To (150-186) (83.5-103.5 Avg)
One-Hand Damage: (27-34) To (140-173) (83.5-103.5 Avg)
Required Level: 68
Required Strength: 96
Required Dexterity: 122
Base Weapon Speed: [-10]
Max Stack: (180)
+150-210% Enhanced Damage (varies)
+30% Increased Attack Speed
33% Chance of Open Wounds
Prevent Monster Heal
Hit Causes Monster To Flee 50%
33% Chance To Cast Level 3 Amplify Damage On Striking
Replenishes Quantity [1 in 4 sec.]

Now we're starting to talk my language. If you can find ethereal ones all the better, some people don't find they replenish fast enough but personally I haven't had a problem with testing. They are quite a bit faster, have 33% open wounds, PMH, and an INSANE 33% chance of casting Amp, meaning a third of the time you're doing WAY more damage. Some people don't like the monster Flee, but personally I don't mind it, being a thrower you want to be away from the monsters anyway, at least I do and this helps me do it.

And My Favorite... (which of course is not an axe)

Warshrike Winged Knife

Throw Damage: (69-80) To (117-136) (93-108 Avg)
One-Hand Damage: (81-94) To (105-122) (93-108 Avg)
Required Level: 75
Required Strength: 45
Required Dexterity: 142
Base Weapon Speed: [-20]
Max Stack: (200)
+200-250% Enhanced Damage (varies)
50% Deadly Strike
+30% Increased Attack Speed
Piercing Attack [50]
25% Chance To Cast Level 9 Nova On Striking
Replenishes Quantity [1 in 3 sec.]
(Ladder Only)

This is my favorite. Ethereal (for me) is a must. I have one of these now and I'm currently looking for another one. The speeds you can achieve are crazy! Plus it has 50% pierce, which is awsome for packs. The level 9 nova is constantly going off, not that it does a whole lot of damage, (50-85) but it goes off a lot. Did I mencion the speed of these things.. :) it's like equipting your barb with a rail gun!

There are of course an insane amount of other choices .. crafted blood throwing axes can be amazing, rares can be amazing as well.. why don't you play around with a few of the options in single player and see which you like.

EDIT: just seen fallen's post .. ya .. gargoils rock too.

[jordy666]

jordy how about throwing a fools mod in their 2 ;)

450 doesnt mix with fools mod
the highest is 300 ED with fools mod.
but somehow i think that was ment sarcastic :scratch:

those warshrike's are amazing, tested in single player, :drool:
-jordy :king:

[squigipapa]

450 doesnt mix with fools mod
the highest is 300 ED with fools mod.
but somehow i think that was ment sarcastic :scratch:

those warshrike's are amazing, tested in single player, :drool:
-jordy :king:

You could do 510%ED (450% Cruel+masters) + 60% (from blood recipe) with a fools mod on blood axes.. but I think you're right for rares.

and yes .. warshriek's are nice .. I usually build a thrower as a frenzy'r sort of hybred, so axes give more choices for a frenzy weapon as well. But for a pure thrower, The more I think about it the more I like the warshrike's. Like I said .. I already have one (USEast softcore, Non-Ladder.) and I'm currently trying to sell my mother for another. :)

[Sum Yung Guy]

hrmm...well can you reccomend a good ww/zerk guide? I am thinking ww/zerkers are too expensive to build cause u want max/ar/life charms and all the dupers with 3/20/20 own legit builds? :cheesy:

[squigipapa]

hrmm...well can you reccomend a good ww/zerk guide? I am thinking ww/zerkers are too expensive to build cause u want max/ar/life charms and all the dupers with 3/20/20 own legit builds? :cheesy:

Sure! Just look in the 'guides' stickie up top. all the guides in there are good. The guides that are not good, or the ones that cover builds that have already been written about are on in the stickie.

you don't need an inventory full of 3/20/20's to make a successful barb, yes you'll probably get owned by the people that do use thoes items, but who cares really, you can take comfort in the fact that if it wasen't for the dupes they have you'd probably be able to take them.

[Jooonny]

from my experience , the best weapons for a pvp double thrower r rare hyperion javelins and winged harpoons with the mods we all know and love :yep: Stygian pilums could do the job too but they r a little slower. In certain duels, where u r being chased by ur oponent and u have them in close range u could use eth warshrike knives too...
Also throw barbs do not suck that much especially if they ww/zerk too