Help on my kicksin!

[Monsterdavid85]

Im currently making a kicksin and i need some advice on what gear to use! this is what i had in mind!

Helm: Andys visage (Um or ias jewel?)
armor: lionhart
belt: thundergods
Boots: upped gores
gloves: draculs grasp
shield: stormshield (um?)
amulet: crescent moon
ring1: raven frost
ring2: carrion wind

here comes the tricky part! should i use fleshripper for all the open wounds etc....or should i use azurewrath with an UM rune,what will be the best?! without fleshripper i dont have so much open wounds etc, but with azure i get massive elemental dmg!


help me plzz!

[Monsterdavid85]

do i need more ias to reach the fastest kickspeed?! if,how much then?

[jton]

i know this isnt6 the quesytion you asked, by any reason in particular why your using lionheart over duress?

[flapserdk]

Im currently making a kicksin and i need some advice on what gear to use! this is what i had in mind!

Helm: Andys visage (Um or ias jewel?)
armor: lionhart
belt: thundergods
Boots: upped gores
gloves: draculs grasp
shield: stormshield (um?)
amulet: crescent moon
ring1: raven frost
ring2: carrion wind

here comes the tricky part! should i use fleshripper for all the open wounds etc....or should i use azurewrath with an UM rune,what will be the best?! without fleshripper i dont have so much open wounds etc, but with azure i get massive elemental dmg!


help me plzz!

I assume that your build is PvM, because your gear is not optimal for PvP.

Open wound(OW) is not as useful in PvM as Crushing Blow (CB), because monsters have so many hitpoint.
Try to acchieve around 50 % CB, and it will tricker almost on every attack, and with CB, you can kill monsters with ease even in 8-player games.

I will recomment Fleshripper as number one choise, and Azurewrath only against PI monsters.

Your equipment choise is dependant on whether you prefere BoS or Fade. If you use BoS you dont have to worry about attack speed, but with fade you need 64 % IAS to achieve 7/2/2/2/2.

Gear :

Helm :
Andy's : Not the best choise but a decent kick helm, if you prefere Fade, and with a 15 % ias jewel it will grant you 35 % ias.

Shako is a better choise, because you get a big mana and life boost, and 10 % DR is always nice.

The best helm for a kicker with resist problems is Crown of Ages (CoA). With 2 x Um you will gain up to 60 % all resist
+ 10-15 % DR.

Armor :

Lion heart is a decent armor, but I dont thinks its the best choise for kicker.
My kicker use a Duress armor, and the mods are more suited for a kicker than Lion Heart, with CB, OW and resist.
You can also consider a Stone armor, I think it's a better armor for a kicker than Lion heart.

And dont forget the Nat armor with +2 shadow and 3 sockets.

Boots : upped gore or shadow dancer (great choise)

Gloves :
Dracul's are great gloves for a kicker, but if you can get make some crafted Blood gloves, they can be goodly, with +skills and ias, CB, and resist.

Shield : Storm, Storm and Storm, but save your Um rune and make a Duress instead. Just use a perfect diamond instead.

Belt : Thundergod's is a good kick belt (I use it my self), but i have Verdungo in my stash.

Amu : Cresent Moon is a ok kick amu because it have dual leech, but beside that the other mods are crab. Try to make a crafted assa amu instead (or use mara).

Rings :

Raven frost is a must, but I dont think you need Carrion, because you have sufficient life leech. Use a crafted or rare ring or a BK ring instead.

With your listed gear you will have around 25-30 % life leech + life tap from dracul's. Life leech is alway good, but a kicker with an incredible fast attack, you dont need that much Leech.


Good luck

[Monsterdavid85]

Thx for all the answer! i wanna be able to do both pvm/pvp! =))

if i replace the andys visage with shako (um)

the lionhart with duress

and the carrion wind with a bk ring!

will it be a good char...or post what items u think will me more appropriate!

thx very much!

[Monsterdavid85]

What weapon u think i should use after the changes i made! + im A BOS assa!

im not ro rich so cant afford all those super runewords!

[GenXCub]

Crescent Moon is a good runeword. you say you're a BoS person, but CM could let you use fade (put it in a quick sword/axe), you'd get Ignores Target Defense, and Static Field. SF can be just as good as using Crushing Blow in many cases.

[Monsterdavid85]

more answers?!

[Trisk3lion]

Okey!! First andy's visage is a much bether kicker helmet then shako! I now shako give mana and life wich is very nice but i cant beat andy's ias, life leech, str (wich help kicks damage).
Then creascent moon isnt the obvisius choice for amu, highlord will suit you much bether. The skill, ias and light res will help trust me!

As flapserdk said in pvm, the Crushing blow from fleshripper will help you more then elemental damage from azurewrath. but when you are going to pvp then CB wont help much. Its here where you should use azurewrath. The elemental damage is insane and skill are just a plus. Then with azure+andy+highlord you will reach the last breakpoint and dont have to use BoS. So now you are free to use fade and can have max pdr and bether res.

I have a chars like this and it works very well! Enjoy! :buddies:

[ilkori]

Helm for kicker: Guilame's Face set. There is no other other helm worth considering.

[flapserdk]

Okey!! First andy's visage is a much bether kicker helmet then shako! I now shako give mana and life wich is very nice but i cant beat andy's ias, life leech, str (wich help kicks damage).
Then creascent moon isnt the obvisius choice for amu, highlord will suit you much bether. The skill, ias and light res will help trust me!

As flapserdk said in pvm, the Crushing blow from fleshripper will help you more then elemental damage from azurewrath. but when you are going to pvp then CB wont help much. Its here where you should use azurewrath. The elemental damage is insane and skill are just a plus. Then with azure+andy+highlord you will reach the last breakpoint and dont have to use BoS. So now you are free to use fade and can have max pdr and bether res.

I have a chars like this and it works very well! Enjoy! :buddies:

Andy's is not a bad helm, but in PvP the Shako is better, unless you use Fade and need more IAS, but if you dont use Enigma, Fade makes you way to slow, and a kicker without speed often end up dead when you are fighting a skilled caster.

The 25-30 strength on Andy's is nice for kicker, but it will only raise your kick damage very little. I have an Andy’s in my stash, and when I use it my kick damage will only rise from 811-1310 (Shako) to 854-1378.

[Nomad_k9]

Crescent Moon is a good runeword. you say you're a BoS person, but CM could let you use fade (put it in a quick sword/axe), you'd get Ignores Target Defense, and Static Field. SF can be just as good as using Crushing Blow in many cases.
1 word...Stormlash

[ilkori]

1 word...Stormlash
Two words: Level 83

I finished at level 78, solo.

[longwood]

Andy's is FAR suprrior to any other helm period for pvp. Don't trust me I'll duel you and prove it! For pvm Guilame's Face, hands down!

[Nomad_k9]

Two words: Level 83

I finished at level 78, solo.

82 actually but andy's hat is 83 anyway

[ilkori]

Hmm, I keep getting things off by a level. :( Oh well.Andy's is FAR suprrior to any other helm period for pvp. Don't trust me I'll duel you and prove it! For pvm Guilame's Face, hands down!.08 Valk looks pretty sweet also. ;) Andy's is sweet vs anything poison, but I think there are other options that work well, such as Blackhorn's.

[skygoneblue]

I fail to see what is so special about Andy's....unless you have a POISON FACET in it! ;)

The only attributes that I see being even moderately useful as opposed to using a Shako would be:

STR - Big boost, but not a significant source of damage

Level 3 Venom Charges - If those stack with your real Venom level, that's sweet. If not, which I don't think they do, then whoopie!

15% Chance to Cast Level 15 Poison Nova when Struck - Ok, if you want to play like a ****** and get hit on purpose, I could see that big useful. I realize that items can lower enemies' resistances to this, but even still, a level 15 poison nova does a whoppin 240-275 poison damage over 2 seconds...factor in the 1/4 PvP penalty and enemies' resistances, and it's worthless...

So, enlighten me, what is so great about Andy's?

[ilkori]

2 skills, IAS, poison resist, strength... there isn't much else. The life and mana on Shako don't get boosted with BO, but pure vit points will.

[longwood]

I fail to see what is so special about Andy's....unless you have a POISON FACET in it! ;)

The only attributes that I see being even moderately useful as opposed to using a Shako would be:

STR - Big boost, but not a significant source of damage

Level 3 Venom Charges - If those stack with your real Venom level, that's sweet. If not, which I don't think they do, then whoopie!

15% Chance to Cast Level 15 Poison Nova when Struck - Ok, if you want to play like a ****** and get hit on purpose, I could see that big useful. I realize that items can lower enemies' resistances to this, but even still, a level 15 poison nova does a whoppin 240-275 poison damage over 2 seconds...factor in the 1/4 PvP penalty and enemies' resistances, and it's worthless...

So, enlighten me, what is so great about Andy's?

Skygoneblue~

Your logic makes sense but its not complete. The whole picture has not been put into place. Shako is good yes I'll admit that but Andy's it just so much more beautiful. Look at the whole picture and trust me on it. In addition, just putting a 5/5 pzn facet does not make it sexy.

Longwood

[turmania]

82 actually but andy's hat is 83 anyway


i have an obsession for fleshripper, not that i think it has the cooloset name of all the items in the game, but its kick *** good. ok im rich and have amight merc who uses doom. and its so wonderful to use fleshripper with combination of doom from my merc. i can kill in hell on a 8 player game ancient with breeze and survive with my merc. i ask rest of the 7 other players to stay behind and me and merc gets the business done, i use crafted ma skiller gloves what gives 10 cb, fleshripper with ber, and upped gores, thats 70 %cb, and with the holy freeze from merc, and slow down from flehsripper and arachnid things are so cool.

' fleshripper rules '

[Trisk3lion]

Skygoneblue~

Your logic makes sense but its not complete. The whole picture has not been put into place. Shako is good yes I'll admit that but Andy's it just so much more beautiful. Look at the whole picture and trust me on it. In addition, just putting a 5/5 pzn facet does not make it sexy.

Longwood

I'm absolutly with you longwood! :thumbsup:

Shako is av very good alternativ for kickers but andy's is just bether.
The str, ias, posion res, ll and superior def makes is a :winner: !!

Right now i'm training with my kicker who uses andy's, azure and skipps BoS in favor for fade. I still have problem with many chars but after some training i think i will beat them!

[flapserdk]

Despite I have Andy's in my stash, I only use it when I'm fighting chars with high poison damage, because I need the mana boost from Shako. With Shako I have 400 mana and with Andy's only 263.

Both helms are good, but WoF are an important part of my tactics when i duel, and without Shako I run quickly out of mana, and dont forget the 10 % DR on shako.

In my opinion the choice is simple:

Shako:

- If you primary use BoS
- If you don’t have CoA
- If you have mana problems

Andy’s:

- If you primary use Fade and need IAS
- If you duel chars with poison damage

[skygoneblue]

Skygoneblue~

Your logic makes sense but its not complete. The whole picture has not been put into place. Shako is good yes I'll admit that but Andy's it just so much more beautiful. Look at the whole picture and trust me on it. In addition, just putting a 5/5 pzn facet does not make it sexy.

Longwood

Well, I use an UMed Shako, not that Andy's couldn't be UMed, but just FYI.

Also, like was previously mentioned, I have maxed resists in Hell, and I primarily use BoS. The IAS on Andy's is utterly pointless for me and any other Assassin who uses BoS exclusively.

[skygoneblue]

In my opinion the choice is simple:

Shako:

- If you primary use BoS
- If you don’t have CoA
- If you have mana problems

Andy’s:

- If you primary use Fade and need IAS
- If you duel chars with poison damage

Well, about the Shako vs. CoA. Don't get me wrong, CoA is great, but I think it is too hard to pinpoint a good use for it as opposed to Shako, Andy's (which I still don't like btw ;) ), etc. It has a lot of good mods, but they are mods that are easy to get on other gear that I really don't see sacrficing the 100+ life that Shako can give as justification for doing so.

[turmania]

Well, about the Shako vs. CoA. Don't get me wrong, CoA is great, but I think it is too hard to pinpoint a good use for it as opposed to Shako, Andy's (which I still don't like btw ;) ), etc. It has a lot of good mods, but they are mods that are easy to get on other gear that I really don't see sacrficing the 100+ life that Shako can give as justification for doing so.

In duels i prefer shako, but in pvm coa shako or andy will be just fine iin fact andy if you are kicker as well will be great in pvm. but still shako is all around the best helm for casters.and easiest to get

[Nomad_k9]

Andy's Visage 30 str = 90 life

Harlequins Crest gives clvl* 1,5 = 148,5 life, let's not forget the +2 to all atributes though 2*3 = 6 life and 4*3= 12 life.

And now BO yourself, let's say you have a + 4 BO CTA, +1 shield, +2 ammy an anni and offcourse andy's or a shako, so that would give us a lvl 12BO, 0,68 additional life.( a +4 BO cta actually gives +6 BO)

Andy's 90*1,68 = 151,2 life
Harlequins Crest 148,5+6+(12*1,68) = 174,66 life

The helms meet each other at lvl 83-84 however if you add a +2 armour and a +6 bo CTA they meet each other at lvl 90.

Basicly it's 10% dmg reduced vs 10% ll 20 ias 70 poison res +10 max poison res and a -30 fire res. I can see why people whould opt for Andariels Visage instead of a Harlequins Crest.

btw: i left mana out of the picture since a kicker doesn't really need it

[skygoneblue]

You can see why? At later levels, Shako outshines Andy's in the life department, you said so yourself. IAS is a variable stat, and if a kicker is dual claw, 9 times out of 10, she won't need any more IAS if she is using BoS or has any other source of IAS (gloves, etc). The only true advantage that Andy's has that I can see is a great defense against fellow kickers and poison nova necros...

And we all know how many times you run into these builds...

Also, Andy's doesn't have 10 % PDR like you listed above.

[Nomad_k9]

You can see why? At later levels, Shako outshines Andy's in the life department, you said so yourself. IAS is a variable stat, and if a kicker is dual claw, 9 times out of 10, she won't need any more IAS if she is using BoS or has any other source of IAS (gloves, etc). The only true advantage that Andy's has that I can see is a great defense against fellow kickers and poison nova necros...

And we all know how many times you run into these builds...

Also, Andy's doesn't have 10 % PDR like you listed above.
14-23 life depending on you BO(lvl 12 to 16) thats at lvl 99 good luck getting there.

Nonetheless the ias can be a viable stat, i didn't say it should be counted but it is on the helm so you get it regardless. Either way it might allow you to use MA gloves, Trangs or Draculs. So in that case the helm might provide the required additional ias.

Please point out the part where i'm saying that Andariels Visage has 10% dmg reduce because i fail to see it.

[skygoneblue]

Basicly it's 10% dmg reduced vs 10% ll 20 ias 70 poison res +10 max poison res and a -30 fire res. I can see why people whould opt for Andariels Visage instead of a Harlequins Crest.


I mistook this 10 vs 10 part of your post as you saying the 10 also applied to Andy's. My mistake.

That is a good point about the IAS - it would allow you to use other gloves, but at the loss of life (though little), mana, PDR, etc.

[Nomad_k9]

I mistook this 10 vs 10 part of your post as you saying the 10 also applied to Andy's. My mistake.

That is a good point about the IAS - it would allow you to use other gloves, but at the loss of life (though little), mana, PDR, etc.

Awh i see

Well basicly till lvl 90 andy's can even give more or the same life shako can.
As for the pdr Shako gives 10% which still requires another pdr source next to a stormshield (i see no excuse to get less then 50% dmg red).
Offcourse a CoH would get you over 50% but if your using CoH anyway it might be viable to ber another part of your gear and use andy's, if your not going with Verdungo's or SoE that is, in wich case the dmg red of shako is overkill.

The way i see it they are each others nemesis, and depending on other gear one might beat the other.

[skygoneblue]

I was starting to infer the same. Andy's works for Longwood because he totes a wand around with him (Death's Web). I'm sure that claws have a faster WSM than a wand (although, I could be wrong), so the IAS would help him a lot.

However, even if Shako gives less life, I would rather have the 10% PDR and a little less life than a bunch of wasted IAS and horrible fire resistance. :thumbsup:

[longwood]

I was starting to infer the same. Andy's works for Longwood because he totes a wand around with him (Death's Web). I'm sure that claws have a faster WSM than a wand (although, I could be wrong), so the IAS would help him a lot.

However, even if Shako gives less life, I would rather have the 10% PDR and a little less life than a bunch of wasted IAS and horrible fire resistance. :thumbsup:

Nomad~

Wonderful analysis up there, good job!

Skygoneblue~

You are growing up in this thread and realizing the multitude of purposes for Andy's, its great to watch. I'll agree if you are c/c, shako works b/c you forfeit the ss and the 35% dr from that, so that leaves you with verdungos and its 15% dr + shako 10%. If you are kicker vs kicker as I have to do so many times these days. You will DIE instantly if you are going c/c and the other guy is c/s. As I have said since the beginning the kicker is all about versatility. What works for you might be totally different than me.

Longwood

[Kaywe]

For PvM i use Stomlash mostly, for some bosses i switch to fleshripper(alot cheaper also). Static wokrs wonders with DS in low player games. However azure is also useable and imo it looks best.

Regarding the helmchoise i opt for CoA since a double um one takes care of most of your resists.

Haven't done much PvP so I'll leave that to the experts...

[skygoneblue]

Skygoneblue~

You are growing up in this thread and realizing the multitude of purposes for Andy's, its great to watch. I'll agree if you are c/c, shako works b/c you forfeit the ss and the 35% dr from that, so that leaves you with verdungos and its 15% dr + shako 10%. If you are kicker vs kicker as I have to do so many times these days. You will DIE instantly if you are going c/c and the other guy is c/s. As I have said since the beginning the kicker is all about versatility. What works for you might be totally different than me.

Longwood

:lol: Well, to be honest, I never really consider using my Assassin with a shield. Even though 60% is less than 75% (for block rate), I am just infatuated with being able to block elemental attacks. And you're right, a kicker with a ton of DR and bigger block rate will destroy a c/c kicker anyday.

However, I got a new idea last night to incorporate the right gear to give my kicker full DR, enough IAS to get 7/3/3/3/3, and maxeds resists in Hell: Use Enigma!

Screw the teleport, I'm talking about the 45% faster run/walk (making BoS less useful) and the gigantic STR bonus (which will add to life in the end). This armor, combined with Andy's and a Bartucs can easily give enough STR to wear Shadow Dancers (highest STR requirement item I use).

On top of all this, use Fade. Andy's and Enigma have the IAS and R/W covered that I would miss from BoS, and Fade (at higher levels) will easily max out my DR and Resistances when combined with Dungo (at least 10), Enigma (8 from the BER), Maras (25 average resist), Jade Talon (45 average), etc.

I would do the usual +20 Talon, 20 Flight, 20 Venom, 1 point in Shadow Tree, and rest into Fade (because SM doesn't usually end up being that big of a help anyway).

What do you think, would it work?

[longwood]

:lol: Well, to be honest, I never really consider using my Assassin with a shield. Even though 60% is less than 75% (for block rate), I am just infatuated with being able to block elemental attacks. And you're right, a kicker with a ton of DR and bigger block rate will destroy a c/c kicker anyday.

However, I got a new idea last night to incorporate the right gear to give my kicker full DR, enough IAS to get 7/3/3/3/3, and maxeds resists in Hell: Use Enigma!

Screw the teleport, I'm talking about the 45% faster run/walk (making BoS less useful) and the gigantic STR bonus (which will add to life in the end). This armor, combined with Andy's and a Bartucs can easily give enough STR to wear Shadow Dancers (highest STR requirement item I use).

On top of all this, use Fade. Andy's and Enigma have the IAS and R/W covered that I would miss from BoS, and Fade (at higher levels) will easily max out my DR and Resistances when combined with Dungo (at least 10), Enigma (8 from the BER), Maras (25 average resist), Jade Talon (45 average), etc.

I would do the usual +20 Talon, 20 Flight, 20 Venom, 1 point in Shadow Tree, and rest into Fade (because SM doesn't usually end up being that big of a help anyway).

What do you think, would it work?

Skygoneblue~

I would love to duel it, bring it bud :surprise:, it sounds fun and does have some potential

Longwood