Hammerdin/Liberator Thought

[excellence]

Well, after sucessfully creating a level 92 liberator, with maxed out BH skill/syneriges, 10 into LR, and rest into charge, i decided to remake him w/ a different twist:

max out bh skills/synergies
rest into prayer.

now with this at lvl 90, i get around 37 life with med on, and dungos gives me 50 life (+13 replenish). i decided to scrap the 10 points into RL (lo HoZ/Tgods/lo shako for temple i guess) and the points into charge didnt help at all. i still do 5 k charge with normal death cleaver (which hits a ton).

so i was wondering if this 50 life per 2 sec is worth it or not, feedback could help alot. thanks.

[Pravda]

Thing is, no one in temple would duel you because of cheapness. Don't know where you got the idea from, but I had plans of making one a few months ago, but decided against it. Make a V/T instead. No wonder temple is never up with all these hammers...

[excellence]

not my fault! =D

[Astral__PvP]

Thing is, no one in temple would duel you because of cheapness. Don't know where you got the idea from, but I had plans of making one a few months ago, but decided against it. Make a V/T instead. No wonder temple is never up with all these hammers...
What do you mean?
Are you saying this build is somehow overpowered to duel against?

[Pravda]

What do you mean?
Are you saying this build is somehow overpowered to duel against?

very much so

[HandofElysium]

yeah it would be pretty cheap you slap on a hoto instead of wiz and it would be insane life replenish!!!

The thing is if this is for pubby dueling I say go for it!! But if you intend of doing temple duels with it then no.

[Pravda]

Might as well pot instead. That's what people will think anyway...

[HandofElysium]

Might as well pot instead. That's what people will think anyway...

pot plus the life replenish would almost be like rejuvs unless you have stash of rejuvs all the time.


Also this build be good against that dupadin V/T with his self-proclaimed 1# V/T status. zzzzzz

[izrafel]

its not THAT badly overpowered is it? for temple i mean

[Weltkriegpally]

its not THAT badly overpowered is it? for temple i mean
ok..lets assume you get close enough for a smiter to hit. he takes off most of your life, you toss up some hammers and charge away. Within a minute or two, all of your life is back. Its hardly fair, bud. Some life replenish is ok, but most of us hate it. There are too many so called "top" duelers that just toss on meditation/charge and just go to town with regen. Add in that hammerdins are naturally defensive duelers with insane damage, are paladins so get all of the best defensive skills, and are insanely fast so can desynch their hammers, and its just not fair. I know I don't like dueling these guys, and i have actually managed to kill one or two.

--welt

[BestInTheWest]

pot plus the life replenish would almost be like rejuvs unless you have stash of rejuvs all the time.


Also this build be good against that dupadin V/T with his self-proclaimed 1# V/T status. zzzzzz


Show some respect!

[HandofElysium]

Show some respect!


Respect is earned not given. Obviously by your posts you don't realize that fact.

Also my friends have dueled you Good Mannered and apparently your a sore loser. She told me her trapsin owned you and 5-0 then you started to over absorb. Then my other friend had to get his wind druid to clean up your Bad manners. :D

[dkay]

Show some respect!

mages are teh crazy!!

[izrafel]

Respect is earned not given. Obviously by your posts you don't realize that fact.

Also my friends have dueled you Good Mannered and apparently your a sore loser. She told me her trapsin owned you and 5-0 then you started to over absorb. Then my other friend had to get his wind druid to clean up your Bad manners. :D

lol respect in d2 pvp is a rare thing :P

[izrafel]

edit:dbl post sorry

[HandofElysium]

Well, after sucessfully creating a level 92 liberator, with maxed out BH skill/syneriges, 10 into LR, and rest into charge, i decided to remake him w/ a different twist:

max out bh skills/synergies
rest into prayer.

now with this at lvl 90, i get around 37 life with med on, and dungos gives me 50 life (+13 replenish). i decided to scrap the 10 points into RL (lo HoZ/Tgods/lo shako for temple i guess) and the points into charge didnt help at all. i still do 5 k charge with normal death cleaver (which hits a ton).

so i was wondering if this 50 life per 2 sec is worth it or not, feedback could help alot. thanks.

Now that I think about this build it's a good anti open wounds technique alot of people use now. (Hit and Run) I might just make this build if I was to remake my Liberator.

Eh I know this is an old thread.

[Vindi66]

Thing is, no one in temple would duel you because of cheapness. Don't know where you got the idea from, but I had plans of making one a few months ago, but decided against it. Make a V/T instead. No wonder temple is never up with all these hammers...


Look who talking about all these hammers.

[-Ferro-]

Here it comes the tipical public tale most of us have experience sometime...

I was doing the public pvp thing and a tele necro was dominating the scene. He was pretty good as well as arrogant, but at least he wasnt BM (not nk nor offensive talk). He beat my lingting sorc pretty easy, so I asked him to duel my kicksin, he agreed. He beat me 3 times, I beat him twice. I pointed I was not doing bad since necro is the top pvp build. He said necro wasnt the top build, it was the hammerdin, he had one of the best and he had never lost vs any char. I asked him to take it; "ok but youll loose, brb" was his response. A pure tele cta hammerdin with 90 all resist, close to max DR (he claimed to be). I beat him fast first time (lucky me got him trap/MB lock). Second round, I connect few kicks and he tele away...away of map (I stand and wait). After 20 seconds he comes back with full lifebar. I kick him again and he does the same thing, but this time I chase him runing fast and Dflying. I see he is resting with meditation on. As I chase him he even leaves the moor with less than half bar. I give up chasing and wait him to get back...with full life again. I suggested in a polite way it would be faster if he just drinked pots up, he said somthing like "lol, meditation is legit". I lost the 2 next rounds with my kicksin but I must say every duel he run away to heal up at least 2 or 3 times. I dont care at all since the only thing that matters to me is this: My kicksin beats that pala.

When I got tired of kicking his rear side I took my mage. With my accurate defensive playstile (I dont tele nor cta, btw) I win the first 2 (long) rounds. His lasts words before leaving were "You play as a chicken".

Are you another of those "all about wining (whining?)" guys? If so meditation is a good way to go.

[HandofElysium]

Here it comes the tipical public tale most of us have experience sometime...

I was doing the public pvp thing and a tele necro was dominating the scene. He was pretty good as well as arrogant, but at least he wasnt BM (not nk nor offensive talk). He beat my lingting sorc pretty easy, so I asked him to duel my kicksin, he agreed. He beat me 3 times, I beat him twice. I pointed I was not doing bad since necro is the top pvp build. He said necro wasnt the top build, it was the hammerdin, he had one of the best and he had never lost vs any char. I asked him to take it; "ok but youll loose, brb" was his response. A pure tele cta hammerdin with 90 all resist, close to max DR (he claimed to be). I beat him fast first time (lucky me got him trap/MB lock). Second round, I connect few kicks and he tele away...away of map (I stand and wait). After 20 seconds he comes back with full lifebar. I kick him again and he does the same thing, but this time I chase him runing fast and Dflying. I see he is resting with meditation on. As I chase him he even leaves the moor with less than half bar. I give up chasing and wait him to get back...with full life again. I suggested in a polite way it would be faster if he just drinked pots up, he said somthing like "lol, meditation is legit". I lost the 2 next rounds with my kicksin but I must say every duel he run away to heal up at least 2 or 3 times. I dont care at all since the only thing that matters to me is this: My kicksin beats that pala.

When I got tired of kicking his rear side I took my mage. With my accurate defensive playstile (I dont tele nor cta, btw) I win the first 2 (long) rounds. His lasts words before leaving were "You play as a chicken".

Are you another of those "all about wining (whining?)" guys? If so meditation is a good way to go.

Ugh I like to play defensive but what you described to me.... That my friend is chicken**** tatics. I know a alot of pubs Trapsins that are notorious for using such tatics. (leaving blood moor LOL) I also hate people that try to hit and run with open wounds like a 1.09 poison zon. Thats the reason why I would even consider such a build.

[-Ferro-]

I see your point. Also usefull vs a rabies druid, ie.

A fair point would be: "If you wound/poison me and run away, I´ll wait for you up with meditation".

The chicken point would be: " When I´m losing too much life no matter why, I escape and set meditation up".

Similar points? Not at all!

[HandofElysium]

I see your point. Also usefull vs a rabies druid, ie.

A fair point would be: "If you wound/poison me and run away, I´ll wait for you up with meditation".

The chicken point would be: " When I´m losing too much life no matter why, I escape and set meditation up".

Similar points? Not at all!

Yeah there is a huge difference between defensive play and leaving the field of battle.

[Pravda]

Look who talking about all these hammers.

Hey I'm innocent

[Fear]

Well, after sucessfully creating a level 92 liberator, with maxed out BH skill/syneriges, 10 into LR, and rest into charge, i decided to remake him w/ a different twist:

max out bh skills/synergies
rest into prayer.

now with this at lvl 90, i get around 37 life with med on, and dungos gives me 50 life (+13 replenish). i decided to scrap the 10 points into RL (lo HoZ/Tgods/lo shako for temple i guess) and the points into charge didnt help at all. i still do 5 k charge with normal death cleaver (which hits a ton).

so i was wondering if this 50 life per 2 sec is worth it or not, feedback could help alot. thanks.

What does LR stand for?

[HAMMERandSICKLE]

I am still in the building stages for a pvp hammerdin still got 8 lvls of concentration left before all of the prereq's are done and I have only spent 1 point on redemtion for mana regen purposes in pvm.When concetration is maxed what other skills should I invest in to make a good pvp hammerdin that is not too cheesy .

[Vindi66]

Hey I'm innocent

Innocent? You've made more hammer builds than I can count.

O_o

[Pravda]

Innocent? You've made more hammer builds than I can count.

O_o

i made a hammerdin once

[Vindi66]

i made a "PURE" hammerdin once



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