Best 2 Handed Weap for Wearwolf Druid...

[lesofprimus]

I would assume a BOTD Eth T-Maul...

But I'd like to hear other options...

My Werewolf is at level 93 and Fury is the name of the game...
Wearing Stone armor...
Using BOTD Eth CB...
Draculs...
Jalals...
Gores...
Maras...
Ravenfrost...
Rune Master Ring...
Verdungos...

[rogier]

wrong ;) no runeword weapons for a melee druid at all ;)


take eth tomb reaver 3 sock, and socket either shaelshaelzod or ed/iasx2+zod.


downside: thing is as expensive as a botd on ladder a perfect unsocketed one that is

[Lunatic]

Well a BotD eth giant thresher isn't all that bad. It can hit 8/5 fury , although the eth tomb reaver with dual IAS / ed jewel + Zod will hit the 7/4 fury.

[2JZ-GTTE]

If you want to make a BotD giant thresher, it'd be better if you made BotD in a great poleaxe. Both swing at the same speed, but the great poleaxe does more damage.

[Lunatic]

If you want to make a BotD giant thresher, it'd be better if you made BotD in a great poleaxe. Both swing at the same speed, but the great poleaxe does more damage.
You're sure? I thought the initial frame was 9 instead of 8. Not that it matters all that much. 28 or 29 frames in total is hardly worth the effort , you're better off with the GPA yes.

The reason why I said GT was because I have one of those myself (gogo grim reaper barb look) , but you're right , the GPA > GT dmg/time wise.

[lesofprimus]

Thanks for the advice fellas.....

[2JZ-GTTE]

The initial frame is 9 with no points in werewolf, but after a few points it increases to 8.

[lesofprimus]

So between the BOTD Eth Great Poleaxe, or the Eth 3 sock Tomb Reaver, which do we go for???

This is non-ladder... And cost is irrelevant..

[2JZ-GTTE]

Eth 3-socketed tomb reaver is the right choice. Good luck in getting one and have fun with it.

[TheKbob]

My druid has Eth 3 Sock Tomb Reaver, Eth BotD GP , AND Eth BotD Archon Staff.

For Fun, staff rocks

For efficiency, GP (cost vs. dmg and such)

For Being unique, super fast, and still kickin rear, Eth Tomb Reaver.

Note: I paid around 10~12x290s for mine just recently, to give you a price range (nonlad, USEast)

~Kbob

[lesofprimus]

TY for the info...

[mepersoner]

My preference:

E-Tomb Reaver
Upp'd Ribcracker
E-BoTD Great Poleaxe

[Dimoak]

Gogo tomb for resists.

[TheKbob]

Gogo tomb for resists.

I sport CoH and Um Jalals, so res are never really a prob... I just like the huge mf bonus I get just for swinging a wicked weapon.

~Kbob

[F1R3STR1D3R]

Tomb reaver has 1 less range than a great poleaxe, But my vote is on the tomb reaver Speed + resists. I also hate the annoying botd poison nova.

I tested on single player and got 16k max damage with eth ed/iasx2 zod tomb reaver without a might merc

And dimoak LMAO.. ur avatar... funny

[Mepha]

This (http://www.villagephotos.com/viewpubimage.asp?id_=9893413&selected=1004132) ?

:)

[mepersoner]

That's nifty too, but a little slow for my taste. I'd go non-ethereal up'd with ed/ias jewel.

[TheKbob]

Tomb reaver has 1 less range than a great poleaxe, But my vote is on the tomb reaver Speed + resists. I also hate the annoying botd poison nova.

I tested on single player and got 16k max damage with eth ed/iasx2 zod tomb reaver without a might merc

And dimoak LMAO.. ur avatar... funny

With HoW Im guessing or list other gear. 16K is quite mighty...

~Kbob

[mepersoner]

I had 16K without a merc using BoTD Great Poleaxe, and I was setup for being able to use full-block and I was using max damage charms as well as Enigma. I'm sure with less points in dex, using SS charms and different armor, that could be as high as 20K (rough estimate). I'm sure a 360% ED tomb reaver would be real close in damage.

[2JZ-GTTE]

Shapeshift charms give more damage than max damage charms? I didn't think skills gave you too much damage. You sure on that, mep?

[Dimoak]

Shapeshift charms give more damage than max damage charms? I didn't think skills gave you too much damage. You sure on that, mep?
I think 3x 3/20/20 is probably more damage. Unless you have rabies of course.

[rogier]

1hand get max/life
2hand get shape/life. not that hard to know since +3max on a 8xx max dmg wpn isnt very high %

[TheKbob]

These large damage builds, are they with HoW? My Druid only hits 9K with his excellent gear and 389% BotD GP

~Kbob

[F1R3STR1D3R]

Tomb enchanted:
HoW:16k dam 29k ar 5281 life
Oak: 14k dam 24k ar 7755 life
BotD GP enchanted:
HoW: 16k dam 31k ar 5341 life
Oak: 14k dam 25k ar 7815 life

This is on a full block on switch build
Base strength is 137

Anny
33*3/20/20
6*3/20/5
160/36str ***'s armor of whale
40/9str Jalals
2x 8min/120ar/25str/15dex/60life rings
Gore riders
Highlords
Eth tomb 2x 40/15ias zod
415% BotD GP
60/20 steelrends
verdungos

[Dimoak]

Tomb enchanted:
HoW:16k dam 29k ar 5281 life
Oak: 14k dam 24k ar 7755 life
BotD GP enchanted:
HoW: 16k dam 31k ar 5341 life
Oak: 14k dam 25k ar 7815 life

This is on a full block on switch build
Base strength is 137

Anny
33*3/20/20
6*3/20/5
160/36str ***'s armor of whale
40/9str Jalals
2x 8min/120ar/25str/15dex/60life rings
Gore riders
Highlords
Eth tomb 2x 40/15ias zod
415% BotD GP
60/20 steelrends
verdungos
Try shapeshift charms.

[aznbboi16]

With an extremely high damage weapon, Shapeshift charms may boost damage more than fine sc's.
For example: a 3/xx sc on my wolf adds about 20-30 damage, and a Shapeshift GC adds around 50. With a higher damage weapon however, the sc will still add about 20-30, while a shapeshift gc will add 17% more damage.
I dunno how much damage ebotd GPAs get, but lets say you have an 800 max weapon, a SS gc will add about 136 damage (800 x .17 = 136), which is higher than 3 sc's will add. You'd have to find the right balance of fines and Shapeshift gcs for max damage.

[F1R3STR1D3R]

Try shapeshift charms.
substituting 10x shape/45lifes for 30x 3/20/20
Tomb enchanted:
HoW: 17k damage 5365 life 24k ar
Oak: 15k damage 7577 life 20k ar
BotD GP enchanted:
HoW: 16k damage 27k ar 5425 life
Oak: 14k damage 23k ar 7637 life

By the way all these were prebuffed with Mang songs and CtA

[F1R3STR1D3R]

I could change the helm to something better like a +3fury, +3lycan, +3how with 3x 40/9str or is there something better than that?

[Dimoak]

I could change the helm to something better like a +3fury, +3lycan, +3how with 3x 40/9str or is there something better than that?
Eh...
I'd say perfect Cerberus w/40.9 str would be best considering ar and OW.

But then again, Jeweler's pelt of __ with +3 fury, +3 how, +2 lycan and 3 40/9s would be pretty good as well, probably higher max damage if you prebuffed with jalal.

[mepersoner]

I think 3x 3/20/20 is probably more damage. Unless you have rabies of course.You're wrong.

Edit: Should've read my guide.

[Dimoak]

You're wrong.

Edit: Should've read my guide.
u r bm.

I never said it was for sure, was just speculating.

[mepersoner]

It depends on a variety of factors. The damage of your weapon is the main factor, the more damage your weapon does, the better SS charms become. I think if someone uses a pefect CCSoQ and has the typical strength of a vita wolf druid, a mix of SS charms and max is best. All strength the max become better (because it's game of whether adding to base or the multipliers ups the damage).

For example, if I have 900% enhanced damage (from strength, gear, skills etc.) and I have a weapon with 300 average damage. Let's see what happens.

3 max damage charms would add 10 * 9 = 90/2 = 45 average damage.

1 SS charm would add (10.17 * 300) - (10.00 * 300) = 51 average damage.

[2JZ-GTTE]

Alright, mep, you win. I think I understand now. Thanks.

[Kaerrevival]

eth botd archon staff :p

[raiderjb]

What about eth glorious axe? There was a thread some months back stating reasons why this was the best, cant remember but think it was prolly best average damage.

And what about the big debate between 3 x 40//15 ias and a lo Griz Caddy.

And what about the CCSOQ CMSOQ etc etc 3 sox 1.09 weapons argument

And what about godly rares with 2 sox 40ias fools cruel etc etc pre//affixes

Come on druids lets have a decent good ol fashioned reasoned argument like usual

Stokin up the Fires Raider

[TheKbob]

Well we are mainly discussing two handed weapons which things of old, such as the Cruel GPs of Q and the Cruel GTs of Q cant compete anymore. There are now BotDs which fill those slots and now ribcracker is a solid contendor. Add in off beat cult hits like Archon Staff and Glorious Axe...

Finally, there is the king that is the Eth Tomb Reaver

~Kbob

[Fearoth]

Rare feral axe 450% ed 2 sockets 40% ias is the best weapon

[ToThePoint]

Surely there isn't much discussion to be had - eth tombreaver 2 ed/ias zod.
Only ones which could maybe be compared are ones like ribcracker (eth / upped etc optional) with great crushing blow etc but the fact that they are too slow (esp eth upped) imo rules them out.

rare feral isn't best weapon its pretty (well compared to the best) weak, used to be on terms of pure damage at 4 frames an eth cruel feral of quickness zod shael gave the best but you need to rethink now for 1.10.

heres a few numbers :
perf tombreaver ed/ias socketed : 225-1035 (630 av)
non eth feral 2 ed/ias : 157-774 (465.5 av)
so way less already
if we make that weapon ethereal and zod shael (cant get self rep with those mods) we get : 203-1012 (607.5 av)
So even ethereal version is lower average, but if we add 2 damage mods 20min and 20 max for a 6 mod perfect rare then average of 627.5 is obtained. (insert your own mods here - just did those off top of my head and its not like you will find it anyway:))

So even the pie in the sky feral is lower than an just obtainable tombreaver.

Just for reference the best botd for average is glorious axe with the highest average able to reach 5 frames, perfect 415% = 463-957 (710 av) but its hitting over 25% slower so is inferior also (nice mods though).

[Dimoak]

450 E/D 2 soc 40ias eth self repairs can spawn...In fact you'd have room for one more mod.
Damage is 233-1159 (with no 6th mod)
Eth tomb ShaelShael Zod 186-855 (if 2x ed/ias better dmg is 225-1035)

So, a feral axe is better ^_^;
But rarer. Although gl 'finding' an eth perf tomb, zod rune, and 2x 40/15ias jewels. lol

[ToThePoint]

you cannot get more than 3 prefix's thus the weapon you state cannot spawn as i said above.
(So, an eth tombreaver is better ^_^; )
Tombreaver is far more simple to find, all ladder cryptics dropped by certain monsters have a chance of being unique - 1 in 20 or so of these are ethereal.
As the limits of the unique weapons are predefined, a good tombreaver is FAR FAR more common than a close to perfect rare 6 mod weapon.
I dont suggest finding the tombreaver etc, i suggest finding other things to trade for them, the fact they were perfect was only for calculation purposes but thanks for the imput. (lol)

[TheKbob]

Just be known, an eth tomb reaver will set you back. I dont trade anymore, but in the changing nonlad economy, last I heard that the 32020 has overtaken the 290 in value, and that prob it would set you back 10x32020s or more... (I traded 10~12x290s for mine a few weeks back).

Eth Tomb is real kewl, I just gotta remake my druid to have HoW.

~Kbob

[Dimoak]

you cannot get more than 3 prefix's thus the weapon you state cannot spawn as i said above.
(So, an eth tombreaver is better ^_^; )
Tombreaver is far more simple to find, all ladder cryptics dropped by certain monsters have a chance of being unique - 1 in 20 or so of these are ethereal.
As the limits of the unique weapons are predefined, a good tombreaver is FAR FAR more common than a close to perfect rare 6 mod weapon.
I dont suggest finding the tombreaver etc, i suggest finding other things to trade for them, the fact they were perfect was only for calculation purposes but thanks for the imput. (lol)
Uhh, check again kid.

Cruel Master's Mechanic's (those are prefixes ;)) of Quickness Self-Repair

So, eth feral is better.

Your chances of finding an ethereal, high e/d, 3 socket tomb reaver are very very low. Add to that 'finding' a zod and 2x 40/15ias, well...

[ToThePoint]

hum ofc that right about the prefixes doh. Guess i'll load arreat next time.
You stated again the chances to find an eth tombreaver are small, thats true but then the chance to find anything specific in the game is small.

Rough steps to find a perfect tombreaver
find a cryptic axe
it is unique
it is ethereal
it has 3 sockets (1/3 chance afaik)
it has 280% ( 1/81 chance)
total chance for a unique ethereal cryptic to be perfect damage 3 sockets = 1/243 on a unique ethereal cryptic
chance for 40/15 is 1/34510
chance for zod no idea
cant easily combine them due to differing base drops.

chance to find a perfect axe
find a feral axe
it is ethereal
it is rare
it has cruel mod from many mods possible
it is a 300% cruel (1/12400)
it has masters mod from many mods possible
it is a 150% masters (1/6200)
it has mechanics mod from many mods possible
it is 2 sockets (1/412)
chance for these 3 mods all at once = 1/3.17x10^10
it has quickness mod from many mods possible (1/70)
it has selfrepair from many mods possible (1/74 or 1/116)
chance for these two ~ 3163 i think
total chance for the 5 mod version = 1/100,000,000,000,000 on a rare ethereal feral

Anyway, got no idea of base drop chances but i personally have 2 ethereal tombreavers and have seen many for trade - however i have never ever seen an axe like that rare for trade.
Maybe you can shed some more light on the figures.

Thanks for the kid comment btw. Makes you seem all grown up.

[Dimoak]

hum ofc that right about the prefixes doh. Guess i'll load arreat next time.
You stated again the chances to find an eth tombreaver are small, thats true but then the chance to find anything specific in the game is small.

Rough steps to find a perfect tombreaver
find a cryptic axe
it is unique
it is ethereal
it has 3 sockets (1/3 chance afaik)
it has 280% ( 1/81 chance)
total chance for a unique ethereal cryptic to be perfect damage 3 sockets = 1/243 on a unique ethereal cryptic
chance for 40/15 is 1/34510
chance for zod no idea
cant easily combine them due to differing base drops.

chance to find a perfect axe
find a feral axe
it is ethereal
it is rare
it has cruel mod from many mods possible
it is a 300% cruel (1/12400)
it has masters mod from many mods possible
it is a 150% masters (1/6200)
it has mechanics mod from many mods possible
it is 2 sockets (1/412)
chance for these 3 mods all at once = 1/3.17x10^10
it has quickness mod from many mods possible (1/70)
it has selfrepair from many mods possible (1/74 or 1/116)
chance for these two ~ 3163 i think
total chance for the 5 mod version = 1/100,000,000,000,000 on a rare ethereal feral

Anyway, got no idea of base drop chances but i personally have 2 ethereal tombreavers and have seen many for trade - however i have never ever seen an axe like that rare for trade.

Thanks for the kid comment btw. Makes you seem all grown up.
Thanks for spouting misinformation for 4 posts, makes you seem like you do your homework.

Finding a cryptic axe is already fairly rare, but we'll say cryptic and feral have the same drop rate, though I think feral drops more.

Finding a unique cryptic depends a lot on your mf. 1/20 of those will be eth, and like you said 1/81 of those will be perf, and 1/3 will be 3 soc.

Chance of finding 40/15 is quite low. Chance of finding a Zod is VERY, VERY low.

Now...I'm not saying you're more likely to find a perfect feral axe, but the chances are both so small (say .00006% vs. .00008%) that it doesn't really matter. You aren't going to 'find' either, although trading for a crypt would be hard but easier.

[ToThePoint]

ah sorry i made a correct post so you rant as a cover - ok.

finding a rare feral will also depend on your mf, and will also be 1/20 for ethereal.

I am not suggesting that you find these things, but other things can be traded for them. vex is the same price as zod on my realm atm and is much more common so eg id just need to find vex - etc.
To get the components at seperate times is much easier than finding your axe all in one go.

Trading for an eth tombreaver is indeed easier as i believe they exist, id be happy for you to show me that feral axe.

I'm justa kid i am too young for any real homework sorry old wise one.

[mepersoner]

You guys are forgetting to factor in 40/15's and zod runes etc. are mass duped.

Well actually, ToThePoint was trying to make that point, I think. It isn't all about finding the item off a monster..

[Fearoth]

Actually u can have a thresher or a GT rare with similar mods as the feral axe and it would be even better :) but u would need all those mods together: 2 sockets, quickness and self-repair :)

[Dimoak]

Actually u can have a thresher or a GT rare with similar mods as the feral axe and it would be even better :) but u would need all those mods together: 2 sockets, quickness and self-repair :)
Thresher range is too low. GT is prolly better even though feral's max is higher.

[raiderjb]

Ah thats better

Well cruel masters and mechanics // quickness self repair is ok, but I think I prefer cruel, fools mechanics for the say 45 to max and insane ar.

The big deal is you always manage to hit those nasty palas and check out elec blues guide for some screenies of 1 + 2 h godly rares.

They are out there guys just gotta keep ID all those rares

Oh and by the way, giant thresher better avg damage and has the benefit of range 5 of range 3 for the feral, nice for those nasty casters.

Any more bestest godly fury weaps?

Cheers raider

[Fearoth]

Ok best possible weapon we could have is a ethereal great poleaxe with 450% ed 40% ias self-repair and 2 sockets (the ias+repair+sockets is a must if u want to reach the -75 bp for 2 handers). The GP would have the highest average of all possible rare 2 handers that can reach 4 fpa. Socket it with shael+ 40/15 ias jewel. Possible other mods can be:
9 ll/9 ml
+2xx AR
+20 min/max damage
+strength (up to +30 if "of atlas" spawns on rare weapons or not otherwise up to +20)
-requirements (-20% or -40%)
+damage and AR to demons or undead

This I believe would be the ultimate fury weapon.
(If the base speed of colossus voulge is 0 then it could also be considered due to massive max damage and no dex requirement- it has range 3 however).

[Arith-Matic]

I jus gotta say...you people are WAAAAAAAY too rich...


gogo IK maul!!!

[2JZ-GTTE]

Well.... if you want the "best" then you have to almost always be somewhat rich.