Hell Baal runs with Wind Druid

[Homeless]

Hi,

I have a lvl85 windy currently doing hell baal runs... I was wondering how u guys' wind druids do in 8-players baal runs... I feel like my tornados dont do anything beyond scratching the monsters there... Am i missing sth or is this the way it is supposed to be?

I have

max tornado
max hurricane
max oak
max cyclone
twister on its way being maxed
1 grizzly

[det]

Sounds good.

I don't think you are supposed to be killing easily in 8 player games in hell.

Might be different if you are one of the Enigma, Shako, HotO etc etc...wielding super rich guys

[Forcefeedback]

Am i missing sth or is this the way it is supposed to be?

Well my wind druid (running mausoleum) is having the same problems, not enough +skills(due to mf gear) result a not-so-effective tornado at /players8.
I can think of a few solutions at the moment
a) get more +skills gear, skill charms play and important role in this
b) set the game to /players 3 or lower
c) try casting tornados from a distance to the monsters, my windy seems to "cast" tornados that show up on the screen but don't do any damage because a monster managed to whack me while I was casting it(not sure about this one, could be that my aim is just that bad :D)

[Homeless]

Thx for the input guys...


I am not a super rich guy... I never had a Hoto ot enigma or Botd but i dont complain much about it...


My gear is as following:

Jalals
Viper
Wizzy
Whistans
Nightsmoke
ALdurs Boots
TO Gloves
Life charms
+2 elemental skills amu


With this setup i break the FCR point so i spam tornados quite fast...

I have +5 from gear so my tornado is at lvl25 doing around 2000-2200 dmg... I think it still is a good dmg considering my spam of tornados... Yet, i have a real hard time in killing... Of course this may be due to the feeling of comparative deprivation where i see hammerdins killing pack of lister in no seconds in the same game i am...:P Maybe it is them thats cheap not me weak..^^

[Forcefeedback]

Your equipment isn't bad at all its just that the wind druids people always talk about have 10 skill charms and up to 11 skills on gear. :grrr:

Yes lister pack won't be that easy for a wind druid, 50% cold resistance, 50% physical resistance and over 22K hit points on a normal minion of destruction. :lol:

[frodopayne]

my wind druid has no problem running 8 player hell baal
i do around 6-7k torndao damage

[frodopayne]

thats withot skill charms i willl be doing 9-10k with 10 of those :)
i own hammerdins sometimes on they have to stand still to cast and it takes a few seconds for them to make a hammer field so i spam tornados and it pretty much ends there :lol:

[Rauth]

Uh...9-10k is not possible for tornados legitly. Either you are lying, or you are playing sp/open.


Lister and gang will be hard for a windy even if you have godly gear. I Can solo 8 player baal, but it takes a good 30-60 seconds or so to finish the last wave(bear+merc=tanked). Your best bet, is to get a reapers toll merc. It increases your killing speed amazingly.

[StewieGriff_XLT]

Wow, i didnt think that you could do 10k tornado damage either :scratch:

[Rauthgar2]

psh 10k dmg is nothign to cyclone armor/oak sage

[frodopayne]

my gear adds plus 11 to all skills wich puts me at a 31 all skills except oak sage. if u add another 11 to druid skills charms it puts me at 42 to all skills. this gives me a wopping 5224 elemental absorb from cyclone a huge 10k-11k tornado damge and a 4.5-4.7k hurricane damge. im sorrey i have 11 to all skils charms i just found one alittle while ago so just for the correction above as i said i had 10. i can solo 8 player hell baal runs in a matter of minutes. there is no part of the game where i have trouble at. wind druids can be extremly powerful if skills are reached into the 40's even the low 30's you can own almost anything. just for those who are wandering what damge and absorb ext. would do at maxed at level 50 heres the damage you would be doing 15k-16k tornado damage absorbing 7.2k elemental damage and having a 6.6k-6.8k hurrican cold damage. :flip:

[Rauth]

Dude, I don't know what you're smokin, but quit it. I can tell you without a doubt that you are wrong. I have a fully synergized lvl 42 tornado and it isn't anywhere near 10k.

Don't post incorrect information on purpose. It's just stupid.

[Rauthgar2]

Ya you stupid stupidy stupider

[frodopayne]

check d2items.com synergy calculater

[dkay]

check d2items.com synergy calculater

lol is that where you got that from?
you obviously have no clue what your talking about because with my windy set up (which is outputting the greatest dmg for nado) i got about 6.5k and tahts with skill shrine.
3 nado helm
3 hoto
2 enigma
10 ele skillers
1 anny
1 lidless
20 nado
3 elemental ammy
2 sojs
1 arach mesh
= 46 nados and i get a little over 6000 area... you shouldnt spam wind druid stuff if u dont even have one yourself -___________-;;

[Rauth]

Either the calc is flawed or you input information wrong.
Go make a windy yourself and you will see :)

[Dane4]

Thx for the input guys...


I am not a super rich guy... I never had a Hoto ot enigma or Botd but i dont complain much about it...


My gear is as following:

Jalals
Viper
Wizzy
Whistans
Nightsmoke
ALdurs Boots
TO Gloves
Life charms
+2 elemental skills amu


With this setup i break the FCR point so i spam tornados quite fast...

I have +5 from gear so my tornado is at lvl25 doing around 2000-2200 dmg... I think it still is a good dmg considering my spam of tornados... Yet, i have a real hard time in killing... Of course this may be due to the feeling of comparative deprivation where i see hammerdins killing pack of lister in no seconds in the same game i am...:P Maybe it is them thats cheap not me weak..^^Well equiping an act 2 merc with a Reapers Toll(sp?) would be a big help. The 33% chance to cast decrepify effectively boosts your physical damage, and removes PI from almost every monster except a few random bosses. I found several on ladder so they probably aren't hard to come by. That merc made me almost unstoppable (pvm) with similar gear to yours.

[SynthetiCyclone]

Earthshfter would have more skills with +7 than +4 from hoto and lidless?

[skygoneblue]

You would also lose cast rate, resistances, blocking ability, mana, stat points, etc.

[Homeless]

You would also lose cast rate, resistances, blocking ability, mana, stat points, etc.


thats actually another dilemma i have... fcr vs +skills.... Which one do you value more guys?

[Forcefeedback]

Of course it depends on how many frames slower and how many more skills...
I think that I wouldn't under any circumstances get more +skills if it means your total fcr will be under 50%. Then again, when you think that only 20% fcr is needed to reach the next frame it might be hard to decide, maybe try both setups for a while and see which you like more.

[NamNam25]

I just started wind druid, i hav earthshifter but can't use it yet. i'm currently using earthshaker, with helm + 2 elemental, ammy +2, aldurs armour, lidless for cast rate, n my tornado hasn't maxed its synergies yet. so with level 29 tornado i do nearly 3k. does it really get to 10k at level 40? cause ill have earthshifter which is another 3. so lvl 32. i guess it can do up to 10 k since there's 3 synergies and they all increase tornado by 9%. 9% * 3 = 18% so 18% each level increase is pretty high. 18% * 10 levels so 180% more damage when you do about 3k. so that's about 8k. hrm. close enough i guess

[Dimoak]

Get a merc with reapers toll..even with a 5.9k nado I wasn't killing things like blood lords and frenzytaurs very fast, because they have high physical resist.

[Rauth]

BLood lords are bastards. Even with decrep it takes a while to make them go down in 8 player games. Stupid phys resist.


I'm only going to say this one more time. Tornados can NOT get 10k damage legitly. Even if you went all out for tornado damage, you wouldn't even get close. PLUS SKILLS DO NOT SYNERGIZE. Except in rare cases, like the druid summon tree, and some others I can't remember.

@namnam You are doing the synergies wrong. I have a lvl 40 fully synergized tornado and it does around 5.8-6k

[theBlackKnight]

I had 10 ele skillers, enigma, shako, maras, soj+bk, aulders boots, arachnids, trangs gloves, hoto, lidless, and annhilus, and I was scratching 6k nado, I could have improved my gear with a +3 ele ammy and a + 3/+3 nado/hurricane delerium, but that would only be maybe a 500 increase in damage to sacrifice life, dr, mf, and resists, so yes, the max possible is like 6.5k, tops

[death]

NamNam, the way that he was calculating the nado dmg to be 10k was by using the calculator wrong. He put the information into the calculator as a lvl 40 base tornado with a lvl 40 base hurricane. He had 0 plus to skills to reach that dmg. Had he put it in as a lvl 20 base with 20 plus to skills then he would have only had 6k tornado dmg. Big difference, same appearance in game.

[det]

Is it just me or are those Harlots the worst enemies in Worlstone Keep. Those missilses they shoot hurt badly. Having a Reapers Toll on my merc, but only the choice between Ironpelt and Griz, I really feel the Ironpelt is the better choice for the MDR and DR.

The Reapers is the key for me. Trying to solo hell Baal without it took ages and 10 full rejuvs as well as two merc revives. Now i just did it with a newly aquired Reapers and it was a walk in the park :clap:

[Forcefeedback]

So how about that 10K nado? :D j/k

Anyway, in case every wind druid on bnet can't get a reaper's toll, equipment with slows target on the merc will also help with lister & co and baal. Kelpie snare is a cheap option with 75% slows target(which is the same speed as decrepified IIRC). There might be others but can't remember any of them

[Rauth]

I have personally found enough reapers tolls to equip every windy on bnet. You can get them for a few pgems, or for free. If you play sp, hell meph runs will get you one in no time(relatively).

Harlots=succubus thingys? Boss frenzytaurs seem the worst for me. You get the right mods on them(and a few packs in one spot), and they will kill everyone in the run. Amped, multi-aura, extra strong/fast is going to hurt :(

[det]

That could very well be. Maybe i was only lucky so far. Few dolls spawn, few Moonlords and very few Gloams and Oblivion mages. I seem to remember that every Baal run in NM was packed with mages..now I mostly get Flayers, defilers, Overseers, Sukkubi and Balrogs...not that I am complaining :D

Things will change for the worse soon, i am sure

[Jedi]

lvl 41 tornado fully synergized
through
10 skillcharms and the usual setup of avg good dressed player
damage:
5254-5529 tornado
2382-2497 hurricane

lvl 46
6150-6457 torn
2750-2865 hurri


and yes it gets worser for u now det :P

[det]

I'll try and keep track of you guys doing GAT-Baals. Unfortunately the party was full yesterday. I will be really safe with you guys...the druid ladder is really tempting me now. Wasn't even on it last week when KTA finished, now somewhere around 150. Nothing compared to you guys here, I bet...but, hey, it's the first time for me me on any ladder :)

[kiniko]

Either the calc is flawed or you input information wrong.
Go make a windy yourself and you will see :)

the problem is he input slvl 42 for all his skills, which is incorrect. that gives the synergy bonus as though the skill base was at 42. correctly input with 20 base and +11 all skills and +11 elemental skills, tornado is 5433 - 5715

[Chubbadubz]

My merc always seems to die. Even outfitted with gear, i just stop payin attention to the lil bastard. :cheesy:

I have read every post in this thread and i am currently building a wind druid so you have all helped me alot.
I may not be rich but i do know how to mf and trade.

I have;
enigma
HOTO
CTA
Skako
marrowwalks (tryin to get bugged)
arachnids
soj (workin on bk)
maras
and one elemental charm

with only a lvl 9 druid i have a lot ofwork ahead of me but this thread has helped me more than any other i have read.
Hopefully soon i will be asking you all for a duel or baal run :buddies:

oh and WTF IS NADO?????

[det]

I may not be rich ....

I have;
enigma
HOTO
CTA
Skako
marrowwalks (tryin to get bugged)
arachnids
soj (workin on bk)
maras
and one elemental charm

oh and WTF IS NADO?????

Hahahahaha :lol: this is cracking me up...you are NOT rich? Hoot of the day :lol:

nado = torNADO

[Arith-Matic]

My merc always seems to die. Even outfitted with gear, i just stop payin attention to the lil bastard. :cheesy:

I have read every post in this thread and i am currently building a wind druid so you have all helped me alot.
I may not be rich but i do know how to mf and trade.

I have;
enigma
HOTO
CTA
Skako
marrowwalks (tryin to get bugged)
arachnids
soj (workin on bk)
maras
and one elemental charm

with only a lvl 9 druid i have a lot ofwork ahead of me but this thread has helped me more than any other i have read.
Hopefully soon i will be asking you all for a duel or baal run :buddies:

oh and WTF IS NADO?????


yeah....i'd say that you've got better equipment than a lot of players including myself...especially the enigma and hoto.

Nado = tornado

i do pretty decently with my windy - I can solo hell baal on players 3 fairly safely. Including my merc, I also use a grizzley (lvl 7-8 w/ plus skills i think?) and he is an awesome meat sheild...i jus recast him in front of every monster pack and then the merc comes in, slows everything down with his HF aura and gets to work on the monsters...

[Rauth]

marrowwalks (tryin to get bugged)

What the hell...

[Chubbadubz]

Hahahahaha :lol: this is cracking me up...you are NOT rich? Hoot of the day :lol:

nado = torNADO

I do not consider myself to be rich because i have not spent a dime on items.
I mf for items worth trading for runes or the items i need.

I rush mass people for their forge

and i have make my own enigma, hoto, and i also have a *5 to BO CTA made that three days ago.

one last thing.....i found eth homoculous last night and was wondering if it would be worth more if i left it clean for trade or zod'd it

[det]

I think a Necro doesn't get hit that much, so it probably won't lose durability at all. ZOD seems like a huge waste to me....

[Rauth]

Please don't waste a zod in a homun...please...

Not even in nl would it be EVER worth it. In fact, throw/give it away right now unless you want to use it yourself for some strange reason. It is worthless. Sorry if that sounds a little harsh, but I'm just trying to help. :)

Btw, being rich has nothing to do with how you aquired your items. I havn't even spent a NICKEL on my items, and I have 10x that. Does that make me not rich? There are people with 10x what I have that haven't spent actual money on them. Does that make them not rich? When you say someone is rich in a game, you aren't talking about real life money.

[diu]

I just tried that calculator and it shows that u need a fully synergized level 66 tornado to do 10k

[Chubbadubz]

66 i do believe its safe to say that we can call that mission impossible.