need help with dtalon bp's

[Ragnarok-]

i've read the guides but i still cannot figure it out, how much ias is essential for max frames on dtalon if i use dual claws both -30 base speed and both with no ias on them. if someone can help me with this i'd be very grateful, right now i'm using 70 ias in gear and i'm not sure if this is too much or not enough. so a little help would be wonderful, otherwise thanks for looking and reading through this


edit:
i looked at the tables in Nali's sig and i'm wondering if with my claw setup my speed is -30 or if it's -60, both are -30 base speed claws, but i can't make heads or tails of it either way, help would be greatly appreciated

[Liessa Wyrmbane]

i've read the guides but i still cannot figure it out, how much ias is essential for max frames on dtalon if i use dual claws both -30 base speed and both with no ias on them. if someone can help me with this i'd be very grateful, right now i'm using 70 ias in gear and i'm not sure if this is too much or not enough. so a little help would be wonderful, otherwise thanks for looking and reading through this


edit:
i looked at the tables in Nali's sig and i'm wondering if with my claw setup my speed is -30 or if it's -60, both are -30 base speed claws, but i can't make heads or tails of it either way, help would be greatly appreciated

I'm assuming you're not using Burst of Speed or other external SkillIAS sources. Here are the breakpoints for Dragon Talon using -30 WSM weapon. You're using two -30 WSM claws and the WSM is an average of those which is -30 (I'm assuming your primary claw is on screen left).


Assassin DragonTalon
Entry: AIKKHT1 (Frames: 13, ActionFrame: 4, StartFrame:0, Rollback: 100)
WSM: -30, SkillIAS: 0

Speed |Full sequence +cleanup |Len|IAS|EIAS
------+-------------------------+---+---+----
10/4 |4,4,4,4,4+6 |26 | 0| 29
9/4 |4,4,4,4,4+5 |25 | 2| 31
9/3 |3,3,3,3,3+6 |21 | 5| 34
8/3 |3,3,3,3,3+5 |20 | 18| 45
7/3 |3,3,3,3,3+4 |19 | 46| 63
------+-------------------------+---+---+----
Speed = speed in conventional notation
Full = full attack sequence with clean-up frames
Len = total length in frames
IAS = IAS required
EIAS = EIAS required


My program's output data is a bit too detailed, but basically you'll need 46% IAS for maximum speed of "7/3" (which actually is 3/3/3/3/3+4, but that's another matter)

All the information you'll need are in the threads about the Assassin speeds by JRichard that are stickied at the top of the page.

Regards,
Liessa

[Ragnarok-]

how is it possible to hit -60 wsm? or is it possible for me?

[Liessa Wyrmbane]

how is it possible to hit -60 wsm? or is it possible for me?
Demon Crossbow and Chu-Ko-Nu both have -60 WSM. Use one and you have your -60 WSM. ;)

[Ragnarok-]

haha thanks for the help!