Which claw hits with WW?

[skygoneblue]

I know when Barbarians dual-wield, only one claw hits.
Is this not true with Assassins?

I was always under the impression that people used their Chaos as their offhand claw just to get the WW skill, then used Fury as their primary claw for the OW, DS, etc. But, people seem to think that the ED on Chaos really makes a huge difference - why? I know some people actually hit with their Chaos, but I don't see the point (and if it's off hand, it won't hit anyway, right?).

Can someone fill me in? Richard? Nali? Bug? :lol:

Thanks guys!

[gods_pawn]

I know when Barbarians dual-wield, only one claw hits.
Barb's using claws!!! ABSURD! /sarcasm

Isn't the nature of WW that one weapon hits at a time, not just *one* over and over? So like, the Fury claw can hit, then the Chaos claw can hit, but never at the same time....

I always thought that's how WW worked on dual wielding (claw? :) j/k) barbs as well.

[skygoneblue]

Wiseass... :lol:

I just heard it explained that if Barbs dual wield, only their primary weapon hits...Is the same true for Assassins?

[Coffin]

WW hits with both claws. There's a few reasons why..

Put a Jade talon on your off hand and you'll leech mana when you WW. (not in pvp obvisouly)

OW is averaged out over both claws. Why would that be the case if only one claw hit?

All I can think of :)

[Coffin]

oh yea also you need IAS on both claws to reach max WW frames, not just one.

[Neuroff]

Barbs hit with both weapons too.

[BIGeyedBUG]

I've only barely used WW at all with Barbs, and never with Assassins but...

The mechanics of dual wielding and Whirlwind are rather complicated as to which weapon will end being the one that does the actual hitting most of the time. From having traced through the sequence of what will happen durring the first 8 ticks of a Whirlwind attack (first 2 attack checks are at ticks 4 and 8), it will usually end up being that the off-weapon will end up being the one used for attacks while the main-weapon is the one that gets skipped throughout the attacks. This is not an absolute because the sequence of which weapon to use may get disrupted depending on if the first two attack checks (ticks 4 and 8) are actually within the range of a monster and if the attacks actually do succeed in the to-hit checks. The subsequent attacks after the 8th tick should consistently be with the same weapon always leading the out of the pair for the rest of that Whirlwind attack run.

Basically, it possible for either claw to hit, but it's somewhat unpredictable--if I'm interpeting him correctly. Also, my understanding is that dual wield WWs make exactly the same number of attacks as single-weapon if there aren't multiple targets in the area. I think many PvPers may not be aware of this.

[Sinnerster]

as a long time barb player i can say for sure it works like this on a barb.
if u use one weapon it hit one monster 4 times then if u were duelwilding
u would hit 6 times , that means if u duel wield u will hit *1,5 not *2,
and weapon speed is calc on one weapon at the time, that mean that
if u wield lightsaber in one hand and Gf(eth rune) in the other lightsaber
will hit alot more, this is in 1,09 but i belive the rules are the same.
weapon speed is not a problem with claws as they all hit last breakpoint.

regards sinnerster

[RTB]

Basically, it possible for either claw to hit, but it's somewhat unpredictable--if I'm interpeting him correctly. Also, my understanding is that dual wield WWs make exactly the same number of attacks as single-weapon if there aren't multiple targets in the area. I think many PvPers may not be aware of this.
Correct, but dual-wielding claws allows for Claw Block, which allows one to move around at run speed with WW, while retaining defense and a chance to block. This alone seems to be worth the loss of a shield.

weapon speed is not a problem with claws as they all hit last breakpoint.
All Chaos Claws hit the last breakpoint, but using a War Fist with no additional IAS won't get you to the 4 frame bp for example.

[skygoneblue]

Well crap, that's disappointing...I traded for a 294% ED Chaos claw the other night with the understanding that the ED didn't really matter for the off hand claw... :(

[BIGeyedBUG]

Correct, but dual-wielding claws allows for Claw Block, which allows one to move around at run speed with WW, while retaining defense and a chance to block. This alone seems to be worth the loss of a shield.

I agree, for that and other reasons in PvM. And PvP vs casters as well. But vs. meleers or rangers, wb would only be superior to shield block for low DEX builds. I know very little about PvP though, and there are probably other factors I'm not considering.

In any case, my point wasn't whether c/c WW is better or worse than c/s, but rather that many PvPers seem to think they're getting more attacks out of c/c.