49 Zerker barb part 2.. Matt's turn!

[Matt]

Yeah, so Sip and I are both making these... here is my planned gear:
Arreats face
Tele ammy... hopefully with 2nd mods
2x Ravenfrosts
Shaftstop (backup armor, 4x Thul gothic plate vs cold sorcs)

Lance gaurd... other option is an AToD, if i can get one... I personally agree with Sip, lance gaurd is Cheaper and better. I would probably NOT eld mine, I have an ed//IAS jewel I would slap in it. I figure with dex from IK, 2x Ravens, thats ~60 right there... Sip did the calculation, its really not too hard to hit max block, any life lost getting max block (investing dex>vit) I hope to counter with PDR% on the shaft.

Passion, eth highland blade
Gore riders
IK belt//gloves
10x Sharp grands
bottom row full of vitas or fines.

According to Elpatron:
"here we go, i messed up on the info on BP i listed above, but this is correct

ias/frames per attack/attacks per second

0 % ...13 ...1.9
4 % ...12.5 ...2
6 % ...12 ...2
11 % ...11.5 ...2.1
19 % ...11 ...2.2
23 % ...10.5 ...2.3
39 % ...9.5 ...2.6
63 % ...9 ...2.7
72 % ...8.5 ...2.9
105 % ...8 ...3.1
152 % ...7.5 ...3.3"

So, I will top out at 9FPA using IK combo's 25% ias, 25% on the passion highland blade, and 15% from the ias//ed jewel in the shield.

My other option would be to go with half a frame slower, but 15 max over the half frame and 16% ed... i think the speed+ed>max.

So.. questions:
1. AToD or Lance gaurd?
2. is my IAS right?
3. I have a POSSIBLE other sword... its lvl 48 tusk sword, 20% IAS, 208 max dmg as it is (Maybe up it to a Balrog?) 254% ed, and max//ar based on char level... and that 208 1hand is on a level 1 barb mule, I think passion wins out because it hits 9 FPA MUCH easier (another jewel req'd with the tusk sword) and the HoW charges will make up the damage anyways... Thoughts?

4. What jewel for my shield?


Thanks.

-Matt

[ZounceHC]

Here is how much OFF weapon ias you will need to hit the various BPS (not including the 25% on your weapon). Just emphasising it as we all know how important it is to know exact figures with this stf.

IAS Frames per attack Attacks per second
0 % ... 11.5 ... 2.1
6 % ... 11 ... 2.2
14 % ... 10.5 ... 2.3
19 % ... 10 ... 2.5
38 % ... 9.5 ... 2.6
39 % ... 9 ... 2.7
72 % ... 8.5 ... 2.9
80 % ... 8 ... 3.1

So the 25% from IK + 15% from the jewel in your shield will put you at 9fpa.

In regards to your questions:
1. I would go Lance Guard, deadly is very yummy.

2. I'm not sure if your Ias includes the WIas but the figures don't quite match up so you may want to get a second opinion. I am fairly confident though.

3. I would stick with the highland blade. If you upped the tusk sword you would be looking at around level 59 req. If you really wanted to go 53 it would be better to go for a passion BB but then you'd be dueling Eth Kingslayer Barbs (you may be doing this anyway i'm not sure about your recklessness in duels :) )

Hope this helps and Good luck

[Sip]

1.You'll need something like ~180 Dex to get max block with a Not elded lance guard. I still fancy it over atod since i dont have one.
2. Try to get 40% ias outside of the Highland blade
3. If you upgrade that sword to a balrog blade...I believe it will be at least level 59. It certainly wont be level 53 req. Dont forget, the higher the level...the more dex you need for max block. If you go to level 53 and still use lance guard...you'll probably need 200+ dex to get max block as long as its not elded.
4. Eld jewel. I suggest ias arreats, 15+ max shaft and elded lance gaurd.


Dont forget...PDR doesnt help against other Berserkers (like me kekeke)

other than that...yeah it looks good.

[Matt]

the ole eld jewel? :uhhuh:

Hmmm... how much dex would I save with an eld... because i question whether it is worth the loss of 16% ed and 15 max (i would put 15 max in arreats, and ed/ias in lance gaurd, Though, I could always ed//ias the arreats and eld the lance gaurd... hmm

[stevethatsmyname]

ed/ias the arreats, because then it will still have trade value...

I dont see anyone trying to buy ed/ias lance guard's :P

ANd about the speed Breakpoints: YOu have right there the ATTACK breakpoints. That is, if you use 'attack' skill instead of 'berserk'.

Berserk is SLOWER! And the breakpoints are different!

Zounce's ones seem to be right.... although slightly different from the ones I got from the german calculator. (German one didnt give me any 1/2 frames for berserk)

EDIT: wait... nevermind, zounce's one is different from the german calc... mostly in the fact that zounce's is 1 frame faster. I get:
0% ias 12 frame
14 ........11
38.........10
80..........9

[ZounceHC]

Yeah, I forgot to put Bezerk in, my bad. Was using that german calc too :)

[Matt]

so what ARE the IAS breakpoints for berserk... assuming this ias: 15 from a jewel, 25% IK combo, 25% IAS on passion... how much will i have, and what will the "adjacent" breakpoints be (the one below and above it... in case i add or drop a bit of ias)

Oh, and his gear is almost all done.. i have a full invintory of awesome charms... very nice jewels (15 max's and the ed/ias) and all the gear except a shaftstop, which will be fast.. now to level to 49 and get ~nm rushed...
Thanks!

-Matt

[ZounceHC]

0% ias 12 frame
14 ........11
38.........10
80..........9

10 Characters

[stevethatsmyname]

Just bear in mind that those breakpoints are for OUTSIDE ias. With 40% OIAS, you will end up with 10 frame attack, which is a good compromise between damage and speed.

[HR-Tecira]

Just as an FYI mixing ed and max in helms, armor, and weapons does not work like 1.09. If you have both ed and max in a non weapon the ed will only effect minimum damage. I did test this with shields also and had the same results as my earlier 1.1 armor test.

For the test I took 2 peltas. In one I put an 8 max jewel. In the other I put a 20% ed and 8 max jewel. Both gave equal increases to max damage and the ed one increased min damage also. So an ed/max mix is effectively the same as using a mix of min and max jewels.

[stevethatsmyname]

have you done any testing with ed/min?

[RlNDl]

I've read something somewere about the ED/min doing the opposite, affecting the max dmg.
On the othe hand I read a lot and not everything is the truth. I have not tested this.

[stevethatsmyname]

i have done a little testing, and here is the results.

Damage with 30ED jewel: 193-832
damage with 30ED/3min jewel (no other changes to equip): 214-832.

The jewel is in a helm.
Thus min dmg doesnt seem to be bugged.

[LuckyDwarf]

In my opinion a Lionheart dusk would be better than a Shaft on a zerker, or maybe twitch.. With twitch you would say points in dex, get more fhr and ias. With Lionheart you'd get tons of stats, life, and a small ed bonus to boot. I tend to believe Shaftstop is over rated on certain characters. Pis is correct though, it won't save you vs. zerk, so I suggest something else. Or just test all of em. :)

Lucky

[HR-Tecira]

A lot depends on what he is fighting. It wont help vs a zerker but it will help vs a ww barb, fury wolf, upgraded ribcracker bear, charger, or other physical damage builds. You could even build it to use either shaft or one of the other armors based on what you are fighting.

Could have a merc to switch armors with as needed based on the match up.

[ZounceHC]

mmm .... You're right Lucky, some people think shaft is god on any character. I'm not sure what the mid level dueling scene is like on east where Matt and Sip play but on west there isn't many mid lvl chargers who are the main reason for using shaft imo.

From my experience with bvb I almost always choose life over DR. High level you're using SS so you're pretty much covered but even in .09 I never went for 75%. If you have juves you have a lot of time to juv if they WW you. I basically never saw WW as enough of a threat to make having Max dr viable. Against Zons it was different because they could hit you heaps before you ever got to hit them. Of course bowazons have faded away and the new threat are fully synergised chargers. If I was fighting a charger then yeah i'd like to be using a shaft but as I said are there really enough mid chargers out there to make it viable??

If you're quick with the juves which i'm sure you are, I would go with Lionheart. There's the possibilty of having a Shaft as back up BUT the main reason for using lionheart is to make use of all the stats which isn't going to happen if you intend to be able to use shaft.

So if you're mainly BvB then Lionheart but if you think you'll be up against a lot of chargers then I guess Shaft is the better option. BUT by the look of your charms you're going to be dealing out some good damage so most Pally's should be dead before they get the second charge in. Also considering your high damage build a Jewelers of Life with 120ed would put your damage up a lot. Those armors are level 47 iirc. The good thing about this idea is that you can switch between the Damage/Life armor and shaft without effecting your stats.

[Matt]

Hmmm... IF i used the lionheart, it would seem a little silly to let those 25 strength points go to waste, which i would basically do if i opted to have enough Str to equip the highland blade even without the lionheart... Lets see...
25 IK belt
20 ik gloves
20 Arreats... thats 65... so 175 total working from the 110 needed for IK gloves (I'll get my str to 110 before these items are factored in) So I would be at 150... and 11 st (i cant check right now, but i belive an eth highland blade is 161 str req) short... maybe put some kind of str jewel in the shaftstop... or a Fal rune... but then I lose the socket... Hmm... I think i'll probably go with the Lionheart... it has HUGE stats, 50 life, 20% ED, all very nice... those stats will net me a LOT of extra life... and the 50 life itself is nice... so basically, I think i end up with... 50 life bonus+25 str= 100 life+20 vit=80 life=230-60 on shaft=170 extra life before BO than the shaft... 170 w/ BO= almost 400 with BO... so 400 additional life will help make up the lack of DR, not to mention of course, the other extra mods on it.

I lean towards lionheart for its "best of all worlds" kind of feature... it has some ED, which is something like a damage armor, a LOT of stats/life which is like the shaftstop, and 30% resist all... which helps vs casters... its basically got all i want in an armor packaged into one. Good call Lucky.. I think I'll probably go for the lionheart.

-Matt

[LuckyDwarf]

I would keep a Shaft in the stash if you really need it. Like Beth and Zounce said, a high damage character might bring you down quickly, but that's what juvs are for. Fast and accurate juving, in my experience, is very important.

Lucky

[Matt]

So... Lionheart most of the time, with enough Str to use things without it, and a shaft in my stash?

[Frostburns]

While we're on this subject, do you think this ammy would be good for this build?

+2 warcries
all resists 12 :thumbsup:
poison length reduced by 25%
10% damage taken goes to mana :clap:
25 charges of level 2 teleport :winner:

Level 48 required :worship:

[LuckyDwarf]

So... Lionheart most of the time, with enough Str to use things without it, and a shaft in my stash?

I'd say that's probably a smart idea. Or Fal the Shaftstop, but that's wasting a socket, like you said. That's 40 life though. I would just use Lionheart full time, but I don't want to send you down the wrong path.

Lucky

[Matt]

yeah... thats nice frost... PM me about it... I could use those 12 resists and dmg to mana (the WC's wont help.. I'll either have a seperate barb, or a +3 wc ammy to prebuff it)

So yeah.. pm me about a possible trade if you would...

-Matt

[stevethatsmyname]

if those were +1 barb skillz or +2 combat it would be godly :)

[stevethatsmyname]

I'd say that's probably a smart idea. Or Fal the Shaftstop, but that's wasting a socket, like you said. That's 40 life though. I would just use Lionheart full time, but I don't want to send you down the wrong path.

Lucky
Just so we're on the same page.... you picked fal over perfect amethyst because.... its secksier?

[Matt]

haha.... good call steve :lol: I think I'll forget about the shaftstop... I should have enough of a life buffer to avoid a 1 hit ko from most anything my level (very nice charms. prebuffing BO and all) and I lose a lot of life if i dont build around the 25 str on the lionheart... thats 100 life before bo, 200+ after, which is quite a difference.

-Matt

[stevethatsmyname]

watch out for level 56+ druids. Senji has disdain for them, but i know firsthand that they can and will HURT!

they can do around 6k max dmg with 15% deadly strike, not a good thing if you have no PDR. if they hit you with a low roll then high roll you are toast with no shaft.

[stevethatsmyname]

i have done a little testing, and here is the results.

Damage with 30ED jewel: 193-832
damage with 30ED/3min jewel (no other changes to equip): 214-832.

The jewel is in a helm.
Thus min dmg doesnt seem to be bugged.

I did more ed/min testing with a wep w/ higher damage and turns out it IS bugged. Only the +3 min dmg jewel affected minimum damage, while the ED jewel affected max dmg.

So dont use ed/min dmg jewels either...

i wonder how it works with ed/max/min... the ED doesnt do anything? :P

[Liessa Wyrmbane]

I did more ed/min testing with a wep w/ higher damage and turns out it IS bugged. Only the +3 min dmg jewel affected minimum damage, while the ED jewel affected max dmg.

So dont use ed/min dmg jewels either...

i wonder how it works with ed/max/min... the ED doesnt do anything? :P
ed/max = ed enhances only min
ed/min = ed enhances only max
ed/max/min = ed enhances nothing

[Frostburns]

Actually I think I'll make one of these myself with that ammy.