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Kefir-Tribe
08-09-2004, 00:35
This guide has been posted in the Single Player forum. But I post it here too, in purpose to gather more critique.
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Edit: Here (http://forums.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=246211) it is.

Rauth
08-09-2004, 01:04
Interesting guide. :)

I just wanted to point out that I know for sure oak sage isn't immune to phys in hell, only in nm. He is immune to poison in hell. Not sure about HoW as I have never had cause to use it.

Dimoak
08-09-2004, 03:46
I don't really see how you can recommend this kind of stuff on a 'legit' forum. If the game was played as many people here advocate it you wouldn't be able to twink on single player because ATMA is a third party program. :\

Why is your life and stuff so low? You don't need a ton of dex for max block and with lycan/wolf/possibly oak you should get quite a bit.

I suppose PDR is an inexpensive way to survive most melee in hell, but I'm sure if you ran into a pack of frenzytaurs you'd still be quite dead am I right?

Tgods doesn't totally negate gloams. It reduces a good chunk though.

Although, with the MDR on glad's bane I suppose it probably would.

aznbboi16
08-09-2004, 04:35
I'm pretty sure ATMA, even though a 3rd party program, is widely accepted on the single player forum and they even have links to download it.

He doesn't have block, this is a witchwild string wolf. Meaning he's using a bow. Which also means he's pumping dex for damage.

Seems like a cool build to me. Never thought of using a WWS on a wolf.

Dimoak
08-09-2004, 05:35
I'm pretty sure ATMA, even though a 3rd party program, is widely accepted on the single player forum and they even have links to download it.

He doesn't have block, this is a witchwild string wolf. Meaning he's using a bow. Which also means he's pumping dex for damage.

Seems like a cool build to me. Never thought of using a WWS on a wolf.
It's still a third party program.

I know, I said since he doesn't have block he should have life.

It's pretty cool I guess.

mepersoner
08-09-2004, 05:38
Uh? Titan build with dex, he wouldn't have a lot of life unless he had great charms.

Dimoak
08-09-2004, 05:47
Uh? Titan build with dex, he wouldn't have a lot of life unless he had great charms.
: \

Just seems fragile to me, even with all the DR.

Kefir-Tribe
08-09-2004, 16:09
Interesting guide.

I just wanted to point out that I know for sure oak sage isn't immune to phys in hell, only in nm. He is immune to poison in hell. Not sure about HoW as I have never had cause to use it


Ah, thanks a lot. I’ll run some tests.




I don't really see how you can recommend this kind of stuff on a 'legit' forum. If the game was played as many people here advocate it you wouldn't be able to twink on single player because ATMA is a third party program. :\

I won’t discuss if ATMA is legit or not. But no matter what, you’re wrong here. There’re two absolutely legit ways to twink a singe player character. One, use two computers, two d2s and a LAN connection. Two, get help from a friend via open battle.net. However, there’re people who don’t like to twink at all. I think I’ll add a note on this in the introduction.


Why is your life and stuff so low? You don't need a ton of dex for max block and with lycan/wolf/possibly oak you should get quite a bit.

(And stuff?) This is kind of a Titan build but with dexterity instead of strength. This is not done to get maxblock, as you point out, but it’s for damage. Therefore you’ve to make sacrifices. The life is probably low, yes, but that’s why you should use PDR as explained in the guide. Perhaps I’ll rewrite it a bit too make things clearer. No offence of course.


I suppose PDR is an inexpensive way to survive most melee in hell, but I'm sure if you ran into a pack of frenzytaurs you'd still be quite dead am I right?

As mentioned in the guide, PDR can be “inexpensive” but the best equipment can be very hard to come by. If you’re referring to Moon-, Night-, Blood-, Hell- and Death Lords, they can deal maximum 139 dmg/hit which means your character will take 39 dmg if you use 100 PDR and 0 dmg if the monster(s) is cursed by Weaken from Soul Drainer. So you won’t be “quite dead”. But if they got Fanatism, Might or Fire Enchant they’re very dangerous. But in those cases I think twice before fighting them with any melee character.


Tgods doesn't totally negate gloams. It reduces a good chunk though.

Although, with the MDR on glad's bane I suppose it probably would.

Correct. What I mean is that they won’t bother you if your character use T-Gods. I’ll reconsider my choice of words.




Uh? Titan build with dex, he wouldn't have a lot of life unless he had great charms.

True, but it doesn’t mean it’s a fragile build. though it’s more fragile then a vita pumping druid.