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WingBlade
15-09-2004, 04:18
Hey All....
Just got a 6% Arreats for my baba merc... he's using Doombringer and Duress Boneweave... just wondering which is best to socket the Arreats with
More info Doom is 242ED and 18 ED from duress giving a total of 260ED.
A. 15 Max
B. 40 ED
LuckyDwarf
15-09-2004, 05:07
I would opt for the 40% ED jewel.
Doom does, base wise . . .
24 - 52 One Hand
71 - 83 Two Hand
. . . 40% ED would clearly add much more than +15 Max damage on both styles.
Lucky
rpgforumsnet
15-09-2004, 19:40
OTOH depending on what skill he uses the 15 max will be scaled accordingly (zerk).
WingBlade
15-09-2004, 20:28
how bout a 40/15 ;p
Cougar, didn't know u cared so much as to freely give a 40/15 :jig:
@ RPG.. 2 my knowlege, BABA MERCS - don't ZERK
Hey All....
Just got a 6% Arreats for my baba merc... he's using Doombringer and Duress Boneweave... just wondering which is best to socket the Arreats with
More info Doom is 242ED and 18 ED from duress giving a total of 260ED.
A. 15 Max
B. 40 ED
Even with my mules full of stuff and not knowing what to do with it I cant bring myslef to using items like Duress, Socket Arreats on a merc. Just cant do it......They get the 1337 of the 1337 ETH Items I find and other junk!
WingBlade
15-09-2004, 20:59
Even with my mules full of stuff and not knowing what to do with it I cant bring myslef to using items like Duress, Socket Arreats on a merc. Just cant do it......They get the 1337 of the 1337 ETH Items I find and other junk!
Stinger, I'm sure your mercs appreciate every bit of 1337 ETH Items u give them....
When discussing this last night with Wing asked why not socket the sword too, that way you could get both...
What I couldn't remember was which type of jewel should go in a weapon and which should go in armor, any ideas?
When discussing this last night with Wing asked why not socket the sword too, that way you could get both...
What I couldn't remember was which type of jewel should go in a weapon and which should go in armor, any ideas?
Technically it should not matter. There are some jewels that only work in the item they are socketed in (-15 req...I happened to need to look this up today) most do not matter. However according to this site the ED is reported to be buggy in helms and armour so mybe put that in the weapon. Then just sit back and turn him loose I guess unless there are OK's about.
I have a similar question regarding the IK Maul. One Shael is a given, but what to put into the second socket? He's a WWer.
rpgforumsnet
15-09-2004, 22:41
blah... need to read carefully. I thought it's his barb not his barb's barb merc....
Anyway the barb merc uses bash, rite?
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WingBlade
15-09-2004, 23:48
blah... need to read carefully. I thought it's his barb not his barb's barb merc....
Anyway the barb merc uses bash, rite?
Actually it's my sorc's baba merc :P - n they can use either Bash / Stun..
ZounceHC
16-09-2004, 00:21
From my experience I think a 15 max would add more to the max damage than a 40ed jewel (in armors). This was probably using zerk so i'm not sure if it would also apply for a baba merk using bash/stun. If it's in the weapon then a 40ed jewel would probably be better. On the other hand, ed/ias jewels are a lot more expensive than max/ias jewels so that doesn't reallly match up with what I said earlier. Just throwing around some ideas.
LuckyDwarf
16-09-2004, 04:09
I don't see how +15 max comes even close to the 40% ED, because the 40% ED not only adds more than +15 max, but it has min too. So... what's the debate about? By the way, ed/max is buggy in armors, not plain ed.
Lucky
ZounceHC
16-09-2004, 04:22
My experience came from a lvl 39 HS charger. I made a 177ed Shield and tried it out then tried out a 60max/60ed shield and the increase in max damage of the second shield was amazing. Of course these were 4 x 30ed jewels but even if the extra 40ed was added I think the second shield would still have came out on top. I think ed jewels are best in weapons with good base damage because of the percentage. Maybe i'm terribly mistaken as to what I remember. All I know is that on my high lvl zerker with 8k zerk a 10 max gc added 150 to his max damage. Anyone know how much a 40 ed jewel would add to an 8k zerk?
LuckyDwarf
16-09-2004, 04:24
In an elite sword, Doombringer is a Champion sword, the +15 max can't even come close to a 40% ED jewel in the weapon.
Lucky
WingBlade
16-09-2004, 04:27
Well so far I only have 1 40 ED... I think I have a 38ED as well... but I'll prob pop that 40 into the Arreats - once I find a char that has an avail socket Q.
BTW, can u use the cube to socket a Uniq?
ZounceHC
16-09-2004, 04:32
Yeah I knew that a 40%ed would outperform a 15max in a weapon (I never disputed this). But what about in armors? How is enchanced damage calculated in armor/helms ?? I still think that a 15 max arreats would add more to the MAX damage than a 40ed Arreats. My opinion is that for a Zerker having a better max damage is preferable, whereas for a WWer the slightly less max and good min is preferable due to the mulitple hitting property of the skill.
Cleglaw_Himself
16-09-2004, 08:44
Answer: all things considered, for a baba merc, put a 40% ed jewel in the Arreat's.
WingBlade
16-09-2004, 11:45
Well I've placed the 40ED into the Arreats... but I was 2 tired to try it out... maybe 2day...
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