doom runeword with wind druid ?

[yossi512]

hi i just wondered what to use with my wind druid?
hoto or doom?
i thought about doom becuase of - to cold resistence in my doom its -54
what to use?

[Beowulf]

Not worth it since a wind druid relies on tornado for killing and the cane is more defensive. Hoto all the way with hte +skill and cast are excellent for a wind druid to help increase your spamming rate.

[yossi512]

ok thanks i still need to lvlup to use hoto and all the rest of my gear
thanks

[Kirsty]

The only bad thing about Doom is that it has no cast rate bonus and maybe the resistance bonus that Heart of the Oak provides. Other than that it's not a bad idea to be using one since you get an extra defensive aura as bonus and the codl damage is more helpful than most people seem to think.
If you can get enough resistance and cast rate without having to use Heart of the Oak then I would definately go with a Doom.

[Rauth]

If I could make up the 40 fc without too much sacrifice I would use a doom.

Unfortunately, I can't see any way without losing something I want, be it res or dr. Best combo I can think of would be a .08 valk um'ed with a 20fc 2 druid skills amy with 20resall, but thats nl and Really expensive. It would really only be helpful against some casters so you could always switch out lidless/doom for casters and use hoto/ss for melee. Res would really be a pain with this setup though.

Some quick math on how much damage hurricane would do with doom. Lets say you start at 2.5k damage. 1/6 for 416 damage at 0 res. Most decent duelers have max res although many neglect cold res since it is pretty pointless against sorcs unless you stack. So you could be doing anywhere from 800ish to 370ish with just hurricane(enough to send into fhr if they have bad res). Most melee wear a raven so the damage wouldn't help all that much vs them except the holy freeze aura(slow ww is Not something you want to tank though). Anyone using a wizspike will probably have enough res to negate doom(bone necs, hammerdins), so switching out may not be worth it vs them. Obviously using doom against another windy wouldn't be ideal either.

Bottom line is, if you are Really insanely rich(10 shimmerings of vita, .08valk, godly druid fc amy, etc) doom can be a great caster surprise that gives you an edge to win. If you aren't super rich, stick with the hoto/ss because you lose too much to make up with doom.

[Kirsty]

Well, a rare circlet is a lot better than 1.08 valkyrie wing, plus faster cast rings with a nice resistance bonus and some stat or life/mana bonuses would fit in nicely too.

I'd sooner use the holy freeze against melee opponents since for them it actually matters whether they are slowed or not and they have a lot more resistance problems than casters. 1 raven is nice but it won't suffice in negating all hurricane damage, especially not if you know how to optimise its usage.

[yossi512]

i use arch trang gloves
i can get 60 fcr with lidless but i will have to replace it with my storm
so 40 fcr is good enough if i use doom instead of hoto?

[Rauth]

I love it when people imply they know how to use a skill better than anyone else without saying how...but I won't go there.

Do not go lower than 80fc if you want to teleport(I think the breakpoint is slightly lower than that, but not by much).

Holy freeze is not needed against melee at all. Ww just hits more when its slow. All other melee are not really a problem for a windy.

Fc rings I assume are already included in a 100fc build. I personally can't stand 80fc so I always use fc rings with sweet mods. If I used doom, it would be with 100fc and no less. The main advantage doom gives you is against casters, and without the fc to catch them it is useless.

[Kirsty]

I like people who read more into another persons post than there actually is.
I didn't say anything about skill because it doesn't take much skill. The only thing you have to know about hurricane is that it isn't as static as most people think it is and treat it that way. When you moves it shifts with you but with a delay dependant on your running speed. You can easily create fields with it if you move around enough.
I guess this is similar to armageddon because with that skill people often think that the meteors fall irratically, which isn't quite right. Similarly hurricane can be shaped in its area damage and therefore used to great utility. Most people just don't use it because they rely on teleport-tornado to do the only damage they ever want and see hurricane as only a slight deterrent or bonus to trigger hit recovery animations.

The breakpoints are 68% and 99%, so basically 70% and 100%.
Faster cast rings aren't needed for a 100% build since 20% can come from gloves, 20% from belt, 40% from Heart of the Oak and 20% from Lidless Wall.
If you want to vary the shield with stormshield ofr instance you can get 50% from Wizardspike and 10% from a good rare amulet without having to change rings... although if you want to keep Heart of the Oak you're bound to get one faster cast ring or you have to cope with a good +2 druid circlet that has a faster cast rate bonus.

Whirlwind doesn't hit more when it's slow either. 4fps doesn't become 2fps when a barbarian is slowed, the whirl is just more dense in one area.

Hurricane is best used when you're not teleporting and since it doesn't very well allow a full 99% cast rate build you're bound to run more anyway. Since casters generally don't have a problem getting high resistance or stacking it, doom isn't much of an item to use against them. It's still very possible to get to 99% and use doom of course, but it does mean a very non-standard gear setup. That can actually be quite good to see for a change.

[Dimoak]

I love it when people imply they know how to use a skill better than anyone else without saying how...but I won't go there.

Do not go lower than 80fc if you want to teleport(I think the breakpoint is slightly lower than that, but not by much).

Holy freeze is not needed against melee at all. Ww just hits more when its slow. All other melee are not really a problem for a windy.

Fc rings I assume are already included in a 100fc build. I personally can't stand 80fc so I always use fc rings with sweet mods. If I used doom, it would be with 100fc and no less. The main advantage doom gives you is against casters, and without the fc to catch them it is useless.
Well, Rauth, you have to remember that Kirsty is really a pvm person. She knows all about that, and can probably find a use for anything, but some of her suggestions might seem a little strange to us pvp oriented guys who only want the best. ><

Kirsty, people only think meteors fall randomly because it's much simpler. In truth a computer can never make a random sequence.

Also...all viable pvp wind druids tele. If you're fighting tele opponents, you're almost always going to die if you don't have Enigma. I know it's nice to tell the poor people that they'll do fine, but they won't.

A non standard gear setup is not necessarily good, even if it's different. Sure it's nice to see people varying things, but this guy asked which was better and it's hoto. :)

HoTO is also quite cheaper..meaning you could buy more charms with what you spent on the doom and whatnot.

-ƒ

[Rauth]

Anything I say will be for pvp unless I say otherwise. :)

Hurricane really can only be used like that if you don't teleport. Without teleport you lose to a good portion more than you lose to with it.

Using doom would be the only real way to make hurricane do serious damage in a teleporting situation. There are a billion ways to get the right fc, I just didn't feel like listing them all :(

When I said ww hits more, I meant YOU get hit more by it. The attacks are more condensed, hence hitting you more. I've seen this a lot with my ww sin against doom/astreons smiters. On the other hand, so much slow lags the crap out of ww and they get desynched often(Really annoying if your the one wwing).


Sure, its easy to get res on any char, but Most sorcs, necros, and whatnot don't even have max cold res much less 60 stacked. Good ones will most likely have a 160 cold res shield and stuff, but the chances of them switching to that against a wind druid are slim. If they do, all the better for you. Somewhat like a v/t in that sense.

Doom would really only be a viable option for the super rich, since you would need some Godly rares to make up fc and res.

I'm thinking of just using doom/um'd lidless/20fc druid amy for casters and maras/ss/hoto for melee. Seems the best way to go, because circlets make you lose shakos bo skills/mana/life/dr while amys only make you lose a bit of res and the bo skills.

[Kirsty]

I'm actually both pvp and pvm oriented concerning elementalists. They have always been my main druid type in every patch of the expansion so I know my share. You're probably right on the rare items thing, but I wouldn't know how expensive they are since I don't trade and I have found tons of the things since I've played for so long by now.

[bronzdragon5545]

my set up is

ammy -
2 elem skills
20fcr
10str
10res
other stats

belt -
spiderweb
20fcr

helm -
2 elem skills
20fcr
11res
other stats

rings -
10fcr
10fcr
res's

gloves -
trangs
20fcr

wep -
doom
-57 cold res

boots -
eth treks

shield -
ss um'ed

so i cant say nothin bad about hoto, but doom all the way! and im lookin for a better helm to... and a 4 lo'ed shield

[bronzdragon5545]

Bottom line is, if you are Really insanely rich(10 shimmerings of vita, .08valk, godly druid fc amy, etc) doom can be a great caster surprise that gives you an edge to win. If you aren't super rich, stick with the hoto/ss because you lose too much to make up with doom.


dont use a anni? i guess that guy got rich off ebaying
:creep:

[Rauth]

Simple mistake?
I forget, everyones perfect but me :(

Not exactly sure who you are refering to when you say "that guy", since I wasn't talking about anyone in that post. I was simply listing some things a very rich person would have. Unless, of course, you are refering to me, which is pretty stupid.

I wouldn't use your setup personally. Loses too many skills for bo and too many skills to oak.

[GDawgUnit]

Simple mistake?
I forget, everyones perfect but me :(

Not exactly sure who you are refering to when you say "that guy", since I wasn't talking about anyone in that post. I was simply listing some things a very rich person would have. Unless, of course, you are refering to me, which is pretty stupid.

I wouldn't use your setup personally. Loses too many skills for bo and too many skills to oak.

ooh stop trying to hide it russ, you ebay like mad

[Rauth]

Never!


stupid 10 character thingy...