sorc shield question

[Bowser!]

hey im new to HC by a few days and i came up on a few awesome shields...problem is i'm not sure which one i should use on my sorc...my choices are as follows:

whistans guard
ancients pledge(ral ort tal) in a large shield
and viscerataunt

i plan to do a bunch of NM MF runs including baal, the chaos sanc, and of course mephisto...oh and my sorc will be blizzard and this is how i would lay it out:

20 blizzard
20 ice blast
10 cm
1-10 warm
20 tk
1 es
1 teleport
1 shiver armor
and whatever else i can into synergies and static

any input will be appreciated....cheers :drink:

[ReformedYokel]

Whitstan's Guard is arguably the best sorc shield you could use. Personally I prefer Moser's Blessed Round with 2 Pdiamond, but Whitstan's is easier to keep max block and has faster block rate, which is good.

[stevethatsmyname]

I am assuming that, based on two of those shield choices, you will be a blocker.

I would personally use whitstans guard for now. But this also depends on your other gear setup. If you have maxed resist without a shield, then go for whitstans guard! Then MF your heart out. Then... when you can afford lem+ko runes, (or an extra set of lem+ko after you made your wealth armor :D) you can upgrade your viscurant for blocking comparable to whitstans and +1 sorceress skills. (Assumin this is on Hardcore Ladder ;) )

F.Y.I my sorceress is using rhyme shield because i am generaly not a fan of weapon switching just before a boss kill.

[Mcsaladshaker]

I'd go with ancients pledge, Thats the shield I usually use untill i can find a mosers or something

[STINGER]

Whitstans/Wizzy/Viper the gear of Gods..............well....it works awesomely

I think upped Viscreataunt will cost you like 40-50 more dex, I recall this being brought up before but dont hold me to those numbers.

Charms make the HC sorc.....life, more life and more life, slap in a MF charm or two and a couple mana charms.

IMO Warmth sucks but that is your choice, I would rather put points into teleport before warmth.

Go base Energy.........any poinst in Energy is a waste in Xpac!

[baalos]

Whitstans/Wizzy/Viper the gear of Gods..............well....it works awesomely

I think upped Viscreataunt will cost you like 40-50 more dex, I recall this being brought up before but dont hold me to those numbers.

Charms make the HC sorc.....life, more life and more life, slap in a MF charm or two and a couple mana charms.

IMO Warmth sucks but that is your choice, I would rather put points into teleport before warmth.

Go base Energy.........any poinst in Energy is a waste in Xpac!

Don't forget about good ol' Rhyme grim shield. He will be MFing, ya know.

[killerxbabe]

Whitstans/Wizzy/Viper the gear of Gods..............well....it works awesomely


Yeah!!! What Stinger said. I upgraded a Visc last season and I think it had 65% block. Upped Mosers with and ELD and Pdiamond gives only 3% less than whistans and gets you 44 all resists. Of course as a Luna that means 100 strength, I think the defense on mine went to 363 on the upgrade. Gerkes is heavy but same block, nice resists, good magic absorb and only 23 more strength than TGods (for those crazy enough to try and tele Worldstone).

All in all Whistans is great Pdiamoned, Upped visceraunt=whistans but with +1 skills and upped Elded/Pdiamoned mosers is (for most situations) the best defensive shield unless you wanna carry a really nice gerkes. In which case Gerkes=Upped pdiamond/elded mosers but with Magic damage reduction for those pesky vipers.

[Nerf-Herder]

for NM magic find, wiz + whits = AWESOME

max block and resists baby! -- the rest of your gear canbe dedicated to life and//or magic find

SCREW max warmth -- max teleport instead -- the first time you teleport into a group of manaburners will be your last

i swear -- any HC MF sorc without max telelport either uses maphack or clears areas leading up to their desired target

and BTW -- WELCOME TO HARDCORE!!

[Bowser!]

Whitstans/Wizzy/Viper the gear of Gods..............well....it works awesomely

I think upped Viscreataunt will cost you like 40-50 more dex, I recall this being brought up before but dont hold me to those numbers.

Charms make the HC sorc.....life, more life and more life, slap in a MF charm or two and a couple mana charms.

IMO Warmth sucks but that is your choice, I would rather put points into teleport before warmth.

Go base Energy.........any poinst in Energy is a waste in Xpac!


care to give me those itams and charms? Im 'did' say i just 'started' hardcore(ladder of course)...basically what im asking is if i should go with more block(whits) or more resists(pledge)...what im hearing is whits and then switch to viscerataunt when i can afford to upgrade it. and teleport it is...by the way if anyone would care to give me a wiz spike for real :lol: ...my accnt is *Jade-Syndicate on USEast...yu can hit me up if yu just wanna play or something too...im kinda lookin for a few HC buddies or something along those lines.

[NEURO_CKY]

for NM magic find, wiz + whits = AWESOME

max block and resists baby! -- the rest of your gear canbe dedicated to life and//or magic find

SCREW max warmth -- max teleport instead -- the first time you teleport into a group of manaburners will be your last

i swear -- any HC MF sorc without max telelport either uses maphack or clears areas leading up to their desired target

and BTW -- WELCOME TO HARDCORE!!


kk...im confused with this one.. i have a 88 meteorb mf sorc and i have my teleport skill at base (prolly like 8 or so with + skills). im struggling to figure out why taking such a damage decrease for maxing teleport is a such a necessity for ANY mf sorc build, as this posts suggests. maybe im missing something......but it just doesnt make sense to me.... :howdy:

edit: i also forgot to add that i, of course, do not use mh or any other hacks for that matter and still manage to teleport with reckless abandon to my destination rather safely with a base lvl teleport...again any info i have failed to understand would certainly help my current lvl of confusion!! :scratch:

[stevethatsmyname]

i swear -- any HC MF sorc without max telelport either uses maphack or clears areas leading up to their desired target



There are these things called mana potions that you can now buy...

I always keep 2 rows of them on my belt
1 row of juvs and healing pots
GG

[Nerf-Herder]

ive had bad luck with manaburners and teleport in 1.10 -- just simply way too many close calls for my tastes and even a character death (only lev 28, but still a tele death) -- i even made a max block, max teleport, blizzard sorc on SC with untwinked crap gear so i could test the build and tele as wrecklessly as possible through some of the most feared areas in hell

even with crap resists, she does just fine -- i have now made this build on HC (tho on HC i was able to get some good equip for her) and i gotta say that max teleport is absolutely incredible -- mana burn isnt a problem at all and i can teleport perpetually since it doesnt drain my mana

i doubt ill ever make a MF sorc again who doesnt have max (or very high)teleport -- the 1.10 manaburn is vicious

[killerxbabe]

My meteorb has level 1 teleport and I DON'T use MH. Mana burn does suck but with my 120 some odd fast cast it's usualy not a prob. If i get burned i just juv and go. Then again I don't tele hell baal or anything past act3 hell. Just don't see the point. I pretty much clear ws2, 3 and throne level anyway for the exp though. If with maxed tele I'm sure i'd run into trouble if I teled worldstone. If too many monsters are on the screen i don't quite lag but bogdown enough that I can get caught so I'd rather have the extra damageover the maxed teleport. Then again I really like dual tree. Sux having to say "Cold immunes plz help!". :lol:

Next sorc however will probably be single tree maxed tele and telekenisis though since I haven't tried it, but with no energy shield and high defense, block, shiver armor and the fact that I'm always drinking mana from my first 2 belt slots as I tele it's just almost never a problem. Thank god you can buy mana pots now though.

[original_shorti]

hey im new to HC by a few days and i came up on a few awesome shields...problem is i'm not sure which one i should use on my sorc...my choices are as follows:

whistans guard
ancients pledge(ral ort tal) in a large shield
and viscerataunt

i plan to do a bunch of NM MF runs including baal, the chaos sanc, and of course mephisto...oh and my sorc will be blizzard and this is how i would lay it out:

20 blizzard
20 ice blast
10 cm
1-10 warm
20 tk
1 es
1 teleport
1 shiver armor
and whatever else i can into synergies and static

any input will be appreciated....cheers :drink:

wheres the 20 ice bolt and glacial spike? btw. whats "20 tk"? telekinesis?

use stormshield ;D i love my 75% block!



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ThirdDeadSorc

[Liessa Wyrmbane]

My MF/Enchant sorc uses upgraded Visceraunt with pdiamond. It is the only shield with +skill and good block (72%!).

[sahlakh]

Every sork I've made in 1.10 have used a SS, not regretting at all. You can do OK without, but it's the shield for a sork.

Non-aggressive sork is not fun :P

[Edeas_Knight]

i swear -- any HC MF sorc without max telelport either uses maphack or clears areas leading up to their desired target

i don't have max teleport and I don't use mh or clear anything while im running. i do drink blues constantly though...

[remcodr]

I tele mephi//andi and wk2 t/m throne without max tele and with a lev 14 bo from cta....... When you hit manaburners: keep tele down and pop purples, dont forget that fhr ;p. If you dont get out you can always try s and e but that never happened to me ;/.
I have around 12**//11** life mana without bo