Skills for Clone Killer?????

[Dark Assassin]

I am making a Clone and Boss Killer focused on Dragon Talon + crushing blow ...
My skills are
18 - 20 Dragon Talon (30 with items)
20 Venom
20 Shadow Master
1 all other shadow skills

That leaves so many points free.
Where should thy be invested?
Useful options:
a) DS for crowd control
But I just did not find this skill so effective with my other assassins.
b) Blade Shield
It would fit well with my Venom crushing blow...
But maxed or One-Point-Wonder?
c) MB
Mindblast maxed might help a bit in PVP, but I do not really intend to build a PVP character.
Any other suggestions ???

[skygoneblue]

Sounds like you have the right idea.

A) You could, but I don't see a whole lot of need for it. One point is enough.

B) Never more than one point, but damn, that is a good point!

C) I would always get a point in Mind Blast, but once again, one is enough.

I suppose Fade may help you against bigger bosses (Hell Baal, Clone, etc), but if your resists are ok as it is, there is no need for it. I don't know if Charged Bolt Sentry would be worth it or not, but some people swear that it helps a ton killing bosses. Unsynergized, I'm not so sure.

[Dark Assassin]

Thanks for your answer, but I still do not know where to place my tons of points...
I thought 20 for Blade Shield might be helpful because of the increased duration.

[skygoneblue]

That's an option, but I don't know that the duration will matter that much. Blade Shield isn't going to do anything that your Dragon Talon won't do. It's just "icing on the cake" in my opinion.

I would invest at least a point into Dragon Flight (if not max it). The damage is HUGE when you get to the high levels, and it's great for getting out of tough spots (like the little oinking bastards that swarm around you at Shenk).

Well, that's three more...

17 more to go...

Hmm... :lol:

[Dark Assassin]

I already have that 1 point Into DF...

[Liessa Wyrmbane]

My DC killer in HCL has these skills:
- 17 DTalon (lvl 24 with items)
- 20 Venom
- 20 Fade
- 12 Shadow Master (lvl 19 with items)
- 5 Weapon Block (lvl 10 with items)
- 1 Death Sentry
- 1 Blade Fury
- 1 in prereqs and other shadow skills

I haven't yet decided what to do with my remaining skill points.

[Dark Assassin]

I only play SC.
What would be a nice level for WB with and without items?

[cuibono]

I only play SC.
What would be a nice level for WB with and without items?

WB at 16 after + skills is the best spot. After that, it takes 3 slvls to get 1% more blocking, and it only gets slower from there.

[skygoneblue]

Well, if you're begging to spend points (like the author of this thread), aim for 26 (60%).

[Kaywe]

I'd say go for DS. Trust me, you will need weapons of mass destruction in later hell. You kick a couple of monsters to death, throw a couple of DS, screen cleaned.

Chance to cast static when kicking and DS is a sick combo, atleast in 1 player games.

[Dark Assassin]

That might really be true.
In hell it takes me longer to kill two regular monsters than a Act Boss.
My crowd control skills Mindblast and Cloak Of Shadows just do net help my with the killing.
If I really go with DS, should it be maxed or Fireblast for the added shots?

[skygoneblue]

The shots aren't what do the damage - it's the Corpse Explosion. Most people swear that this skill is a one point wonder as the CE radius doesn't increase by much with extra points, but if you're begging to spend a few - go for it! Don't max FireBlast at all.

[Nomad_k9]

I am making a Clone and Boss Killer focused on Dragon Talon + crushing blow ...
My skills are
18 - 20 Dragon Talon (30 with items)
20 Venom
20 Shadow Master
1 all other shadow skills

That leaves so many points free.
Where should thy be invested?
Useful options:
a) DS for crowd control
But I just did not find this skill so effective with my other assassins.
b) Blade Shield
It would fit well with my Venom crushing blow...
But maxed or One-Point-Wonder?
c) MB
Mindblast maxed might help a bit in PVP, but I do not really intend to build a PVP character.
Any other suggestions ???

Share the points into the skills you often use my kicksin is lvl 82 atm and still didn't distribute any points aside for the obvious ones. I am however thinking of going for DS since it might ease up my time with enemies that i can't defeat with kicks.

Btw max Dtalon regardless if you make that next kick it's still extra damage. And your really won't be doing a lot of damage, in a 8 player game CB is next to useless in my opion.

[Dark Assassin]

More shots also means more explosions.
Is this not useful???

[FrozenSolid]

Id only max DS and not FB for the extra shots since you could just recast the sentrys when they explode.
And you should be able to take down the whole pack, big or small, b all the sentrys explode.

[Nomad_k9]

Matter of preference really but most things should be dead after 15 corpse explosions, dont believe me? try doing nihilathak on hc :lol:
Offcourse i'm assuming you'll stand still for little over a 1 second to cast the traps and be done with them. The Bigger radius of the DS will help you focus on what your trained to do, litterally kick the annihilus out of DC...instead of laying those "lame" traps at an exact point.

Not that it's much of an issue anyway, i took dc down in 30-45 secs in a 5 player game..needless to say the 2 sorcs and the LF zon were of no help (they were to chicken to static him down gogo stormlash) and well the remaining player was my BO barb.

[lextalionis]

20 DTalon
20 Fade
You might think about traps... CBS/LS why? because you need damage, and this can be a lot better damage/skill point than you can get from Venom. You might even want to put points into SWeb for the more charges if you plan on using CBS.


Wear a Guardian Angel for the added max resists.
You may not want to use C/C, since plus skill will not be important to you. This can also help you by granting a higher blocking from a shield. Having higher resists is very very helpful.
Weapons you might like: Stormlash, Fleshrender, BLACK runeword Scourge, even Cranium Basher, just look at the stats, you will be blockless however.


Does anyone know if high level of CoS helps against DClone?

[ilkori]

Does anyone know if high level of CoS helps against DClone?Yes, but it will interfere with life tap if you have that.

Fleshripper (elite dagger) with an Eth rune is one of your best friends against the clone. When he gets low life, you can switch to something with high Magic damage (Chaos/Azurewrath/Asteron's or even Ginther's Rift/Lightsaber) to help kill him off. Traps would help some... but he has 95% resistances to everything but physical and magic (which are 50%).

[lextalionis]

Fleshripper (elite dagger) with an Eth rune is one of your best friends against the clone. When he gets low life, you can switch to something with high Magic damage (Chaos/Azurewrath/Asteron's or even Ginther's Rift/Lightsaber) to help kill him off. Traps would help some... but he has 95% resistances to everything but physical and magic (which are 50%).

Great advice.

he(Diablo Clone) has 95% resistances to everything but physical and magic (which are 50%).

So doesn't that make Venom, with its already pathetic damage a waste as well?

[ilkori]

Against the clone, yes. 99.99% of your damage is crushing blow. If you trigger it once in the first round of kicks, you will do 80k+ with it. I'd like to see any other source of damage even come close to that; ever.

I don't feel that Venom is a waste simply because it acts passively (you have to stop and recast traps when they are finished), and because it is useful playing the rest of the game (not to mention being godly in PvP). Just like Death Sentry, it is something I'd max on a clone killer even though it'd never help me much with the clone himself. If you add facets and do some serious prebuffing, you can make it better, but I don't think it's worth the effort. A charge of Life Tap might make it worth it.

Having a Conviction Zealot/Avenger as a buddy would be useful for the traps.