Rate my lvl99 pvp wolf--to remake or not

[Velocifero]

Hi everyone. Ive had this particular character since 1.09 and man is he good. he still beats almost anyone in melee duels, including most if not all melee druids. Hes on USEast nonladder, hes lvl99, and his name is MechWolf. Some of you might have met him...im sure some of you have, i duel frequently. I'm here to divulge his stats and to see if i should remake. not delete just remake.

lvl99
Stats: e= equipped
Str: 165 (230e)
Dex: 220 (275e) (dual pravens)
Vit: 180 (229e)
Energy:base (55e)

Dmg: 1946-3432 (72% ds)
AR: 21577
Def: 1.6k
Life: 7726

charms: 1 anni, x39 32020
hes got 90%fhr, 50%dr

I feel one of the reasons i do so well is because i am such a high lvl. And the whole ar chance to hit equation dictates that a person of higher lvl has a better chance to hit one of lower lvl. would any of you guys think its necessary to remake such a good dueler? i feel i could tweek the hell out of him, but hes already so good...is having that much dex helping with my ar? or hurting my potential life? to remake or not is the question here. am i being self-concience or can i do better? thanks in advance.


Denying our own impulses is denying the very thing that makes us human.

[2JZ-GTTE]

I think you've pretty much answered your own question. If he's "already so good" then there shouldn't be a need to remake. And then you have to take into account that its level 99, which is EXTREMELY hard to get to nowadays.

Of course there's room for improvement, but unless you LOVE to level I would not remake. (unless you settle for a lower level character)

[skilledlord]

the damage seems a bit low, i've seen someone druid do like 4k+ fury. someone on this forum, merperson or something

[Velocifero]

I think you've pretty much answered your own question. If he's "already so good" then there shouldn't be a need to remake. And then you have to take into account that its level 99, which is EXTREMELY hard to get to nowadays.

Of course there's room for improvement, but unless you LOVE to level I would not remake. (unless you settle for a lower level character)

haha sorry if i sounded arrogant. i really didnt meant to. no i do not enjoy lvling. hes good because i love druids and i take the extra effort to do alot of research so he gets the best. alot of people think druids suck or are outdated for melee dueling. then i go and prove those disbelievers all wrong. ive gotten "nice druid" or "damn nice wolf" many times. and it feels good that im bringing glory and honor to melee druids. ill join a game and ppl go "watch out mech will eat u up." its respect that few druids get and most should get. making a druid isnt easy. esp a melee one. haha youd be suprised how many times i got "ew fire claws". ima fury druid so i just laugh. ppl will go, 'is that fury?" i comply "yes" and they go "damn", its funny. i was always a fan of the underdog (wolf). perhaps i will make a pvp guide. im too selfish for my own good sometimes. for others should be as fortunate to take their fury wolf into a pub melee game, and come out on top.


Deadly sin #1, Pride: A sense of one's own proper dignity or value, a desire to be important or more important than others.

[Tor]

your dmaage and ar is kinda wimpy IMO

my 76 wolf has same or more, and he has pretty bad gear

if it works is good ^^ but still kinda on the low side imo

[Velocifero]

ok now i feel to tell you my gear choices...

weapon- gris caddy (4fpa) 165-192dmg x3 4015ias, x1 Lo rune
armor- 160/40min of the whale ornate plate
rings- dual pravens
belt- verdungos 34 vit, 15dr
ammy- highlords
helm- jalals sock w/ shael
shield- stormshield sock w/ 40/10min
gloves- bloodfists
boots- goreriders

what could raise my dmg without sacrificing other things such as fhr?
i could get hit 3.7k dmg ez but id only have 50%fhr...
also keep in mind i have 72%ds so i usually never hit just 3.4k, its usually 6k with ds


Strike First Strike Fast Strike Hard

[Cantos]

Do the dmg% and dmg-min on your armor both work? I think your Damage is unspectacular and your AR is trash, but that your Life is good. Rebuild is not necessary.

[DOC]

Hmph, I dont know alot about wolfs, I just know that I have seen this paticular one around quite a bit, and I know that it has beaten my conc barb a few times (ThatBeaverMcDoc, doubt you remember seeing it). But that could have also something to do with the huge level difference...

[dkay]

ok now i feel to tell you my gear choices...

weapon- gris caddy (4fpa) 165-192dmg x3 4015ias, x1 Lo rune
armor- 160/40min of the whale ornate plate
rings- dual pravens
belt- verdungos 34 vit, 15dr
ammy- highlords
helm- jalals sock w/ shael
shield- stormshield sock w/ 40/10min
gloves- bloodfists
boots- goreriders

what could raise my dmg without sacrificing other things such as fhr?
i could get hit 3.7k dmg ez but id only have 50%fhr...
also keep in mind i have 72%ds so i usually never hit just 3.4k, its usually 6k with ds


Strike First Strike Fast Strike Hard

my robo zerker got the job done.. 5 40/15s 1 shael in a superior zerker will go REAL well with ur sexy 160/40 min dmg plate.. esp since therres that damage gap with robo zerkers... (i hit 4k with my old fur ywolf and he had crap gear and no 160/_ _) :P im guessing 4-6k dmg if u use this since u have very godly gear.

^^ good luck~

[Velocifero]

my robo zerker got the job done.. 5 40/15s 1 shael in a superior zerker will go REAL well with ur sexy 160/40 min dmg plate.. esp since therres that damage gap with robo zerkers... (i hit 4k with my old fur ywolf and he had crap gear and no 160/_ _) :P im guessing 4-6k dmg if u use this since u have very godly gear.

^^ good luck~

thanks man ill talk more after im done working today but ive been trying to get one of those zerkers, can u tell me the dmg on them so i can do come calculations?


Cogito sumere potum alterum - I think I'll have another drink

[Velocifero]

ok well i got the math myself and assuming it was superior and had 5 4015ias in it, that would give the weapon about 209%dmg. giving it a base dmg of 72-213 give or take. effectively rasing my total dmg by 200 points. ok so id have 3.6k dmg instead...i dont know how u got 4k...but i went on dragoons website, punched in a few numbers and here what i got. with robo zerker, avg dmg was about 505. my caddy avg dmg is 585. higher because of its very high min dmg. that coupled with the Lo rune it it makes it IMO the most superior druid weapon u can get nowa days. ppl seem to only look at max dmg, but if u had a max dmg of 2700 but a min of 2300, your dmg would still be better than that of the robo zerker. (543dmg) so i think im gonna stop trying to get one of those...if anyone disagrees with my calculations, dont be shy. prove me wrong. i almost want to be. i want a better weapon, but i see no other in sight. btw, how did u get 4k dmg with 4fpa and 86%fhr...?


Auribus teneo lupum - I hold a wolf by the ears. (I am in a dangerous situation and dare not let go.) (Terence)

[RTB]

Do the dmg% and dmg-min on your armor both work? I think your Damage is unspectacular and your AR is trash, but that your Life is good. Rebuild is not necessary.
Yup, it's bugged. The dmg% only adds to your maximum dmg.

Velocifero: yep, don't ignore min dmg. I can't stand a huge difference between min and max dmg when meleeing.

cogito ergo sum

[Velocifero]

i dont see how my ar is trash. i have 275 dex, 250/20 ravenfrosts, 780 worth of ar from all my charms, and lvl27 skills. i have no problems hitting other characters, sure i wish i could hit more, but then thatd mean angelics, but that means crappy dmg. i could use that enchant weapon (giving me 27k ar) but its costly and BM to some people. it seems maxed to me without sacrifice, but what makes me hit so much is my lvl.


Amare et sapere vix deo conceditur - Even a god finds it hard to love and be wise at the same time

[dkay]

well i had 14k ar easy with crap charms liek i said.. ill tell u the truth.. i used a 160/60 max armor with my druid and i hit real close to that number with my robo zerker.. i stll prefer it over the caddy just because it has 3 range which is REAL usefull.. (esp against smiters) so im sacrificing some avareage damage for a slight better chance to hit. also.. i thhink ive found out what your problem might be.. are you using oak or HoW? cuz HoW adds about 1k+ daamge you know... if your using HoW and still only hit 3.6k theres definetely something wrong....

[Velocifero]

well i had 14k ar easy with crap charms liek i said.. ill tell u the truth.. i used a 160/60 max armor with my druid and i hit real close to that number with my robo zerker.. i stll prefer it over the caddy just because it has 3 range which is REAL usefull.. (esp against smiters) so im sacrificing some avareage damage for a slight better chance to hit. also.. i thhink ive found out what your problem might be.. are you using oak or HoW? cuz HoW adds about 1k+ daamge you know... if your using HoW and still only hit 3.6k theres definetely something wrong....

no i use oak of course... over 2k more life seems a little better to me. i hardly think that 1range difference is better than alot more dmg. and what u dueling smiters all day? ur in the wrong games. sorry but that doesnt justify the use of the weapon. well u know ALL my gear and my charms so u tell me. ar really isnt a problem. thers nothing i can do short of taking x3 32020 and putting a 120ar GC in there instead. but that takes my life and dmg down by quite a bit.


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[mepersoner]

I'm not using any dupes, besides the runes possibly being duped..This used to be in my sig, but it's just so you can compare:

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Cryptic Sword

[2JZ-GTTE]

It sure does bring a smile to my face hearing about someone have so much pride in his fury wolf, but it also brings tears to my eyes because I really miss the .09 wolf duels. :(

Range is very nice, which is one of the reasons why I still believe that a cruel cryptic sword of quickness is better than the caddy. But of course, getting that wep is not an easy task.

As for the zerker or caddy, I would probably take the caddy since the DS is so inviting.

Keep having fun with your druid. :D

[inkanddagger]

mep is skeered to let us see what he's wearing.

[Sim.The.GoSu]

is it just me or do the links not work?

[2JZ-GTTE]

They did work, but not anymore for some reason.

[mepersoner]

I guess I ran out of bandwidth for the day. :cool:

[dkay]

tahts why your damge is so low i beleive.. without HoW your ar goes down significantly and so does your ar =/ so u sacrificed damage and ar for more life.. i prefer damage because oak dies waaaaaaaaaay too quick

[proudfoot]

So resummon, dkay. Although I guess that's a little BM these days, since the aura disappears so quickly. I don't know, how're the etiquette rules on that right now?

[Velocifero]

tahts why your damge is so low i beleive.. without HoW your ar goes down significantly and so does your ar =/ so u sacrificed damage and ar for more life.. i prefer damage because oak dies waaaaaaaaaay too quick


HoW dies just as easily and every really good fury wolf ive seen uses oak as well.

pallies jump in ur face anyway so i see no difference in the ranges. plus ccsoq has the same range as the caddy. only the zerker has a range of 3. if anyone has the dmg for ccsoq id appreciate it. tho i might figure it out on my own like i did with robo zerker. caddy is so cheap to repair too. i wont remake after all. but i do like the critiques.


Auribus teneo lupum - I hold a wolf by the ears. (I am in a dangerous situation and dare not let go.) (Terence)

[inkanddagger]

So resummon, dkay. Although I guess that's a little BM these days, since the aura disappears so quickly. I don't know, how're the etiquette rules on that right now?


you can't heal with sage anymore so it doesn't matter.


also - by lvl 99 you can max both spirits, wolf, lycanth and fury.

and still have points left over to get a gizzly if you want it.

[Velocifero]

yes i had planned on maxing both if i ever remade, but wouldnt everyone agree that oak is overall better? i personally think its best to stick with one sage. not have competition between the two. its really a difference of 2k more life or about 600 more dmg.


Auribus teneo lupum - I hold a wolf by the ears. (I am in a dangerous situation and dare not let go.) (Terence)

[dkay]

yes i had planned on maxing both if i ever remade, but wouldnt everyone agree that oak is overall better? i personally think its best to stick with one sage. not have competition between the two. its really a difference of 2k more life or about 600 more dmg.


Auribus teneo lupum - I hold a wolf by the ears. (I am in a dangerous situation and dare not let go.) (Terence)

600 dmg difference? doubt it :) itll add up a lot trust me.. and with your godly gear setup im sure itll add up a lot more.. plus u dont ahve anything else to max anywhoos.. might as well be more versitile. use oaks against casters and how against things u know u can kill faster if u had that extra daamge in (barbs pallys)

[MrPipes]

Oak is better. All the time.

You could seriously have a pimp grizzly with any pure fury wolf.

Personally, if you're pure fury, go with steelrends, it seems like you have plenty base strength. (if you rebuilt, I'm sure you could get another 10-15 points into Vit as well, if you wanted)

And what's with all these weird motto's that you handtype out for every single post? In the army or something?

[Velocifero]

Oak is better. All the time.

You could seriously have a pimp grizzly with any pure fury wolf.

Personally, if you're pure fury, go with steelrends, it seems like you have plenty base strength. (if you rebuilt, I'm sure you could get another 10-15 points into Vit as well, if you wanted)

And what's with all these weird motto's that you handtype out for every single post? In the army or something?

yep over two years in the active duty air force. i got this new latin phrase i think ima use for a lil while. thanks Pipes for agreeing. yea i did the calculations in this pimp exel dmg calc spreadsheet i got from diabloii.net awhile back. its only 600 more dmg, trust me. at lvl 23 HoW anyway. . i plan on replacing my 4010min jewels in my armor and ss for x5 40/7fhr jewels instead. getting 35% extra fhr i can ditch the bloodfists and get steelrends while keeping my 86%+ fhr. my friend quit so he gave me his acc of stuff i can trade :) my new dmg should be around 3.6k or about 621.09 actual dmg per hit. x2 of course with my massive ds :D


Auribus teneo lupum - I hold a wolf by the ears. (I am in a dangerous situation and dare not let go.) (Terence)

[inkanddagger]

vitality is so pointless on a shifter.

damage is still king.


"blanket statement"

[Velocifero]

hell no dude. life is the one of the only things that gives us an edge. with no defense at all, its our extremely high life that makes us competitive in this high defense kind of meleeing nowadays.



Auribus teneo lupum - I hold a wolf by the ears. (I am in a dangerous situation and dare not let go.) (Terence)

[inkanddagger]

maybe if i get a spare week (like xmas break) i will make a base strength shifter, go for 3 frame hit recovery, and see if the piddly 2k damage I will probobly be doing is good enough when coupled with 14k life.

[dkay]

actually sorrying for disagreeing and making your life harder vel, but i think ink is rite, have you ever seen mepersoners druid? massive strength with super low vtial yet still hits the 4k mark on life WITHOUT oak which really impresses me. and im positive with your gear you can do just as good. if i was wrong and it did just add only 600 damage, im sorry for the misconception and i will do further testing mylself as well.

if i am correct the max daamge from your charms get added to the damage of your weap?

120 (quick rounding) + 215 (robo zerker for example)
=335
you have 230 strength and weapons get a 1% enchanged damage from strength right? so 335 x 2.3 = 770.5
let 770.5 go through the process of HoW ed (lets assume level 22) and we get: 1.67 x 770.5 ~ 1286

or did i make a mistake somewhere.. i did do the calculations correctly right people? :(

[luis19]

If you add a different type of armor, you'll probably do alot better since ed/min or max is bugged.

I would go with Duress. You should also consider using angelics more often vs high defense duelers, cause that low ar might not break through 40k d easily, although you will have a huge lvl advantage over most.

[MrPipes]

14000 life? heehaw, now that's funny

i might make my f/r over again, but this time, go base vit, hit 75% block gris and ss, and pump strength into oblivion. just for fun, see how well it does. i bet i could maintain about 2.5 - 4k life with Oak. But unless I haven't seen it for a while, I thought mep's 4k titan was with BO, mad prebuffing, and near-perfect charms. Maybe I'm wrong?

edit: besides, his druid wasn't the end all be all of druids. O_O

[dkay]

well the point about mephs wolf was that it was using HoW rather than oak which adds a good 2kish life. i beleive he did do some prebuffing because thats really insane life for a base life druid.

ioono i dont really feel going so vita because of the "only" +2 for ever point spent. werewolfs seem to have spirit problems since it dies so quick. so i guess its not "which spirit do you want to benifit from." but rather "which spirit do u feel like recasting" =/

[2JZ-GTTE]

Weird.... I wonder why I thought a cryptic sword was range 3.

Also very nice idea on switching to ed/fhr jewels. I was just about to suggest that myself. That's the same armor I use on my fury wolf. :D

[dkay]

ya im pretty sure cryptic is range 3. (lesson learned from getting owned from many cssq pallys in 09 in palapks >_<)
this weapon would be best (not bestEST because that goes to EB's ideal 7/4 framer pb) but its real pricey

[Velocifero]

i refuse to explain the ed/min bug any further...the ed works, leave it at that. and im telling u angelics wont work either. you wont be doing enough dmg. look im not some lil private-game honor dueler ok. i duel in public where crap is cheap and unfair. im saying i succeed with the gear and skills i have. the proof is in the pudding if you will. i think HoW and oak are equal to a point. but overall i like oak. i find it effective against melee and casters alike.

as for ccsoq range, look here
http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/elite/swords.shtml
or here
http://www.diabloii.net/items/weapons/swords-elite.shtml

ccsoq has a range of two, same as caddy


Auribus teneo lupum - I hold a wolf by the ears. (I am in a dangerous situation and dare not let go.) (Terence)

[Dimoak]

Best fury wolves max swolf.

[dkay]

ya but i still say that if u use ccsq with that sexy armor of your itll be very good to u ;)
also if u dont plan on maxing a another spirit wat are u going to put the rest of your points into?

[Velocifero]

Best fury wolves max swolf.

oh well this was back in the day, i maxed dire wolves to boost max life to my summons for tanking, he whomped butt in cows. hes got 5k just chillin, not to mention someones bo and my sage. but now in duels, hes just a big leech machine. :grrr:


Auribus teneo lupum - I hold a wolf by the ears. (I am in a dangerous situation and dare not let go.) (Terence)

[Dimoak]

ill assume u meant HoW, cuz i have no idea what swolf is, but i will tell you little to no druids who used HoW ever beat me in my epoch as a wolf druid. every single really good wolf druid ive ever seen uses oak. must mean something. oh well this was back in the day, i maxed dire wolves to boost max life to my summons for tanking, he whomped butt in cows. hes got 5k just chillin, not to mention someones bo and my sage. but now in duels, hes just a big leech machine. :grrr:


Auribus teneo lupum - I hold a wolf by the ears. (I am in a dangerous situation and dare not let go.) (Terence)
....
Think of it in context.

It's obviously a skill.

It has 'wolf' in the name. There are three skills with 'wolf' in the name. Obviously, a ww druid would make werewolf, so you can assume it's either a) dire wolf or b) spirit wolf

Since I said swolf, which do you think it is.

[Velocifero]

right i apologize :howdy: , i see what u were saying. i was tired of arguing about what sage is better. and thought u were just beating a dead horse. i have a question; has this thread actually helped anyone out? the least i can do for other people is share my experiences. im hoping by sharing what i think of as a success others will have gained some new knowledge. this wasnt just about my druid or how good i might think he is. its about improving all of our druids. i just felt the need to tell ppl how I did it. if u want a demonstration whisper me on USEast at *MechForce. i should be on tomorrow around 4pm central time. it will be fun if anyone decides to do it. g'night all... :sleep:


Auribus teneo lupum - I hold a wolf by the ears. (I am in a dangerous situation and dare not let go.) (Terence)

[Kirsty]

Well... I do actually have one suggestion which you may want to look into. You have a lot of 3/20/20s which boost your base AR, damage and life. If you add some shapeshift/life charms you can increase your %AR, %damage and %life some more. You'll have to calculate it all yourself and I can't tell in advance but you may find some combination more satisfactory than the massive 3/20/20s that you have currently.

[Dimoak]

Well... I do actually have one suggestion which you may want to look into. You have a lot of 3/20/20s which boost your base AR, damage and life. If you add some shapeshift/life charms you can increase your %AR, %damage and %life some more. You'll have to calculate it all yourself and I can't tell in advance but you may find some combination more satisfactory than the massive 3/20/20s that you have currently.
Ya, I was gonna say that, but I think 3/20/20 might be better for dmg with a low base weapon like a caddy. :\

Not sure though.

[dkay]

Ya, I was gonna say that, but I think 3/20/20 might be better for dmg with a low base weapon like a caddy. :\

Not sure though.
since hes using oak his damage will be too insufficient if he takes out the 3/20/20s (i think) since 1 extra fury lvl = 17%ed? actually maybe no.. guess someone will have to test.

[mepersoner]

Mad prebuffing? Just the normal prebuffing. Compare our attack rating though, my attack rating is WAY higher than his. As for battle orders, sorta. Like level 10 IIRC. Charms are far from perfect. That guy with his 39 20 life sc's has a good 200 extra base life on him probably.

edit: besides, his druid wasn't the end all be all of druids. O_O

I've lost to.. one druid? I was winning for most of the match too, if it would've been best 3 outta 5, 5 outta 9, 7 outta 13, I would've won, but no, had to go to 10...

DAMMIT THAT PISSES ME OFF NOW I CAN'T SAY "OH YEAH WELL HOW COME I NEVER LOST AGAINST ANOTHER WOLF THEN HUH!?!?!"

afk rebuilding


In all seriousness, my next wolf will be oak/vita. Although I'd consider building another strength wolf with different skill allocations and stat allocations (uh, I'd have less points in dex more into strength).

[Forcefeedback]

I thought the reason for PvP wolves to go for HoW rather than Oak was the ridiculous high amounts of defence some melee opponents may have and that the % of life gained from oak isn't as "effective" when paired with maxed lycantrophy.

I like your wolf. :thumbsup: I'm sure some tactics can be devised where you can benefit from your high life summons.

[Velocifero]

cutback from work early :) ok i swapped out x3 32020 for a shapeshift charm and this is what i got:
45 less dmg
71 more ar
and 235 less life
you see ive tried pretty much everything. even using all shapeshift charms. as u can see, if i used all shapeshift charms id lose 2350 life all together. so i will not be swapping them out. my extra life really played a vital role in .09 dueling bzerk barbs. but even now it serves me well. whisper me (USEast, *MechForce) ill be on about now if u wanna see my charor to shoot the breeze or whatever.


Auribus teneo lupum - I hold a wolf by the ears. (I am in a dangerous situation and dare not let go.) (Terence)

[mepersoner]

You'll get in trouble if you keep posting a signature, just giving you fair warning before a mod catches you. ;)

[Velocifero]

what do u mean by that?:(

[mepersoner]

That it's not allowed, and if they catch you, they might just ban you (but they'd probably give you a warning first). I'm just giving you the heads up so you don't get in trouble.

[Velocifero]

That it's not allowed, and if they catch you, they might just ban you (but they'd probably give you a warning first). I'm just giving you the heads up so you don't get in trouble.

signature meaning the thing u say at the end of a post, or my acc name? u have something u say at the end of all your posts.

[Kirsty]

Did you test with a prebuf weapon switch that has +shapeshifting mods or without, because that may also something you can try out.

[Velocifero]

Did you test with a prebuf weapon switch that has +shapeshifting mods or without, because that may also something you can try out.

yes i used a +5 bo cta and lidless. its what i usually use in pub duels.

[mepersoner]

signature meaning the thing u say at the end of a post, or my acc name? u have something u say at the end of all your posts.
Thing you say at the end of each of your posts.

Yes I do, and I pay almost ten dollars a month to have it.

[Velocifero]

roger that...

[Kirsty]

Alright then I think you've tried enough variations. Stick with what you have.

[mepersoner]

roger that...

Don't hate the messenger. :(

<3

Try just prebuffing with shapeshifting charms?

[Velocifero]

Alright then I think you've tried enough variations. Stick with what you have.

yeah whether u have alot of ar and hit more but do less dmg, or do more dmg but have less life, or in the middle which what i think i am... :scratch: , its all the same no druid build is really better than the next. just different. thanks for everyones whos helped. you know who u are. this is by far my biggest thread. i will continue doing my part by giving advice in these forums. did this anyone else get anything out of this thread? just curious...

[MrPipes]

mep, did you use a two hander with your titan? If I'm remaking titan (never went that route), is it best to use a big 2h instead?

[Kirsty]

according to his screenies he has both a onehanded setup and a twohanded setup

[evil_dead_ash]

dont rebuild, get steelrends instead of bloodfist though.

[Velocifero]

dont rebuild, get steelrends instead of bloodfist though.

yea i plan on doing that while still keeping up at least 86%fhr forget what u heard, at least 86% fhr is vital. heh if it wasnt, i could have alot more dmg. as for block rate, ive tested and saw no difference with a shael in the storm.

[Dimoak]

Thing you say at the end of each of your posts.

Yes I do, and I pay almost ten dollars a month to have it.
Why not get WoW then mep. ^^

[luis19]

Well I look at the stats on my old lvl 74 ww druid and I realized there is something wrong with yours Velco.

At my lvl I had over 8k life using all 3/20/20's like you and a max oak sage. The main difference in our gear is that I used CoH and Duress but that wont make up for the life gap at my lvl. Also Angelics would be far superior to ravens/highlords due to the fact that with enchant, my ww druid had over 50k AR which helps alot vs those high d pallys.

If I were you, I'd rebuild a low strength one using angelics and duress. This way you will have more OW, life, and AR. And then you'll only need to get to the 80's, cause at only lvl 74, my stats were that high.

After maxing ww, lycan, fury, and oak, i also suggest maxing rabies and having a carrion in your stash for whenever you feel like pissing people off.

[mepersoner]

according to his screenies he has both a onehanded setup and a twohanded setupActually, those are both 1-hand, one at 4 frames, 1 at 5 frames.

Uh, 2-hand could be cool, I haven't done it for a titan build.... yet.

Edit: I play a better game Fenris, it's called City of Heroes.

[Velocifero]

u seem to forget i alot more dmg that with 72% deadly strike. theres no way u do more dmg than me even without the deadly strike. those armors u mentioned dont add a thing to life or dmg. i think 165 base str is good for a druid like mine. ill retest with my friends angelics cuz i have none of my own...i think all i need is a ring and the ammy. or we could duel to determine which one of our builds is better? no? :grrr:

[Dimoak]

Actually, those are both 1-hand, one at 4 frames, 1 at 5 frames.

Uh, 2-hand could be cool, I haven't done it for a titan build.... yet.

Edit: I play a better game Fenris, it's called City of Heroes.
:(

I think WoW > CoH.

[Kirsty]

Actually, those are both 1-hand, one at 4 frames, 1 at 5 frames.

Uh, 2-hand could be cool, I haven't done it for a titan build.... yet.

Edit: I play a better game Fenris, it's called City of Heroes.Oh I misread. I thought it said Poleaxe... and I was already wondering if EBotD poleaxe would get you to the right frames...

[~Kazama Fury~]

WoW > CoH, all the way.

fenris eh?

[Dimoak]

WoW > CoH, all the way.

fenris eh?
hmm what?

WoW>All

[~Kazama Fury~]

Edit: I play a better game Fenris, it's called City of Heroes.

hi fenris :howdy:

[Dimoak]

hi fenris :howdy:
You never liked me.

[Sim.The.GoSu]

HEllo as well. though I see you on west so :)

I want to get WoW lol... screw ffxi

[Dolph]

You never liked me.

haha

sorry, just found that funny for some reason :)

[Dimoak]

haha

sorry, just found that funny for some reason :)
Well it's true.

[Kirsty]

not surprised are we :p

[Dimoak]

not surprised are we :p
I was hoping people might have bit of recognition dawning at the -ƒ s.
:\

I wasn't exactly hiding.

And I haven't been naughty, only nice. No flames. ^^

Although, I'm sure there's still a good chance of bannage because mods h8 me even though I try to help.


Apart from that, Hi everyone while I'm still here :wave:

[Velocifero]

wuts WoW, world of warcraft?

[Dolph]

yup .

[Velocifero]

those games look good.

[mepersoner]

WoW > CoH, all the way.

fenris eh?
Have you played CoH? Dependency on your build and powerups > dependency on gear, there is no gear in CoH.

[wangboBW]

Remake the 99 wolf lol! This would be a good waste of at least around 2 month rofl.

[Velocifero]

Remake the 99 wolf lol! This would be a good waste of at least around 2 month rofl.

haha yea it took about that long, built cow tough! yea im keeping him. me and my friend tested with angelics yesterday. both were pretty good. but we decided highlords and pravens were better. ill hit a lil less, but when i hit, i hit hard. with the way pallies life leech, ill take the chance of hitting now and then but smacking away 1/3 of their life or more. wit angelics you might hit a little more, but the dmg u do is just countered when they lifetap u. i do research like no ones business to get where i am. also, FBR isnt worth a shaeled stormy! just to let u know...

[Jova1]

Well I have learned alot from your post, first that my fury/rabies druid does not compare when It comes to life, life is 4k.

7-8k life damn and one person thinks over 10k is possible.

I guess with fury/rabies the shapeshift charms don't cut it when it comes to boosting life like 3/20/20 sc's do. Also I have 1 point in oak boosted with skills, not maxed and no buffing with CTA.

Your testing with shael in stormshield is very helpful, I was not sure about that.

Also testing with pravens and highlords is interesting.

Just curious how well do you do against the high life and defense ww barbs and zeal pallies with that setup. Do you win all/most/some duels against these two.

My fury/rabies druid has 21k ar and finds it difficult against those two opponents. Strategies for ww barbs would be appreciated.

Have you tested Cerebus vs Jalals and if so what were the results. Cerebus no FHR but gain ar and open wounds, I found a minor increase in ar with Cerebus, was expecting a greater increase.

My only suggestion to you would be to try a 4 frame Tomb Reaver 2handed cryptic axe on the non blockable opponents like most casters. Its a awesome weapon and your damage will increase. A combination of shaels, 40/15ias or even one LO in one socket is possible to reach 4 frames.

Cheers.

[Velocifero]

wow :surprise: ...ok lemme get started.


1. vs pallies: keep in mind i have only 21k ar too. but im lvl99...but i usually beat most pallies. but the same pally can also beat me as well sometimes. if they tap, sometimes its usually over if theyre good. ill just walk away and not let them get that opportunity to gloat. sometimes theyre so weak they can tap and ill still beat them. you gotta know ur limit. if they tap at the end of their life keep going. with pallies its all luck id say. whether or not tap hits or not. whether u smack their life away in 2 good swings with deadly strike. its 50/50 sometimes. most good smiters who have a clue are impossible btw. i mean the ones with amp on their weapon and exile. unless u get the first hit...then it depends on how fast they recover. bottom line: lotta factors, know ur limit. experience will teach you that. most druids kant really rich pallies. its almost 50/50 with me. but most pallies arent stellar, so i usually win. keep ur fhr up to 86%.

2. ww barbs: ur best strategy is to stand still or do the ole "go in the corner trick". just dont chase them. you usually arent gonna win here either if theyre really good. but some will get cocky after they hit u a few times and will try to conc you. which is usually pathetically weak and they get owned until they ww away from you back to town. unless theyre a polearm or some other two-handed wwer. they hit hard but when they stop or are left open, its over quick for them. bottom line: stand still and hit them if u really want to try fighting them. if they keep trying to duel you, get a real ranged char to teach them a lesson.

3. cerberus vs. jalals: yes i have also tested with cerberus as well. a +4 skill cerb will give u the same dmg as any jalals. people look at cerberus and go "oh good ar, and open wounds." ehh wrong. the ar, as you saw, was overrated. its like a 1k difference if its a good cerberus. secondly, open wounds doesnt do as much as you think, if they last that long, where u need open wounds. forget it. thirdly...cerberus has no fhr. which as we all know is essential for a fury druid. fourthly, no res at all. unless you dont give a crap about fhr or res use cerberus. but to make up the difference in fhr charms...well good luck with that. bottom line: jalals>cerberus

4. casters: as for your alternative for casters. i must delcine. first off...when i duel casters with my druid, i use a mosers shield with 2 p diamonds in it, giving me 63res easy. the weapon u stated has a range of 30-50 res. finding i good one, wouldnt be easy. and when i hit most casters, they rarely last more than a few seconds cuz of the caddys dmg and speed. they just kant react. wanna know how to tank any fire sorc? :evil: the good ones too? heh heh. yes i have alternate setups for specific casters as well. I SHOULD MAKE DAMN GUIDE!! anyway ill only tell u the firesorc setup. get a Nokozan relic ammy. laying of hands gloves, x2 dwarf star rings, a good res shield, and jalals. with this, no fire sorc will ever kill you again. you learn a few things when u get picked on in pub duels. hell i even kill most hammerdins regardless of their dmg. bottom line: a good res shield and a fast 1 handed weapon goes a long way. mosers and p diamonds are cheap too.

if anyone think my information and tests are helpful but find it annoying looking all over this thread, ill break down and make a guide. let me know if you think im good enough to make one, alright? ok, hope this helps.

[Jova1]

I'd say go with the guide, there is a fury ww guide already written but for .9. Most would say .9 is the same but alot has changed. Not so much on the skill setup but equipment, opponents and strategies. So I say write the guide, everyone has different ideas and strategies and it always helps.

I use a moses with 2 pdiamond also but don't reach max resists. If you abosorb then most people complain. If I can reach max resists I would be happy. The fire resists on the gear you suggested is good tip. Thinking to socket Jalals and storm with resistance.

I have thought about using a santuary shield, has nice resistance, added FHR and dex. Or a spirit ward shield socketed with -req that shield has nice res and block, if the fade kicked in during a duel even better. But I don't see a huge benefit over the moses.

I found the added damage and reach with a tomb reaver helps me against those magic damage opponents like bone necros and hammerdins. I guess the added life you have gives you enough time to take their damage and kill them before they kill you.

Thanks for the response and strategies.

cheers.

[CmdrKikass]

Aren't you guys missing the godly pre-buffs such as:

Swap to 10x summon charms, arach, dual soj, +2 skill armor,+3 skill weapons/shields (+3 skill athena is cheap alternative), delirium +3 oak, +3 summon ammy

Cast oak

Then

Swap to 10x Shapeshift charms, delirium+3 wolf/+3lycanthropy, +3 shape **** ammy

etc. etc.

Then put on dueling gear? It's more than possible to have a lot more life or damage, but if you pre-buff like that and go for maxed lycan+wolf, you get enough extra life to seriously consider HoW instead of oak; your duels will end with you as the victor much more readily with level 47+ how than level 47+ oak.

Unless of course, people frown on that.

[Kirsty]

I don't think duelers will actually do things like that. It takes soo much time to unequip and reequip every time.

[~Kazama Fury~]

Have you played CoH? Dependency on your build and powerups > dependency on gear, there is no gear in CoH.
yes i played the 1 month free trial.

CoH is an interesting concept, i just like WoW more.

its ok mep, you have to accept the fact that not all people share your same interests. =/

[mepersoner]

I would, but as it is I have no room in my stash because of switches for more resists, frw, etc.

[Velocifero]

I don't think duelers will actually do things like that. It takes soo much time to unequip and reequip every time.

kirsty i agree. i could easily do that and get like 10k life from what your saying but in duel games everyone gets beat eventually. the time it takes to do that would drive me crazy. plus my sage gets killed all the time. 2 hits and hes dead, now if you did all that, and he died youd be like, "DAMN IT!!!!!" get all mad before the battle really started. plus having alternate gear for casters or pesky enchant or fire based melee characters is more important. trust me, its a big waste of time. :uhhuh:

[~Kazama Fury~]

i think ive done it once, and that was in a tourney.

but i still do short switches, same as mep, frw, more resists, opt for damage, life, depending situations.

[Kirsty]

a quick change to a +3 shapeshift amulet, 2 sojs and a weapon switch is managable but beyond that I wouldn't really do it.

[mepersoner]

I switch all my charms every duel.

[Velocifero]

I switch all my charms every duel.
that would be 30 small charms each time for me....lemme think about it. no thanks. but i did try gear. with dual bk rings, mara's, and shako, i went from 7.4k life to 8k. and raised my ar by 1k. oh my dmg is now 3.8k with no sacrifices. just a lil update.

[skilledlord]

I'm not using any dupes, besides the runes possibly being duped..This used to be in my sig, but it's just so you can compare:

http://onlinerock.com/fans/mepersoner//screenshot038.jpg
E-BoTD B-Axe

http://onlinerock.com/fans/mepersoner//screenshot034.jpg
Cryptic Sword

this is the super fury wolf.

[dkay]

I switch all my charms every duel.

haha meph u must not duel much then :D
Vel your knowledge on fury wolves shows me that your more than capable of writing a real good guide. (though we dont agree on the spirit thing but thats ok :)) if you do.. good luck ^^;;

[mepersoner]

I take up challenges, challengers have to be patient.

[Velocifero]

thank i will start on it. i dont know where to start, but ill find a way. this whole thread is basically a sloppy guide. i guess i just wanted to be the best. until now i didnt want anyone to know what i knew. i will organize my thoughts and make a proper guide, and share what i have learned. that kind of dmg is easy with an Ith. tho those pics look impossible with that life but low Vit, and no oak sage. ill duel you mep, u on useast?

[mepersoner]

West.

I don't have an ith, or any dupes, as I already stated.

[chrisng]

just get a schaffers... will be like 120-350 1 hand wep damage at your lvl. Or find a 5 socket etheral runemaster then socket zod, 4X40/15... it will be about (200-300) - (400-500) 1 hand wep damage. (i have a empty ethereal 5-socket runemaster and it has 140-320 1 hand damage on it i think) Since u got 39 3/20/20 charms... I think trading some of those in for either a schaffers or a runemaster would make ya own. Besides, with runemaster, you could ditch your ravens becoz you won't be able to freeze.

just my 2 cents on the wep choice.

[mepersoner]

*gives you your change back*

[Velocifero]

are you on crack? shaffers sucks so bad ona fury druid. please tell me you were joking.

[~Kazama Fury~]

that advice was almost as bad as when some guy recommended an ebotd war pike on a fury druid. =/

with that shaffers, correction, he wont own at all, he'll get owned.

heres my advice: please dont give advice if you dont know what you are talking about, theres a nice weapon speed calculator in the sticky section, you may want to test it out just before you post these things. thank you. :O

[Kirsty]

Exchanging ravens isn't a solid advice either since it's quite an important source of attack rating.

[chrisng]

well I said it was only my 2 cents on it. I never had a druid so give me a break man.

Buddies? :buddies:

[mepersoner]

It's okay.

<3

[dkay]

well I said it was only my 2 cents on it. I never had a druid so give me a break man.

Buddies? :buddies:

ive never seen anyone suggest shaeffers o.o
although i did hear hellslayer... but he didnt know what he was talking about either :O

[Forcefeedback]

ive never seen anyone suggest shaeffers o.o
although i did hear hellslayer... but he didnt know what he was talking about either :O

Give the man a break, mistakes happen to the best of us, including me.
*sees "best of us" and "me" in the same sentence* :lol: